Sunday, September 17, 2017

Yam Seng

MM Online - PAS: Alcohol consumption not ‘Eastern culture’ (extracts):

KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 16 ― Islamist party PAS today insisted that an annual craft beer festival here should be called off, arguing that the consumption of alcohol is not an “Eastern culture”.

PAS information chief Nasrudin Hassan stressed that the Better Beer Festival 2017 that was scheduled for early next month should be cancelled immediately, claiming that it would be a detrimental event.

“Furthermore, the consumption of alcohol is not an Eastern culture and is also prohibited in religion,” the Temerloh MP said in a statement today.

He did not elaborate however on how consuming alcohol was not an eastern culture, but went on to say that Islam had firm teachings about the consumption of alcohol and cited the Muslims’ revered Prophet Muhammad as saying that alcohol was the “mother of all evils”.

A few days ago I believe I had written:

Buddhists are like Muslims in that by belief they do not drink, except for one major difference with Muslims.

Buddhist are only advised not to drink, and not ordered not to. They won't be punished if they drink but are advised that it's not good for a number of reasons, like control of commonsense, awareness of what is right or wrong etc.

This has to do with the 5th of the Buddhist 5 precepts, namely, Pancasila.

'Panca' in Sanskrit means 'five' (5) as in:

(i) 'Punjab' (perhaps spelling was in English) which means 'Land of the 5 rivers' or,

(ii) 'Pancawarna' - 'multicolour' or 'technicolour'

(iii) 'Pancaindera' - 'five senses'

(iv) 'Pancaragam' - 'orchestra' (initially of 5 instruments)?

pancaragam angkatan tentera 

Indonesia adopts the title of the Buddhist '5 precepts' or Pancasila (only the title but with different content) as its national ideology.

Years ago when I was in Indonesia, I found that many of my Indonesian colleagues didn't know this when I apprised them of the origin of the word Pancasila.

They were quite offended until a national ideology instructor (yes, Indons had such officers like some communist countries) supported my revelations.

Still, I could see them rather reluctant to accept that their nation (or founding fathers) did not created (invented) the title of their national ideology Pancasila, wakakaka. And by the by, our Rukun-Negara was based on the Indon's (not Buddhist) Pancasila.

Back to Buddhism - the precepts are (as explained by Wikipedia) are only general rules '... intended to regulate behaviour or thought.'

'Undertaking the five precepts is part of both lay Buddhist initiation and regular lay Buddhist devotional practices.'

'They are not formulated as imperatives, but as training rules that lay people undertake voluntarily to facilitate practice.'

That explains my brief comments 'Buddhist are only advised not to drink, and not ordered not to. They won't be punished if they drink ...'

That has been what I've distinguished between Buddhists and Muslims in regards to partaking of alcohol. The 5th precept of the Buddhist Pancasila is"

Surāmerayamajjapamādaṭṭhānā veramaṇī sikkhāpadaṃ samādiyāmi

which means 'I undertake the precept to refrain from intoxicating drinks and drugs which lead to carelessness.'

I am not sure whether Nasrudin Hassan Tantawi - and let's not forget Tantawi, his Egyptian last name (wakakaka) - read my comments and decided to bullshit that alcohol consumption is not an Eastern culture.

Since time immemorial, Chinese, Mongolians, Japanese, Koreans and Vietnamese have drank and drank and drank, wakakaka. 

In fact, in those Easterners' culture, males not drinking would be teased at best or scorned in the worst case scenario.

They made (and still do) offerings of alcohol (wine, samsu etc) to their gods.

So what tok-kok is Nasrudin Hassan yapping about?

I would strongly suggest Tantawi (wakakaka) do not f**king intrude into non-Muslim events or culture.



  1. KT

    it's pointless arguing with god, no one comes out on top and you will probably end up tearing your hair out, it is more productive googling the benefits of moderate beer drinking and you'll be surprised who first brewed the long cool dane

    yam seng

  2. I am thinking that the Better Beer Festival 2017 should be allowed, but it is to be held at Genting Highlands.

    We have allowed a casino, heck, let them drink and do whatever sin they want up there. What difference does it make?

    Let them booze and get high. Who knows some may fall or drive off the cliff. Just blame it on altitude sickness.


  3. i cant say alcohol drinking is part of our (chinese) culture, historically chinese do drink, read the ancient writes n poem if want to know more. but i think the habit and occasion is at vast difference with others, especially the west. that's y u see many western countries require law as restraint, u rarely see this kind of law being made in most eastern country.

    1. ancient Chinese enjoyed drinking (not boozing) as a delightful pleasure and even composed poems on the actions, as did Li Bai.

  4. sahih international;
    'And [We sent] messengers about whom We have related [their stories] to you before and messengers about whom We have not related to you. And Allah spoke to Moses with [direct] speech'. (AQ 4.164)

    'And We have already sent messengers before you. Among them are those [whose stories] We have related to you, and among them are those [whose stories] We have not related to you. And it was not for any messenger to bring a sign [or verse] except by permission of Allah. So when the command of Allah comes, it will be concluded in truth, and the falsifiers will thereupon lose [all]'. (AQ 40.78)

    could buddha, confucius & laozi amongst the prophets not related to the seal of the prophet s.a.w.???

    1. probably buddha in some practices such as to refrain from drinking

  5. Narudin and his buddy (and yours)....wakakaka..

    On a more serious note, 2600 years ago, the Buddha taught that alcohol is a poison that clouds the inherent clarity of the mind.
    Abhisanda Sutta: Rewards translated from the Pali .

    There is no ban on alcohol in Buddhism. It just says, refrain from being intoxicated. There is a long tradition in Buddhism allowing lay people to drink in moderation.

    However, the reality is that, for most people, some level of intoxication is the very purpose of drinking alcohol.

    Otherwise there is no point in the expense of the beer or spirits in the first place. Soft drinks and juices actually taste better and you can very well socialise with any drink.

  6. Many people,including Muslims believe that an "or kow" with a raw egg will add endurance and stamina during sex.To many sex crazies and horndogs,this is a daily routine.Wakakaka.