For an Ayer Itam Chinese family, as for many Penang Chinese and Indian families, we support DAP because it has been the voice of those who saw/see themselves as the marginalized, disenfranchised, and (thus) aggrieved.
Yes, some Chinese in Malaysia have become extremely rich under the Perikatan-BN government, while many (being typical overseas Chinese) just got on with their livelihood and lives, even comfortably, though quite a few (the unseen) scrapped by day after day.
The general fact is that there's no chronic poverty for the Chinese in Malaya (I'm going to restrict my comments to the Peninsula); please read my qualification in the word 'general' which means there have been a few cases of utter poverty as in the case of 2 fallen by the wayside but we cannot deny these were the exceptions.
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| Chinese slums in Penang though the residents don't starve |
On my assertion that in general there is no chronic poverty in Malaysia (or at least Peninsula Malaysia) I have no doubt some Indians would disagree most vociferously. I accept their arguments, though I have attempted to trace the cause behind the rather stark difference in the fate of Chinese and Indian Malaysians in general, in an earlier post Marginalization of Indians - the true story.
When I wrote that post, I believe I was in many ways influenced by an essay I read as an HSC student, one written by (I think, 'twas years ago) Dr Ramakrishnan on the difference between Chinese and Indian attitudes, in which he epitomised the former as adhering to the Confucian advice of 'revering the gods but keeping them at a distance' while he lamented that in every aspects of an Indian life, religion (and its sanctified caste system) was deeply entrenched, and full of obstructing 'sacred cows'.
Anyway, overseas Chinese have been required by survival to be pragmatic. In fact pragmatism would by necessity have to be a fundamental overseas Chinese doctrine.
Thus some Chinese (and indeed some Indians) seeing the DAP as the voice of the marginalized, disenfranchised and aggrieved, while at the same time wishing to remain pragmatic, came up with what has jokingly been referred to as the 'Penang Strategy', that of electing and sending DAP MPs to Parliament to 'make mucho noise' for their rights on education and associated issues such as schools, scholarships, recognition of degrees, etc, while electing BN ADUNs wakakaka for Penang's economic and infrastructural development.
In other words, continue with the daily necessity of '3 bowls of rice' while hoping for the best possible outcome in educational opportunities, for as I have so often written, education has been a central pillar of Chinese culture for thousands of years.
Hmmm, I wonder where in Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs would the Chinese obsession for good standard and higher education be placed, as opposed to sex addiction, wakakaka.
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| Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs |
Thus until the 2008 political tsunami, just as an example, courageous Khalsa warrior, Bhai Karpal Singh (more popularly known as the Lion of Gelugor or in earlier times, the Tiger of Jelutong) and equally courageous Uncle Lim would be sent off to Parliament to raise hell over rights and governance issues because MCA, MIC and Gerakan parliamentarians would be obsequiously dumb, while despised Koh Tsu Koon continued to be elected as an ADUN in the expectation of him becoming Penang's CM, at least in name, for Penang's domestic developments.
Some UMNO hotheads in Penang had from time to time demanded the CM post for an UMNO man because it was the BN party with the most number of ADUNs in Penang (but only because it had cleverly 'divided & conquered' MCA and Gerakan). But Putrajaya (and before that, KL) knew the appointment of an UMNO man as CM would undoubtedly alienate the Chinese voters as well as MCA and Gerakan in Penang to an extent the two Chinese based parties - and let's not pretend Gerakan is not 99.9% Chinese - might (a loud UMNO gasp here) combine to outnumber UMNO ADUNs just to ensure a Chinese is CM Penang.
A Chinese being CM Penang has never been an issue for UMNO but a combined MCA-Gerakan would be disastrous for its deeper strategy of keeping the two BN Chinese based parties divided and enervated, so as to continue being meek and compliant subordinates.
Yes, UMNO don't fancy a MCA that's too strong, arrogant or/and defiant as it saw in Lim Chong Eu (when he was MCA president), Lee San Choon, Lee Kim Sai, Tan Koon Swan and Ong Tee Keat (the last may be embraced by a desperate Najib for GE-13, only because of his personal popularity in Pandan).
The preferred type of Chinese partner UMNO love are people like Koh Tsu Koon and Liow 'my beloved PM' Tiong LIE, wakakaka.
There was already an unwelcome precedent in Chinese political parties and NGOs converging in political thoughts and meeting at the Hainanese Association Building just beside the Thean Hou Temple in KL on 11 October 1987.
The meeting was organized by Dong Jiao Zong (the association of Chinese school teachers and trustees) to protest against a policy of UMNO Education Minister, a man by the name of Anwar Ibrahim wakakaka, for what they perceived as a surreptitious move to undermine vernacular education in his ministry's move to send about 100 non-Chinese educated principals to Chinese vernacular schools.
A Chinese being CM Penang has never been an issue for UMNO but a combined MCA-Gerakan would be disastrous for its deeper strategy of keeping the two BN Chinese based parties divided and enervated, so as to continue being meek and compliant subordinates.
Yes, UMNO don't fancy a MCA that's too strong, arrogant or/and defiant as it saw in Lim Chong Eu (when he was MCA president), Lee San Choon, Lee Kim Sai, Tan Koon Swan and Ong Tee Keat (the last may be embraced by a desperate Najib for GE-13, only because of his personal popularity in Pandan).
The preferred type of Chinese partner UMNO love are people like Koh Tsu Koon and Liow 'my beloved PM' Tiong LIE, wakakaka.
There was already an unwelcome precedent in Chinese political parties and NGOs converging in political thoughts and meeting at the Hainanese Association Building just beside the Thean Hou Temple in KL on 11 October 1987.
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| Thean Hou Temple seen by Mahathir as Shaolin? wakakaka |
The meeting was organized by Dong Jiao Zong (the association of Chinese school teachers and trustees) to protest against a policy of UMNO Education Minister, a man by the name of Anwar Ibrahim wakakaka, for what they perceived as a surreptitious move to undermine vernacular education in his ministry's move to send about 100 non-Chinese educated principals to Chinese vernacular schools.
As mentioned, because education has always been a central pillar of Chinese culture, all Chinese based parties in Malaysia then, namely, MCA and Gerakan and other Chinese based parties (SUPP?), and those dependent on Chinese support, DAP, had no choice but to participate in the Dong Jiao Zong organized meeting if they wished to survive politically. All in all, the attendance at that gathering was 2000 strong.
Action saw Newtonian's reaction, with a young Najib as UMNO Youth Chief's voicing his jaguh-ness to bathe his keris with Chinese blood becoming today's political legend, much as he may wish to forget about it.
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| KTK thinking BIG, bigger than UMNO Hisham looking on in either admiration or envy wakakaka |
BN was by then caught in its own acrimonious vortex, with UMNO condemning MCA (though I believe, not Gerakan) and asking for the resignation of MCA deputy president, Lee Kim Sai, while the Chinese side called for Anwar Ibrahim's resignation.
Mahathir launched Ops Lalang against what he described as a Shaolin-like Chinese rebellion*, an ISA draconian devious dragnet which today is blamed on him and Najib, the latter for his blood bathing keris theatrical antic, but very few Pakatan Chinese supporters remember or want to remember it was Anwar Ibrahim who as Education Minister started that near-May 13-like dispute.
* He said, words to the effect, 'we know what happened historically when Chinese gathered together at a Chinese temple to protest against government policies'.
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| Shaolin Temple in China equally controversial but less ostentatious than KL's Thean Hou Temple |
Wikipedia states: Operation Lalang resulted in the arrest of 106 people under the Internal Security Act. Among the more prominent detainees were opposition leader and DAP Secretary-General Lim Kit Siang, ALIRAN President Chandra Muzaffar, DAP Deputy Chairman Karpal Singh, MCA Vice President and Perak Chief Chan Kit Chee, PAS Youth Chief Halim Arshat, UMNO MP for Pasir Mas Ibrahim Ali, and UMNO Youth Education Chairman Mohamed Fahmi Ibrahim. Other prominent non-political detainees included Dong Jiao Zhong (Chinese Education Associations) Chairman Lim Fong Seng, Publicity Chief of the Civil Rights Committee Kua Kia Soong, and WAO member Irene.
Besides that, there was also another detainee called Hilmy Noor, a Malay Christian, who was accused for "disrupting the Malay culture by being a Christian" ....
The detainees were kept at the usual place used for ISA detainees, at Kamunting Detention Centre.
Although most of the detainees were released either conditionally or unconditionally, 40 were issued detention order of two years. Included were Lim Kit Siang and Karpal Singh plus five other party colleagues, a number of PAS members and many social activists.
Although most of the detainees were released either conditionally or unconditionally, 40 were issued detention order of two years. Included were Lim Kit Siang and Karpal Singh plus five other party colleagues, a number of PAS members and many social activists.
A categorization of the initially named detainees, numbering 97, gives the following breakdown: political parties: 37; social movements: 23; individuals: 37.
Apart from above, there were two other losers, namely, (a) The Star newspaper which was banned for several months and which lost its once-independent news coverage when it was permitted to re-publish, and (b) Lee Kim Sai, the MCA deputy president who had his datukship withdrawn by the Selangor (former late) Sultan on the instigation of Najib and his UMNO Youth because of nasty exchanges of words with UMNO Youth.
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| Lee Kim Sai |
At last I come to the two vexing questions on a future DAP which trouble me somewhat, namely:
(a) Will DAP become another MCA?
(b) How will DAP deal with its Pakatan ally, an increasingly arrogant and hudud-hungry and hudud-impatient PAS?
Let's deal with the first part of the first question by asking some of my own questions.
When we ask will DAP become another MCA, would we be assuming that DAP will be in government, of course not by itself, wakakaka! This in turn could mean one of the following:
(a) Pakatan assumes majority rule after GE-13 and remains intact in its original form of coalition (in Peninsula, PKR, PAS, DAP - I am not sure of the status of PSM in the coalition),
(b) 'Malay unity' coalition kicks in, especially in a hung parliament, and form the new government with an offer to DAP to join the new coalition to look after Chinese and Indian affairs, and
(c) BN continues majority rule after GE-13, but with a demolished or near-demolished MCA and MIC, invites DAP to join the new BN government, purportedly a la Tun Razak's concept of 'national unity' to be the voice for Chinese and Indian affairs, but in reality, more to destabilise the cohesion of a post GE-13 Pakatan so as to destroy it as a future formidable opposition.
The second part of the first question would invite another series of my own questions, on what sort of MCA that DAP is feared of becoming, namely:
(i) the Lim Chong Eu type of MCA which demanded to be an equal partner to UMNO, admittedly unsuccessfully because of MCA internal opposition by pro UMNO faction led by Tan Siew Sin, or
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| Lim Chong Eu |
(ii) the Lee San Choon type of MCA which showed two-fingers to an UMNO but nonetheless where Lee had to leave because UMNO couldn't accept him as a workable partner, or
(iii) the Tan Siew Sin type of MCA which was friendly to and liked (or at least tolerated) by UMNO, but disliked by the Chinese, or
(iv) the Tan Koon Swan type of MCA which was quite aloof and somewhat arrogant to, and thus disliked by UMNO, though quite popular with the Chinese, or
(v) the Ling Liong Sik type of MCA which had a pally buddy but proper subordinate type of relationship with Mahathir's UMNO, not unlike Tan Siew Sin's MCA though less respected, or
(vi) the Lee Kim Sai type of MCA which was very much disliked by UMNO for its in-your-face abrasiveness, highlighted by (1) Lee's call for abolition of bumiputera privileges (1986), (2) his major role (as a BN leader) in the Chinese school controversy (1987) which saw him leave for Australia on 'long leave' to avoid arrest in the Ops Lalang crackdown and (3) his losing his datukship for calling the Malays pendatangs (wakakaka) in his 1987 fiery exchanges with UMNO Youth.
(vii) the (future if MCA is not destroyed by then) Liow 'my beloved PM' Tiong LIE type of MCA which has been ........ (I cringe in embarrassment to describe its likely sucking servile subordinate ........ 'nuff said)?
Answering (a) of first part, a new Pakatan government is likely to have a reasonably strong and assertive DAP component, with its greatest challenge in the new Pakatan government coming from PAS and its undoubted wish to hudud-ize the Malaysian legal system.
Also see my previous post PAS - from Progressive to Pythonic, wakakaka.
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| wakakaka but matey, it'll swallow you up |
Thus the question will DAP become another MCA appropriately queries its response and actions towards PAS Islamization intent, to wit, will DAP be like a mute and lame MCA which remained passive towards UMNO's Islamization programs? Admittedly though, PAS Islamization programs will be far more challenging, wakakaka.
Actually I have leap-frogged on to the second of the vexing questions, namely, 'How will DAP deal with its Pakatan ally, an increasingly arrogant, hudud-hungry and hudud-impatient PAS?' Perhaps it's best if we leave this aside for a while and deal with it as part of the 2nd question later.
Obviously, in a new Pakatan government where the DAP is likely to have a reasonably strong and assertive presence, I doubt it will be like MCA ... unless you want it to be the Lee Kim Sai abrasively confrontational type of MCA wakakaka.
The problem for MCA vis-a-vis its UMNO Tai-Koe has been its relative lack of power in Perikatan-BN, aggravated by its business-dominated desire to continue a cosy profitable relationship in the UMNO-led government.
But as they say, power corrupts, while absolute power corrupts UMNO absolutely, as had happened to a once much loved Gerakan Party, originally founded by giants like Professor
Syed Hussain Alatas, Dr. David Tan Chee Khoon, Dr. J.B.A. Peter, Dr. Lim Chong
Eu, Professor Wang Gungwu Mr. V. Veerapan.
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| jubilant Prof Syed Hassain and Lim Chong Eu following Gerakan 1969 landslide win in Penang |
I suspect (though of course I could be wrong) that Gerakan lost its original character and oomph when it was joined by MCA rejects like Lim Keng Yaik etc, so a DAP in federal government has more of itself to fear than a hudud-bent PAS.
So the question will DAP go the way of MCA (and which MCA type) can only be answered by further theoretical questions like: will its politicians have the same business-minded proclivities of MCA's politicians and MCA's lack of power in BN?
Besides, in reality the DAP of yesterday as is more so today cannot ever be a MCA because it has multi-ethnic members, much as UMNO has deliberately painted it (and still does) to be a Chinese-based party.
While it's undeniably true the DAP has more Chinese than other ethnic groups in its membership, the party was first headed by an Indian, Devan Nair, and its current chairperson is still another Indian, Karpal Singh.
Previous and current non-Chinese state chair of the party have been Karpal Singh (Penang), P Patto (previously Perak), Manoharan (previously Selangor), George John (previously Kedah), Ahmad Nor (previously Selangor), Ahmad Ton (previously Johor).
Then, it has more Indian MPs and ADUNs than the Indian MPs and ADUNs of all other political parties, including MIC, combined, wakakaka.
Today it strives to attract more Malays into its membership and has succeeded as never before. I'm confident we'll see a second or third or even more Malay MPs from DAP after GE-13.
So, how can such a multi-racial party be ever another MCA which is unabashedly a Chinese political party just as UMNO is a Malay political party, ..... though we must admit MCA once had a Malay as party president in Gaafar Baba during the Neo Yee Pan-Tan Koon Swan bitter feud, wakakaka.
If DAP joins a a Malay Unity government or as a new member of a BN government post GE-13, it will go the way of Gerakan Party where both its Indian and Malay members may see no further reason or cause to remain within its membership.
This would be its fate (the Gerakan fate) if it ever joins BN in the event BN (minus MCA and MIC or at best an insignificant MCA and MIC) continues to be the government.
By contrast, in Pakatan what can PKR offer which it hasn't already offered in far more superior standards, wakakaka? What can PAS offer differently other than Islamic politics which may not appeal to some Malays who prefer a DAP political environment?
So my best guess or expectation is that it won't become another MCA, apart from its fundamental multi-racial character preventing it from ever being a MCA.
Its two greatest danger to its future is a trap suffered by Gerakan, and its own self.
Previous and current non-Chinese state chair of the party have been Karpal Singh (Penang), P Patto (previously Perak), Manoharan (previously Selangor), George John (previously Kedah), Ahmad Nor (previously Selangor), Ahmad Ton (previously Johor).
Then, it has more Indian MPs and ADUNs than the Indian MPs and ADUNs of all other political parties, including MIC, combined, wakakaka.
Today it strives to attract more Malays into its membership and has succeeded as never before. I'm confident we'll see a second or third or even more Malay MPs from DAP after GE-13.
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| DAP MP Bayan Baru 1990 |
So, how can such a multi-racial party be ever another MCA which is unabashedly a Chinese political party just as UMNO is a Malay political party, ..... though we must admit MCA once had a Malay as party president in Gaafar Baba during the Neo Yee Pan-Tan Koon Swan bitter feud, wakakaka.
If DAP joins a a Malay Unity government or as a new member of a BN government post GE-13, it will go the way of Gerakan Party where both its Indian and Malay members may see no further reason or cause to remain within its membership.
This would be its fate (the Gerakan fate) if it ever joins BN in the event BN (minus MCA and MIC or at best an insignificant MCA and MIC) continues to be the government.
By contrast, in Pakatan what can PKR offer which it hasn't already offered in far more superior standards, wakakaka? What can PAS offer differently other than Islamic politics which may not appeal to some Malays who prefer a DAP political environment?
So my best guess or expectation is that it won't become another MCA, apart from its fundamental multi-racial character preventing it from ever being a MCA.
Its two greatest danger to its future is a trap suffered by Gerakan, and its own self.
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| A fate waiting for DAP if it joins BN, wakakaka KTK is a nice bloke but not a pollie He should have stayed in academia |
Aiyah, tired liao lah, wakakaka, so I'll continue the second question in my next post.
Related: Chua Soi Lek & his MCA Merajuking Manoeuvre
Related: Chua Soi Lek & his MCA Merajuking Manoeuvre
Again it's all about seat arrangement. WHEN THE FUCK PKR GONNA LEARN TO BE LESS GREEDY
ReplyDeletehttp://www.malaysiakini.com/news/225260
IN THE FUCKING JOHOR ALONE, PKR IS CONTESTING AT LEAST 11 PARLIAMENTARY SEATS.....NOW WANNA POACH ONE MORE
PKR IS FUCKING AS GREEDY AS PIG
looes74, Such behaviour erupting suddenly is not surprising at all when you remember that PKR is a clone of UMNO with all of its parent's genetic material intact. This is just one instance (there will certainly be more in future) of this Genetic Imperative asserting itself and coming to the fore.
DeleteKaytee is right again.....hahahaha
ReplyDeletehttp://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/03/29/gwo-burne-on-the-chopping-block/
see my Nov 2010 post http://ktemoc.blogspot.com.au/2010/11/loh-gwo-burne-gobala-one-term-mps.html
DeleteLoh Gwo Burne left a comment as well wakakaka
Just wonder what the fuck hua yong gonna say about this?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/03/29/chua-still-sulking-over-kit-siang%E2%80%99s-move/
Hua Yong,
ReplyDeleteIs your beloved Azmin Ali gonna block Wan Azizah? Hahahahaha
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/03/29/i-am-eligible-to-contest-says-wan-azizah/
PKR,
FUCK YOU LA! HANDS OFF THE COOKIE JAR
looes, i dun know, you can join me at tonight ceramah "harapan rakyat menuju ke putrajaya" at equine park serdang, aa will be there, you can find out from him. i personally care very less on issue like this.
Deletebtw, i try to read whatever link u cited and try to respond but it seem to me u r not that interested to engage except come up with the usual reflexive utterances of unknown purpose, u r actually spamming, trolling and flaming. just take a look at your four comment above, all has nothing to do with the topic on hand. is that the typical attitute of those that stay too long in a small island?
HUA YONG,
DeleteI AM NOT GOING TO SPOON FEED YOU.THIS FUCKING PKR FOLKS ESPECIALLY AZMIN ALI HAS STRIKED MY NERVE. FUCKING HELL ASK DR RAFIZI HOW HE HATED AZMIN ALI TO THE CORE OF HIS NON PERFORMANCE,,,,,,
PKR MUST FUCKING PERFORM ON ITS OWN OR MAMPUS!
P.S : I will continue this campaign till these fucking leaders realise of THAT FUCKING CB PKR GREEDINESS......STOP THE FUCK NOW! ONCE & FOR ALL
KTemoc wrote: Khalsa warrior also known as the Lion of Gelugor or in earlier times, the Tiger of Jelutong.
ReplyDeleteThose epithets are really so charming -- kewl!!
By the way, is there a "Mouse of Pulau Tikus" or maybe "Fraidy Cat of Pulau Tikus"?
DAP will only become another MCA under the circumstances as follow:
ReplyDelete1) If Pakatan stays in power for the next 20 years, at least
2) Anwar (by that time, an ex-PM like Toon now) dished out billions ringgit (or trillions ringgit thanks to inflation) business deals to his brothers of PKR and DAP, and all live happily ever after.
3) Another "The Star" formed and become the highest circulated newspaper (assuming people still read newspaper) in Malaysia.
4) The new EC, MACC, and whatever Cs are all controlled by Pakatan, and they do whatever it takes to stay in power.
Well, not entirely impossible. We've been there once (we're still there in fact), but at least it will take quite awhile. XD
Someone did commented that to prevent that fate, we the rakyat should change government every one or 2 terms, like in the US.
DeleteOr maybe this time, the 'third force' will emerge....
Or maybe there is another falling out between the PKR PM and his Deputy....this time, instead of victimising the Deputy with sodomy, it will be the PM fighting with his Deputy over a boyfriend.....and we will have a splinter group promising REFORMI again
See Hua Yong.....ALL THIS FUCKING DOUBLE SPEAK BY FUCKING PKR
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theborneopost.com/2013/02/20/dap-pkr-tussling-over-mas-gading/
LAST TIME SAY DAP SHOULD CONTEST NON CHINESE SEATS, NOW PKR FUCKINGLY TELL DAP TO STAY AWAY FROM DAYAK SEATS
FUCK YOU LA!
Ktemoc,
ReplyDeleteJust a side question - why do you tolerate a rude commentator who uses foul 4-letter words in every post ? I see he has also started attacking other commentators who don't share his views.
I remember you have banned others for similar profanities.
You welcome him just because he posts anti-PKR comments ?
What kind of mentality is that ?
I don't welcome obsceities but I make a difference between acommentator who's being politically angry and oen who's uselessly a gutter scum, wakakaka
Deleteto be fait to kt, the ban fella (old one) is a dap supporter, generally we can assert that many dap supporter are foul mouth bigot, must be the party and their leader i guess.
Deletethe late oldie was a staunch AI supporter, may he rest in peace
DeleteKaytee,
ReplyDeleteFolks such as Hua Yong & Helen Ang still thinks that DAP is all about chinese......This is Kedah
Hua Yong,
So DAP only deserved one state seat?
be careful fo what you say about Kedah coz' my dear HY trusts PAS more than he does DAP, wakakaka
DeleteAs a Kedahan born and bred, I will say this - in states where the Chinese are a small minority e.g. Kelantan , Kedah, the political culture among the Chinese is somewhat different.
DeleteWe have long ago learnt to work within the framework of a strongly Malay-majority community. Of course, basic principles remain quite similar.
Frankly, DAP type of political culture is not well received in places like Kedah and Kelantan, even among the Chinese.
PKR would be a better fit, regardless that you may have a bad opinion of its Ketua Umum.
i trust a kedahan more wakaka
Deletelike Dr M, wakakaka
Deletemahathir is master of nitpicking word out of context, kt is not far behind, no wonder they like each other.
DeleteIs Daim the diam guy also from Kedah ? Why are all such trustworth people mostly from Kedah? Must be the water there.
DeleteWell, it happens that the Sultan of Kedah is the most learned lot & may follow the rule if BN tries to be funny
DeleteTHE FUCKING SIGN OF PKR GREEDINESS......YES, PKR SHOULD GET STOMACH ACHE FOR THEIR GREEDINESS
ReplyDeletehttp://injustices.in/ge13-pahang-pkr-backs-down-from-demand-to-contest-two-state-seats/
Interesting read.
ReplyDeleteThe “Malay Unity” and “BN continues majority rule” might make no different, DAP in the long term will be a replicate of Gerakan, unless you tell me LCE is less persistence as compare to most DAP leaders today. The question is does the Penangites have their mental readiness to remain as opposition for the next decades and take a different path of LCE Gerakan?
The best scenario is of course if Pakatan rule, with a much balance of power among the 3 parties, the reality is non Muslim do not want to see a overwhelming Pas and the Malay do not want to see the same for DAP, thus KT is right that DAP have very little choice but to support Anwar as PM, but the Perak crisis and what was written by Sin Chew Tay Yian Yan present a interesting scene, PR can’t achieve all this with a very weak PKR. Thus whether you like it or not, we need a strong PKR.
up to PKR (and not DAP's responsibility) to make itself strong, but not at DAP expense.
Deleteif that is the case, dap shouldn't support anwar as pm unless you tell me anwar is not a burden.
DeleteAI is not PKR and PKR is not AI, wakakaka
Deleteummm chanting of mantra doesnt mean it is not a strawman.
DeleteFUCKING looes74 IS A BN CYBERTROOPER OUT TO INSTIGATE DISCORD AND HATRED BETWEEN DAP AND PKR.
ReplyDeleteFUCKING GET LOST !
Huh? Since when I become a BN cybertrooper, that's news
Deletelooes, better moderate your expressions wakakaka.
DeleteYou're accused of being a BN cybertrooper because you have the damn nerve to attack Holy of holiest, PKR wakakaka.
Why not, kaytee? Just tell you a little truth.....My dad deals with Anwar Ibrahim & Azmin before.....Nong nong time ago when they were in UMNO......Hahahaha
DeleteGuys & Gals,
ReplyDeleteUbahtv
http://www.ubah.tv/
Keep it up loose74
ReplyDeleteWe know who kt is.
The 'dead' wants to talk - ta'boleh tahan liao wakakaka
DeleteI cannot see how people can see DAP as multiracial. The current DAP political elite and supporters will not allow it to happen.
ReplyDeleteMost Chinese who support DAP are like you. It has more to do securing Chinese interest and nothing to do with the so called Malaysian first. Malays too see this. Anas once commented that since dap is multiracial Malays can outnumber other races in DAP. I disagreed with him telling him that DAP will not allow this to happen. The current internal political election system will always prevent this to happen. It's opaque system will always protect the "elite" Chinese in DAP. Kula and Ngah-ngeh fight fight openly lay out how this system will protect the incumbents.
Thus your whole premise relying on DAP being multi racial and different from Mca does not stand. It will be like Mca. It's there to protect Chinese interest. Anwar and PAS sees this. Everybody sees this. It will be the same struggle of race again within PR if bn is not in power. Your examples of Malays in DAP is a syiok sendiri argument to justify dap. The Chinese will never allow the Malays to have new branches all over that overwhelm the Chinese branches in DAP. (Its antithetical to protecting the Chinese interest) That's why Malays will not join coz of the subservient nature. To attract Malays is simple. Allow an open democratic process of opening branches where majorities are Malays. Don't play the kula Ngah-ngeh game.
"... opening branches where majorities are Malays"
ReplyDeleteEllese, now that's UMNO and not DAP-multiracialism at all
DAP is social democratic, not an ethnic party
I do wonder how mcuh trust Hua Yong put on PAS?
Deletehttp://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/pakatan-made-too-many-promises-in-selangor-says-kedah-mb/
Just as LGE has mentioned in the china press, it's 50-50 now. The only way to save Kedah is
1) FUCK OFF AZIZAN
2) FUCK OFF SOME PKR
3) ALLOW DAP TO STAND IN AT LEAST 4 STATE CONSTITUENCIES
KOTA DARUL AMAN, DERGA, GURUN & LUNAS
http://www.chinapress.com.my/
kaytee,
DeleteSeems RPK loves LibDem. Ok la.....Perhaps, RPK kinda got a Shirley Willam......You may ask who the fuck is Shirley William. Shirley Wiliam was the rising star in Wilson/Callaghan government. Shirley along with Jenkins, David Owen (Not the footballer) & another guys left Labour to form SDP. Just like Fan Yew Teng
For me, me got pamphlets from the lovely ladies in Guildford.....Hahahaha, me study there.....Wait a minute, RPK was born in Guildford.....Hahahaha....Those Libdems are really chio bu (Singapore hokkien for leng luis)
Kaytee,
DeleteNot just an issue AI but some PKR as a whole......Seriously, the most principled party is still DAP
http://tukartiub.blogspot.sg/?zx=94565cff9764ccfd
FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT
Deletehttp://video.sinchew.com.my/node/835
Kaytee,
DeleteI wonder if RPK had watched this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU0J1BDDMww
Kaytee,
DeleteSometimes, is it good to be a moral vacuum? Just enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZoNWoX3mKo
Lets get thus straight. I'm a typical pork-eating, brandy-drinking, 4-digit punting Chinese and all my children attend Chinese school . I vote DAP to protect Chinese interests. I have dallied with Gerakan and MCA before , but since its clear they are just running dogs, DAP will be it. [deleted by blog administrator] ..., but I'm clear DAP is my favored platform
ReplyDeleteNo KT. It's not umno style. By sheer population an open party should reflect the population demographic. That's what Anas is saying. If DAP is really sincere, it should more or less be as such. But the fact is not. It's overwhelming Chinese to protect Chinese right like you openly admit. Cut the shallow social democratic argument. It is not. Why would any Malaysian wants to support separation of our youngs based on race as propounded by DAP. Call a spade a spade please.
ReplyDeleteThe reality is that most Malays had been reluctant to join DAP for two reasons, (a) UMNO has demon-ized DAP for aeons as a Chinese party which seeks to strip the Malays of whatever they were entitled to, and (b) DAP's original Malaysian Malaysia turned them off because why would they join a party which purportedly ask them to give up bumiputera privileges and strive on meritocracy. This has been what RPK found out even today about Malays in UK who didn't require to depend on the NEP to be where they are now, yet are reluctant to give up the bumi-only privileges.
DeleteAnd that's the reason why DAP has few Malays. But it's all changing because of (a) the Internet where info can go directly to the Malays and a few independent news media, both to neutralize UMNO's black propaganda, though admittedly not so effective yet in the Heartland, and (b) Malays (currently urbanized ones only) have realized DAP is a clean accountable party compared to a decadent UMNO. Time to change the soiled nappies.
Pertaining to DAP won't become another MCA as the multi-racial character preventing it from ever being a MCA, i think being MCA has 2 fold :1) DAP turn into a Chinese party like Gerakan, which mean name only multi-racial and 2) DAP subservience to PKR/PAS/Umno. I don't grasp the part how multi-racial has to do with no (2), in fact every parties in BN subservience to Umno regardless they are multiracial or no.
ReplyDeleteMy view on DAP & multi-racial, i tend to agree with Ellese on this, i don't know why some are not willing to extricate their head from the sand, we know DAP rarely contest in a Malay majority constituency, their opponent is either MCA or Gerakan, to repeat the statement DAP is multi-racial a thousand time don't change this fact a bit. However it is also truth that DAP is willing and trying to become multi-racial, just like what PKR is doing and we should asknowledge this effort by both, the problem is DAP arrogant, selfishness and short-sighted lead me to believe their achievement might be much less even compare to LCE Gerakan.
I've already provided the reason why DAP had previously not contested in Malay majority areas (though with exception of the late Ahmad Nor winning Bayan Baru in 1990). That's because UMNO has demon-ized DAP as a Chinese party out to 'rob' the Malays of their rights. UMNO controlled the media and through its regular propaganda convinced the Malays that DAP was bad. So it would have been suicidal for DAP to try, though it did in a few places with Malay DAP members like the late Che Rose (Perak) etc.
DeleteBut with the advent of the Internet, it has gradually become a different ball game where DAP can reach into Malay homes directly and counter UMNO's bullshit.
Mind you, it will take time, mayve 10 to 15 years, to overcome 50+ years of UMNO black propaganda. That also explains why UMNO is now so shit scared of DAP.
From now on we may expect to see DAP campaign moving gradually into the heartland, that is, if PKR is not so green with jealousy with DAP's success, discipline and reputation. The party currently has quite a number of high quality (intellectual) Malay members who will be the future of a multiracial DAP.
HY, PKR will be better off dissolving itself to join DAP, subject of course to scrutiny and vetting wakakaka.
HUA YONG WOULD FUCKING HELL GET HEART ATTACK WHEN HE READ YOUR MESSAGE.10 -15 YEARS.....NO NEED.....PAP TOOK LESS THAN 5 YEARS TO GUN DOWN & RIDDEN OF ALL UMNOITES FROM SINGAPORE TO THE CHAGRIN OF TUNKU & THE RESPECT OF ZAIRIL DADDY.....YOU KNOW WHO
DeleteHY, time for you to leave the nest of vipers that's PKR - see how one person is destroying PKR by his warlordism
ReplyDeleteRead http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/03/30/rafizi-slammed-for-false-information/
None other than a PKR man whom even Anwar must kowtow to wakakaka.
DAP should welcome Nurul Izzah to migrate across to a party that will treat her with respect, not with sinister rivalry
DAP! DAP! DAP!
DeleteOMG! THIS TIME HUA YONG IS FUCKING DEAD.......
DeleteKaytee,I read an article with the emergence of PKR, DAP is MAMPUS......Now I know WHAT THE FUCK THAT GUY AFFILIATION WITH.
FUCK LA! PKR BETTER CHANGE,OR PERGI MAMPUS LA!
NOW,IT'S FUCKING CB CLEAR.....CHUA JUI MENG HAS BECOME ANOTHER DOMINIC NG
Deletehttp://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/03/30/jui-mengs-deputy-takes-over-johor-pkr/
PKR IS FUCKING ME DISAAPOINTED.....GIVE JUI MENG SOMUCH TIME & POWER.....CAN'T DO A FUCKING RIGHT THING.....NEED UNCLE LIM TO COME TO JOHORE.....FUCK YOU PKR
I DARE TO SAY KEDAH WILL SURELY LOSE BECAUSE THAT FUCKING PKR & AZIZAN
HUA YONG,
DeleteTHIS GUYS IS PKR ARDENT SUPPORTER.....SEE HOW FUCKING DISAAPOINTED HE'S
http://kerajaanrakyat.blogspot.sg/2013/03/pkr-johor-buat-hal-pulak-dah.html
Looes, cut out the obscene swearing or I won't release your comments
DeleteDAP arrogance on display ..... now Lim Kit Malam wants a Johor state seat....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.malaysiakini.com/news/225305
Fucking DAP needs to learn to be less arrogant and less greedy.
how about Gombak & Bukit Antarabangsa? wakakaka
DeleteKT, u claim u r fair, I never did, u read my past comment u shd notice I rarely defend PKR, I don’t claim UMNO demonize Anwar/PKR like what u assert when come to DAP, and surprisingly for 50 years yet DAP cant do anything about it, PAP take 5 years only according to the foul mouth fanboy.
ReplyDeleteI am being critical to DAP because 1) I am a Chinese “己所不欲，勿施于人” 2) To acknowledge the fact that all parties have weakness, nothing is absolute however I ignore BN entirely because they are in power, and for more than 50 years (of course when DAP supporter like you see no problem to vote them in the past).
PKR have it restraint and limitation, we can be more understand when we are at the ground unlike some whose information were mostly sources from internet, or you tube like some clown here did. PKR urge the value of fair and justice, from commoners pov regardless of race and religion, thus we would observed that their leader seldom touch on topic of race and religion, unlike those from Umno / PAS / DAP / MCA / MIC who never fail to take the victimhood role (from race and religion context) and bla bla bla nonstop, and don’t tell me DAP don’t do that unless u r sleeping or you can’t understand Chinese (the language) as you claim, I agree many of the issue raised are legitimate though. PKR is basically still a Malay party, hence from time to time the PKR Chinese have to speak up for their right (from Chinese pov) and I see many times how the PKR Malay trying to accommodate, at least in the open, and hey, many of them used to be from Umno you know? In short, I support PKR cause and what they advocate at current stage, albeit their weakness in many other aspect.
And please enlighten me if race and religion is not the core subject of struggle, is there any other topic they can draw the crowd? Read MT did the host talk or publish less on issue pertain to race and religion? The host even publish rubbish by idiot like Gopal Raj Kumar to serve his agenda when he know race and religion have no play on PKR, so what make writers like u n Petra fair?
Instead of taking the course to become more inclusive, DAP preserve the stand to contest on Chinese majority constituency, and at the same time their fanboy still persist that they are multi-racial as if everyone else is as stupid as them, can’t we just call a spade a spade?
PS/ Loose, do u know what is the different btw me n Helen? I don’t pander the rightist to advance my point, I treat idiot as idiot even if one are from DAP, and no less if one are from UMNO.
my dear HY, I know you are sincere but I believe in the wrong party.
ReplyDeleteRecall, when Pakatan won Perak in March 2008, Dr Syed Husin, your former deputy president demanded that the Pakatan state exco MUST comprise a racial makeup proportionate to the racial makeup of Perak, implying he wants PKR. essentially a Malay-majority party, to sapu the majority of the exco positions even though DAP won the most number of seats. Wasn't that overt racism? Until that day, as a socialist I had always respected and admired Dr Syed Husin ... no more liao.
DAP contests in Chinese-majority constituencies for a number of reasons: (a) that's their traditional turf which they nurtured over the last 40 years, (b) PKR and PAS refuse to let DAP contest in Malay majority areas, deeming that's their preserve. Sarawak was a classic case of how greedy and selfish PKR had been. PKR bit off more than they could chew and in the process also alienated SNAP with their arrogance, (c) PKR's Chinese section has greedily eyed DAP's turf because they themselves have been marginalized by their own PKR, and it's not DAP's duty to help PKR resolve its internal party marginalization of the Chinese and Indians. The Chinese and Indians in PKR should contest in those seats that PKR refuses to concede to DAP, even though they have been losing those seats for a number of general elections.
Such a great Bullshitter when it comes to being a DAP apologist.
DeleteBut I give you an "A+++" for Effort...wakakakaka.
However, I consider PKR and Anwar Ibrahim a thorough disgrace as well....
wakakaka, but no bullshitter can ever hope to match the bullshit of BN people
Deletehello kt, how many times do you have to rehash the same point? why the hell dap have to support anwar to be pm? i did imply in most of post, dap cannot take the lead is not because they are incapable, but simply they cant, unless they change. duh!
DeleteDon't you think it's a good advice to CJM & PKR
ReplyDeletehttp://msomelayu.blogspot.sg/2013/03/chua-jui-meng-perlu-berjiwa-besar.html
It's time for Chegubard to join DAP......Let PKR rot in hell
ReplyDeletehttp://chegubard.blogspot.sg/2013/03/chegubard-sedia-untuk-menjadi-jentera.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/pRYGl+(PERJUANGAN+ADALAH+PERLAKSANAAN+KATA-KATA)
Name me one non-Chinese-majority Parliament or State seat held by the DAP.
ReplyDeleteLike it or not, as things stand, DAP is winnable only in Chinese majority seats. That's current fact of life. The Chinese population in Malaysia is a rapidly shrinking proportion of the total, and in the Peninsular, increasingly concentrated in 3 urban areas - Klang Valley, South Johor and Penang.
Unless DAP can broaden its appeal among Malays, and very importantly, put up Malay candidates for elections, it will be painting itself into a tight corner in the long run. The seeds of future failure often get planted during success, as it is too often in history.
I'm not hopeful for GE13 on this subject.
The same mechanics working against Malay candidates in the CEC elections applies to the GE13 candidates list.
With the widespread expectation of DAP's best ever performance for GE13, their 3rd echelon leaders are all clamoring to be candidates, and they are near 100% Chinese or Indian. The few Malays in the party are not well known and unlikely to get considered. Lim Guan Eng's favourite , Zairil, well-known blogger Ariff Sabri (Sakmongkol) will likely get their chance, but hardly anyone else.
There are other dangers in trying to attract more Malays to support the party. Malay grassroots politics involves a heavy dose of Patronage. Its the same whether UMNO, PAS or PKR. Its a culture encouraged and promoted by UMNO for decades, and has become a built-in expectation in the community. Even Khalid Ibrahim, who is a level headed, corporate professional has had to indulge in it in Selangor to bolster PKR's support.
DAP will make few or no inroads into the wider Malay community unless it plays along with politics of Patronage. But in doing so, it will endanger DAP's fundamental values.
Hobson's choice ?
An acquaintance who attended one of the Tanda Putera "private screenings" became very agitated and angry with the Chinese and DAP in particular after watching the show.
ReplyDeletePreviously he had been unhappy with BN and UMNO over issues like corruption and the high cost of living. Now, he will not consider voting DAP and may well stay home for GE13.
Beware....BN/UMNO is desperate and will resort to race baiting as its final line of defence....
Kaytee,
ReplyDeleteI do wonder what the fuck Hua Yong would say when Azizah was blocked by Azmin Ali from contesting in selangor for Azmin feared that his clout in selangor would lose forever in selangor. I am not surprised he lost in bukit antarabangsa.....Just ask Dr Rafick
http://mimpi-senja.blogspot.sg/2013/03/wan-azizah-boleh-jadi-mb-selangor-khalid.html
since u r that free, y not say/do something about ngeh-nga vs kula-fong? teng-boo vs lims? selangor perak n johor might lose bec of dap internal tussle. just ask anyone live in malaysia.
Deletenow back to topic "the 2 other loser", the no 1 as mentioned should also include sin chew and watan, and no 2 were perhaps razaleigh. i am very skeptical of lks role, however i do agree from the chinese perspective, lks reputation is at the lowest, the lion turn into a cat from then onwards, n not wrong to call him a loser.
ReplyDeleteI hope by lks you mean Lee Kim Sai - not many people today have heard of him, the de-datuk-rized and re-datuk-rized former MCA deputy president.
DeleteIf I were him I would have in courtly manners declined HRH's restoration of his datukship. No doubt UMNO Youth under Najib instigated the stripping of his datukship, HRH's restoration of his conferred title could never ever mitigate against the earlier insult to his personal character.
agreed on sin chew and watan
Deletei did mentioned 'lion', sai=狮(lion). his flaw was flee to australia during operasi lalang, he should have stay. but he was the only minister involved at that time , if govt isa him, what about other minister like anwar, najib or sanusi?
Deletethe moral of the tale is to remind people like u dun simply run to australia for no particular reasos wakaka.
he was instructed by the BN top people to go away on leave. Anwar was the troublemaker but then he was Mahathir's blue-eyed boy and virtually untouchable, whilst Najib and his keris brandishing was (still is) Mahathir's unofficial godson (as Mahathir's hutang budi to Tun Razak) - thus both UMNO ministers couldn't be ISA-ed. With Lee, a Chinese, out of Malaysia, it saved the government the embarrassment of ISA-ing him and being seen as overtly racist.
Deletehttp://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/dr-m-comes-to-johor-bns-defence-tells-voters-to-end-kit-siangs-political-career/
ReplyDeleteDr. M asks Gelang Patah voters to "patahkan" (break) Lim Kit Siang's political career.
The DAP Rocket will come crashing down to earth.
or blast UMNO and MCA to shreds, wakakaka
Delete"or blast UMNO and MCA to shreds" -- hahaha, good retort, KT!
DeleteNajib on his national walkabout seems to have picked up quite a bit of goodwill from the rakyat, and it looks like he's on a roll. People, even the non-Malays not just the Malays, can be described as "mudah lupa". There's nothing wrong with that - it's a rather common trait to be forgiving, to let bygones by bygones, and just move on. Thus, all those keris waving and shouting of wild-eyed threats at the minorities can be temporarily forgotten by the oppressed victims if the oppressors put on a nice, friendly face and embark on a blitz of feel-good "look-I-want-to-be-your-friend" overture and dishing out of pecuniary goodies.
This means the Opposition will have a harder time as compared to the previous election as the incumbent now seems to be enjoying a gathering momentum.
"Anwar was the troublemaker" re: Ops Lallang.
ReplyDeleteThat is an incorrect understanding of how government works..
Since DAP aspires to be part of the Putrajaya administration, and is already part of the State government administration of Penang and Selangor, you need to understand the difference between decisions and actions taken in official capacity, vs. rabble rousing.
A Minister's actions cannot be the subject of legal penalty unless some law has been broken.
In Anwar's case, it may have been wrong, badly judged or even with bad intentions, but I doubt any law was broken.
Najib's rabble-rousing in the TPCA stadium is a totally different matter - he should have been arrested and charged with inciting racial hatred and racial violence, but he was/is a "protected species" , of course.
I mentioned 'troublemaker' and not 'law breaker'. Anwar was just that with his several bad (even sinister) policies when he was Education Minister. And I didn't excuse Najib from his keris threatening bigotry. But we must face the ugly fact that Ops Lallang stemmed from Anwar's bad policy, one maybe as you put it, with bad intentions. We cannot excuse Anwar by putting all the blame on Najib who just added kerosene to the inflammatory situation started by Anwar.
DeleteKaytee,
DeleteJust like Soiled legg chicken, this Teng fella chicken out with all his excuses
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/225439
Parliament has been dissolved today.
ReplyDeleteChua Soi Lek will be taking on Lim Kit Siang in a straight fight.
Anwar Ibrahim announces retirement from politics.
Nazri Aziz has applied to join the DAP.
Happy April Fool's Day !
Further to that....Dr M will REALLY go into retirement and promises not to meddle and will from now onwards, will just sit and count his US $44 billion ( as he was allegedly have acquried ) and go horse riding on his huge Argentina plantation.
DeleteFLOM will donate her 14 Birkin handbags worth allegedly RM 3.6 mil to the tranvestite community, together with all her wigs.
AA will contribute to the peace of this country by committing seppuku, but with a kris instead to impart a malay flavour. In this way, the Keadilan Princess will be able to rise up.
All PAS hardcore will be joining the actual Talibans in Afgan, leaving the liberals to run the show, with our much-loved Nizar Jamaluddin to lead the party to new glory, with emphasis of a heaven on EARTH.
Petronas will report to the Parliament instead of to the PM
Alas.....we have only a few hours of this Fool's Day left.
Dong Zhong meets PM Najib.
ReplyDeleteI expect UEC exam recognition by the government, together with Dong Zhong endorsement of Barisan Nasional will be forthcoming before the GE13 polls.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/225493
DAP about to be Checkmated.
Sorry Lim Kit Siang, your political career about to be "patah" (broken).
Hey! that's great of you two fellas - for putting in a touch of levity to the day! Bravo!
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