Wednesday, January 21, 2015


The word (noun) 'motive' is defined in the dictionary as:

(a) something that causes a person to act in a certain way, do a certain thing, etc.; incentive,

and also:

(b) the goal or object of a person's actions, as in 'Her motive was revenge'.

Let us take a local example - eight years ago, on 02 March 2006, Malaysiakini reported in its news article Judge: Daims statement contemptuous! which incidentally featured Daim Zainuddin and Muhammad Shafee Abdullah, wakakaka, the following (note how the word 'motive' was used):

Court of Appeal judge Gopal Sri Ram today said that Daim Zainuddin could be hauled for contempt of court for his statement to the press in which the former finance minister questioned the court's motives in dragging his name into the Metramac scandal. 

"Daim told the press: 'I do not know what the court's motives are'. Our motives here is to do justice without fear and favour. And let me say this: This (Daim's) statement is contemptuous!

"We fear no one, however wealthy or however powerful they are. This institution does not fear anybody! We are the people who have sworn to uphold the constitution and interpret the acts of Parliament. 

"Are we to keep quiet when we see there is something wrong? Is it better to shut up and look like fools rather than to open our mouths and cast doubts?" 

The judge made the hard-hitting remarks while hearing arguments from DP Vijandran, the counsel acting on behalf of Metramac Corporation Sdn Bhd's lawyer Muhammad Shafee Abdullah, who is facing possible contempt proceeding for sending a letter of complaint against the judge.


No? What about another example, say, the Grasshopper of Shaolin which I posted yesterday displaying Sakmongkol AK47's piercing piece about 'motive', wakakaka.

Then, what about what Malaysiakini had published on 02 April 2009, in its article Prayers for Altantuya.

In that 2009 article it reported that PKR politicians (wakakaka), specifically Perak PKR state representatives Tai Sing Ng (Kuala Sepetang) and Chang Lih Kang (Teja), held a mini Chinese 'Cheng Beng' ritual to commemorate Altantuyaa's departed soul.

Very touching but what about Malaysians Preeshena Varshiny and Nurin Jazlin Jazimin? By the by, I hope, dear readers, as Malaysians you would still remember who Preeshena Varshiny and Nurin Jazlin Jazimin were!

Yes, as we can witnessed from the above two photos, poor Mongolian Altantuyaa was not even allowed to rest in peace - see my post Murdering Altantuyaa Shaariibuu Again in which I penned the thoughts of Altantuyaa's soul (extracts only):

But the loudest noises are they calling for ‘justice’
Though, I smile cynically, ‘twas not meant for me
Their shrill proclamations & belated outrage (sigh)
Startled even great Gujir Tngri and the 77 siqar

Grandstanding acrobatics, their excuse to dispense
With all norms, purportedly all for me (wry smile)
I must confess I view with scepticism and distaste
As I would professional chest-pounding mourners

Gnashing Colgate mint-flavoured peroxide-d teeth
Wretchedly wringing manicured Ulan oiled hands
Shedding date-expired plastic bags of lo-salt tears
Proclaiming to be 11th hour paragons of ‘justice’

Even Ataya Tngri rolled his ancient eyes upwards
While Emegelji Eji cackled with caustic laughter
The ancient pair could see abacus shaped hearts
Clicking furiously and shaming Casio calculators

By sheer speed of their computation of advantage
What to extract, exploit, extricate from my name
Squeezing the very last speck of desiccated blood
From my hyper cold shattered fragments of bones

Don't mind me if I ask, so what was the PKR politicians' motive in only mourning a slain Mongolian but not two wee Malaysian sweethearts?

Yes, what was their 'Motive'?

Anyway, with the 'mournful' help of PKR how-laam (mourners) we have arrived at the subject of Shaariibuu Altantuyaa. In Malaysia-Today RPK posted an article from the Malay Mail Online (which I couldn't find) titled PAS MAN SAYS WANTS TO MEET SIRUL TO DISCUSS ALTANTUYA MURDER MOTIVE.

In that post we are informed that Mahfuz Omar, PAS party information chief, wants to meet Sirul Azhar Umar, who was recently sentenced to hang for his crime of killing the slain Mongolian model. Mahfuz claimed Sirul's dear mummy "... had admitted that her son had merely been following orders when he killed Altantuya."

Mahfuz stated, “I do not challenge the court’s decision but I heard the mother said her son admitted to following orders to kill Altantuya. But what are the motives in killing Altantuya? Why did the court not reveal it?”

Mahfuz has a point there. The court should have revealed the motive.

The Malay Mail online report said that 'Mahfuz added that he did not see how Sirul or Azilah Hadri, his convicted accomplice, would have any personal reason to kill the Mongolian translator.'

We're back to motive again.

At that time I did have a suspicion on what might have been their motive but which of course would be only a possibility, but one that is unlikely to satisfy Pakatan and its supporters even if proven correct, wakakaka.

Okay, let me re-publish an old 2012 post of mine Motive for murder - seeking Confucius' help (with some minor editorial improvements on grammar, sentence flow, missing words, etc including an additional couple of sentences at its end, wakakaka) in which I alluded to that 'motive'.

At its end I would like to pose a question on 'motive' to Mahfuz Omar, and I hope he'll help me by answering it.


In my post The motives of love, lust, lucre and loathing I quoted famous crime author, P.D. James, who had served for thirty years in various departments of the British Civil Service, including the Police and Criminal Law Department of Great Britain's Home Office, as well as been a magistrate, that “All the motives for murder are covered by four Ls: Love, Lust, Lucre and Loathing.”

Everyone who has been following the Altantuyaa case including the most learned judge knows that Altantuyaa was blackmailing her ex lover Razak Baginda with such aggression that he became terrified enough to ask for special protection, so most would say there was initially love and lust in their relationship, and then when the passion and ardor turned cool and relationship soured, the blackmailing for money (lucre) kicked in, with the final outcome of loathing, probably of a mutual nature.

To some people it was an astonishing pronouncement by his Lordship that notwithstanding Razak Baginda’s possessing all the likely motives (which of course don't necessarily translate into criminal action), those motives couldn't be the basis to suspect him.

Thus it’s hardly surprising and perhaps also politically convenient (also a motive, wakakaka) that most Malaysians would cast their eyes on siapa godfather-nya?

Of course his close friendship with Najib plus alleged corrupt armed purchases have deepened the suspicions that there had been kow-tim-ness.

Those suspicions are all natural, logical and thus unavoidable, and coupled with the (lack of) reputation of our aleged kow-tim-able judiciary, have led to accusations that our Malaysian Don Corleone might had intervened. I'd go along with such suspicions.

Be that as it may, while it’s one thing to suspect Najib helping his buddy, it’s quite another to accuse Najib of being the killer or the man who gave the order to pull the trigger.

But that is the sentiment currently prevailing among PKR people who wants Najib implicated, not just as an accessory to the crime but as the prime suspect, the man who ordered the murder of Altantuyaa Shariibuu.

* and that's why when Siril and Azilah Hadri were found guilty and sentenced to death, many Pakatan supporters voiced their continuing dissatisfaction with that verdict. Look, they will never ever be satisfied until Ah Jib Gor is pronounced as guilty of Shaariibuu Altantuyaa's murder, regardless of evidence, facts or the truth, wakakaka.

And if they can't get him directly, they'll want to get him through his Big Mama, wakakaka.

All these started ages ago when the G.A.N (Gerakan Anti Najib) campaign was launched.

In my readings of the various available articles and news reports, I could not find a single shred of evidence of Altantuyaa harassing Najib, or waiting outside his (DPM) house to pounce on him. All I gleaned from those was Altantuyaa going after Razak Baginda, her former lover (or even alleged hubby).

Of course there was that alleged mysterious photograph of a threesome French dinner which PKR's Tian Chu loved to have (I suspect he still does even though he already has one which he quite cleverly 'developed' himself, wakakaka) and ...

... of course there's the late Balasubramaniam’s double SD’s (or was it triple - I have lost count). His words - allegedly told to him by Razak Baginda who in turn was allegedly told to him by Najib who in turn was allegedly told to him by Altantuyaa - were like treasure to those who want to finish off Najib, wakakaka.

Quite frankly, after reading the readers' comments in Malaysiakini on the judge’s dismissal of charges against Razak Baginda, such as “The 2 policemen had no motive to murder Altantuyaa” ... and ...

... as someone commented in my last post in Exploiting the murder of Altantuyaa Shariibuu that “The UTK goons who were convicted were just the idiots who shouted 'Aye Aye Sir' and carried out the orders. Who gave the order to drop the bomb?”, ...

... I came to the conclusion that even if the judge had called Razak Baginda to give his defence and he was subsequently found guilty, those baying out for blood would still not be satisfied.

No sirree, as mentioned above, not with Razak Baginda or even those already ‘found guilty’, namely Azilah Hadri and Sirul Azhar.

Just a reminder, the two policemen were the ones who were the last people with a still-alive Altantuyaa when they whisked her off from Razak Baginda’s house to her sad fate.

Those Malaysiakini readers want Najib’s head. They want him not just as an accessory to the murder (in helping Razak Baginda) but as the murderer.

Why? I suppose we could ask: what's their motive? Wakakaka.

To end this post, I am seeking the help of an ancient Chinese to help me conclude my piece about a possible motive. Kǒng Zǐ or Confucius said that “A picture is worth a thousand words”, so please have a look at the following pictures (or photographs).

Altantuyaa Shariibuu was undoubtedly a very beautiful woman. 

[please note that in my original 2012 post I had mistakenly posted above photographs as those of Altantuyaa, when actually they were of South Korean model U Nee, but nonetheless I continue to use them here as we have been often told that Altantuyaa was no less beautiful, and thus to make a point with Confucius help]

Okay a quick revision, P.D. James said “All the motives for murder are covered by four Ls: Love, Lust, Lucre and Loathing.”

But I don’t suppose any of above photographs can answer the comment in Malaysiakini: “The 2 policemen had no motive to murder Altantuyaa” even with P.D James' advice?

Okay then, in that case I might recall for readers the sad murder of another equally beautiful woman, namely, Canny Ong, whose murder can be read here, here and here.

So having arrived at the end of my rather long-ish post, as promised I would now like to ask Mahfuz Omar what was the motive in the rape and murder of Canny Ong?

Datuk, please ignore your colleague's reason of 'divine wrath' and choose from P.D James' four Ls: Love, Lust, Lucre and Loathing”.


  1. Beauty = troubled-water !

  2. I don't mean to belittle their tragic deaths, but neither Preeshena Varshiny and Nurin Jazlin Jazimin were blown up by military-grade plastic explosives, by people closely associated with the Prime Minister of Malaysia.
    That makes Altantuya's death a matter of grave public interest, the way the other two are not.

    1. oh dear oh dear, what makes you opine that the deaths of two Malaysian girls have not been of public concerns?

      and thus, thank you for agreeing with me (indirectly, wakakaka) that the frequent PKR mourning for and invocation of the name of Altantuyaa has been nothing to do with their sympathy for her nor of publci concerns (see above paragraph) but all about their party and leaders' political interests

  3. All women ( well, almost all) chase beauty, and some manage to leverage it into great success , position and power.
    Many, however, find beauty a curse, a burden, as physical beauty often attracts unwelcome and negative forces. Sometimes, the ending is tragic as in Altantuya's case, Canny Ong and the most famous of all in recent history, Diana Princess of Wales.

  4. “A picture is worth a thousand words”

    Just like music a picture can evoke a different kind of feeling to the person who looks at it. It transmits a message with a powerful impact which is not attainable by mere words.

    A picture also transmits a hidden message “What it shows invokes what is not shown” (John Berger). The hidden message is equally powerful and strong it would be enough to make a real difference to the way people think and act.

    A poem by Edmund Rudolph Teske:

    Summation of the life experience
    Exquisite focal point of all being
    Aromatic distillation
    And Ultimate

    I agree the motive for murders could be love, lust, lucre and loathing. And I also agree Altantuyaa Shariibuu was a very attractive and beautiful woman.

    I look at her pictures – pictures that cling to the hope the audience can assist to bring home and convey the truth.

    - hasan

  5. "But that is the sentiment currently prevailing among PKR people who wants Najib implicated"

    u show yr bias again, unless u know no one from dap.

    "Love, Lust, Lucre and Loathing" u have any proof baginda alone gave instruction? otherwise what make u think others' speculation is baseless? or perhaps the 2 policemen motive is to help najib, bec najib want to help his buddy, wa tolong lu, lu tolong wa?

    1. oh my dear HY, in your usual PKR-ish anger at me, you forgot what I wrote, namely, that: "To some people it was an astonishing pronouncement by his Lordship that notwithstanding Razak Baginda’s possessing all the likely motives (which of course don't necessarily translate into criminal action), those motives couldn't be the basis to suspect him."

      note in particular "... which of course don't necessarily translate into criminal action"

      again I invite you to read my post above where I also have written:

      "Of course his close friendship with Najib plus alleged corrupt armed purchases have deepened the suspicions that there had been kow-tim-ness."

      "Those suspicions are all natural, logical and thus unavoidable, and coupled with the (lack of) reputation of our alleged kow-tim-able judiciary, have led to accusations that our Malaysian Don Corleone might had intervened. I'd go along with such suspicions."

      "Be that as it may, while it’s one thing to suspect Najib helping his buddy, it’s quite another to accuse Najib of being the killer or the man who gave the order to pull the trigger."

      note in particular "... have led to accusations that our Malaysian Don Corleone might had intervened. I'd go along with such suspicions."

      does that answer your "... bec najib want to help his buddy, wa tolong lu, lu tolong wa"?

      and as I have said "... while it’s one thing to suspect Najib helping his buddy, it’s quite another to accuse Najib of being the killer or the man who gave the order to pull the trigger."

      or shall we drag Najib out to the PKR buah langsat tree and hang him a la the American Wild West vigilante "justice" system as no doubt you and your mateys prefer? wakakaka

    2. "... while it’s one thing to suspect Najib helping his buddy, it’s quite another to accuse Najib of being the killer or the man who gave the order to pull the trigger."

      y not? the operative word of my comment is 'help', how he help n why he help. n my point is everyone is speculating, of course including u n me, y a murder case attract so many speculation? n what make u think u know more than us? or those from pkr? since u mentioned 4l, can u be more specific which l?

    3. speculations should be based on evidence, even circumstantial evidence but nonetheless a form of evidence. What you are doing is syiok sendiri speculation in the hope of enmeshing Najib incrime so as to make way for your Mr Manmanlai, wakakaka

  6. KT, u forget about that Biggest crayfish behind the rock - what is yr motive in writing this piece (highly defending rosmansjib with so little mentioned words!!!!!!)?????

    What's in there in the 4Ls for u?

    Surely not Altantuyaa??????

    1. the 4L's could only be raised when I murder, say, looes74 wakakaka

      what is my motive for writing this - firstly I am a blogger which makes my motive blogging on interesting topic for discussions, as per my blog's purpose or if you like, motive, namely "A meeting place to exchange views, no matter how different or diverse these may be. Keeping these civil and courteous would be appreciated"

      secondly, I find the lack of solid evidence to suspect Najib, other than the hearsay words of a wishy washy zigzagging Balasubramaniam who I suspect was sadly "used" by one party or the other, or both, and thus want to highlight the insubstantial accusations against Najib (hope he reads this and send me a huge red packet for CNY, wakakaka)

  7. You want to know the motive? ??
    You can't handle the motive! !!! ....wakakakaka. ..

  8. It is speculated that with Sirul out in Australia, beyond the clutches of Malaysia's power elite, some very, very powerful people are shivering in their shoes, in their pants and in the Balls....

    1. he had the chance to say all in court, in full view of reporters and observers - in fact whatever he says now would be considered like what his mum (all mums) has said

  9. I add this as a postscript to my post

    sadly, contrary to pre-appeal wild speculations/predictions (that the two murderers would be freed because they were acting on behalf of an important person) they were sentenced to death on appeal by the prosecution

    by any logical or fair thinking, that should have put paid to speculations that the so-called bigshot behind them would have them released or spirited away to a luxurious life somewhere, but alas, nasty dirty politics prevail so why waste the opportunity to continue flinging poo, in the hope that some will stick (which unfortunately for Najib it has)

    1. Have to agree that there's really no hard evidence for anyone to come out and boldly claim that Najib is in fact the murderer. But unfortunately for him, the public at large have formed their opinions right from the very start when this whole case came to light because of too many bits and pieces and events which APPEAR to all come together to paint a damning picture as far as the PM is concerned.

      Not a single credible person came out to answer all those loose end questions swirling in the inquiring minds of millions of people following this case which dragged on for years.

      Foremost in most minds is this : they know Najib is someone who has the reputation as a 'survivor at all cost'....some one who always likes to 'play safe'. This type will NEVER blatantly come out on a limb to save a friend in desperate need at the risk of hurting even a strand of hair on his own head. It is all about Me, Myself and I for our PM. His own skin come first.

      So to most minds, even if they do think the PM's kawan is neck deep in the murder of his ex mistress, it is inconceivable for our PM to just jump in headlong to protect his friend to the extent that he got off scot free. Most would come to the conclusion that there is more to this than meets the eye. For that Baginda guy, he would need some one very very very powerful, like a NUMBER ONE in the country to pull the kind of strings ( cable, more likely ) to escape the hangman's noose. Who else but the PM who fits the bill as the only one powerful enough to do this. BUT what's in this for the PM ? Definitely not for altruistic reasons....not our PM, oh no !

      This is the thinking of most the public following this case. Most of the public feels there IS something more complicated behind this blowing up of the Mongolian beauty and the whole truth is not out yet. It is not just PR members trying to fling poo at the PM although of course the opposition will not let such a golden opportunity to just slip by.

    2. wasn't AAB then the number one? I recall that during the court case, Baginda Razak cried and screamed expletives at AAB

      so if you reckon Najib was too concerned about his own skin to even help a friend, would you be suggesting another big BIG shot was involved, though not for, as you pointed out, altrustic reasons

    3. Let put some conspiracy theories into yr spins - after all this is what they actually r.

      Yes, the court had sentenced the two accused to be hanged after all the prime time shows.

      But...but..until now all we saw were two masked men, covered head to toe, been presented to the courts, from the initial till the highest court of the land!.

      Were they who they claimed to be named?

      Why the super-leniency in precedent in this regard by the court processes, which were unknown of in the past history.

      Nobody, outside the circus who pull the string, knew! Yes?

      So what made of that, now, even if their actual identity has been disclosed?

      In the current setting, one is at large, safely been protected from hanging by escaping to a foreign country that has abolished death penalty. The other remains in the land where a legal dilemma has been set - how could u hang one while the other accomplice cant be touch due to diplomatic issue.

      So, u delay the hanging, or better still convert the death to life by the grace of the Agong, showcasing the 'equality' of the penalty commuted to both accused. Bravo...Right?

      It still all boils down to a very well orchestrated legal soap opera, worthy of an Oscar, just like the whole killing part!

      Meanwhile the truth schemers remain untouchable & unknown (??) while the REAL motive (the 4Ls????) been ignored till kingdom comes. Yes?

    4. so mine writing has been spins while yours isn't, wakakaka

      how about that silly lil' word called "evidence"?

      if a bigshot was indeed involved, why did he allow the affair to reach a stage when the two murderers were arrested, charged and on appeal by the prosecution (why bother?), sentenced to death? your conspiracy is far too implausible, wakakaka, aimed really at involving Najib rather than based on evidence or logic

    5. typo above, "my writing", not "mine writing"

    6. What about the case of the missing immigration record of Altantuyaa & her cousin?

      Who 'ordered' the deletion of all these records?

      Or u would like to say that after all our border is too porous to prevent them from slipping in & out....wakakakaka

      BTW, Baginda's wife was screaming at AAB for claiming that he was not the one interested to be the PM... That could be a parting warning to AAB about najib's goal. Yes?

      So, when quoting public known cases, do double check yr source &/or memory!!!!

      However, there is still a remote possibility of Sirul spills the bean in the Oz court, so as not to come back yo face the hanging. Time will tell..

    7. Yes, kaytee.......Yours are merely spins. Buay song hah.......sue me lor

    8. The new Bao Gong has made things very difficult to understand for everyone! -huaren

    9. that time, AAB was the Prime Minister. But it seemed apparent that he was not linked to Baginda in this Altantunya case at all. However, Najib was. Or it was made out to be or seemed to be, what with the murdered lady being involved in the Scorpene commission sharing, with other rumours about another type of 'sharing' too.

      Najib then was on the way to be in the number one seat....and the fact that Baginda's lawyer wifey coming out screaming outside the courthouse that " my husband is not the one wanting to be PM" in the very beginning of the case is not doing Najib one bit of good, in fact, it is very very is imperative for him to do the 'necessary' at all cost to get rid of all obstacles for him to reach the throne.

      Like mentioned, it required person/s much much more powerful and have more authority than Baginda to be able to manipulate stuff behind the personnel getting hold of C4, erasing entry record of the Mongolian ladies from the Immigration database...and many many more such shenanigans.....all these need the kind of power and authority that Baginda just simply don't have.

      In the end....even with the final judgement already meted out (after so many years), the public is still in the dark because so many questions are still out there. As long as there are still doubts are there, Najib is not above suspicion, if not for the actual murder, at least for being complicit in it.

    10. Yes, hence according to kaytee's argument, Richard Nixon should be absolved all his responsibilities in the WaterGate Scandal. After all, nobody was blown to pieces and it's simply a burglary case.

    11. Re-read this;

      'Let put some conspiracy theories into yr spins - after all this is what they actually r.'

      So, am I not providing alternatives to yr SPINS?

      U keep mentioning about missing of evidences that linked rosmanajib, then what CAN u provide to 'de-link' them?

      Oh.... u r going to say - innocent until proven. right?

      Then why not the allowed rigorous incestigation processes in searching for the truth, especially allowing querying the immediate boss of the two accused, who was closely connected to rosmanajib?

      Dont u think if the prosecutor had done a decent job in doing so, some truth COULD be recovered - whether to linked or delinked rosmanajib? Why the reluctance?

      Why keeping the BIG question of the motive out while setting the two accused free during the appellate court phrase? Wasnt that thrown yr 4Ls straight out of the window of Palace of Justice?

      In fact the continuation of this Altantuyaa sage, right till the latest Federal court, STRONGLY suggested a later salvage attempt to recovery the earlier blunders in trying to smoothing out the case.

      This is in najib's character in handling crisis. The later part of the show is more of the bloated cucumber's fable salvage attempt, so as to remain the flom of bolihland!

    12. so far all comments have been speculations - for example, Altantuyaa's immigration entry record might have been missing but did that indicate Najib was the culprit (as you no doubt want it to be). We know that passports have been issued illegally left, right and centre, so shall we again blame Najib too?

      Secondly, Razak Baginda's wife cursing or screaming "My husband is not the one wanting to be PM" could well also indicate her being angry at AAB for the PM's (speculating as I did not hear what AAB did to make Razak's wife screamed at him) voiced intention to get Razak Baginda, with her telling AAB her husband is not AAB's competitor.

      As I have said, these are all speculations but no more than what you have done, wakakaka

      What we need for a start should be evidence of Altantuyaa harassing Najib. This was not apparent,

      All thus far we have clung on to the late Balasubramaniam' words, a man who had shown his zigzag-ness

    13. as for the C-4, you can buy that in Thailand. Besides, the malaysian armed forces has been notorious for "missing" weapons

    14. Simply because Jibby is the PM. The buck stops with Jibby. Else, Robiin Cook and even Richard Nixon can get away with their "crimes"

      That cibai jibby will never survive under rigorious investigative nature of the americans

    15. Dear jibby hugger,

      Do read this;

      U might be able to get more juicy bits from the Ozzie press, since u r hibernating there.

      Let the show begins before jibby forces the hand of Tony to repatriate sirul before any further damage to the bloated flom's reign!

  10. One bird has escaped to Kangalooland all on its own without any help. Prior to gaining its freedom, it didn't know people here don't kill bitds. Also not aware that they won't send birds away to die. -huaren

  11. The other bird would be kept in cage as pet for some time before being released into the wilderness. -huaren

  12. As free as birds. Ali Jalil in Sweden, Tan US, RPK UK and Sirul Australia. Anyone needs to face justice? -huaren

  13. Weren't the two Ah jib's personal security detail from SB..surely Baginda will need clearance from the attack hound's master ,to sic them on the lady .,unless they were moonlighting for Baginda but then they will still need consent from their master , and that still makes him complicit to a heinous deed.,if the mastermind allegations cannot stick. Accomplice to a murder is still an abhorrent crime, or aiding an abetting perhaps , or just knowing and not reporting a murder is still illlegal, ,

    1. you could be right which has been why I wrote:

      "Of course his close friendship with Najib plus alleged corrupt armed purchases have deepened the suspicions that there had been kow-tim-ness".

      "Those suspicions are all natural, logical and thus unavoidable, and coupled with the (lack of) reputation of our aleged kow-tim-able judiciary, have led to accusations that our Malaysian Don Corleone might had intervened."

      "I'd go along with such suspicions."

      However, the term 'moonlighting' usually means the regular boss won't know about it

    2. It actually intrigues me more as to why the extreme measure to silence Altantuya? Is it because She knew too much? Or she had the gumption to come to Malaysia and wreak havoc,threatening to blow up the shady sheenanigans for public consumption,becoming a real threat and liability to one's ascent to the throne..or was it simply because they didn't want to pay her a dime ,out of spite and they have been stringing her along all the time, promised commision, never intended to honor, -and she is gullible and stupid enough to come to this country-their turf and making demands verging on blackmail /extortion- presenting herself like meat on a chopping block -(btw there is still the alleged hearsay angle of the rage of spiteful and ambitious spouse..lord knows what women are capable off to shield her man that he may be king) -just mulling here!
      As for the dynamically sinister duo Ah Jib / Baginda, in the minds of the malaysian public,it seems much like a foregone conclusion, that they are guilty till proven innocent. !

    3. in a democracy society is governed by, among many things, the Rule of Evidence

    4. Agreed with the rule of evidence ,yet although forensic evidence is lacking,do not underestimate the validity of circumstantial evidence ,that can be used for inference to corroborate conclusions ,especially when the scorpene purchase, the c4,the mysterious evaporation of immigration records, link of the ,2 personal bodyguards, the SD statements by Bala,and ostensible meeting witth a Razak, police statement by the SB guys detailing how they whacked the lady., -are like "smoking guns" to sum up and draw the inferences into a logical assumption,connecting the dots-as it were-which the public has already done..Can't say the same for our esteemed judiciary though.

  14. "As for C-4 you can buy it in Thailand "... Ktemoc is so intent on defending Ah Jib Kor he's bullshitting.
    There were numerous cases of bombings in Southern Thailand during the insurgency, but all involved IEDs using dynamite and fertiliser bombs.
    There is no evidence Plastic explosives are easily available in Thailand.

    1. Good Lord, are you now talking about "EVIDENCE"? No more syiok sendiri speculation? Aiyoyo, you are so INTENT on accusing and implicating Ah Jib Gor you're now bullshitting as if you know what's available or not available in Thailand, wakakaka

    2. Aiyoyo, you are so INTENT on WHITE-WASHING Ah Jib Gor, you're now bullshitting as if you know what's available or not available in Thailand!

      Aint this the point u r looking for;

      'There were numerous cases of bombings in Southern Thailand during the insurgency, but all involved IEDs using dynamite and fertiliser bombs.
      There is no evidence Plastic explosives are easily available in Thailand.'

      U know it's is circumstantial "EVIDENCE" & yet u r still dying to wakakaking yr 'assignment through!

      What gives???????

  15. Sirul, if you are a good person, you must come out and set things strait. There is no doubt about it. Please don’t embarrass your religion.

    Goodbye Altantuyaa…
    May you ever grow in our hearts
    You were the beauty and grace
    Until it lost its shine
    When your live was blown apart

    And even though we try
    The truth brings us to tears
    All our words cannot express the sadness
    That you brought us through the years

    Goodbye Altantuyaa…
    From a country lost
    The feeling and compassion
    Though we will still miss you
    more than you'll ever know

    [Lyrics from Goodbye England Rose, with changes]

    - hasan

    1. This bird has not sung the song of truth for the past 8 years. Probably lost the ability to sing. Nothing to do with religion. -huaren

  16. Rewind back to October 2006.

    The intended narrative in the Altantuya case was
    a) No trace of anyone like Altantuya found in Malaysia, either alive or dead. - Bukit Aman, Federal Police.
    (Hence the reason for using C-4, in a secluded jungle area, leaving behind nothing resembling a human body).
    b) No trace of anyone named Altantuya Shaaribu entering Malaysia. - Immigration Department.
    (Hence the reason for erasing her immigration records)

    If events ended there, that would have been enough to bury the story. Nothing to do with Malaysia.

    For people who demand to see evidence in front of their noses, any subsequent rumours which arise about Malaysian policemen killing a Mongolian woman would have been dismissed as wild allegations and disgusting PKR political machinations.

    It was a brilliant plan, and I have no doubt it took some Very, Very Powerful Person to move this plan.

    We are not (not YET) North Korea. Such a murderous operation still needs to be done covertly, not openly. The key to a covert operation is the minimum number of people need to know about it.
    But things unravelled quickly.

    Altantuya took a taxi with her cousin Namira to Baginda's house.
    The taxi driver logged the trip with his radio-control centre. (1st complication)
    Azila and Sirul forced Altantuya into Sirul's car.
    Namira and the taxi driver saw the incident, and Namira noted down the car number plate (2nd complication)
    Namira reported the incident to a local Police station. All the particulars are on the Police report (3rd complication)

    In the early morning hours next day, local Orang Asli in the Puncak Alam area heard a loud explosion. A report was made to local Police. (4th complication)
    Local Police went there and found a crime scene. No human body was found, but the remains strewn around were tested to be human.
    Local Police (unrelated to the conspirators) opened a murder investication (5th complication)

    By that time easily dozens of people knew various portions of the picture, and even the Very Powerful Person would have found it impossible to silence or "disappear" all of them.
    The Very Powerful Person would now have been chiefly concerned with ensuring his role in this was untraceable. He may have helped out his Close Buddy, but Sirul and Azilah were "expendable". And it is obvious. He has not lifted a finger to get them off the hook.
    The fiction of Malaysian Judicial Independence is very useful in such a case.

    I do not know who the Very Powerful Person is, so I will not accuse him here.

    1. equally I could say your last 2 paragaphs ares syiok sendiri speculations - okay, disprove me

  17. In September 2006, if I told you a story about two elite specially trained policemen, members of a Very Senior Politician's personal guard, would be caught and found guilty to have blown up a Mongolian beauty into a thousand pieces , using C4 Plastic Explosives, you would rightly dismiss it as the rantings of someone high on drugs.

  18. That a Mongolian beauty was blown up by Najib's UTK (Special Forces) bodyguards is just a nasty rumour invented by Anwar Ibrahim for GAN purposes.