Friday, February 06, 2009

Silver State in sorry state

The ear of the leader must ring with the voices of the people

– Woodrow T Wilson

“Why O why Tuanku”’s reverberate throughout the nation – you know who, you know what, you know when, but you don’t know why!

Puzzling for such a learned man who wrote in his book ‘Constitutional Monarchy, Rule of Law and Good Governance in 2004’ that ...
... no sultan or agung had withheld consent to dissolve legislative body, except in Kelantan in 1977, and who also reminded us ...
... 'Under normal circumstances, it is taken for granted that the Yang di-Pertuan Agong would not withhold his consent to a request for dissolution of parliament. His role is purely formal' - see Malaysiakini Perak turmoil: Sultan has final say.

My learned visitor Observer gave a possible explanation and most likely reason for HRH’s very unpopular decision. Observer said:

I don't like the idea of toppling an elected government through frogs one bit at all - whether it’s done by PKR or by BN.

My mateys, who include some top-class retired lawyers had a sombre round of drinks last night, and we ended up with a heavy conversation around the Constitution.

I think the Sultan, faced with the swirling political controversy, chose to focus his decision based on just two paragraphs in the Perak Constitution - the Constitution of Malaysia has similar wordings.

(a) the Ruler shall first appoint as Menteri Besar to preside over the Executive Council a member of the State Legislature who in his judgment is likely to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the Legislature; and

(b) If the Menteri Besar ceases to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the State Legislature, then, unless at his request the Ruler dissolves State Legislature, Menteri Besar shall tender his resignation and that of the Executive Council..

There you are, a very narrow focus on the constitution, setting aside any issues about frogging, whether the resulting government represents the will of the people etc. etc.

I'm afraid it’s appropriate per the Constitution.

Fair enough. Then I referred to Malaysian Insider, looking for views from Malik Imtiaz Sarwar who wrote in Perak: A constitutional crisis (relevant extracts only):

Now that the dust is settling, it is becoming clearer what it is that took place in Perak over the last 24 hours. My respectful view is that His Highness may have acted erroneously in directing the resignation of the menteri besar

… then yadda yadda (a recapitulation of the significant events) followed by yadda yadda (same as Observer’s comments) …

It must be borne in mind that:

· as noted above, Article 16(6) is specifically directed to a no-confidence scenario, that is the incumbent menteri besar can seek the dissolution of the assembly upon his having ceased to command the confidence of the majority
· Article 36(2) however provides more generally that His Highness has the power to dissolve the assembly. It is clear that this provision is aimed at allowing His Highness to dissolve the assembly for other reasons thought to be appropriate
· the Perak Constitution does not empower His Highness to dismiss the menteri besar. The manner in which the menteri besar is to be removed from office is as provided for under Article 16(6), through a refusal to dissolve the assembly at the request of the menteri besar when the menteri besar has ceased to command the confidence of the majority of the assembly.

It is apparent that His Highness had moved on the assumption that the request for dissolution was prompted by the menteri besar having ceased to command the confidence of the majority. This may have been based on a misapprehension of the situation and the appeal to the Sultan to dissolve the assembly for reasons other than confidence. If so, then the directive to resign was arguably not tenable.

Malik, being balanced and undoubtedly a nice polite bloke, used very careful ethical language to ‘suggest’ that HRH’s directive for Nizar to resign 'was arguably not tenable'!
In other words, HRH was wrong!

But more troubling was (what I thought to be unnecessarily threatening and hostile) HRH’s warning to Nizar that the MB doesn’t want to go, the posts of menteri besar and state executive councillors are considered vacant.

Wah, so fierce one!

Ok, it’s a great disappointment for everyone who thought HRH would be their silver bullet. Alas … all kena shot in their posterior liao wakakakakaka

What has been even far far more disturbing has been the nasty attempt of a pro-UMNO blogger (known to be a staunch Mahathir-ite) who has posted insinuations that MB Nizar has committed treason, though he tap-danced around by attributing the accusations to others (undoubtedly people of the same pro UMNO ilk).

What a f* under the belt low blow! It's like kicking a man already shackled and down on his back.

For this staunch Mahathir-iteIf, if he is trying to tar Nizar as Jebat, just remember what his hero, Dr Mahathir said of Hang Tuah in Malaysiakini:

Let me quote the story of Hang Tuah: Whenever the King gives an order, Hang Tuah and his brethrens would say, ‘mana titah, patih junjung’ (I will obey your bidding) [...] that is why Hang Tuah killed his friends. He was too loyal…

Even during the (first prime minister) Tunku (Abdul Rahman)’s time, I was not very loyal person. I am loyal only to what you do, not what you are. Do the wrong thing and I won’t support.
In Malaysiakini Vox Populi, Arianna wrote:
No matter what legal reasons or arguments prompted Sultan Azlan Shah to arrive at his decision, many will remember him as a party that robbed the people of Perak their right to choose a government.
It is indeed tragic that a sultan of his calibre would listen to some politicians and ignore the voice of his subjects.
Assuming that the sultan only adhered to the Perak constitution when making such a decision, then what about the constitutional rights of the Perak voters who made known their choice in the last general election?
Are they not worth anything at all? The sultan is the rakyat's last hope against thieves that abused the constitution for their own means.
If anything, the sultan has just open the floodgates for undemocratic power grabs instead of putting a stop to this shameful and despicable act.
So, ... whither the monarchy goes from now on?


  1. Kaytee, you gave a tribute to Karpal Singh whose unwavering stand on issues has earned him your solid baking.
    Similarly, I would like to pay my respect to you, though with much less eloquence. Your persistent calls to avoid katak-katak at all costs and for more integrity instead of a blind support for one side of the political spectrum. I have fallen victim to such partiality, on grounds known to all.
    To Kaytee and, his learned commenter, The Observer: please keep up the good work!
    I hope the good people from both coalitions will listen to you and repudiate unfair moves.
    To PR, please invite Anwar to take a back-seat while you reject once and for all unethical treachery to voters. To BN, let Najib take a break as he has done enough to ensure his perception is not suitable for a supposedly PM-to-be. To both coalitions, do the job you have been elected to perform, at last. These two leaders are dragging their respective coalitions down the sea level.

  2. Speaker is given rights to remove a member of the DUN. The 3 now-independent ADUNs resigned, and the speaker of the DUN accepted their resignation.

    Hence, legally speaking, the DUN speaker removed the 3 kataks from DUN, and the 3 seats are open for by-election. Which means the DUN right now is 28 vs 28, with 3 vacant seats...

    Just because EC refuses to hold by-election doesn't mean these 3 kataks are still ADUN, unless the court void the speaker's decision, the DUN is still 28 vs 28 with 3 vacancies...

    How can the 3 kataks that are no longer ADUN go to convince the Sultan that they support BN??!!!

  3. HRH did not make an error.

    Article 16(6) points to a situation when no other person command the confidence of the majority to be MB, thus, fresh election to break the standstill.

    In this case, obviously there is another man commanding the confidence of the majority. Thus, HRH rightfully appointed that person MB.

    The ex MB should tender his resignation. In fact, that is mere formality, the moment he lost confidence of the majority, he cease to be MB. You are not MB if you don't have the majority behind you.

    On the topic of representation of the people's will.

    The constitution is seen to be inconsistent with reality. It views that people vote individuals, not party. We all know that is not true.

    So you have a situation where some feel the new state govt does not represent the will of the people. On the other hand, the constitution view that the people's will is still represented because the people voted individuals, who are free to choose which party they want be under.

    Clearly,the REAL safeguard to uphold the people's will is a law prohibiting member of assembly hopping party. Want to switch? Resign first.

  4. kt - i remember some of your article cautioning people who ask the monarch to do something...

    seems like you've been right all this while.

    HRH n Raja Nazrin has always given good lecture on Democracy, Rule of Law, Respect for the Constitution, Good governance and in Raja Nazrin latest speech he mentioned that HRH has always "understood the sentiments and aspirants of his subjects" yada yada...

    a big let down. good in rhetoric short in deliveries.

  5. When the people are dissatisfied with their monarchs, they disposed of them altogether. Examples are King Charles I, Louis XVI and Czar Nikolas II.

  6. PR and the GSOS had made a major blunder by defying the HRH. First Nizar being a Malay Muslim has committed something akin to a treason and sin. This will effectively destroy his political future. And his rambling and defiant attitude ala Rafe Benitez will be taken negatively by the HRH and the Malays of Perak and the nation.

    As for PR, by organising the demo and going against Sultan's decision means losing much favour with the rulers who finally had started to warm of PR. Again, this might means the rulers will side BN in the future.

    I am certainly not in favor or katakcracy but having said that I don't even have an aota of sympathy for PR's and Anwar's lost in Perak.

    BN too by adopting such undemocratic means has lost their moral ground.

    But in terms of politics one cannot but admire Najib's political streetfighting creds which had left Anwar look like an ageing Pak Rempit /Bag Snatcher.

    Perhaps Najib is sending the GSOS a message that he will resort to dirty tricks to defend BN if need to.

    With this, one thing we can be sure. Anwar's "OX"ymoronic 916 plan is doomed (if it has not that is...). No BN ADUN or MP with half-a-brain will ever consider talking to PR in the future. On the otherhand, knowing BN's strength, PR ADUNs and MPs will hold PR and the GSOS at random for the next few years and give them endless problems. In fact I expect Selangor to descend into crisis soon.

    BTW for Perak, expect a few more ppl (probably PKR) to defect.

  7. PR supporters are all blinded royalty to Anwar only, from which mould Anwar and his supporters come from?.............what are they good at?.............what are their aims?.............what tactic they will use?..............they are very good to blame and see others fault, but fail to see and except their own flaws. We see it all, their true colour have been reveal over and over, time over time, again and again. Now they want to find fault with HRH decision.

    To put it simple, these people are not fit to rule, that how the learned and wise HRH sees it.

    Back to history, when Tun Dr Lim Chong Eu lead Gerakan to join BN, there was a huge outcry that Tun Dr LCE betray the people, but later after seeing his action resulted to tremendous development and standard of Penang lifted many fold, the people of Penang change their viewpoint and put Gerakan into power until recently.

    Here the learned and wise HRH not necessary have to listen to the people's current sentiment, many time people perspective turn out to be wrong due to rush emotion, that why we needed learned and able leaders to direct the course. I believe HRH actions and decision is base on his wisdom and of course for the betterment of his subjects and not favouring either Anwar or Najib. Perhaps those who disagree with the HRH now will agree with him later when they see the light. It is irrational to cut him off, I trust he make a wise decision base on his good pass deeds and records.

  8. In the future Federal Republic of Malaysia, we won't have to deal with such nonsense!

  9. Well, diehard MCA and BN supporters, may I suggest that you take a look at this:

    If the regime you support does not do something about the economy quickly, your nightmare of a regime change at the federal level may come true!

    Phua Kai Lit

  10. Dear All

    Just read on Malaysiakini that the
    "repressive state apparatus" (police) is taking action against
    demonstrators in Kuala Kangsar because of the failure of the "ideological state apparatus" (govt-controlled media)
    to placate the people's anger.

    Phua Kai Lit

  11. The ex MB should tender his resignation. In fact, that is mere formality, the moment he lost confidence of the majority, he cease to be MB. You are not MB if you don't have the majority behind you.


    But do remember, how do you prove one has no longer hold confidence of the majority?

    In this case, an oral agreement with HRH? A signed letter? or?

    Do remember that a signed letter means nothing when EC, not even a court, dismissed the legal letters signed by the kataks... And oral agreement is absolutely nothing, especially when it wasn't even recorded...

    Malik Imtiaz had provided an excellent case back in 1966, where the Sarawak governor's move to sack the CM was ruled unconstitutional...

    As with most countries, judiciary system refers to precedents and conventions...

    I'm glad YB Karpal Singh finally voiced and said he will sue the Sultan and new BN government...

  12. Bentoh

    legally speaking, the DUN speaker removed the 3 kataks from DUN, and the 3 seats are open for by-election. Which means the DUN right now is 28 vs 28, with 3 vacant seats...

    Is that true that they have resign ? What about the fact that they have openly disclosed that the letter was an open dated resignation letter and that they have lodged a polis report that they have not sent any resignation to the speaker ?
    If it is true Hee has also resign why would Guan Eng plead with her to come back ?? Pls enlighten me .

  13. Killer
    In fact I expect Selangor to descend into crisis soon.

    One down two more to go ...........Selangor next target ...Wakakakakaka only need four or five ADUNs to katak .. even though I'm against katakcrazy . Surprising our GSOS , Mr Opposition is very quiet .

  14. YB Karpal Singh finally voiced and said he will sue the Sultan and new BN government...

    Won't be surprised HRH will decree that those not happy with his decision can leave Perak or PR aduns who keep on demonstrating against his decision will be made persona non grata in Perak .
    I also won't be surprise if the Ngeh fellow be stripped of his Datukship for his arrogance .

  15. Hi Phau Kai Lit,

    That was not people's anger, that was PR's anger.

    Currently IC index keep going up...Heheheheh.......

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  17. This is getting out of hand...the demonstrators not just defying but also rebelling against the HRH Sultan, which is akin to treason.

    Did you guys notice that the mob started at the mosque and shouting religious slogans and not democratic themes ? It can only mean that these guys are from PAS and the religious extremist elements of PKR.

    The more they create problems the more support they lose with the Rulers and nuetral Malaysians. Whatever sympathy they had generated had been lost. The Perak Chinese is being put off by this hysterical and religiously slanted demonstrators and would throw their lot with BN's promise of peace, calm and security.

    BTW does anyone know where is the GSOS when the country needs him ? Don't tell me it is the Turkish Embassy again. Or perhaps he is asking Obama for a few billion and the help of CIA/Mossad in order to defeat BN ?

    Chaptokam : Yes, I expect Selangor to fall soon, with that dim-witted, bumbling clown of a MB to be soon shown the door. I am sure the PKR reps are calling their UMNO counterparts to discuss about their "career prospects". I can see Khir Toyo being a busy man today. And I wouldn't be suprised to be a lot of PKR MPs hanging around at Putrajaya today...

    Oh yes, Nizar, ex-defacto MB Ngeh and the rest of these treacherous crew can expect to join the "Ex-Datuks Associations Of Perak" soon...hahahahahaha

  18. Hi Xie An

    The actions of your rogue BN regime are truly uniting the Malays, Chinese and Indians.

    Take a look at the photos taken at the mass gathering in Ipoh last night. Malaysia Boleh!

    Phua Kai Lit

  19. The new "government" in Perak is a >"Kerajaan Haram">.

    It may be able to rule through an iron fist using FRU and tear gas, but it does not have legitimacy in the eyes of the people.

    As sure as I am sitting here, the people of Perak did not vote to be ruled by 27 UMNO thieves, 1 MCA poodle and 3 Frogs.

  20. Hi Phua Kai Lit,

    They are just bad loser in their own game, can't take it, have to go to the street.

  21. Phua Kai Lit

    The actions of your rogue BN regime are truly uniting the Malays, Chinese and Indians.

    The actions of the supporters of the PR incompetent govt are also truly uniting neutral and educated and sensible Malays , Chinese and Indians .It is also exposing their violent behavior and one track cult mentality . Good Show PR , you have shown us your inability to accept even the HRH's decision . When Katak Bota left UMNO to join PKR you were all clapping hands and singing , heaping him with praises . When these four left and became independent it was the other way round . Is there two different types of principles for different occasions ??

  22. Hi Xie An and othe MCA/BN supporters,

    You can read Hannah Yeoh's take on this (posting on Friday Feb 6):

    P.S. By the way, my view is that
    violent demonstrations cannot be justified. But non-violent
    civil disobedience is OK under particular circumstances.

    Phua Kai Lit

  23. Anonymous 4:13 PM

    As sure as I am sitting here, the people of Perak did not vote to be ruled by 27 UMNO thieves, 1 MCA poodle and 3 Frogs.

    Just be fair to everyone the 27 UMNO Aduns were not thieves , they were duly elected by the people and rakyat of Perak . So is the lone MCA Adun who is also duly elected by the rakyat of Perak , not Hee .

    So to you all PR aduns are angels and all BN aduns are all thieves ?

    You don't need to reply but my response is to tell neutral readers here how petty and irresponsible PR supporters can be . Posting all sorts of ridiculous , name calling remarks and seditious calls .

  24. Phua Kai Lit

    But non-violent
    civil disobedience is OK under particular circumstances.

    Civil disobedience is OK ?? in a mosque ? at the Perak's HRH palace in Kuala Kangsar ?? Under these circumstances ?? You have been brainwashed by these Cults , my friend . When I was in politics Hannah Yeoh was still playing marbles .

  25. Have everyone forgotten that it was Perak royalty who signed the Pangkor Treaty of 1874. Everyone knows this treaty paved the way for the official colonization of the Peninsula by the British. What is selling out to UMNO compared to selling out to the British. Oh, I forgot. Umno is the successor to the British. Guess the Malayan political left wingers were right all along. Took the Malays too long to see UMNO's true colours though. Then again better late than never.

  26. If the MCA operative here doesn't realise how much quiet anger there is in the Chinese community on this issue, then MCA is probably truly out of touch and waiting to be buried.

    You guys still don't realise why all but one of your Perak ADUN candidates in GE12 got thrashed ?

    Most Chinese don't support street demonstrations - but make no mistake in thinking BN is getting any support over this.
    Go hang out in the wet market and Kopitiam at lunch time and listen to ordinary people.

    People are spitting at the mention of BN right now. Ptui !

  27. Perak Sultan has got no right to decree a persona non grata... unles HRH continues to violate the constitution...

    Art Harun as constitutional lawyer gave his take, a convincing one at least for the DAP supporter like me... :P

  28. Phua Kai Lit

    People are spitting at the mention of BN right now. Ptui !

    Perhaps they are suffering from throat infections that they have to Ptui !

    Whether the MCA operative here is saying the right thing or not , he has his opinion and freedom of speech unless you deem that all BN operatives have no freedom of speech or opinion , only PR operatives have .

    Since you hang out in the kopitiams and wet markets would you like to enlighten me on Civil disobedience is OK ?? in a mosque ? at the Perak's HRH palace in Kuala Kangsar ??

    You should be happy that I am helping you out on the MCA operative here doesn't realise how much quiet anger there is in the Chinese community on this issue, then MCA is probably truly out of touch and waiting to be buried. , Isn't that what you want for MCA to be buried !

  29. Keep going strong guys and turn Perak into a burning cauldron like Pakistan or Bangladesh and drive away all investors and business, making Perakian lose jobs by thousands. And then we will see how the Chinese community responds...

    Nizar by not resigning is behaving like Rafa Benitez and is cracking up....You can argue all about technicalities of the HRH not having the right to dismiss the MB but how far can you go with your lack of majority ? This is just postponing the inevitable.

    Now the Lion of Jeluntong wants to sue the HRH. While I like the principled Singh, this is yet another harakiri attempt to burn the bridges with the royalty and make the Malays even angrier.

    I can bet that UMNO leaders' and Najib's handphones' are ringing nonstop with PR rats jumping the sinking KD Deformasi by now. For all we know, Nizar, Ngeh and Nga would be the only 3 of the 28 remaining PR members by the end of the week.

    And Khir Toyo must be busy attending meetings with PKR ADUNs and also PAS' rebel faction. More than Perak, Selangor is one big and seriously dysfunctional PR family. It wouldn't long before we see the bumbling clown Khalid dragged out in tears of the Shah Alam PKNS complex by the police.

    Chaptokam : I am in the market for some 2.4V Camry's...You know anyone selling it cheap ?

  30. Just saw the news that these Talibans been throwing stones at the police and also the VIPs and the HRH.

    So, I guess instead of Gandhi they take their inspiration from Osama Bin Ladin.

  31. Simple. As Malik Intiaz has hinted, HRH screwed up.

    If it were just another HRH we can give him the benefit of the doubt. But not one who was once Lord President of our Courts. He has access to an entire country of legal experts to decide on the right course of action, and FAILED!!

    In the end, it is the PEOPLE who should decide and the only course of action open to HRH where the picture was not cut and dry was to call for fresh elections.

    That he failed is a sign of the pathetic state of affairs in our nation that has been reduce to a banana republic by 50 years of BN/UMNO rule!!

  32. Killer

    Btw ,

    Now the Lion of Jeluntong wants to sue the HRH. I think he's walking on thin ice . HRH was once the Lord President , highly respected by by many intellectuals , I wonder how they will respond to this ! Like you said It will make the Malays and others even angrier . Everything has a limit .

    On PR rats jumping the sinking KD Deformasi by now. Bet the top two on the lists will be Charles Santiago , the Klang MP and the Kapar MP who have been at loggerheads . Even Teng Chang Kim accused CS of being a BN stooge . Who knows in politics the accuser could turn out to be the first one to leave and jump ship .
    How about Loh Kua Burne , the movie director of korek , korek , korek ? Been pretty low profile and was once punched in the face by one of his peers clergy boy ? Imagine even his PAS guy don't even respect the PKR guy !! Oops shouldn't have disclosed so much info here least they'll be under 24 hrs watch .

    On the 2.4V Camry
    How cheap is cheap ? What year ? Let you know once I come across one but need to know above.

  33. Like you said It will make the Malays and others even angrier . Everything has a limit .


    ROFL... nonsense...

    There is no law to stop a person from suing the Sultan... the royals lost their immunity 20+ years ago...

    anger the malay? You will see...

  34. Killer

    Just saw the news that these Talibans been throwing stones at the police and also the VIPs and the HRH.

    Let them repeat what UMNO did in Kuala Trengganu just after the March elections . UMNO was so arrogant that during the dispute in the appointment of the Menteri Besar between Jusoh and Ahmad Said they put up banners calling DYMM Agong NATANG .
    Today they are repeating what UMNO did and hope this will be on the posters come GE . UMNO arrogance is today PR's arrogance .

  35. There is no law to stop a person from suing the Sultan...

    Nobody's disputing this issue .

  36. PENANG, Feb 6 (Bernama) -- DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng challenged the Barisan Nasional (BN) to hold a snap election in Perak to show who commands the majority in the state.

    Lim, who is also Penang Chief Minister, said power should be given to the people to elect a government that would lead Perak as was the case in the general election in 2008.

    "We leave it to the people to determine everything. As it is, it appears that we are watching a movie where manipulation has led to a transfer of power which is not valid in terms of the law," he told reporters at his office, here today.

    He said this when asked to comment on a statement by Education Minister and Umno Youth head Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein who was confident that the transfer of power in Perak could spread to three other states which were still ruled by the Pakatan Rakyat (PR) coalition namely Kedah, Selangor and Penang.

    "Hold a fresh election and we will see whether he could wrest the state or otherwise. If he is truly a gentleman, I urge him to dissolve the Perak State Assembly and we fight it out in Perak," he said.

    Lim described the BN government formed in Perak now as invalid as it did not get the full mandate of the people.

    "The PR has 54 per cent support while the BN has 46 per cent. Which democracy states that the minority can rule the majority," he pointed out.


  37. XieAn

    Well said . He is CHEAP MINISTER OF PENANG . Also now Perak is in a mess , Penang will be on auto pilot as he will be busy with Perak . Wonder where his priorities is right now , Penang ? Perak ? or Parliament ? This is the problem with a guy who wears so many hats .
    Still talking as an opposition leader even though he is Cheap Minister of Penang .

    Mr Cheap Minister
    Since when is politics clean ? Mr Cheap Minister ? Since when is a politician truly a gentleman ?
    Why don't you dissolve the Penang govt and see whether you can still win back all the seats in Penang ? Nothing less than five seats currently held by PKR and DAP will be gone ! back to BN .

    If TDM of which I have no strong liking for , is still PM instead of Pak Lah during the last GE , sorry to say , you'll all be in Kamunting today , and you still think you will be Cheap Minister today ! ? Ought to thank your lucky stars its Pak Lah who is PM .

  38. Chaptokam

    Spot on about the Cheap Minister....I used to admire and like him...until he became the Cheap Minister of Penang when he started to show his true colour.

    He is a walking disaster and the damage that he is causing to Penang is incalculable. If he is going to continue as the CM, then Penang is doomed.

    His DCMs are even worse.I can share some inside info about these clowns. DCM1 Firdaus is a walking and taking timebomb that has no respect even among his party not to mention the Malays or Penangites. DCM2 Rama is even worse. He has no friends or allies even among Penang DAP with the Indian members have completely boycotted him. The other Indian PKR members are eyeing the DCM post and plotting to get rid of him. He shocked many people by his work ethics by saying that he won't attend any functions during the weekend.

    PS : As for the Camry 2...actually I heard rumours that some brand new Camry's with Perak plates (single digit some more) will be sold dirt cheap soon...But I would rather pass the one that a certain ex-defacto MB used, if you know what I mean..wink wink...

  39. Killer

    Sorry I misunderstood earlier , now I got it bright and clear rgd the Camry 2.4V ..wink..wink..Wakakakaka
    Won't be surprised you can get it dirt cheap as its bad luck for anyone using it know ..That certain ex-defacto MB used it and it brought his downfall . Chinese used to say sui meaning bad luck . Hahahaha

    Well back to Penang
    Besides the two you mentioned , there's the one who is always training for the Le Tour Le Langkawi , his training more important and until today I don't know what he has done for Penang . Perhapshe should change his bicycle for a tri-shaw to promote tourism for Penang . Then there are the other two Koays one representing Pulau Tikus and the other Sungai Pinang , again best not to disclose their bad habits , keep for the next GE . Oh yes I nearly forgot to mention this one , got lots of skeletons in the closet , greatly dislike by many . He's a lawyer , drives around in a BMW but hardly see him in his constituency . Goes by his Christian name of James . We have already named six . The rest we'll leave it later .
    That's Penang on auto pilot.

  40. Javanese (Malay) values are not compatible with Islamic values. The informed and educated know this well. So does PAS, though they will not admit it openly.

    Related info:

    Maybe Indonesia should invade the fake country called Malaysia, throw out the government and corrupted system including the monarchy, and call it the straits settlements of various races and religions from all over the world, especially Asia.

    We would be more developed, diverse, strong and cosmo compared to Australia if the British had done a HK on us.

    The current system, rules, constitution and rukun negara were just put in place by UMNO to prolong their (fake and manipulative concept of) Malay Elite dominance, which is in actuality only for UMNOputra dominance; and to allow their divide and conquer tactics and methods to fester and disunite.

    Ketuanan UMNO boleh! People deserve the government they get! Time for the people to rise and rebel!