My letter to and published by Malaysiakini. 'Twas based on my posts Lesson of non-democracy from the north and The cabal moves.
Thailand's unpleasant lesson for Malaysia
Many may not realise that quite a few of Malaysia's official protocols and ceremonial rituals or processes stem from those of Thailand.
Our first prime minister (PM), Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra, was in his childhood brought up in the courtly environment of a Thai palace and thus had great affinity with the Thai court and its practices and indeed the Thai people. When he was our PM, it would not be wrong to say Thailand was our closest and dearest neighbour.
Thus it was hardly surprising that when Malaya gained its independence on Aug 31, 1957, Tunku naturally leaned upon his Thai colleagues and close friends, and perhaps even relatives, to help our then nascent nation build up our own set of official protocols and ceremonies, those that British-style protocols could not cover.
One striking example would be the unusual military-style uniform for our ministers, which was copied from the Thai practice. There are many other such examples of us adopting Thai official customs and ceremonial practices.
But one particular Thai habit worries me, a proclivity of our northern neighbour that I hope we won't ever blindly adopt: their propensity to resort to undemocratic means to seize power.
We are only too aware of the current, unpleasant events in Thailand where its democratically elected government, made up of PM Yingluck Sinawatra's Pheu Thai Party and smaller political allies, have been under illegal political and physical siege by a cabal of conservative forces.
Just a quick summary of the make-up of Thailand's House of Representatives (akin to our Dewan Rakyat). The Thai House has 500 members, with 265 democratically-legally won by the Pheu Thai Party, a clear cut majority in any language and with it, the democratic right to form the Thai government.
Backed by smaller parties as well
In addition, Yingluck enjoys the support of five smaller parties, taking the current government's total members of parliament (MPs) to around 340.
On the opposite side of the House, with only 159 MPs, is the Thai Democratic Party and allies led by Opposition Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva. Thus the Opposition commands only 32 percent of the House.
The Democratic Party's former secretary-general, Suthep Thaugsuban, resigned from his parliamentary position prior to the Election Commission seeking a court ruling to disqualify him from Parliament for alleged violation of the Thai Constitution.
Suthep is currently the leader of the so-called People's Democratic Reform Committee, which has been campaigning, sometimes in an aggressive, violent form, to not only overthrow the Yingluck government but to deny the people any re-election for a new government based on the ballot box.
He has also demanded that Prime Minister Yingluck be prosecuted on charges of insurrection for allegedly ‘trying to overthrow the Constitution', when ironically or unashamedly, Suthep himself has been the one facing an arrest warrant for allegedly the same charge.
He wants a new government that will be appointed (not elected), naturally by his so-called Reform committee or the cabal behind his brazen, provocative and illegal agitation. And from this appointed, meaning unelected new government, a new PM will be also royally appointed.
By making these demands, Suthep has effectively retired off the Election Commission of Thailand. Somehow he reminds me of a certain someone in Perkasa, though in our case, our Election Commission is fairly safe.
In the meanwhile, as PM Yingluck bravely restrains her Red Short supporters, Suthep Thaugsuban behaves extraordinarily as a government in parallel to Yingluck's democratically constituted one.
Snap election date fixed
Though Yingluck has called for a snap election for Feb 2, 2014, to determine once again the people's choice in a democratic forum, the forces led by and also behind Suthep won't have any of that, aware that a nationwide vote would likely return the far more popular Pheu Thai Party, thus explaining why they want instead an unelected or appointed government and a PM appointed by the Thai royalty to run the country.
Journalist Brian Klonoski wrote recently in the news media RYOT: "The recently rowdy streets of Bangkok were silent on Tuesday, thanks to a national holiday, but that didn't stop Suthep Thaugsuban - the former politician now leading protests - from giving speeches, issuing decrees and more or less attempting to establish a parallel government in Thailand.
"Despite lacking an ounce of authority, Thaugsuban continues to insist that his protest movement - which has drawn as many as 150,000 demonstrators in Bangkok - has more legitimacy than the elected government."
While the frightening thing is that despite lacking an ounce of authority, Suthep is being taken seriously by the conservative forces, including the powerful Thai Army. But then again, it is hardly surprising, as some of them are probably part of the cabal behind his destabilising campaign against the Yingluck government."
Thai Armed Forces invite Suthep
We learn today that the Thai Armed Forces have bizarrely invited Suthep to join the heads of the army, navy and air force at a seminar to be held tomorrow "to find a way out for Thailand", and that the supreme commander would be the mediator and other "stakeholders" would join them.
I suppose we may safely guess that when the Thai military invites such a rebel-rouser, one already facing a warrant of arrest for alleged violation against the Thai Constitution, PM Yingluck is hardly likely to be one of the ‘other stakeholders'.
Thus, while Suthep has effectively rendered the Election Commission redundant, the Thai Armed Forces in inviting Suthep, but not Yingluck, to a seminar to resolve Thailand's present political imbroglio, has done likewise to Yingluck Sinawatra, the legally and democratically-elected PM.
Will tomorrow's seminar involve appointing the ‘specially selected' people to form the new government, with one to be the royally-appointed new PM? Won't this elitist, undemocratic meddling marginalise the people of Thailand?
It is interesting to recall that on April 26, 2006, His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej addressed the Administrative and Supreme Courts' judges at Klai Kangwol Palace, where he said the following (only an extract):
"If the House is not filled by elected candidates, the democracy cannot function. If this is the case, the oaths you have just sworn in would be invalid. You have sworn to work for democracy. If you cannot do it, then you may have to resign. You must find ways to solve the problem."
"You cannot ask the King to make a decision, saying that the King has signed his signature. Article 7 does not say that the King has that authority. It does not.
"Look at Article 7. The article does not say that a constitutional monarchy means the King has the authority to make an order. I insist that I have never issued any order without basing them on directives of the articles of the Constitution, laws and Acts. I strictly and correctly have complied with the Constitution.
"People have asked for a royally-appointed prime minister, but there is not a rule for this; a prime minister is correctly royally endorsed every time. There may be people who say that King Rama IX likes to do what he wants, but I have never done that."
Thai elite fearing political awakening?
Based on his royal, most correct and most proper views on Thailand's constitutional monarchy some years ago, obviously the Thai king himself is hardly likely to be in support of the current attempt to overthrow a duly and democratically-elected government, nor in the undemocratic nonsense of a royally-appointed PM. Who then would be?
As Lizzie Presser wrote for the New York Times, it's all about the Thai elite (the royal aristocrats and old establishment) fearing the political awakening of the powerful peasant supporters of the Pheu Thai Party as a threat to their status quo, an awakening first brought about by Yingluck's brother, Thaksin Sinawatra and then continued by her. Hence, it is hardly surprising that Thaksin has been repetitively demonised by the aristocrats and conservative elites.
The old establishment wants to regain and retain their old power, their status quo so to speak, by any means, including questionable tactics as the current undemocratic and violent destabilising upheavals.
And that has been why Suthep Thaugsuban and his protesters could run around with impunity in Bangkok in their harassment and disruption of the legitimate government, while the police were 'advised' by the Army to 'take it easy'. I am not sure why, but I keep thinking of Perkasa again...
But what lesson does it hold for us in Malaysia, that a minority party, with some powerful backing, including those of the Army, could demand a new government, one to be appointed by 'the few' with a PM appointed by the royalty?
And you thought 46 percent of the popular votes was bad?
If you look at the interaction between Anwar Ibrahim & Thaksin very carefully, you would have realised that THEY ARE LIKE SWORN BROTHERS. In fact, Thaksin was the first person who accepted the IMF austerity programme just as Anwar wanted to follow the similar programme even though the so called old orders such as Madhater & Najib not approving of such move.
ReplyDeleteI am taken aback with the last sentence you are making......How can you mix both malaysia & thailand politics together?
While Pheu Thai party got 48% of popular votes, Democratic Party GOT ONLY FUCKING CIBAI 35% of popular vote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_general_election,_2011
As compared with Pakatan Rakyat UNDER YOUR NEMESIS ANWAR IBRAHIM WHICH DAP IS A GREAT PARTNER gotten 51% of POPULAR VOTES
while your loverboy Najib got 46% popular votes.......
That's also after every single FUCKING CIBAI MACHINERY ESPECIALLY ELECTION COMMISSION TO YOUR LOVERBOY, NAJIB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4DlbriED-o
2 FUCKING DIFFERENT THING.......ONE UNCLE HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS......JUST READ
http://zorro-zorro-unmasked.blogspot.com/2013/11/i-dont-give-flying-fuck-about-rulesif.html
SO LET'S MAKE IT EXTREMELY CLEAR.........I DARE TO SAY THAT NAJIB MAY ATTEMPT THE SAME TRICK HIS FATHER DID IF BN FUCKINGLY LOSE THE ELECTION.......PLEASE MAKE THIS DISTINCTION CLEARLY
the 46% in my last sentence refers to BN's share of votes in GE-13. My implied message was that compared to the Thai Democratic Party who's now the wannabe ruling party, at least BN had a higher and thus more decent percentage - gosh, do I have to explain thus to you?
DeleteSee this is a proof that you have soft spot towards Najib........Lets look at simple fact. Based on popular support
DeletePheu Thai Democratic Party
48% 35%
BN PR
47% 51%
THIS IS ONLY ONE ASPECT.........WHAT MORE I CAN SAY MAN......I THINK HISHAM RAIS SHOULD WALLOP YOU ON THIS..........We still haven't touched on election irregularities, election commission biasness, the now you see & now you don't edible ink........
Aiyooo...........
http://tukartiub.blogspot.com/2012/04/8-undang-untuk-menipu-pilihanraya-di.html
Oh by the way, this will never happen in Malaysia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqMvTeBGTW4
I am sorry, kaytee. I didn't revere Tunku as much as you do because Tunku did play PLENTY OF DIRTY TRICKS........WHICH IS EXTREMELY BELOW THE BELT
ReplyDeletehttp://www.scribd.com/doc/14758514/Stephen-Kalong-Ningkan-No-2-Use-of-Emergency-Powers
WHY USE EMERGENCY POWER AGAINST STEPHEN KALONG NINKANG? BY TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN HIMSELF. Ok, you can pin blame to his deputy. Under whose leadership that the local government election abolished & the introduction of ISA.
DID YOU KNOW THAT SABAH & SARAWAK NOT CONSULTED DURING TUNKU'S DECISION OF SINGAPORE EXPULSION? There you have it......Rule of fucking law.....More like Mao said.........Power comes from the barrel of the gun......
I think you better come back to malaysian politics
ReplyDeletehttp://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ros-insists-dap-operate-with-last-years-cec-pending-full-report-on-recent-e
Kaytee,
ReplyDeleteEven singapore notice how haprak malaysia system is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjGG5sxt0WM
Thailand and Malaysia have had very divergent histories.
ReplyDeleteAt the point of Independence, Malaysia inherited from its colonizers some rather strong institutions, and was led by people who took those institutions quite seriously. A respect for free elections, Parliament, an independent judiciary and a military which adhered to policy control by a civilian government. Imperfect, but recognised by its peers as of working standard. The Tunku was certainly serious about the spirit of the 1957 constitution.
Malaysia's chief current problem is a steady backsliding towards a corrupt and authoritarian state, though it started with a serious intention to emulate a Westminster style parliamentary democracy..
Thailand was never colonised - and here's one drawback - has no history of democracy. It was not until the 1997 constitution that Thailand had anything close to a recognisable rule by representative government. Everything before that was either absolute monarchy, or military outright rule or "guided".
So Thailand really has little basic democracy in its DNA.
It is no secret that the King wasn't a fan of Thaksin Shinawatra, but mind you, the relevant events were more than 10 years ago, when the King was a more vigorous person. I don't think he has the energy to bother much about slights and minor disrespects, real or imagined these days.
Its is unlikely the King has anything directly to do with Thaksin's ouster, or the current attempt to topple the current elected government of the Thaksin-aligned party, now led by his sister.
Thailand's "Royal establishment" is another matter. The coterie of High Ranking princes and palace bureaucrats are certainly not neutral in the struggle between the Yellows and the Reds.
In any strong system of elected government, Yingluck ought to be in an unassailable position. Unfortunately, Given Thailand's very thin democratic traditions, I would say her government is likely to be toppled in the near future.
excellent capture of Thailand's problem vis-a-vis Malaysia's
DeleteThe point is.......Thailand & Malaysia are different. Full stop. How can you simply justify your loverboy's situation while lumping them together. If you really need to compare. Perhaps, Taiwan or South Korea would be a better comparison. Why you just accept the fact that Najib is a rotten nangka.....aiyaa. Ask Ariff Sabri la
DeleteMalaysia is different from Thailand, but similar to Taiwan and Korea??? Don't confuse your own self, wakakaka
DeleteMy yingeland not as powderful as you are........Didn't I use the word, perhaps.......Oh come on la! Don't divert the issue so as to protect your loverboy la which is Najib Razak. Why can't you just report the Thai issue as it's? Get my drift
DeleteAlthough Thailand & Malaysia have divergent histories & political systems, it doesn't mean one is lesser than the other. America wants everyone to toe the line as per their democratic model but as one can see, each system works well for their own socio-political enviroment.
ReplyDeleteA few observations about Thailand:
1. Its an open & inclusive system even allowing Chinese to lead the country. The majority Thais do not have an issue on this. Importantly, the country is well run etc. Seeing the GDP especially contributive factors like tourism, agriculture and manufacturing (like Toyota etc) compared to Msia who has gas, oil, rubber & now renewed interest in tin, we are far behind.
Philippines has not even had a Chinese as elected leader, only predominant ruling & powerful Spanish clans.
2. The Thai King is revered in the country unlike any monarch in the region and he has great influence over the people. Some of their greatest rulers brought progress etc in the absence of political participation like Rama etc.
In Msia, the Agong is appointed on a rotational basis from a community of fellow royals. Brunei has no political system what so ever and is lead by the visionary & benelovant Sultan.
3. The army's role in Thai seems to be like a new flash point in Thai politics in a few comments. One should visit the Bangkok Royal Museum. King Taksin or the King of Thonburi was a soldier before being made ruler in the 18th century. The army has always played a part in Thai's political system. Taksin was also a Chinese.
4. The present predicament is not with indigenious Thai against Chinese or non-Thai BUT Chinese against Chinese. This is the sad part & has always been in the background of Thai politics for the last two decades.
Unfortunately, in this case, its the elite Chinese Bangkok class against a northerner from an ordinary background.
So how is Malaysia's Westminster system (28 million people) compare to that of Thailand's (70 million population) or even China' socialist state (that governs 1.3 billion people) or India's Westminister parliment (1.2 billion) and divided states or Russia's (142 million) convulated socialist-democratic one person rule?
Apple to apple, Malaysia should match up with Singapore since we share the same history, Westminister model and peoples. So how does Malaysia is rated? Against Thailand, any takers?
Importantly, is the system working for us? Talk national budget, education, race relations, corruption, arm forces, economy etc.... we may just need to keep quiet & let the Thai's do what they do best.
Given the current 'awakening' within the people (elites & commoners) of Thailand, one thing is VERY sure - within the next 10 yr, Thailand would be a current Taiwan/S Korea in making.
DeleteThe analysis of the Thai political development, vis-a-vis the cultural background, Thailand has more similarity with the Taiwan/S Korea of the early 60s. Called that the good-sided effect of the yellow peril, for those historical nix.
It's the same picture repeats, when the Taiwan/S Korea r playing catching-up game, with M'sia laughing out loud at the front during the 60s. There were no much differences then of the situations in Taiwan/ S Korea, with the exception of the monarch. But then, the dictators there, could very well be put into the same model as the Thai king, minus the king's reverence.
M'sia, with her one-sided socio-political development, entangled more & more with pseudo-islamic ingredients, would have to eat dust again, compare with Thailand, in this coming decade!
All this bcoz of the siege mentality of the ketuanan, imagined by a group of feudalistic people, manufactured & trumpet-on by their elites with threats, tongkat & religious hereafters slogans.
Somehow, KT's expected lesson would be well learn by the elites for its negativity.
For their commoners, it seems like a gone case scenario, unless these people is willing to discard their feudalistic thinking, wrt AlifBaTa!
That would be VERY fat chance, similar in magnitude of S'pore joining M'sia again!
Correct, the present president is of chinese origin. Secondly, Brunei is under absolute monarchical rule.Thai military is the main problem but then again what makes you think Malaysia would not do the same. Furthermore, Thaksin is not of ordinary man. He has his police clique which unfortunately got less banana as compared to the army.
DeleteHow to compare to singapore? Ok la, just to make kaytee ORGASM.....Singapore's election department is under PM's office. However, it's far more neutral than even aussie election commission. Ok la, far more competent.......
I got nothing against Thailand but really can't take the bullshit from jaytee who hijack the scenario in thailand just to protect his loverboy called Najib
The whole writeup by this joker called kaytee is to tell us to respect the rule of law.....Or is it rule by law.......Oh come on la, open your eyes & tell me if there is a rule of law in malaysia....why so many international MNCs agreement MUST BE arbitrated
DeleteKaytee tries to confuse the guillible folks by lumping 2 different issues together
Malaysia does not need the army to intervene.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/jamil-khir-states-to-take-charge-of-syariah-cops-roll-out-soon
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/opinion/zurairi-ar/article/today-the-shiah-tomorrow-you-and-me
In Iran, they are called the Republican Guards... Wakakakaka and they are Shia....
Cry all you want
ReplyDeleteAnwar tried many times to take control via Street Justice and FAILED
Malaysians are smarter than the Thais
But then still kenna screwed FOREVER & EVER........Just ask you & also kaytee, how did the white minority government SUCCUMBED to negotiation with ANC? Just think.......By rule of law......Which rule? Apartheid rule
DeleteYour another loverboy wanna be much greater than a bargainer.......Hahahaha if Lim Chong Eu had failed to get anything out of Tunku. Lee San Choon WAS FORCED to resign..........so you think ong tee keat can......still think that Rafizi would be mampus by more high moral standing Ong
ReplyDeletehttp://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=200631:an-exercise-in-futility-new-ong-tee-keat-to-fight-for-more-power-sharing-for-mca-in-bn&Itemid=2#axzz2nS9En3Kx
Which law you wanna follow......The one in the USA before the 60s........enjoy watching
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA
Anybody and everybody can have his/her say, but the Thai military has the last !
ReplyDeleteWhoever allows the protesters to run wild in bangkok is the king maker !
ReplyDeleteI lived and worked in Thailand for a few years back in the early 1990's. My observations at the time - the racism against the Chinese is structured and systemic and as strong as anything Perkasa could dream up.
ReplyDeleteThe number of Chinese schools in the country was exactly zero.
No Chinese characters were seen anywhere in public. No Chinese is ever spoken in public , in movies , on television or any public events or media or even private events outside of the house.
At that time, it was a big "liberalisation" when the Thai government for the first time allowed private colleges and language centres to offer Chinese language courses. The first private Chinese-medium school was approved in the late 1990's.
Today, Chinese language is widely taught privately in Thailand, mainly to leverage its lucrative trade with China, but that is a different story.
There was an outlet, which most of the ethnic Chinese followed.
If they took Siamese names, spoke the Siamese language, adopted Siamese customs and way of life, they were fully accepted into Thai society.
To borrow a Malaysian concept, they became "constitutional Thais".
These "constitutional Thais" had full access to the economic and educational system. Since the ethnic Chinese business and trading networks remained intact, many of these "constitutional Thai" businesses prospered. Today, they still dominate the Thai economy.
Their children could, and did eventually become Prime Ministers and top leaders in Thai society.
The bit the Thais left out was religion. Taoism and Pure Land Buddhism, which most Chinese follow, sits easily with the Siamese Thervada Buddhism, so there was no religious conflict.
See...the system is a lot like Malaysia.
Become a "Constitutional Local" and you become a first class citizen.
Ah...a bit like Malaysia, there is a certain truth that the political trouble makers on both the Reds and Yellows are "Constitutional Thais"....
What about - "Anwar Ktemoc" ?
Unlike Thailand, here in Malaysia it's not politics but the issue of non-negotiable non-compatible religions that make impossible the nationalistic integration of our society, so Anwar KTemoc is unlikely as compared to Ananda KTemoc or even Subianto KTemoc wakakaka
DeleteWait a minute, why can't go one religion further ?
DeleteThis time I got to agree with kaytee. Have you heard of Sonthi Boonyaratglin?
DeleteI knew a number of Thai Muslims when I was working in Thailand.
ReplyDeleteSonthi rose to the command of the Thai Army , but he was an exception.
Thai Muslims can be roughly split into two categories. Those who are culturally Siamese, but are Muslims by religion (usually because one or other Muslim ancestor ). Sonthi Boonyaratglin belongs to this group.
The other much larger group, mostly in the South, are culturally similar to Malays and the entire community are Muslims.
The Southern ("Malay") Thai Muslims have found themselves alienated and marginalised in the country's predominant Siamse-Buddhist society. The violence in Southern Thailand is not going away anytime soon.
Sonthi may be a Muslim but ethnically he's not a Malay but of Persian heritage
DeleteChanchai,
DeleteWe also know who's supporting the insurgents indirectly. Well the so called thai muslims can always cross over to malaysia to become constitutional malays.
Kaytee,
Syed Hamid & Hisham got turkish heritage. I am very sure there are plenty of persians in Malaysia.....Constitutional malays mah
Kaytee,
ReplyDeleteWhat can I say man? Don't mess with the Iban......Hahahaha
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/we-only-advised-iban-christians-to-move-banner-says-sarawak-cop
This film looks familiar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9jt1OHyagI
It's banned in Malaysia