Tuesday, January 09, 2018

Mahathir: Pakatan Messiah or Public Mafulat?

In more than 13 years of blogging I've never agreed with relevant views of Nathaniel Tan's articles ('relevant' as to my 'interests'), chiefly because he was PKR and I supported DAP, wakakaka - like cheese and chalk, oil and water, etc.

I teased Nat as a denizen of an Ivory Tower 

Though I believe we haven't reach a point when we barked viciously at each other, but yes, we might have used written words that smacked of sarcasm, verbal leg pulling and perhaps occasionally verbal jabbing in the side, wakakaka again.

In Nathaniel Tan's article today in Malaysiakini titled 
Mahathir: Approve or disapprove? I must admit I agree with an extract of what he wrote because I reckon he has been absolutely correct on that section - he wrote (relevant extracts only):

... my estimation is that a large number of people who strongly disapprove of Mahathir have in some way personally been a victim of oppression under his government.

There are those who were hunted down during Ops Lalang, along with their families and supporters; and there are those who were in institutions that Mahathir went to great lengths to cripple, such as the judiciary and the Malay rulers.

I strongly believe that such individuals have a full right to their opinion; even if that opinion is that Mahathir belongs in jail, not in the PM’s office.

Whether or not we support Mahathir becoming PM again, it is really not our place to ask people to set aside or disregard what they suffered.

I do not feel either that we should use arguments like: If Anwar Ibrahim’s family has forgiven him, why can’t you?

In many ways, what Anwar or say Lim Kit Siang suffered is separate from what others felt under Mahathir’s oppression, and no one has the right to "forgive" Mahathir on anyone else’s behalf.

In that same vein of course, I believe it is not anyone’s place to disapprove of anyone who does decide to "forgive" Mahathir.

Ultimately, this is a personal decision and I believe everyone deserves space to make that decision on their own, and for that decision to be respected as is.

We can accept or criticise Pakatan vis-a-vis its nomination of Mahathir as its PM-designate, but we cannot or rather, should not, demand people stop demanding Mahathir must apologise sincerely and specifically for his past 'wrongs' or to stop people from accepting Mahathir's 'insincere' apology.

Nurul Izzah has accepted Mahathir's apology but Dr Kua Kia Soong has not, wakakaka.

I have come across very vicious vile venomous comments on the Net excoriating people like Dr Kua Kia Soong for dragging his old Ops Lalang sufferings and grudge into the fray, and spoiling an otherwise happy occasion when Mahathir has just become Pakatan's PM-designate.

They demanded that we should move forward and thus forgive and forget Mahathir's sins though not those of Najib's, wakakaka.

Most recently, Sangeet Kaur Deo has also been peppered with similar vitriolic comments.

One comment on Sangeet stated she does not deserve to be the daughter of the late Karpal Singh and that her late father would have disagreed with and even disciplined her. Wakakaka, what kok-tok! I could have easily responded with my conviction that Karpal Singh would have been very proud of her, and who is to say I'm wrong?

Sangeet has been consistent in her concerns over the DAP allying itself with what to her is an unacceptable and horrendously unrepentant foe, Mahathir. Last year Malaysiakini reported on her perception (extracts):

A Penang DAP delegate who caught flak for raising dissatisfaction over the party's alliance with former premier Dr Mahathir Mohamad at the annual general assembly has quit.

Taman Chai Leng DAP publicity secretary Shamser Singh Thind said he is resigning as he believes DAP is no longer a platform to fight against "corruption, racism and hypocrisy", after making amends with Mahathir.

"I have said and I am saying it again. Dr Mahathir is not interested in saving Malaysia. He has never admitted that his past actions and omissions were wrong," Shamser said in his resignation letter.

This comes as the late DAP chairperson Karpal Singh's daughter urges the party to ensure the principles of those it aligns itself to.

Speaking at the DAP national convention at Shah Alam today, Sangeet Kaur Deo said principles should not be sacrificed for political expediency.

“I want to clarify at this stage that it was interesting to see Tun Mahathir in support of Maria’s release when it was him that was instrumental in the cruel enforcement of the Internal Security Act,” the USJ Subang Jaya brance delegate said.

“Now I strongly urge the leaders of DAP to be very mindful when we choose our allies. Yes, there are no permanent friends, there are no permanent enemies, but there must be permanent principles.

"And when we choose our allies, we must be sure that their principles are genuinely in line with ours,” The Malay Mail Online reported her as saying.

DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng had in his policy speech noted that there are no permanent foes in politics.

Indeed, but as Sangeet said, while there are no permanent friends nor permanent enemies, there must be permanent principles.

Incidentally, Malaysiakini has also reported that:

Karpal's three sons in DAP, Puchong MP Gobind Singh Deo, Bukit Gelugor MP Ramkarpal Singh and Datuk Keramat assemblyperson Jagdeep Singh Deo have not commented on their sister's remarks.

Let us review a 3-year old piece of news, reported on April 2015 by the now-defunct TMI. The article was titled Working with Dr M to remove PM will be a ‘disaster’, Pakatan told.

In that report we read Ramkarpal's opinion on working with Mahathir (extracts):

“The question of working with Dr Mahathir is an unimaginable disaster waiting to happen."

“There can be no doubt that Malaysia needs to be saved. While I agree that Najib ought to go, I cannot agree with the means by which Dr Mahathir proposes to do so,” Ramkarpal said in a statement here.

“Asserting pressure on a democratically elected prime minister to step down cannot be democratic and it is high time that Pakatan Rakyat come together at this very critical time against Umno and the Barisan Nasional (BN),” the DAP MP added.

Ramkarpal said that working with Dr Mahathir would mean that PR would just be maintaining the status quo and allow “corruption to continue”.

“I am firmly of the view that saving Malaysia can only mean a new clean, accountable and transparent government."

“Pakatan Rakyat must live up to its promise to Malaysians of being that alternative and democratically oust Najib and the BN through the ballot box,” Ramkarpal stressed.

There wasn't any doubt about Ramkarpal's extremely poor opinion of Mahathir, but alas, LKS as the boss of DAP pressed on heedlessly. It's little wonder Karpal's three sons have stopped the futile exercise of criticising LKS's personally bulldozed agenda.

Pity Karpal Singh is no longer around to put a restraining hand on his old mate but now a power-crazed LKS.


  1. An interesting background to the matter of Sangeet & her brothers. However, I believe that circumstances change on a continuous basis. It has become very clear that to overthrow BN, Dr. M is the only key to do so. PKR, then, PAN, both were unable to penetrate the solid vote bank of UMNO. Dr. M has been able to do so and have proven it BEFORE being allowed into PH.

    In a battle as in a war, the situation on the ground change continuously and only Generals able to adapt quickly to changing circumstances will win the battle and the war.

    Now, that the battle plans have been set by the Generals. All lower ranked personnel must come together to execute the plans without dissent. Generals & lower ranked officials have been known to execute dissent to maintain discipline in the ranks. This is a deadly game for keeps. The next major battle may be too late for the rakyat.

  2. Yes, there must be permanent principles such as speaking up against abuse of power, freedom of the press, independence of the judiciary, and sanctity of our institutions.

    The blogger here has been completely silent on the abuses carried out by the CURRENT Prime Minisiter. It appears principles are time and individual based.

    1. And Mahathir is the very epitome, symbol and KNOWN perpetrator of abuse of power, OPPRESSOR of the freedom of the press, NOTORIOUS destroyer of independence of the judiciary, and MUTILATOR sanctity of our institutions, and you support him. Podah you're either blind as a bat or a HYPOCRITE

    2. That's why many are puking at his hypocrisy....

      'Perfidious' would more accurately described this audacious blogger :

      deceitful and untrustworthy.
      "a perfidious lover"
      synonyms: treacherous, duplicitous, deceitful, disloyal, faithless, unfaithful, traitorous, treasonous, false, untrue, double-dealing, dishonest, two-faced, Janus-faced, untrustworthy

    3. Wakakaka......what you said is truth, but so is Monsterball.

      You only retort with diversion, diversion..... every time. With no 'real reply' you can't blame others to perceive you as having double standard! Or being in the army of MO1's cyber troop!

      What you have been doing is being seen like "crying over spilled milk" What's the point? Will you help our next generation? Of cause you wouldn't 'careless' because you are enjoying your life in Oz, Malaysia doesn't mean anything to you!

    4. While embracing Pol Pot, you condemn Hitler
      While embracing Mahathir, you condemn Mugabe

      wakakaka - looks like that make you the hypocrite

    5. the above was for JJ.

      Peter, Monsterball and you have already made up your mind to embrace Mahathir so what I say or blog about him, you will ignore

    6. Fine, alright then...we persist in calling each other hypocrite, wakakakka

      But get this straight...like remie in the above post put it so well, the Generals have set out the battle plans and this is a deadly game for keeps....if we bungle this, it might be too late. We know very clearly the reasons why Harapan leaders are bringing in Dr M on board to lead the charge....for close to a decade, Anwar and Azmin have not been able to make headway into the rural Malay voters and it is insanity to do the same thing over and over again and expect different result.

      "While embracing Mahathir, you condemn Mugabe"...wakakaka..
      As usual, you are so blinkered single-track-minded...and always shooting off with showoff words but lacking in substance. In what manner do I 'embrace' Dr M? Can you show in what ways do I endorse or write glowing praise of the old man ? I have at the onset said very clearly...seeing the dire situation we are now in, we have to Fight Fire with Fire. If you like, getting a thief to catch a thief. So when Harapan strategized such a plan, we the voter supporters get it that this GE is a watershed and we have this one last opportunity to do it differently and hope for the best. No more dithering, no more fighting for petty vested interest. Dr M is the only man who has some resonance with the rural folks and those incumbent power greatly feared him, as evidenced by the all the knives pointing at him, attacking without any mercy almost on a daily basis.

      So I conclude with this...the hypocrite is you, you, and only you, wakakakaka.

    7. What a flowery big words le...

      'While embracing Pol Pot, you condemn Hitler

      While embracing Mahathir, you condemn Mugabe'

      Ouiiii... main2 dengan half logic ke?

      The flaw of these statements lie in ideology, time & location!

      If one is commenting about larger picture of human atrocities, then a credit is due.

      But if one is to scale bolihland sopo governance for comparison then these two statements have shown vast internal conflicts & hypocrisy!

      Pol Pot? Hitler?

      One communist, the other nazist. Both had done indescribable human atrocities based on opposing sopo ideas & different time/localities.

      Mahathir? Mugabe?

      Both dictatorial with the later a known/proven kleptomaniac.

      The BETTER pair would be 'Najib vis-a-vis Mugabe' le.

      That would be a much much closer analogy, wifies included!

      But, as usual, pinklips' name is sacred to you whenever kleptomaniac, judiciary manipulation, cronyism & authority crockery r been mentioned.

      Thus, who's embracing who, while condemn who - u have a BIG picture but can't/won't say lah.

      Such reserve. Such hypocrisy!

      For what!!!

  3. Wakakakaka... these chips-of-not-the-old-block, either act blur &/or don't know what the f**k they were talking about.

    Their father WOULD be ashamed of them le!

    The basic principle of DAP was/is M'sian M'sia. Do remember that - period!

    So, how to achieve that?

    The very first move is to exterminate that bigoted hegamnoic umno - remember that again!

    At this juncture of bolihland political development, joining force with mamak IS the best opportunity just to do that.

    If these wet-in-the-ear bleeding hearts youngsters CAN'T understand that idea, then the fruits r indeed falling too far apart from the tree!

    Whatsoever farts they r chanting about rebuilding M'sia can't be done if umno is not terminated.

    Deep down their subconscious minds they know it. & yet out from the mouth only trashes r been screamed about!

    What r they doing!!!

    Desecration the good name/legacy of one Karpal Singh??

  4. Mahathir is a false Pakatan Messiah. Full Stop.

    PAS, established in 1951, is and will still be relevant, even with zero Chinese support.

    It remains 'suci' in the eyes of the Malays, especially to the conservative Muslims. Many progressive Malays are indeed conservative Muslims.

    Start of quote. (Extracts).
    In reality, conservatism is a globally accepted political philosophy.

    But using PAS' potential GE14 defeat to suggest that conservatism has no place in modern Malaysia would be another mistake. I believe conservatism, especially Islamic conservatism, will remain an important feature of Malaysian society.

    The survey revealed that the majority of young Malaysians are religiously and socially conservative, and they also believe that some form of political authoritarianism is justifiable to uphold conservative values. Support for religious laws and code of conduct is also very high.

    Almost 70 per cent want the Quran to replace the Federal Constitution as the supreme law of the country; 98 per cent of the respondents object to conversion out of Islam; 92 per cent said they agree to caning for Muslims who drink alcohol, which is a sinful act according to Islam; 71 per cent say convicted thieves should face amputation, a key element of syariah law. And nearly 70 per cent believe that women are duty bound to wear the headscarf.

    In any case, there will always be conservative Muslims in Malaysia, and for them, PAS will remain the No. 1 choice, regardless of the party's electoral performance. End of quote.

  5. Wakakakaka....Here lies that BIG dilemma.

    Many progressive Malays are indeed conservative Muslims.

    Isn't it mutually exclusive for progressive to be imbedded within conservative?

    The writer is talking air lah.

    The subsequent quote is the clearest definitive for the zombieic indoctrination of the majority of the blur-sotongs.

    Enough said!

    Weep kau2 lah, while the chanting of tak akan Melayu hiking didunia been replaced by Pak unta's imported trash!

  6. Idealism...the unrealistic belief in or pursuit of perfection.... kt, you are such a hopeless romantic...

    1. ...in pursuit of perfection ? our "dearest" Ktemoc ? wa ka ka ka

      So whatever that's tainted like 1MDB, or the Felda land theft via Indon crony or BNM paying 2 Billion buying government land, or 42 million theft of SRC...and more, let's just get a giant white blanco and wipe it off our consciousness...and hey presto, things suddenly become hunky dory...in another words, perfection.

  7. Judging by the ferocity and relentless attacks on Mahathir, I would say, yes, he is considered a real threat to the ruling regime.