Saturday, May 26, 2018

Abortion, Coitus Interruptus & 'The Secret Burying Alive of Infants'

Sun Daily - Ireland tipped to repeal abortion ban by a landslide (extracts):

DUBLIN: Ireland voted overwhelmingly to liberalise some of the strictest abortion laws in Europe on Friday, according to exit polls in a historic referendum in the traditionally Catholic country.

The vote to repeal a constitutional ban on terminations except in cases where the mother's life is in danger was predicted to win by a two-thirds majority.

An Irish Times poll of 4,000 said the "Yes" camp was leading by 68% to 32%. Another poll by national broadcaster RTE suggested an even bigger victory, with 69% to 30% backing reforms.

The Irish Times survey suggested that women voted by 70% in favour of the proposal and 30% against. Support among men was 65% pro-choice and 35% anti-abortion.

"Thank you to everyone who voted today. Democracy in action. It's looking like we will make history tomorrow," Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, who backs the reform, said in a tweet.

People over 65, however, voted mostly against change.

Among the youngest voters, 18-24-year-olds, the poll found 87% had voted to allow abortion, according to the poll.

Nearly 3.5 million voters were asked whether they wanted to overturn the ban after an emotional and divisive campaign.

Ireland (Eire) is a staunch Catholic nation so the polls will be rather telling on the opinions of today's Catholics.

Historically the major problem for Catholics was not so much abortion per se as it was to use condoms while having sex. Once the Catholic Church prohibited the use of condom and advocated only the rhythmic method, which was to plan sexual activities only when the female was not ovulating.

But in late 2010, the previous Pope, Pope Benedict XVI who resigned as Pope in February 2013 due to age and health, made a historic monumental decision to permit use of condoms.

The Telegraph reported:

After decades of fierce opposition to the use of all contraception, the Pontiff has ended the Church’s absolute ban on the use of condoms.

He said it was acceptable to use a prophylactic when the sole intention was to “reduce the risk of infection” from Aids.

While he restated the Catholic Church’s staunch objections to contraception because it believes that it interferes with the creation of life, he argued that using a condom to preserve life and avoid death could be a responsible act – even outside marriage.

Now, the Irish are taking the matter one further step, that of legalising abortions.

Obviously they aren't waiting for His Holiness Papa to say that abortion is OK with the Church when they know it's not - using condom is one thing whilst performing abortion is another.

But very few Catholics nowadays wait for the Vatican City to okay issues of such nature. It is now an Irish referendum on its national law on abortion.

Buddhists are also okay with use of condoms though religiously, the teachings frown on any taking of life, which to the Buddhists, begins at conception, thus does not support abortion. Buddhism does not prohibit its followers, just advises, as there is no compulsion in the religion.

As using a condom does not enable the conception of life, that's okay.

Mind, there are many many many Buddhists who don't bother about Buddhist teachings, wakakaka, but I wonder why they call themselves Buddhists.

As with most religions, there are always exceptions to abortion, especially when not having an abortion may result in the birth of a child with medical conditions that cause it to suffer, or with obvious danger to the heath of the mother.

I understand Islam unlike Buddhism considers a fetus only having life after 4 months, though its many Schools of Jurisprudence have different views on the matter.

But also unlike Buddhism, Islam's attitude towards abortion is based on Hadith rather than on its Holy Book, al Quran.

As for the use of condoms, this is what one Islamic website says:

Praise be to Allaah.

It is permissible to engage in coitus interruptus if a person does not want a child, and it is also permissible to use a condom, but that is subject to the condition that the wife gives her permission for that, because she has the right to full enjoyment and also to have a child. The evidence for that is the hadeeth of Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: We used to engage in coitus interruptus at the time of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). News of that reached the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he did not forbid us to do that. Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 250; Muslim, 160

Although that is permitted, it is nevertheless makrooh and intensely disliked. Muslim (1442) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about coitus interruptus and he said: “That is the secret burying alive of infants.” This indicates that it is strongly disliked.

Al-Nawawi said:

Coitus interruptus means intercourse in which, when ejaculation approaches, the man withdraws and ejaculates outside the vagina. It is makrooh in our view in all circumstances and with all women, whether the woman consents to that or not, because it is a means of preventing offspring. Hence in the hadeeth it is called “the secret burying alive of children,” because it cuts off the means of producing offspring, like killing a newborn by burying him or her alive. With regard to it being haraam, our companions said that it was not forbidden…

These ahaadeeth and others, when taken in conjunction, may be understood as meaning that it is makrooh, but not strongly so, and the reports in which permission is given for that may be understood as meaning that it is not haraam; they do not mean that it is not makrooh.

It is better for the Muslim not to do that, unless there is a need for it, such as if the woman is sick and cannot cope with a pregnancy or it would be too difficult for her or would cause her harm. Also, coitus interruptus cancels out one of the purposes of marriage, which is to have a lot of children, and it also means that the woman’s pleasure is incomplete.

While not haram (forbidden), it is makrooh (intensely disliked) because it involves 'The secret burying alive of infants'.

Latest: Exit polls in Ireland says:


  1. Replies
    1. Your illusionism vs realism gives me Monsterball fatigue. Take a break and get real bro..

    2. KT only tells half of the tale le!

      The other half has to be put in veil either bcoz of no teloq to continue or out of conflict of his new/old belief.

      What a revelation………


    3. Plus his kukuciao is only 3" long. Till date, he never dare to meet pauline hanson

  2. Gweilo countries (Read: whitemen) have growing population that identifies themselves as atheist, and even more as non-practising Christians. So the anti-abortionist religion slant doesn't hold sway on their voters anymore. In other words, their people has Ubah'ed their religions now. To counter this decline, the Church is a Crusade to holified those infidel savages from the Middle East, Africa, South America, Asia and especially ASEAN.

  3. Suddenly Kaytee goes blank on what to write about local politics and picked up on a story in sooo faraway Ireland (Eire). Why the facination? Bacause this story is interlaced with coitus interruptus.

    Typical UMNO indoctrinated headed thinking.

    If it is not about race then it is about religion.

    If it is not about projects then it is about Sex.

    They are all living on another planet with their own different priorities.


  4. Agree with KT. Islam allows the preventing of pregnancy, but if pregnancy is established, then Islam does not allow abortion.

    1. Keep your fucking islam to yourself. By the way, explain to me....surabaya bombing halal or no halal in the eyes of allah

    2. The two kids were crying & they were reluctant to go with the parents on that suicide mission.

      What did zombieism says about that!

      Mati syahid or a f**kuped doctrine?

  5. The west is slowly dying out from a shrinking reproduction rate and abortions help further reduce reproduction, and could end up being taken over by civilisations with a higher reproduction rate.

    The Soviet Union allowed abortions and Russia continues with that legacy, though it's speculated that Putin could move to ban abortion.

    If it comes to war, it's a no brainer which side will win.

    1. All future Armageddon wars will be fought with state of the art AI tech, not foot soldiers la.

  6. The result of the referendum could have been different if the millions of helpless aborted lives had been allowed to vote.

  7. Most religions recognize human life begins at conception but nobody bothers to ask them what they feel about abortion?

  8. KT's a born buddhist, converted to a deluded muslim, then currently a reluctant atheist!

    Wakakakaka… the core figure of a novel (real life/fiction !) tracing his continued saga from AI, Penang to now Oz.

    1. Cheebye Kaytee was born buddhist.......His mother should gave bith to char siew than cheebye kaytee hah