Thursday, July 12, 2018

Never Ending Malaysian Story

MM Online - Despite Indira ruling, unilateral child conversions still alive in Malaysia (extracts):

KUALA LUMPUR, July 12 ― In January this year, the Federal Court delivered a landmark ruling overturning the unilateral conversion of Hindu mother M. Indira Gandhi’s three children into Islam, igniting hope in many who faced the same predicament.

About three months later, the hope was rekindled after Pakatan Harapan’s (PH) victory in the 14th general election.

But the reality on the ground is more sobering.

Yet another non-Muslim parent takes up a fight in court today to nullify the conversion of his two children into Islam, which was done without his consent under allegedly dubious circumstances.

Shah Alam-based ethnic Chinese businessman Tan, 46, (not real name), decided to amicably split with his wife of nine years in late 2015 after two to three years of a tumultuous relationship.

The couple has two children ― a daughter who was then eight years old and a son aged four.

“She wanted to divorce for a very shocking reason. She got her calling from Allah to be a Muslim,” said the Terengganu-born Buddhist, who sometimes lapsed into the East Coast accent when speaking in Malay.

“I asked her out of curiosity: ‘Would it be any different if I were to convert as well? Would we stay married?’ She said ‘no’ So it was not about religion,” Tan told Malay Mail, explaining that he had custody of their children initially.

The planned divorce quickly turned sour. Tan said his estranged wife started adding more and more terms into their divorce settlement, such as allowing the children to be converted into Islam.

Tan disagreed, and it was around this point that he said she became more callous in her attempt to gain custody.

Malay Mail sighted a copy of the police report lodged by Tan’s wife dated February 2016, when she alleged that Tan’s maid had molested the son since she was no longer home.

Her allegation was refuted by the Social Welfare Office Shah Alam in a letter dated a month later. It then discharged the son back to Tan.

In a separate police report lodged by Tan and a subsequent medical report sighted by Malay Maildated December 2016, he complained that his wife had physically attacked him repeatedly with a fork when he was fetching the children for his turn at custody.

She pleaded guilty over the assault in the Petaling Jaya Magistrates’ Court yesterday and was fined RM1,000 under Section 352A of the Penal Code that handles criminal force by a spouse.

Kids converted outside registrar’s jurisdiction

Tan finally filed a divorce petition in the Shah Alam High Court in May 2016. By this time, she was a Muslim for almost half a year

In April this year, the court granted sole guardianship, custody, care and control to the ex-wife, but scant explanation was given for the decision. The case is currently pending an appeal in the Court of Appeal.

But it was only when she filed her affidavit for the divorce that Tan found out his two children had been converted into Islam by the Federal Territories Registrar of Muslim Converts without his agreement.

The unfortunate scene is that some unscrupulous non-Muslim parents have been exploiting the religion of Islam to 'snooker' (put the other party behind the 8th ball - to disadvantage) the other parents.

In Malaysia, by converting to Islam (and I suspect, minus their sincere spiritual conversion), they gain an upper hand in the custody of the children, often with the court NOT explaining why the converted Muslim parent should be the custodian.

Whatever courts were involved, whether civil or syariah, the Federal Court's landmark ruling against unilateral conversion must be adhered to, or the subordinate courts and the naughty parent have to face the judicial penalty of contempt of the Federal Court.


  1. The problem is people expect elected politicians to solve religious issues like child marriages and unilateral conversions. Elected politicians, especially Muslim ones, are bound by religion not to question Islamic teachings. If we want these religious changes we need to petition the Council of Rulers, who are the protectors of the faith, and the all powerful State Muftis and Sharia courts to make these changes. Parliament can enact whatever laws they like and the Courts can make whatever rulings but there will be no change.


    Yes, Parliament 14 set to convene next week. But one huge event will take place before that, on Sunday. No not the World Cup final but the Manny Paquio vs Mathesse fight in KL.

    Even Philippine President Du30 will come to watch and is scheduled to meet TDM (I will meet anyone) after.

    Come on Gobind, LIVE TELECAST PLEASE!!

  3. "…the hope was rekindled after Pakatan Harapan’s (PH) victory in the 14th general election.

    But the reality on the ground is more sobering."

    U r starting to act - everything goes - just like yr sifu, the infamous mom!

    The case started in 2015 & the shocking child conversion happened sometimes in 2016.

    In January this year (2018), the Federal Court delivered a landmark ruling overturning the unilateral conversion of Hindu mother M. Indira Gandhi’s three children into Islam, igniting hope in many who faced the same predicament.

    So, under whose care this snookering happened even when there is a preceding high court ruling against unilateral child conversion to Islam?

    The PH govt ONLY takes over the administration in mid May 2018.

    Less than 100 days old, already so many urgent past rots r been discovered & in the processes of weaving out.

    Islamic affairs r one that have been seriously been put under microscope & yet, due to the wide spread of the zombieism, the corrective road is indeed least travelled & treacherous.

    & yet u r pulling pot shots on Islamic issues every which way u find.

    Black heart indeed!

    U just want to see the country burns when yr ahjibgor has been kicked out & is facing multiple criminal charges!

    1. Yup July 12, and Chicken Little daily says the Sky Is Falling.

      I have to be fair to Ktemoc, he wasn't previously silent on Indira's case, haha.

    2. Monster, so what if cheebye motherfucker kaytee been yelling at his top of voice.

      Nameless, ball-less, faceless. No use one. Ask kaytee to go on nude protest in front of hadi awang...

      Kaytee says,"nah! My 3" dick"

      Got guts or not? Else anything and everything is talk cock sing song lanpa song

    3. so keen to be my son that you keep accusing me of fCking your mum, tsk tsk

    4. I thought you are so brave kaytee! Be a man, show him your dick la

  4. Never ending stories of child conversions or religious conversions by individuals or religious institutions closing one eye so long as they are converted. And most of these cases usually involve conversion to Islam.

    There's no solution unless the Courts enforce strictly the provisions of the Constitution that a child needs consent of both parents for conversion unless it is a single parent family.

    The question which most Moslem Judges needs to keep in mind are "Which Laws are higher? The Constitution or Religious Laws."

    The only solution out of this is that any child below the age of 18 should not be converted until they have reached the age of 18 except for single parent custodian.

    Now, why aren't there cases of other religions being brought to civil courts?

    Is it because of the fear of parents that only the Abrahamic religions does not allow Murtad (renunciation) once converted to the faith and hence has to live with it for the rest of their lives? Then what about those born into it which is not of their choosings? or

    Is it because of the injustices done to one other party (parent) once converted to the Abrahamic faith with the connivance of the bigoted religious authorities?

    Don't the Abrahamic GOD or Gods see the injustices done all in his name by their bigoted clerics, priests or preachers or devout followers?

    It will surely end up as War or Peace among all the followers of the Abrahamic religions vs the Non-Abrahamic religions.

    Times have not changed since the coming of the Abrahamic religions thousands of years since and when their believers still are bigoted supremacists believers.

    1. Not even single parent man! Either do away with muslim syariah law. Or put restriction that no conversion is allowed till the child reaches maturity....

      But then i am more concerned what the hell kaytee going to do himsslf. We should allow this cheebye motherfuckee kaytee cucuking us to do dirty works for him and najib.

      It should be the other way round. This guy needs little spanking

    2. so keen to be my son that you keep accusing me of fCking your mum, tsk tsk

    3. I have proof that you are the bastard son of Najib Razak

    4. whatever lah, BUT you are definitely NOT my bastard son because I did NOT fCk your mother