Wednesday, January 23, 2019

Pigs are sweeties, camels are halal

Star Online - I am a pig, so what? (extracts) by June Wong:

June HL Wong

sweet and lovely - I always have an eye for her

you ain't no pig June but a Sweetie

PIG. Hog. Swine. By any name, poor Porky has endured insults through the ages. Because it is so maligned and misrepresented as a stupid, dirty and greedy creature, being born under that sign wasn’t something I was proud of. My young self found it an absolute embarrassment.

I envied my siblings who were born under “better” signs, especially my younger sister who was born in the year of the dragon and is a high achiever since her primary school days.

born in Year of Dragon 

It didn’t help either that over the years, the pig became the most detested animal in Malaysia. So detested that I think we can adopt the Bosnian expression “Feeling like a pig in Teheran” which means, according to Wikipedia, “being uncomfortable in a situation, presumably because a pig has no place in Islamic surroundings”. All we have to do is replace Teheran with Kuala Lumpur.

That’s why despite the Federal Territories Minister Khalid Samad saying there was no ban on using the image of the pig in this Chinese New Year’s decorations in public places, no shopping mall is willing to risk offending Muslim sensitivities by displaying anything remotely porcine.

Chinese (non-Muslims of course) love pigs especially the meat


After all, there have been enough incidents involving the animal to show it’s simply not worth trying to be culturally correct this CNY.

In 2014, Cadbury Malaysia had to recall two batches of chocolate products when the Health Ministry claimed two batches of samples were tainted with porcine DNA. This led to Malay-Muslim groups calling for a nationwide boycott on all Cadbury products to wage a holy war against the company for attempting to “weaken” Muslims in Malaysia. The dust settled when the Malaysian Islamic Development Department (Jakim) subsequently said there was no such contamination and that the chocolates were halal after all.

The following year, an Australian company pulled the plug on its electronic billboard Hari Raya greeting in KL because its wombat mascot was mistaken for a pig.



In Malaysia in 2015 the wombat was mistaken for a pig

several thousands of years ago the ancient Egyptians (not today's Arabs) mistook the hippopotamus (an animal sacred to the God Seth) for a pig, and hence started the abstinence for pork and things piggy

that custom of abstaining from pork was adopted by the Hebrews-Israelites-Judeans-Jew and Muslims

Then in 2017, the Domestic Trade, Cooperatives and Consumerism Ministry seized 2,003 paint brushes made from pig bristles that were not properly labelled in a nationwide crackdown.

But Muslims aren’t the only ones who want nothing to do with the pig. The Jews also don’t consume pork and in the Bible (Leviticus 11:7) Moses and his followers are forbidden to eat swine “because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud”

OK, so the Hebraic laws as espoused in Leviticus 11:1-7 goes as follows:
And the Lord spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5 And the coney
[a rabbit], because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

Ad that's what June Wong meant on why Muslims (and Orthodox Jew and their Hebrew, israelite, Judean ancestors) don't eat pork, namely because the pig, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud , the exact opposite of the camel, coney and hare, which though cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof.

YHWH was/is an exacting God who demands all 'conditions', namely, 
Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, may then be eaten.

Also see my older post written in 2005 (14 years ago) titled Why Orthodox Jews Don't Eat Pork!

Stewart Lee Allen, author of 'In the Devil's Garden', all about 'haram-ish' food, after he had discussed a few other reasons (including a discussion on kosher split hoofed cud-chewing animals and the problem of trichinosis) says:

"Historians fancy the notion that Jewish pig phobia stems from their stint as slaves in Egypt during the time when the cult of the god Seth held pigs to be exalted beasts."

But while Jews and Shia Muslims don't partake of camel meat - the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you - Sunnis do.

Islam shares many similar beliefs with Judaism, among them belief in one god, same angels, same prophets (Yehoshua ben Yosef /Isa and Mohamad being the exceptions)*, circumcision and also dietary observance, to wit, what is kosher (halal) and what is not (haram).

* To Jews, Yehoshua ben Yosef or more commonly Yeshua ben Yosef was a Judean heretic whilst to Muslims, he was a prophet (Nabi). To Christians, he was Christ the son of the Christian god

To Muslims, Mohamad was god's last prophet, but Judaism and Christianity don't recognise him at all

Jesus as Europeans see him 

Jesus as South Koreans see him 

Commissioned by the BBC, forensic anthropologist Richard Neave developed a image of the Christian figure that is pretty far removed from the face we're used to—but one that was informed by historical evidence and computerised tomography.

Neave is an expert in forensic facial reconstruction, and by taking three Semitic skulls from Israeli archeological sites (near where Jesus is believed to have been born), he was able to use computerised x-ray and ultrasound techniques to construct a model of Jesus' face. Based on anthropological and genetic data, he came up with the image pictured above.

Orthodox Jews and Muslims don't eat pork but when it comes to camel, they differ.

Pig is an animal which has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud. Thus it fulfils only one of the two requirements for a 'clean' animal and must not be eaten.

In these respects, as mentioned above, the camel is the exact opposite - though it chews the cud, it does not have a divided hoof. Thus it too fulfils only one of the two requirements for a 'clean' animal and must not be eaten.

Jews and Shiite Muslims don't eat both the pig and camel.

But interestingly, Sunni Muslims do eat the camel. In fact during Eid al-Adha in Malaysia, in previous years it's known politicians donated camels to be sembileh and the meat distributed as part of the religious festival.

I was told by a Muslim that one of the aHadith (but not the Quran) authorises Sunnis to consider camel meat as halal.


  1. The land between the Euphrates river and the Mediterranean sea has been invaded, fought over and settled by many different tribes over millennia.

    I visited Jordan before, and there are "Arabs" there whose looks range from African to Caucasian.

    Who is to say what Isa bin Yussof really looked like ?

    1. I suppose you are far cleverer and more knowledgeable than forensic anthropologist Richard Neave

    2. Richard Neave's interpretation is a possibility, but it is not considered settled science, so don't try to insist that it is settled science e.g. by attacking anyone who disagrees.

      Other experts have stated what I brought up - the Jordan Valley has such a complex blend of ethnic origins, even 2,000 years ago, there is a wide range of possibilities for the historical Isa bin Yussof's ethnic heredity.

      "We don't know one way or the other" is a fair statement.

  2. All those idiosyncracies of the Abrahamic religions to regulate what can be eaten and what cannot, what is clean and what is not, what is kosher, halam or haram all based on cultural beliefs (never scientifically proven) thousands of years ago so as to obey their God/Gods commands and thinking they will end up in a place of bliss and peace called Heaven. However, a cunning caveat is put whereby when dying of starvation, such food/animals are permissible. I wonder why such a contradiction in breaking such God/Gods Laws, when Heaven is so sought after in the first place ?

    I don't see anyone die eating those so called kosher or not, halal or haram, clean or unclean or whatnot.

    You don't want to eat or use or go near those animals, insects, amphibians etc, it's your own problem and religious beliefs and never the problem of others who does not belief in some cultural and old thousands years sayings or beliefs. The worst part of such believers is when for no reason they even hate those who eat and do not believe in their diet and beliefs.

    However, if medical experts do come out with proof that some food are poisonous or harmful to health like some mushrooms, puffer fish, toads, insects etc, then to ensure your health and to live long, it would be smart and not be stupid to eat those stuff and commit suicide for the sake of eating.

    However, neither do I want to condemn those of the Abrahamic faiths in what they want to believe in their God/Gods command and on what they can eat or use. It's just their beilefs like what their forefathers and ancestors do thousands of years ago.

    In a way, the world/local prices and consumption of certain meat, saving certain species of the animal kingdom from extinction etc is at least balanced.

    Can you imagine how much more expensive pork, frog meat, beer, alcoholic drinks etc will be without those of the Abrahamic faiths believing certain things as not kosher/halal?

    In fact, more vegetarians beliefs should be encouraged by Govt. to control prices and prevent shortages of meat, poultry and fishes to those who want to be carnivorous.

    After all, Human Beings are born Omnivarous. You just can't live on prayers and an empty stomach.

    1. In historical times, it would have been a factual observation that a number of people who consumed pork became ill or unwell. More than taking beef , chicken or fish.

      Raw Meat or improperly cooked meat could have been part of some people's diets.

      So a religion which purported to be a "Complete Guide to Life" , as such are Abrahamic religions, would have instructed their followers not consume pork.

      Of course, there was no such scientific knowledge of Nematode parasites, which are more far common in Pigs than with Cattle due to their omnivorous diet.

      Or the fact that proper cooking would kill the parasites, including the larvae, rendering the meat safe to eat.

      If you think about it logically, it is not that far different from Buddhism discouraging its adherents from taking meat at all.

      Though Buddhism does not ban meat altogether, there is a clear interpretation that consuming meat results in a heavy Karmic burden. Its your choice...

  3. Unta boleh dibuat korban pada hari raya haji dan daging unta halal dimakan.


    Altantuya cousin reaffirms what she saw....

    Tian Chua may not have been that far off....Photoshop or not....wakakakaka....

    Naj no longer "kebal" out for more juicy stories.

    1. You Monsterball should organize and dance the jogek lambak with the judiciary. Wakakaka...

    2. Bugis pirate no longer calling the all those niggling, unsettling concerns floating around, even after so many years, will get due attention now.

      Really, one just cannot bomb a woman to smithereens, erased all immigration records of her ever been into this country, charged your own bodyguards with such planned murder WITHOUT a credible motive. The 2 Razaks eventually brushed off this 'episode' and carry on off to Britain to live lavishly on his Scorpene commission and the other went on to be the top official and got $2.6 billion in his private accounts.

      However, the party has to stop sometime, even the Heavens find there's a limit to such obscene 9th May 2018 was the day that brought everything tumbling down about their ears. Padan muka...

    3. Joget, dancing are all good for the mind, good for the soul.
      Clean fun.
      Only the Taliban dumbos attack it.


    Did Najib in fact meet Altantuya ?
    When ? Why ?
    Maybe it was just an innocent "Hello", but why then did Najib swear in a mosque that he had never met her ?

    "Wallahi, Wabillahi, Watallahi (With Allah as my witness) I swear I do not know or have any connection with the Mongolian woman,"

    Dosa tahu, kalau sumpah bohong.

    1. Ahok freed. And will be marrying a Muslim.

    2. file:///storage/emulated/0/Download/MaluApaBossku-Pakatan-Harapan-Setinggi-Gunung.mp4


      The latest twist in the Ahok saga has two tantalising possible scenarios.

      a) The woman has converted to Christianity ("murtad")
      b) Ahok remains a Christian, and it will be a mixed-religion and mixed-race marriage.

      Both scenarios are legally permissible in Indonesia.

      Both Illegal in Malaysia, and if any such incidents arise, likely Holy Hadi and Mullah Najib will be instigating Melayu race-religion "mengamuk" riots

      Indonesia does have its ugly sides, but on such matters, they are light-years more enlightened than Malaysia's Melayu.

    4. I have heard true accounts of spouses married to Muslims NOT required to convert to Muslim in Indonesia. Only in our besieged boondocks that we see this Masuk Melayu crap. Imagine the shock when I first landed in Jakarta....turned on their national TV and there we see clips of Christian sermons being aired and Christian priests giving talks about their religion....likewise for other faiths like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam etc all faiths presumably are given their equal allocated time to 'spread' their piece. If it were to happen here...rivers of blood, non Muslim blood that is, will flow non stop.

    5. I think former Lord President Tun Mohamed Suffian's wife Bunny was not converted ....... I might be wrong, I don't know, not meant to offence. Anyone can shed light?

    6. according to al Quran, Muslims may marry people of the Book (Tanakh, Bible, Quran) as they share the same God

    7. Yes, Allah it is.... but that is toxic for Melayu .... wakakakakaka...

    8. Yes.. I can agree with you KT. And without conversion. Of course with conversion would be most desirable.