I refer to some parts of RPK’s Much ado about nothing (part 2), wakakaka those
which states:
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| Abraham with (at that time) a futuristic mode of transportation, wakakaka |
According to Genesis, Abraham had a wife
named Sarah who was barren and could not give him any children. Sarah had an
Egyptian slave named Hagar, so Sarah told Abraham to use Hagar as a surrogate
mother since she (Sarah) could not give Abraham any children.
Hagar soon became pregnant and not long
after that Sarah, too, became pregnant. So now both of them were pregnant.
Hagar’s son was named Ishmael while Sarah’s son was named Isaac. But Ishmael
was elder to Isaac since he was born first.
Sarah soon became jealous and told
Abraham to get rid of Hagar and Hagar’s son, Ishmael. So Abraham dumped both of
them in the desert and left them there. God, who called Himself, El Shaddai,
then appeared and told Sarah that she will become the mother of all nations.
Now, there are two things to note here.
First of all, God acknowledged Isaac (the younger brother) and not Ishmael (the
elder brother) as the true successor and heir to Abraham.
and
Oh, by the way, Jews practice
circumcision, an Egyptian practice at that time -- and Hagar was Egyptian while
Sarah was not. Does this mean the Jews follow Hagar and not Sarah?
Let me comment on the last
part first, that of circumcision.
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| Gulp, I don't like the look of what appears to be a pair of pliers (on right) what's that tool on the left? |
RPK is correct that circumcision was
then an Egyptian practice. The Egyptians were probably the first people to conduct circumcision, but then only among the royals and nobility.
Please note that when we refer to the
biblical Egyptians we’re NOT talking about today’s Egyptian who are and have
been mainly Arabs, and of course mainly Muslims since Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) introduced Islam to the Middle-Eastern world.
The biblical Egyptians were a different
race, no, not even the people of Ptolemy’s and Cleopatra’s who came later and were mainly Macedonians and
Greeks, remnants of Alexander’s army. The original Egyptians were a race of a much earlier era,
and have since long gone; no one other than perhaps historians of ancient
Egypt or Egyptologists know where they are now - perhaps in Padang and Negeri Sembilan wakakaka.
In a post earlier this year titled B-D,the new G-D of ‘Truth’ I had written about the same thing.
Strangely, for the Hebrews, a people who
despised the Egyptians for their pagan beliefs, yet they adopted many Egyptian
practices, including that of circumcision – see my post B-D, the new G-D of‘Truth’. Of course the Hebrews would claim that Abraham circumcised himself to
show his covenant with YVWH.
OK then, we might as well begin our
discussion with Abraham who the Bible told us came from Ur of the Chaldees, as
in Genesis 11:27-31, which say:
27 Now these are the generations of
Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot.
28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.
29 And Abram and Nahor took them wives:
the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the
daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah.
30 But Sarai was barren; she had no
child.
31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot
the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's
wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the
land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.
Abraham was born around 2000 BC
according to those who also believed that Adam and Eve and their Fall happened
around 4000 BC). But archaeologists said that Chaldeans (of the Chaldees) didn’t
even exist until around the sixth to fifth century BC, nearly 1500 years after
Abraham’s time.
Thus the claim that Abram (before he became Abraham) came from Ur of the Chaldees was likely
a latter day invention (or writeup) at a time (after 586 BC) coincidentally when the Judeans, as slaves in Babylon, first wrote down the oral tradition
of Abraham’s story while compiling the written Hebrew Bible Tanakh).
Now, just note Genesis 17:17 which says
Abraham became hilarious when God told him he would have a son:
Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed,
and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years
old? And shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
This tells us that the age gap between
Abraham and Sarah was 10 years.
OK, flashing back to an earlier period,
specifically 25 years earlier, to Genesis 12:4, we have (before he changed his
name to Abraham):
So Abram departed, as the Lord had
spoken unto him: and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years
old when he departed out of Haran.
Abraham was already 75 years old when he
was instructed by God to leave Haran after his father died. Therefore Sarah would be sixty-five years old, being 10 years younger than her husband. It also tells us that there was a gap of at least 25
years between entering Egypt and having their son Isaac.
In Genesis 12:14-15 we have:
And it came to pass, that, when Abrams
was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she was very fair.
The princes also of Pharaoh also saw
her, and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh’s
house.
When entering Egypt, Abraham wanted
Sarah to pretend she was his sister. The biblical reason was that he was afraid
of being killed if it was known she was his wife, for he anticipated Sarah
would attract lustful attention. And he was right. Pharaoh was told of her beauty,
took her into his Palace and rewarded her ‘brother’ generously.
Here, some questions begged to be asked.
(2) Did the Pharaoh have his naughty ways with Sarah after taking her into the Palace?
(3) What was a pastoralist (shepherd) like Abraham doing in a cosmopolitan city like Ur (apart from the archaeological-historical fact that Ur existed only 1500 years later)? One would expect him to live in a tent in a rural area, but we are told by the bible he came from Ur of the Chaldees.
(4) Then, what would be the likelihood of a foreign commoner, a mere pastoralist, even allowing for him having a beautiful 65-year old wife, coming into contact with the royal house of Egypt, namely the princes and the Pharaoh? (Genesis 12:15) Can a great empire like Egypt be so small that a mere foreigner would, on entering its border, come into contact with or to the knowledge of its princes?
(5) Why is there a leitmotiv in the bible surrounding Abraham and Sarah, of the man and wife pretending to be brother and sister, of a Pharaoh or King taking (or attempting to take) the wife, of God then intervening to return the wife to the husband, and of the husband profiting greatly from the separation? The leitmotiv may be discerned in:
(6) Why was Sarah told to change her name from the original Sarai to Sarah, the latter in Hebrew meaning Princess? (Genesis 17:15)
21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
- Abraham and the Pharaoh (Genesis 12:11-20)
- Abraham and Abimelech of Gerar (Genesis 20:2-18) – Sarah was even older by then, around 90.
- Isaac and Abimelech of Gerar (Genesis 26: 7-16) – we aren't too sure whether this was the same Abimelech for it was then more than 50 years later, but the King had a chief captain of the army named Phichol (Genesis 26:26) as was in the case of the earlier or Abraham’s Abimelech (Genesis 21:22).
If it was the same Abimelech, then it would suggest that Abraham and Isaac could well be the same person.
(6) Why was Sarah told to change her name from the original Sarai to Sarah, the latter in Hebrew meaning Princess? (Genesis 17:15)
What were the authors (or author) of
Genesis trying to say, or do?
I leave the above for you to find out,
wakakaka, including Genesis 12:16 which states: And he entreated Abram well for
her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and
maidservants, and she asses, and camels.
If according to Judeo-Christian belief, Abraham was supposed to live around 2000 BC, then camels weren't domesticated yet for another 800 years, until around 1200 BC, coincidentally around the time when the Chaldeans existed and indeed, coincidentally around the time the Judeans compiled their written bible, the Tanakh.
You can draw your own conclusion as to the reliability of the Judeans' story as written by them in the Tanakh.
You can draw your own conclusion as to the reliability of the Judeans' story as written by them in the Tanakh.
Carrying on with other biblical
mysteries, wakakaka:
The Israelis journeyed from Rameses to Succoth. There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women
and children ….. (Exodus 12:37)
The Book of Exodus narrates the preparation of the Hebraic
exodus after the Pharaoh, cowered by the 10 plagues including the death of his firstborn, gave Moses leave to
lead 600,000 male Jewish slaves plus their families, totalling some two million
people, out of Egypt.
2,000,000 Hebrew slaves migrating out of
Egypt!
Even allowing for some ancient
exaggerations, yet there is not one single mention of this monumental migration in an ancient
Egypt famed for its recording of anything and all things! No, not one!
Continuing:
Now the length of time the Israelite
people lived in Egypt was 430 years. At the end of the 430 years, to the very
day, all the Lords’ division left Egypt ….. (Exodus 12:40-41)
Nearly half a millennium of residence in
Egypt by the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Hebrews – again there
was not one ancient Egyptian record of them! Not one hieroglyphic, hieratic or
demotic line anywhere!
As mentioned, this was a nation which
recorded everything, about Pharaohs, their gods, floods, harvest, births,
deaths, ownership of this and that, weather, social events, wars, etc, but not
a skerrick of written line about 2,000,000 Hebrews living in their land for 430
years, let alone making a mass exodus.
This was an unexplained omission of
amazing proportion by the Egyptian scribes. Or, was it?
Surely there must be something
to explain the mysterious and very monumental omission in ancient Egyptian records on the significant Hebraic presence there, unless of course there was no Hebrew ever in
Egypt, and thus no Hebraic exodus took place.
The most puzzling mystery has been that
in a land of such fastidious recording of events, not one single line of hieroglyph
or hieratic
or demotic in Egypt’s famed and vast repository of recording made any mention of this race, their or their mass exodus from Egypt.
The only account of the Hebrews living in Egypt and their exodus out of Egypt is in the Tanakh, which coincidentally was written by their descendants, the Judeans while they were slaves in Babylon from 586 to 539 BC.
The only account of the Hebrews living in Egypt and their exodus out of Egypt is in the Tanakh, which coincidentally was written by their descendants, the Judeans while they were slaves in Babylon from 586 to 539 BC.
OK, as mentioned, the word Pharaoh is
mentioned 274 times in the Bible in various descriptions and forms. In the
first two books of the Old Testament (OT), namely Genesis and Exodus, it is referred to
155 times.
Yet, in that 155 times, the OT fails to
identify which Pharaoh was involved in the respective events involving Hebrews. The time span as
chronicled by the Books of Genesis and Exodus would logically suggest that the
Pharaoh of Abraham and Sarah should be a different person to the Pharaoh of
Joseph son of Jacob, and indeed to the Pharaoh of Moses and the Exodus.
In the story of Joseph, he was sold to
an Egyptian Potiphar, one of Pharaoh’s officials (Genesis 39:1). After
interpreting his famous ‘seven fat and seven lean years’ for the Pharaoh (Genesis
41: 25-32), the latter made him the Grand Vizier, the No 2 man in the land, and
conferred on him an Egyptian name, Zapethnath-Paneah and married him off to an
Egyptian wife, Asenath (meaning Gift of the Sun-God). She was the daughter
of Potiphera, priest of On (Genesis 41:45).
Notice how detailed were the personalities identified, yet the name of the Pharaoh was not revealed. Instead the
Pharaoh was merely referred to as ‘a new king over Egypt, who knew not Joseph’ (Exodus
1:8).
As for Moses, we read of Pharaoh
learning of the killing of an Egyptian by this Prince of Egypt (Exodus 2:12), and
naturally wanting to have Moses executed (Exodus 2:15). Of course by then Moses
had fled.
Much later, after marrying Zipporah and witnessing the burning bush, he heard that the Pharaoh died. Around then, God ordered him back to Egypt to demand from the new Pharaoh the release of the Israelite slaves (Exodus 3:10).
Much later, after marrying Zipporah and witnessing the burning bush, he heard that the Pharaoh died. Around then, God ordered him back to Egypt to demand from the new Pharaoh the release of the Israelite slaves (Exodus 3:10).
Again, we observe the lack of details
about one of the most significant Pharaoh in the biblical saga. Who was this Pharaoh?
Or better, who were the Pharaohs, the one who died as well as his newly crowned
successor?
Compare the seemingly evasive or, if one
wants to be less conspiratorial, broad brushing of the Pharaohs’
identities, specifically those associated with the stories or events of Abraham to Moses, with the detailed genealogies of others in the Old Testament,
as presented in Genesis Chapter 4:17-22 (Cain’s), Genesis Chapter 5 (Noah’s, he
of the Flood and Ark fame), Genesis Chapter 10 (The sons of Noah
and their families’), Genesis Chapter 11:10-32 (from Shem to Abraham), and the
list of details goes on.
WHY?
So, were there Hebrews in Egypt after all?
Was there ever an Exodus?
Incidentally, the word ‘Egypt’ appears
in the Bible more than 750 times while ‘pharaoh’ is mentioned over 274 times.
More than any of the Israelite nation’s neighbouring countries, Egypt was the
most described country in the Scriptures.
· Egypt – the nation that,
according to the Bible, held 2,000,000 Hebrews in slavery until God instructed
Moses to lead his people out of Egyptian bondage. The Egyptian pharaoh only
released them after a bitter and acrimonious struggle resulting in the deaths
of all Egyptian first-borns including the pharaoh’s own.
· Egypt – where the Israelite
people including its kings would always run to for refuge and sanctuary when
threatened by other warring nations such as the Babylonians. The Israelite
so-called prophet Jeremiah threatened the Israelites about running to Egypt for refuge when the
Babylonians were advancing, by relaying God’s message: “As my anger and wrath
have been poured out on those who lived in Jerusalem, so will my wrath be
poured out on you when you go to Egypt” (Jer 42:18). But the Hebrews
nevertheless went to seek sanctuary in Egypt, and Jeremiah, notwithstanding his own warnings, followed,
purportedly to rail against the Israelites for picking up Egyptian worship (Jer
44), but more likely to save his own bloody skin, wakakaka.
On Egypt as a perennial sanctuary for
the Israelites-Judeans, it may worthwhile venturing across into the New
Testament to recall Matthew 2:13 which advised Yusuf (Yehoshua’s dad, you know,
Joshua or with the Greek name of Jesus) in a dream, of Herod’s murderous hunt for the
newborn Messiah:
Arise, He said, take the child and
his mother and flee to Egypt and stay there until I bring the word ………
And most surprising of all, in Deuteronomy,
under 23: Exclusion From the Assembly, God warned the Hebrews not to allow the
neighbouring nationalities to enter the assembly of the Lord, even unto the
tenth generation, except for the Edomites and the Egyptians.
The Edomites were of course also
Hebrews, ‘cousins’ to the ketuanan Israelite people, as they were descendants
of Esau, the
firstborn of Isaac, who lost his birthrights to Jacob through trickery and
deceit.
In fact, Deuteronomy 23:7-8 read:
You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he
is your brother. You shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you were an alien in
his land; the children of the third generation born to them may enter the
congregation of the Lord.
The Edomites I can understand, but why
this special treatment for their so-called mortal enemies, the Egyptians, those oppressors who supposedly kept the Hebrews in bondage for 430 years, and required a series of
terrifying divine-sent plagues to intimidate the Pharaoh before he released
them from slavery.
Indeed why?
I am afraid that again, I’m going to
leave all the above for you to find out, wakakaka. Call me a bloody tease if
you like, wakakaka.
So now we come to RPK’s first statement
I posted at the beginning of this post, namely:
According to Genesis, Abraham had a wife
named Sarah who was barren and could not give him any children. Sarah had an
Egyptian slave named Hagar, so Sarah told Abraham to use Hagar as a surrogate
mother since she (Sarah) could not give Abraham any children.
Hagar soon became pregnant and not long
after that Sarah, too, became pregnant. So now both of them were pregnant.
Hagar’s son was named Ishmael while Sarah’s son was named Isaac. But Ishmael
was elder to Isaac since he was born first.
Sarah soon became jealous and told
Abraham to get rid of Hagar and Hagar’s son, Ishmael. So Abraham dumped both of
them in the desert and left them there. God, who called Himself, El Shaddai,
then appeared and told Sarah that she will become the mother of all nations.
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| Abraham casting Hagar and Ishmael out |
Now, there are two things to note here.
First of all, God acknowledged Isaac (the younger brother) and not Ishmael (the
elder brother) as the true successor and heir to Abraham.
On RPK's last paragraph, whether it was the Hebraic God who
acknowledged ‘Isaac (the younger brother) and not Ishmael (the elder brother)
as the true successor and heir to Abraham’ would, in my opinion, depend on who was the Hebraic
God, wakakaka.
The Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) was written by
various people but mainly by (though not all) Davidic supporters (obviously of
the House of Judah). ‘Davidic’ supporters mean supporters of King David who was of the
House of Judah, the most evil and treacherous man in the entire bible.
David was even more treacherous than his
eponymous ancestor, cheating Jacob. He plotted the murder of King Saul who doted on him,
and f**ked Saul’s wife and Saul's son Jonathan (yes, he and Jonathan were lovers) to get to the throne.
And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. ... Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle - Samuel 18:1-4 (KJV).
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| David and Jonathan |
Though both his
lover Jonathan and his wife Michal (Saul’s daughter and Jonathan’s sister)
helped the bloke all the time, nonetheless he eventually had both of them murdered as he did to their father
King Saul.
Naturally the Bible was written by his
supporters to show that Saul became mad with jealousy etc etc and was forsaken
by God, to justify David's trail of f**king and murders right up to the Israelite throne.
He also shagged the wives of many others
to get what he wanted (presumably he must be a handsome Adonis) including the most
infamous of all, Bathsheba, the wife of his most loyal general Uriah whom he deliberately sent into the thickest of battle to be killed.
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| Uriah, cuckolded and murdered by King David, so-called God's beloved |
David was
also guilty of many other crimes including treasonably consorting with Israel’s enemies, the
Philistines, against Israel.
In the way that the New Testament would
not have been written if there was no Yesohua ben Yusuf, the Tanakh would
not have thus been written if there was no David.
David's supporters wrote the Tanakh to exonerate his many crimes, but fortunately for posterity they weren't the only
writers of the Tanakh, hence through the writings of those who weren't his supporters we catch glimpses
of his evil as well as the treachery of his eponymous cheating ancestor, Israel, or as Jacob was
known by, in the Old Testament.
But an important point his supporters
wanted to make was to show that contrary to Deuteronomy 21:15-17, God wanted
him to be King.
So what does Deuteronomy 21:15-17 say? Essentially and significantly the following:
If a man has two wives, and he loves one
but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the
wife he does not love, when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give
the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to
his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.
He must acknowledge the son of his
unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That
son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn
belongs to him.
So, where did that leave Ishmael as
compared with Isaac in the eyes of God?
That’s the reason I opined earlier: Whether
it was the Hebraic God who acknowledged ‘Isaac (the younger brother) and not
Ishmael (the elder brother) as the true successor and heir to Abraham’ would
depend on who was the Hebraic God – wakakaka again.
But why did David’s supporter want to
diminish the age-old concept of primogeniture, which is (until even today in many races and cultures) the right, by law, or usually
by custom and even religion as per Deuteronomy 21:15-17, of the firstborn son
to inherit the family title, properties, even greater blessings compared with other sons, and
which was what buggered Ishmael out from being Abraham's rightful heir.
That’s because David was not the first
born of Jesse of Bethlehem. He was the youngest of Jesse’s eight children
(sometimes mentioned as seven).
How could an eighth child become King of
Israel?
Of course he could ........ BUT only if the Bible showed that God
didn't favour primogeniture despite Deuteronomy 21:15-17.
And we'll see how a bible commentator would cunningly get around these two conflicting points, wakakaka.
Thus, in the story of Cain and Abel we have God
favouring Abel over Cain, the first born. Conveniently the Tanakh had Cain
murdering Abel.
Yes, no reason of whatever sort was
provided by the Bible for God’s favouritism. It would only be in other
subsequent explanatory documents or books that embarrassed clerics creatively explained
away God’s inexplicable bias.
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| was the Hebrew God a meat lover who thus preferred Abel's barbeque offerings over Cain's veggies? |
Then we have our Ishmael and Isaac, with
Ishmael conveniently being an Egyptian. Guess which nationality was Isaac,
wakakaka. Don't know? Well, go back above and re-read my post, wakakaka.
Following that, we have Esau and Jacob. Again,
conveniently we are told Esau sold his birthrights away to his younger brother
for a bowl of lentils. Even allowing for that pro Davidic creation, we have their mother conspiring
with Jacob to cheat, yes, CHEAT, his father into blessing him when the old
blind man wanted to do that for his first born Esau.
How could God love such a cheat? How could
God love his descendant David, the most treacherous murderous adulterer?
Can lah, because the Davidic supporters, not unlike our Utusan Malaysia and Biro Tatanegara, wakakaka, could write any bullshit!
As if that was not enough, when Joseph (of
the Technicolor coat in the Old Testament) went to see his father Jacob the Cheat
for blessings for his sons, Manasseh (first born) and Ephraim (the younger),
make a guess who Jacob blessed more, wakakaka.
The Bible tells us that despite Joseph positioning his sons before Jacob so that
the elder son Manasseh would be blessed by Jacob’s right hand (this being the
hand which gave the greater proportion of blessings) and Ephraim by his father’s
left hand, Jacob crossed his hands so that his right hand was on Ephraim’s head instead while his left hand blessed Manasseh but less according to Hebraic custom.
When Joseph tried to catch hold of his
father’s right hand to have it on top of Manasseh head, Jacob resisted and said
“I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall
be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed
shall become a multitude of nations.” (Genesis 48:19) - Wakakaka.
And we have the biblical commentator who
wanted it both ways, saying as we have suspected all along, that
This shows how the idea of firstborn in
the Bible (as per Deuteronomy 21:15-17) is often a position of pre-eminence,
not necessarily meaning 'first out of the womb'. Wakakaka, what utter bullshit.
Thus by creative biblical composition, David enjoyed the position of firstborn, even though he was the youngest son. Thus he was fit to be King of Israel, as was conveniently written by men and not God.
So naturally we have those Judean BTN writers (wakakaka) with Psalm 89:20-29 (KJV) informing us how God viewed David:
20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
That’s how and not why the Hebrew God inexplicably loved Abel
over Cain, Isaac over Ishmael, cheating-Jacob over Esau, Ephraim over
Manasseh, and of course the most evil man ever in the Bible, David the adulterous
traitorous murderer and 8th son of Jesse of Bethlehem - all courtesy of the pro David bible writers.


















