It's nothing more than sheer bloody mindedness of a political kind at the expense of the grieving next-of-kin (NOK) of the unfortunate people missing together with the MAS aircraft.
There's cause and a reason for the decision to bring the issue to an end, painful as it may be, because not to do so would have involved far more sufferings for the NOK.
Incidentally before I carry on, in my primary school days Reverend So & So (wakakaka) warned us kids during bible class of the perils of masturbating which he said would turn us blind. Well, he must be right because those who wanked themselves silly in their political hated-happiness (or happy-hatred, a new oxymoron, wakakaka) for the misfortune of those on the 'other' side of the political fence are or have become blind as bats, wakakaka.
Politicization of the MH370 saga happens when the 'other' side (or your side) tries to score political points especially on a tragedy (which would be better done later, say in Parliament) even if the politicization (a) callously and insensitively add on to the grief of the families of the missing people on board MH370, (b) irresponsibly blacken Malaysia's name further, and (c) other than to criticize, does not contribute anything positive to help resolve or mitigate the sorrow, loss and ameliorate the associated morale of those involved, the grieving NOK and the many hundreds of searchers, administrators and helpers.
Indeed what have Anwar Ibrahim and his allies contributed in terms of constructive proposals other than his boast of purchasing a super-duper radar when he was DPM, a radar which performance has been shown not to match his boastful claims - claims which would have nurtured further suspicions and anger in the already suspicious and angry eyes of the NOK?
Zilch man, zilch! That's how much he has contributed to solving/helping in the MH370 tragedy. And his supporters have been no better.
Spiro Agnew, a former VP of the USA, who was forced to resign from his VP position because he failed to report to the Tax Office earnings amounting to around $30,000 and also on accusations of accepting bribery of $100,000 while he was the Governor of Maryland, was actually a moderate in matters of race and had helped repeal the state's anti-miscegenation laws (prohibiting mixed race marriages or mixed race cohabitation). He also passed strict anti-pollution laws, and was one of the very few American leaders who dared to criticize the Israelis and Jews and call for the US to withdraw its support for Israel.
Now you may wonder why I've brought Spiro Agnew into this post? While his record has been undoubtedly tainted (but at least he had a few credits to his name unlike someone, wakakaka) I love one of his more colourful quotes, one rich with alliterations wakakaka, and which I feel would apply most appropriately to some Pakatan leaders and supporters today, especially in their shameful and unconscionable behaviour in politicizing the MH370 tragedy, even and especially when the issue had been burning hot with the NOK's anger, grief and helpless hopelessness.
Their regrettable politicization has been like dousing the flaming issue with barrels of high grade aviation fuel.
In a speech in 1970 in San Diego, Agnew said: "In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism."
Yes, I observe too that in Malaysia today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism, mind you, not only from Pakatan but alas recently, mostly from Pakatan.
The decision by PM Najib to bring the MH370 search to a close was not done casually, lightly or precipitously, much as the opposition might have insinuated, but only after advice from the British Air Accident Investigation Board (AAIB) and deep consultation with a large number of people including several foreign leaders.
In fact PM Tony Abbot of Australia announced that "the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was now moving into a recovery and investigation stage, and said the country was handing investigation back to Malaysia."
Abbot's statement implies the search part is over as the MAS Boeing 777 is now, given reasonable evidence provided by Inmarsat and the British AAIB, considered lost in the southern Indian Ocean together with all its crew and passengers ..... unless of course Anwar Ibrahim is willing to lead a search party to the Antarctic to look for its survivors - after all, isn't he God's gift to the people, as his wife had boasted, thus he should be able to do the impossible.
Now, in above I have explained the cause for the official announcement so let's move on to the reason.
Many may not realize that the announcement in the finality of the loss of the missing MH370 is necessary from a legal and administrative angle as death certificates have to be issued and can now be issued, and thus insurance claims can also be lodged, financial compensation be made, inheritance will of those now declared as 'deceased' read and executed, etc.
Without an official declaration of the status of those missing on MH370 as 'deceased', all the above can't and won't be processed and would only further the sufferings of the NOK.
While we expect the western press to exploit every opportunity to indulge in their favourite sports of bashing Asian governments, entities and cultures, we don't expect fellow Malaysians to do so, especially in such a tragic case like MH370, where our collective first priority now is to help the families of those missing bring matters to a close and hopefully their emotions to also have closure of some sort.
|should we ameliorate or aggravate such grief?|
I can give you various examples of the western press bashing Asians and things Asians but take one American blogger just as an example - he has called on his readers not to fly any Asian airlines - okay, perhaps he wants them to fly Aloha Airlines, American Airlines and again American Airlines, Swiss Air, Air France, and Pan Am & KLM which gave us the WORST air disaster in history, etc etc etc. But then, not unlike some people in our highly toxic political culture, he is blind as a bat to the reality of western air disasters while nursing invincible bias against things Asian or non-Western.
And we shouldn't be surprised if there are some Malaysians who would also advise Malaysians and foreigners not to fly any Asian airlines, particularly Malaysian Airlines System (MAS).
Why not? Well, because I have read the comments of some so-called 'Malaysians' who poured scorn on a TMI news report that the Mum of Chinese national on board MH370 denies she was manhandled just because (a) the real reason - she was complimentary to the Malaysian authorities and (b) the excuse for not believing (a) - the news source had been Bernama, even though Bernama had based that article on her interview with China Central Television (CCTV).
That news report had said:
She even thanked Malaysia and Malaysians for taking care of her daily and refuted allegations that Putrajaya had neglected the passengers’ families.
"I don't believe that is the case. I am sure they are under a lot of pressure. I understand that they are busy searching for the aircraft.
"So, it makes some sense, that they (the government) can't pay as much attention to the families.
Some readers insisted variously that she was coerced, bribed etc into not telling the truth, but alas for them, a couple of readers went on to the Chinese TV station (on the web) and have confirmed it's all genuine.
The sad part of above has been that some so-called 'Malaysians' actually want Malaysia and the Malaysian government to do badly (thus the above compliment from a Chinese national must be fabricated or forced), be embarrassed and/or having problems.
There's a German word for such toxic emotions, to wit, Schadenfreude.
In German, Schadenfreude means 'pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others' or if translated literally into English, 'Harm-Joy', almost alike what I mentioned earlier about Myrmidons having 'Hated-Happiness' or 'Happy-Hatred'.
Yes, those Myrmidons would only feel joy or pleasure when they see their political Malaysian opponent fail or suffer misfortune, EVEN at the expense of the national interests of Malaysia and other Malaysians.
I support the closure of MH370 mystery. I am extremely sad. We have to put this baffling mystery behind us and move on.ReplyDelete
For the record, I have this to say. From day one of this mystery, Inmarsat has been very consistent; that according to the final ‘ping’ transmitted by Flight MH370, it indicated that MH370 had flown and ended its flight somewhere in Indian Ocean. Inmarsat has forwarded this information to Malaysia about two weeks ago.
Quote (From another Blog - Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:32)
“It is hilarious how they are only now looking in that direction and ‘know’ things now after searching the wrong area for a week. Why would they do that if they knew from the start? Why would they send all these ships and use all these resources and money to search in the wrong place when they knew it was the wrong place? Sounds fishy to me. This whole thing stinks and we don’t even know for sure if any one is actually dead even.”
For the right of those who had perished, this question will be on my mind forever: Was there a deliberate misdirection?
Probably explain why those in Beijing are so agitated !Delete
With due respect to the NOK, this rant should rightly come out after 7 days, upon the official demise.
It has nothing to do with been a atheist. It's just pure human courtesy!
I have been on the net to see myself these anti Malaysia sentiemnts, a. Dutch newspaper actually called Malaysia Kampung Nation , Deitsxhe World asked an unknwo specialist who described Malaysian handling of the situation as the most disgusting he has ever seen while many on the. New York Times comment section actually have commentators actively calling for Malaysia to be invaded and freed from the Malays and one wants the world to boycott. Malaysian products...at first it was embarrassing until. I red Daily Mail and conclude that theer possibly too many idiots in the Western world.ReplyDelete
Too many Western idiot with false superior attitude towards the brown asiansDelete
Are these guys collaborating with Anwar ?
I remember very clearly, even if you don't, Hishamuddin denying vehemently that there were any indications of signals originating from the plane hours after contact was lost.
It turns out those signals are ultimately instrumental in establishing the final fate of MH370.
Frankly, the Malaysian government's performance during the whole crisis does not inspire confidence at all.
I'm no Malaysian government Myrmidon (yes, the term isn't copyright to PKR supporters). The truth is the truth even if it appears to "blacken" the Malaysia's name.
The Malaysian government's performance during this crisis deserves deep excoriation. Its not about Anwar Ibrahim.ReplyDelete
You just have blind hatred for Anwar Ibrahim , that's all....
I'm afraid above is a much more level-headed commentary than Ktemoc's blog post.
Ktemoc too frequently gets diverted from clear-thinking by his profound , unrelenting dislike for Anwar Ibrahim.
Not forgetting that Din was an ex diplomat serving under Ghazali Shafie, the permanent secretary of foreign secretary who later become full fledged minister. Ghazali handled AIA case superbly.Delete
Between Din Merican & kaytee, which one is more credible? What about Tok Cik? The one who really fought against commies says that the present Malaysia armed forces SUCKED BIG TIME. That guy is more melayu that HASAN the Kadayan
".... that HASAN the Kadayan"Delete
Do check your information, Looes.
Then what Hasan.......Brunei melayu......the one related to haris salleh? Hahahaha! The one closed to the establishment......hahahahahaDelete
what anwar said wrt radar is a statement of fact.ReplyDelete
a "fact" not supported by the professional ATC officersDelete
Care to quote yr sources?Delete
read the news since Day 1 of tragedyDelete
I am not wanting to nit pick but putting the words national interests vis a vis commenting.....I mean after all there could be some comments that could be thought provocating and not merely and purely critical just for its sakeReplyDelete
No government should blame others for its own failure !ReplyDelete
Since u started it, & with due respect to the NOK, I want to tembak u kau-kau for yr self displayed of ‘unintentional’ Schadenfreude!
‘Indeed what have Anwar Ibrahim and his allies contributed in terms of constructive proposals other than his boast of purchasing a super-duper radar when he was DPM, a radar which performance has been shown not to match his boastful claims - claims which would have nurtured further suspicions and anger in the already suspicious and angry eyes of the NOK?’
Had it not been clarified that;
‘In the CNN interview – ‘In an April 13, 2000, report by local daily the New Straits Times, Italian firm Alenia-Marconi Systems was awarded a contract in 1994 to supply Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) with primary and secondary radars.”
Hello there, secondary radar works only with plane transponder, BUT what about the primary radar in the purchased package?’
Yet, u still want to give it another shoot!
2nd, the Western presses have a lot of bones to pick with M’sia?
Yes, there r. Some r framed edging on very illogical & insensitive, while many r analytical & insightful. (just like some of KT’s)
The BIG Q that KT should ask is WHY – hypothesis, conspiracy, Divine attribution etc etc flying all over.
The simple answer is BCOZ the M’sian authority let it be – herself running like a headless chook. M’sia has herself to blame for having an incompetent management system & leadership.
It used to be just suspicion, NOW it’s clear for the world to see! Thanks MH370!
Human nature is such that in the face of uncertainty, the mind works overtime to fulfill the missing gaps. Exactly like KT’s hit on AI!
Yr ‘patriotic’ shot of the western presses bashing sounds VERY hollow, when u/world-at-large continuously quoting Western sources to back up the stories.
Just imagine what would the headlines in M’sia be, when ONE cant referred to Western source. Perhaps, like this;
‘Why can't they be like well-behaved and respectful Muslims who gratefully accept what the Government tells them ?’
Moreover, without those Western expertise, M’sia could still be searching the Gulf of Thailand for missing MH370! Real Pariah !!!!!!!
3rd, yr questioning of what have PKR did is PURELY illogical.
Hello there, PKR is not the govt of the day. They r doing what they r been elected to do – keeping the govt of the day in check.
Not that they r doing a good job, considering the numbers of toll-gate, they have to circumvent.
U r just writing like yr sifu about WHY the East M’sian MPs cant teaming up with PKR’s to change the constitutional clause of 5% petroleum royalty. Sound very logical, but in practice, how to clear the 1st toll-gate of getting the House’s allowance to table the proposal bill? There r many past examples that the proposed bills DIDN’T even allow to mentioned in the august house!
Finally, like someone said PKR has no monopoly on Myrmidons. In this case, it just so happened that THE OTHER-SIDE’s Myrmidons have nough/zilch to counteract the press on-slaughters in the face of world opinion. Not that they knew they r in the wrong side of logic, it’s also bcoz most of them have ZERO up THERE.
Once again, I’m no Anwarista. I just want the TRUTH & fairness, especially in news disseminating, paper &/or electronic.
If the TRUTH hurts M’sia, so be it – just like this;
‘I'm not a moronic blind-as-bat Myrmidon teeming with hatred and venom for the 'other' side. So, ……. I will say here what needs to be said, as a Malaysian.’
Comprehendi??????? Lesson learned???????
Re your "Moreover, without those Western expertise, M’sia could still be searching the Gulf of Thailand for missing MH370! Real Pariah !!!!!!!"Delete
Really? Wasn't it the RMAF radar that spotted the turn back? Its sin was not to report that TB immediately but nonetheless it was the RMAF radar that detected that deviation from scheduled track.
As for criticismz of teh Malaysian authorites for handling the jib poorly I have no worries about that , but to even condemn PM Najib for putting a finality to the search for the survivors when reasonable evidence and advice as offered by AAB and Inmarsat have been reasonably strong and indicative that they would not have survived would be what I define as 'politicizing' for the sake of unilateral political gains rather than true constructive criticisms.
P/S and in what way have I exhibited Schadenfreude? Was I happy that Anwar has been convicted?Delete
"Was I happy that Anwar has been convicted?"Delete
Behind the keyboard, you were grinning from ear to ear right ?
Your Birthday came early ?
RMAF spotted the ATB, come on its the primary radar that spotted it & kept it in the DB!!Delete
'nonetheless it was the RMAF radar that detected that deviation from scheduled track'
That DB needs capable brains to analyze, after the heightened sense (if there was any) of responsibility kicked in. That would be in the VERY first instant when the crisis happened.
Any of that showing by the RMAF??????? Indecisive & 6&7, like choosing yr bridemaids.
The ATB was only confirmed when the international team (yr hated Western experts) joined in, mind u, under the intense pressure of the international condemnation of poor crisis management!
As far as najib's massage for the closure of the MH370, it was a PR disaster right from the word 'ENDED' in South Indian Ocean.
There r many way to close the legal loop-holes so that all legal proceedings/requirement can be carried out under the circumstances. & yet it was NOT taken!
The M'sia legal system requests material evident before a death certificate is issue. Remember that Penang umno lightening rod case? Dug they did & yet no body, until a full coroner court is set to allow the death certificate to be issued.
Or r u going to say that MH370 doesnt fall under the M'sian judiciary?
If so, then allow an international team to handle the SAR, both coordination & site action lah!!!
Just a blunt, full-forced statement of expecting NO survivors, after allowing the grieving NOK a full 17days of false hope. Bloody hell - sack that PR consultant who has been choreographed all these daily MH370 PCs!
Just that 'ended' statement alone indicated that these morons had had enough - so much so they just wanted to close the chapter quickly so that they can go back to their daily hay-making while the world economy is sun-setting.
That najib's last PC deserved to be condemned by anyone who is touched by this 'avoidable' tragedy!
BTW, by coming out with this piece of shit, I would consider u r exhibited Schadenfreude - except yr joy derived from bashing yr favourite bunching bag at the expense of the grieving NOK. No?
make up your mind, who detected the turn back?Delete
Hahahahaha! Time to tell CL Flamiaris.....Seriously, I am waiting for a celebrity death match between CLF & youDelete
Heck, where is my popcorns?
R u acting dumb or trying to shift yr way out?Delete
The radar is only a mechanical device. Once set & programmed it traces the sky AUTOMATICALLY. If any Ufo is been spotted, it raises an alarm & hopefully human intervention would decide the next cource of action.
Meanwhile, the trace is copied & recorded for future reference.
So who identified the recorded ufo?
Based on the available infos (definitely not the latest LIES by that deputy minister in the parliament), it's NOT RMAF!
U tell me lah, since I'm keep talking in the loop.....sigh...
re your silly squabbling stubbornness on ***So who identified the recorded ufo? Based on the available infos (definitely not the latest LIES by that deputy minister in the parliament), it's NOT RMAF!***, then the bloke who first made the announcement of the run back, Air Chief Rodzali Daud was, according to your "theory" not Rodzali Daud at all ... in which case it might have been the heroic all-knowing Anwar Ibrahim, who as his wife asserted is "God's gift to the people". - see my previous post http://ktemoc.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/a-new-conspiracy-on-mh370.htmlDelete
Read my posts again!Delete
Air Chief Rodzali Daud leaked a suspected hint to BeritaHarian, then did a personal 'ATB' to denied what he leaked.
Then, changed his mind again to say he SUSPECT!
So u r calling him a credible source?
More like a two-headed snake, trying to save his ass!
BTW, the more u brought yr AI rants into yr arguments, the more u r doing what u r trying to blame Anwar - that's politicization of MH370.
U r doing it RIGHT on the dot!!!!!!!
In my post http://ktemoc.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/where-is-mh370-or-where-mh370-is.html this has been what I wrote of Rodzali Daud withdrawing his original (and truthful) statement about the turn back.Delete
Even though some of our Malaysian media reporters are renowned (or notorious) for their 'creativity', wakakaka, there are too far too many details in above statement allegedly (though now denied) by Rodzali Daud for it to be just another of their 'creativity'.
Yes, to an extent I believe in the details of that statement though as I had posted earlier, it's qualified by Rodzali's 'MH370 might have ...'.
Also my inclination to believe in Rodzali's statement has been influenced by the circumstances where nothing has so far been found in the South China Sea as well as DCA director-general Azharuddin Abdul Razak's answer to reporters querying about the necessity of a search of the Malacca Straits: "There are some things that I can tell you and some things that I can't."
And I suspect poor Rodzali Daud has being told off by higher ups for upsetting a number of people including the Vietnamese government with his revelation.
I suspect he was told off for revealing something which his superiors believed needed to be verified. Thus I doubt he was a two-headed snake as your hatred has kindly described him. In fact I would say he was being naively or unpolitically truthful which got him into trouble with his superiors.
wakakakak, your blind defence of AI is to be complimented for your loyalty to him, but it also tells us something of your ability (or lack of) to assess politics in a balanced manner, wakakaka
Didnt I say I'm NO Anwarista?Delete
So yr truth MUST be compromised with political reality as in 'to assess politics in a balanced manner'
Now, who is naive??????
The marginalized people will think differently.ReplyDelete
So many times they never said a thread of good things about us ( UMNO Gomen)
We fought for this country and we have never got any better.
So MH 370 anything to do with me ??
Life will have to go on and the Marginalized people will marginalized further it is in their agenda.
You decide for yourself which Airline you need to take.
Careful with what u said, moron!Delete
The marginalized people, composes of mainly the lower 40% of the Melayu.
So yr life goes on, by sucking them dry? Yes?
keep it cool ,tuanDelete
The marginalization I mentioned was based on Government policies.
Your 40% is based on your assumption as always.
Life goes on - hopeless and helpless and we are used to it.
Maybe the world citizens look differently on Malaysia but not us the marginalized moron.
U need to educate yrself more about the marginalization in M'sia!Delete
The govt policies do marginalise the 40% lowest income Melayu. This is NOT a ASSUMPTION.
Binatang apa tu Schadenfreude ?ReplyDelete
Ini Malaysia tau tak...
The RMAF of your Unc's days are long gone and no more....ReplyDelete
No point clinging to a lost memory.
RMAF's jets fly a few times a year for ceremonial purposes...its radars don't get manned.
RMAF radar DIDN'T "spotted the turn back"...RMAF only realised they had a Bogey from rerunning Radar Tapes after MH370 had gone missing.
"Morning After" is not Detection.
RMAF Escalation process sucks.
anwar's radar detected the turn back?Delete
I only know one fella who do served in the Malaysian armed forces in the 60s said repeatedly that RMAF sucked big timeDelete
Now, I get it!!!!!Delete
U were arguing alone the line of whose primary radar - RMAF'S OR DCA'S.
Brilliant strategy of counter-attack & yet with a VERY big hole!
The hole is the money used to buy the radar - whether it was RMAF or DCA, it was M'sian tax-payers & must be approved by the ministry of finance.
Come again, who was the Indian Chief holding that purse string in that ministry? Was he a blur-sotong paying without knowing what he was buying?
U should be doing better than just a one-liner statement!
As a number of your commentators keep trying to point out to you.Delete
This issue is not about Anwar Ibrahim.
The issue/topic is politicization of the MH370 tragedy, a tragedy, for political gains. Read this http://www.malaysia-today.net/anwarits-always-about-you/Delete
Anon of 8:45 pm, March 26Delete
(a) both bought at same time when Manmanlai was DPM/FM? wakakaka
(b) was his claim that ATC radar could trace MH370 into the Indian Ocean correct or proven (?) when ATC had already said they lost contact with the aircraft, all of which only added to the anger and suspicions of the NOK of missing passengers. How had he helped with those statements? Isn't he just a divisive Malaysian leader for his own political interests? Read this http://www.malaysia-today.net/anwarits-always-about-you/
looes again with his bullshitDelete
I’m almost wanted to scream at u! Such a one-track mind about AI bashing! & still holding up the banner for politicization of MH370.Delete
Hello, re-read my take - radar is a MECHANICAL device. At the end of the day, it's still human analysis/decision to decide the next course of action.
Here as it's with all the undisputed facts, u still wanted to argue about the radar bought by who that detected the ATB! Since u r wakakaka-ing, let me throw u a curve-ball.
If the RMAF primary radar detected the ATB & later identified/confirmed by foreign experts to be MH370 on play-back, THEN what happened to the primary radar in the package that DCA bought & Anwar approved? Cold storage? Kaput? No one knows how to operate? Tidak-apa?
Iff the DCA personnel were alert & 1st class, they would had noticed the ATB on DCA's primary radar! Yet no WORDS about it! A very BIG Q indeed!
Could it be that these people were so dependent on automatic equipment that their job demanded ONLY routine/standard procedure that even a well trained monkey can be hard-wired to performed? This is NO insult to some of the dedicated people there. But admit it, there r many rice-worms there too, sucking/exploiting the system.
Hence an ‘inept’ comment by an experienced aviation pilot - that B777 is so wired that a 3rd world pilot is just a standby command. No problem no problem. When problem arise, how many of them CAN do a Hudson River Plane Landing (US Airways 1549) as manned by 57-year-old Capt. Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger. That’s skill & trained instinct THAT save life.
BTW, this is in no way ANY reference to the captain of MH370. It’s just a demonstration of what true skill is. PERIOD.
WRT the write-up by that ex-convent girl, since I’m not arguing for Anwar, all I CAN say is – a disgrace to the good old training/tradition of many Convent girls that I knew/know. &, BTW, that’s pure politicization for u!
wah, switching your attack on the RMAF to now the DCA/ATC, wakakaka.Delete
You may not realize a couple of points (unless you're deliberately ignoring them, wakakaka), (a) MH370 was already handed over to Vietnamese ATC, with a recorded sign-off by one of the MH370 pilots, thus the monitoring of that flight by KL ATC has lowered or even ceased (meaning those ATC officers were not as vigilant as they would be for a flight within the airspace they control, and (b) modern ATC relies heavily on transponder readings due to the heavier traffic flow thus there would be very little or even no reliance on primary radar echoes.
But regardless of whether those ATC officers were sleeping or not, or whether the ATC primary radar was functioning well, how had Anwar's boast of something he came across in the 1990's (when he was DPM) helped resolve the MH370 situation?
His no-help contribution by itself hasn't been the problem, but the reality is that his no-help statements had inflamed the grievances of the NOK as well as the hungry-as-wolves foreign press against the Search Authorities. Are you telling me Anwar wouldn't be aware of these? If he wasn't then he's not fit to be the alternative PM, if he was, then it's lamentable he was 'politicizing' a tragedy for his own political gains, even at the expense of both the NOK's sufferings and Malaysia's interests.
Secondly, while I admire the skills of Capt. Chesley Sullenberger in landing his aircraft on the Hudson River (and I have no doubt everyone does), how would that be related to the pilots on MH370?Delete
The former suffered double engine failure and thus did what he had to do, most admirably. The latter? We don't even know what had happened though my speculation, based on whatever evidence had been available to me (news reports), is that the plane experienced depressurization at FL350 and knocked everyone out, with the near unconscious pilot (one of them anyway) attempting to turn back, fumbling with the controls in his hypoxic-euphoric state and messing up on his intentions prior to losing complete consciousness. For more, read my thoughts in http://ktemoc.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/where-is-mh370-or-where-mh370-is.html
On the ex Convent girl, of course it's politics, but not politicization as you believed, because it's not about exploiting a tragedy (MH370) for political interests.
And I wonder what you had in mind when you stated she's **a disgrace to the good old training/tradition of many Convent girls that I knew/know**. Aren't you being patronizing to all convent girls, that they should keep their views to themselves? wakakaka
Keep wakakaka-ing, u need it!!!!Delete
1)(a) MH370 was already handed over to Vietnamese ATC, with a recorded sign-off by one of the MH370 pilots, thus the monitoring of that flight by KL ATC has lowered or even ceased (meaning those ATC officers were not as vigilant as they would be for a flight within the airspace they control,
There were clear indications that the ATB was done at that ‘blind spot’ of the hang-over. The Vietnamese ATC didn’t detect MH370 & queried back to Subang ATC about the status of MH370. What did Subang ATC did from then on? Tell me lah!
I find it bad taste & lousy excuse to lay the reason on this – ‘ATC officers were not as vigilant as they would be for a flight within the airspace they control’ – even after Vietnamese ATC’s query!
2)(b) modern ATC relies heavily on transponder readings due to the heavier traffic flow thus there would be very little or even no reliance on primary radar echoes.
This really top the cake – yes, ATC depends heavily on transponder for air traffic monitoring. For normal situation, yes, work with transponder feedback to do yr job.
What happen if the 2ndary radar goes dead/malfunction?
MH370’s case wasn’t normal. So when the transponder was ‘switched off’, the primary responsibility of locating the non-squawking plane, anywhere in the sky, lied with the two inter-acting ATCs.
Vietnamese might not follow it since it never reached their air space, according to their 2ndary radar feedback. & I don’t want to go into their primary radar’s, both civilian & military.
What about the Subang ATC. It had been tracking it since take-off. Couldn’t see it in their 2ndary radar now, then that was it. Did anyone think of searching the sky, under their jurisdiction, using the primary? After all non-squawking is a mystery BUT common in civilian aviation records & it was always been investigated using primary radar!
Anwar’s comment was about DCA had bought a radar package, from Italian firm Alenia-Marconi Systems in 1994, with primary and secondary radars. Anwar COULD be thinking along my line of thought that DCA SHOULD have detected the ATB with that primary radar.
& Anwar's boast was yr consistent word, which I never read from anywhere else!
So still want to twist that the primary radar bought in 1994 COULDN’T help to resolve ‘MH370 situation’?
Again, who WOULD had inflamed the grievances of the NOK as well as the hungry-as-wolves foreign press against the Search Authorities?
By lying? By been incompetent? By covering their asses?
These would be the greatest sin that NOW practically no one believes what MALAYSIA has to say, as reflected in comments all over the world, least China!
this could go on forever because you want to win (for Anwar's sake, wakakaka). I don't propose to continue entertaining your arguments because we'll be going round and round. If you wish you can consider that you have won, wakakakaDelete
I bought up the case of Hudson River Plane Landing (US Airways 1549) is PURELY for illustration;Delete
‘Hence an ‘inept’ comment by an experienced aviation pilot - that B777 is so wired that a 3rd world pilot is just a standby command. No problem no problem. When problem arise, how many of them CAN do a Hudson River Plane Landing (US Airways 1549) as manned by 57-year-old Capt. Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger. That’s skill & trained instinct THAT save life.
BTW, this is in no way ANY reference to the captain of MH370. It’s just a demonstration of what true skill is. PERIOD.’
Do read that again! Don’t let yr anger overwhelm yr lines of thought. Show some professionalism, ok?
I’m not yr 3yr old playmate! Enuff, for crying out loud!!!!!!
WRT the Convent girls, suffice to say that there were/are better species than this ex-one!!!!! As regarding to keeping their views to themselves, how did u know? I know of many who r vocal & don’t called themselves ex-Convent, for respecting that august institution in educating them. Perhaps, u SHOULD advise her not to used that call-sign.
BTW, u r showing yr trace of closet misogynist again by assuming that they WOULD keep their view to themselves?
I'm NOT looking for a win.Delete
I'm game if I'm wrong - & I have had my fair share of win & lost.
I'm ONLY looking for TRUTH & fair dissemination of facts.
Definitely NOT for Anwar, as my takes on him is in NO way comparable with yr chronic egoistic AI-bashing-nitis!
Hahahahahaha! Kaytee has created an alternate universe called bullshit meanwhile this is what his loverboy, Zaid Ibrahim is saying........HahahahahaDelete
Okie, before I give you guys the link......watch this video
Ah so Zaid Ibrahim said that by appointing Madhater as MM, semua beres......Hahahaha
What the cibai fuck you are going to say..........hahahaha.....who can forget that Zaid say this
Wan Azizah win liao,,,,,,,So according to zaid, the sky is falling......hahahaha! What the fuck you are going to say? BS again
Even the China government, one of the more secretive regimes in the world, is pressing Malaysia to be more open with the MH370 situation.
the Chinese government has to , to deflect Chinese public anger on to the Malaysian government - see my post http://ktemoc.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/mh370-shows-chinese-government-as-snag.htmlDelete
Are these negative reports about Malaysia popping up all over the international press the fault of Anwar Ibrahim and PKR Myrmidons as well ?
not all but he has contributed to a few - see http://www.malaysia-today.net/anwarits-always-about-you/Delete
Bung Mokhtar say the Chinese citizens and the Chinese diaspora, including those in Malaysia, as "uncontrollable" and "immature.ReplyDelete
Mokhtar is immature to suggest such bullDelete
These CBMFs never learned!ReplyDelete
Another version of their grand(x2)mother twist.
First, the army top brass said the unidentified flying object was not intercepted, bcoz they only discovered it after reviewing the record on tape.
Then the air force big gun said they suspected that it could be MH370, ie not sure!
Now, this order to return to base by this nincompoop! Hello, if this story holds then why all these phrases of UFO, NOT SURE?
Surely if the plane is ordered to return, then the RMAF personnel who monitored the blip MUST know it is MH370 on the spot. Why didnt he/she then said something?
Or another I didnt say it, the press mis-quoted me ministerial farce? CB, this is mentioned in the august house of Parliament! Or the house of a strumpet den?
One lie after another! Hello, PutraJaya, we have a problem. We r short of tong sampah covers - 8 covers for 10 tong!
The show wouldnt hold!!!!!!
I don't know laa......When many people including one former Taiwan lang air force chief has indicated discrepancies in RMAF interception SOP, what more to say......Lest my mandarin is really no goodDelete
HY, Kindly watch & relate the stories to kaytee
I am absolute sure that kaytee kia would hold on with certain points said by these experts........The hypoxia thingy......HAHAHAHAHA! Wanna bet
low class looes, still waiting for you to show you can be honorableDelete
'History will judge us well !', Hisham.ReplyDelete
A wimpy statement by an incompetent!Delete
History judges incompetents with blood on their hands WHEN they r dead.
All u get is maybe someone to peep on their graves from time to time ONLY.
" Then what Hasan.......Brunei melayu......the one related to haris salleh? Hahahaha! The one closed to the establishment......hahahahaha "ReplyDelete
I will give you a clue. I know Wan Arfah personally. She is the sister of Dr. Wan Azizah. I still meet Wan Arfah for a cup of tea, for old time sake. I can also be a "she". Wakakaka...
I am open to people who choose to believe in conspiracy theories and the what ifs. It is a free world. But to make those assumptions without at least some sort of fact finding homework and read, denotes sheer indolence.ReplyDelete
Many questions put forth by these’ proponents of Malaysian authority bashings’ are answered during the media press conferences. It is one thing for one to not believe, it is another to be ignorant of the fact all together.
There is much we can learn from this unprecedented event with regards to our Air Force SOP. I’m not making excuses for them, but merely acknowledging it is only human to err. Putting peaceful Malaysia aside, US on 9/11 lost 4 planes simultaneously on the same day. US fighter jets were not deployed to shoot down the rogue commercial planes as advocated by some on what the Malaysian authorities ought to do with MH 370. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Or in this case, carelessness.
This is another PURE BULL!Delete
Before 911 NOBODY in the world WOULD thought of using civilian airliners as a weapon of destruction! Get yr bloody fact right!
Moreover, those 4 flights were originated from US airspace, & do u know HOW tight is the US airspace?
Last world, WHY dont u try t pilot an single engine craft towards Capitol Hill, or White House airspace & ignore all IFF request now.
U would missile right before u say hello...........
'Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Or in this case, carelessness.'
Quote: "Before 911 NOBODY in the world WOULD thought of using civilian airliners as a weapon of destruction! Get yr bloody fact right!"
This is the definition of unprecedented. 9/11 was unprecedented for the US just as the missing MH370 is unprecedented for Malaysia.
Quote: "Moreover, those 4 flights were originated from US airspace, & do u know HOW tight is the US airspace?"
The four civilian 9/11 planes originated from US just as MH370 originated from KLIA. What is your point exactly?
DO make up your mind if you are actually rebutting my point or agreeing. It sure hell can't be both.
I hate to play teacher, not that I want to!Delete
'....the missing MH370 is unprecedented for Malaysia.'
Come on, be a sport. MH370 was classified as hijacked (pink-lip's word). Then it went 'missing' as the incompetent 'coordinated' the international SAR wasted almost 1 week searching at the wrong place.
Hijack plane IS NOT unprecedented in M'sia. It did happened - go & look up that historical crash in JB.
When it went missing in International airspace - that's NOT unprecedented! Many planes did that too!
The key difference between 911 & MH370 is 911 is TRULY unprecedented. MH370 isnt. Period.
The ONLY thing unprecedented is that MH370 let the world at large knows that M'sia is governed by incompetent/nincompoops.
BTW, I wont response to u AGAIN, bcoz I want to keep my word to tembak SOMEONE kau-kau for his politicization rant.
Am I making my point clear?
Quote: I hate to play teacher, not that I want to!
Goodness gracious, I sure hope not. Not with your weak retort and sloppy logic.
Quote: "Hijack plane IS NOT unprecedented in M'sia. It did happened - go & look up that historical crash in JB."
Is hijacking the conclusion after 3 weeks of intensive investigations into the missing MH370 by various local and foreign agencies? The fact is the verdict is still out there. But to you, this is irrelevant. You choose to embrace the initial early assessment because 'hijacking' fits into your predefined narratives of incompetency by the Malaysian authorities. (as it happened before) To acknowledge the unknown, would mean, gasp, adhere to the definition of unprecedented.
My original post was to pinpoint the fallacy of some who advocate fighter jets should be deployed to bring down the UFO, the blip on the radar. Your trigger happy antics had resulted in stray bullets making its way into my comment.
Shoot and run? It's not my way.
To me the primary issue is holding the Malaysian government accountable for its actions or inactions on the night MH370 went missing, as well as the aftermath.ReplyDelete
Talking about accountability, it is so obvious how seriously Australian PM Tony Abbott takes his accountability to Parliament. The Australian Parliament happens to be in session, and he is daily briefing All Parliamentarians on Australia's conduct of the SAR.
That is the kind of behaviour which promotes civil and level-headed political debate.
Anwar Ibrahim is not the issue in this crisis. Apart from UMNO fanatics and Myrmidons, Ktemoc must be one of the few Malaysians who wake up every morning with Anwar Ibrahim as THE chip on his shoulder.
actually I support your call to hold the Malaysian authorities to account for all the mess associated with the MH370 tragedy, but there's a time and place for this, namely in Parliament, followed or preceded by an inquiry or royal commission.Delete
But we cannot deny AI's attempt to politicize the issue in making those comments which didn't contribute an iota, not one bloody skerritt, to resolving the MH370 search & investigation but had on the contrary served to inflame an already sad situation for the families of the missing people.
wakakaka, as for my views on AI, much as AI's supporters won't ever believe me, I don't hate him at all though I admit I would never trust him wakakaka, and incidentally I sleep very well at night, wake up with clear eyes and a fresh mind and will always post on what I believe is necessary to be posted, wakakaka
Paid to write to destroy AI ?Delete
Do you have to hate ?
wakakaka, so now you admit I don't hate AI, but of course you would look for another reason, that I'm being paid - I wish so; can you remind Putrajaya to send me my cheque as I could do with some money right now, wakakaka.Delete
And why you would look for another reason (if I don't hate him) to blame me for commenting against AI has been because you can't imagine anyone ever writing against AI unless they're UMNO-BN trolls, paid cybertroopers or those who "hate" him, and the sad reason for your narrow thinking is you're too blinded, thinking not unlike Wan Azizah, that he's "God's gift to the people", wakakaka
"If you wish you can consider that you have won, wakakaka"Delete
That shithole tabloid MC is at its fucking worse again,showing the queen playing golf while the country is mourning the MH 370 tragedy.ReplyDelete
No point shooting the media, unless they are reporting an untruth, which there is no evidence in this case.Delete
My separate sources confirmed the Glenmarie Golf & Country Club game did occur on the day and time reported.
hmmm so the radar marconi system have or have no capability to detect a flight turnback? unless the primary not functioning. i think what ata offficer said is not relevant, even if u call them professional. ridhuan tee oso a dr what.ReplyDelete
From what I know, the military did detect the flight turnback.
The air tower control is able to identify and track a plane via data transmitted through the transponder. That is why when the transponder is switched off, the control tower lost the plane.
The military radar on the other hand can pick up an UFO entering our airspace but they won't know who/what it is. It could be a private plane, drone or a redirected commercial plane. They see the blip on their radar, but they don't know what it is. In this case, they assumed it was a plane redirected by airtower to another airport.
The thing is, it is the norm to search the spot where the transponder last communicated with the control tower. In this case, it is the South China Sea. Logically one would assume the last transponder contact location would be the place to search. They did not take in account someone on the plane switched the transponder off. (not ruling out mechanical failure of course)
hh, thanks for the clear n precise narration on what happen, so do u know whether the radar marconi system have or have no capability to detect a flight turnback?Delete
As someone who is not privy to inside information and mostly kept informed by media feeds and generous helpings of web theories, your guess is as good as mine.
Logically speaking, by following the chain of events, there is no reason to believe our radar did not pick up the turn around plane. Yep, Anwar Ibrahim's accusation in front of Christiane Amanpour isn't exactly accurate. (But hell, being the opportunist he is, it is only fair he dutifully did his part, what more in front of international TV.)
Remember in the early days of the missing plane, Malaysia dispatched a search into the Straits of Malacca while everyone was searching in the South China Sea?
It serves no purpose for Malaysia to do a search in the Straits of Malacca had they not pick up the turnaround plane on radar and went ahead to investigate just to make sure. (remember at that time, it has not been fully verified the blip on the radar is MH370)
Malaysian authorities were seeking confirmation the blip on the radar was MH370 from the Thai authorities but it was not forthcoming until much later. It is unfortunate human lives are relegated to secondary concern in the name of national security.
"Shaking my head even as I cry"....
Im not exactly sure what the oppos said the about the announcement. Perhaps the announcement was made to help give passengers "closure" (but fails miserably, and in fact aggravated the anger and sorrow of the family members, especially the Chinese). But there are other possible reasons coming to my twisted head, eg. That by decreeing that all the passengers are dead, all the angry families can now stop bothering the govt. There are a few other problems with the announcement. It is all based on circumstantial evidence: no wreckage, based on 19th century fiziks calculations. Even if the science behind it is solid, and even if pm najib enjoys utmost respect and trust from the audience, families are unable to accept such "closure" until they see something concrete. So imagine how horrible it is for the family who is still hanging on to hope after the "sad announcement" and having the media n social media be abuzz with condolences and all that morbid stuff.ReplyDelete
Another problem is that why must be no survivors? Is a safe water landing not possible at all? Afaik, inmarsat data only confirms the last position of the plane. It cant determine if the plane crashed horribly or that there were no survivors. It is all based on assumptions and the families will hang on to any opposite assumptions even if unlikely.
If the announcement really had to be done, there are many ways to improve it. Say, maybe let hisham do it. At least he's capable of taking and answering questions. And also maybe get Inmarsat involved as well since they are the one with technical knowledge. When the announcement was made, I recall najib say that technical detail will come tomorrow. Why cant they do it the same time? Becoz its 10pm and late? All the stuff like "no questions" and "details tomorrow" only helps unnecessarily aggravate the situation further. I tatau la. Just my opinion..
Apek's turn to politicize MH370 ?
I wonder about Ktemoc's response ?
Western media biadab
Chinese media biadab
Anwar biadab (according to Ktemoc)
Malaysian MSM ......very respectful.
I still don't understand how authorities find a different object everyday but yet it is no part of a plane...ReplyDelete
My questions are:
- why did it take so long to deploy search teams?
- Why no mayday from pilot?
- How can we find a soccer ball in a middle of a soccer field using google map but we cant find a plane the size of a building?
- Or the government knows something we don't?
Check this video i found: