Monday, September 26, 2016

Working with Mahathir will be like jumping from the pan into the fire

misusing Islam to cause social havoc and division in Malaysia - reformasi my foot

PETALING JAYA: Anwar Ibrahim is responsible for bringing Islamisation into Malaysia. This was the opinion of controversial lawyer-cum-activist Siti Kasim.

Speaking to Malay Mail Online, Siti blamed jailed Opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim for bringing Islamisation into Malaysia and said she was “the happiest person” when Anwar was “caught”.

“I’m not joking because I think Malaysia was safe at that time. But then, unfortunately, of course, the people had already been brainwashed by then.

“He already set in place this brainwashing in school.

“I blame it on him; he’s the one who brought in Islamisation to Malaysia. It’s nothing wrong to bring in good things, but he’s bringing in Wahhabism kind of Islam.

“Why would you want to bring the Wahhabism interpretation of Islam?

“They mix the Arab culture into Islam”.

Wow, no longer Hari Raya Puasa, or what the greeting was called eons ago, is today called Eid al Fitr. And there are numerous other examples of Arab-izations, which include bonking one's wife on the back of a camel instead of a kerbau.

But it has to be admitted Anwar worked well with Mahathir because it was in 2002 (alas, after Anwar had been sacked by Mahathir) that Mahathir declared that Malaysia is a not just an Islamic State but a fundamentalist Islamic State.

When he did that, Lim Kit Siang railed and ranted and raved in his 929 and 617 Declarations in which Uncle Lim wrote (extracts):

When did the Cabinet make this radical policy shift to declare Malaysia as a fundamentalist Islamic State, going against the 1957 Merdeka Constitution, the “social contract” of the major communities and the 1963 Malaysia Agreement that Malaysia is a democratic, secular and multi-religious nation with Islam as the official religion but not an Islamic State?

It is both sad and most shocking that the Prime Minister and all the Cabinet Ministers are not setting the good example of respecting and upholding the historical, political, legal and constitutional principles of the Malaysian nation by unilaterally, arbitrarily and unconstitutionally declaring Malaysia as an Islamic fundamentalist state.

The Reid Constitution Commission Report 1957, which recommended the form of constitution we should have, stated that there was “universal agreement” that “any statement in the Constitution to the effect that Islam should be the State religion … would not in any way affect the civil rights of non-Muslims”.

It stated:
“In the memorandum submitted by the Alliance it was stated the religion of Malaya shall be Islam. The observance of this principle shall not impose any disability on non-Muslim nationals professing and practising their own religions and shall not imply that the State is not a secular state.”

Bapa Malaysia and the nation’s first Prime Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman confirmed this and declared in the Legislative Council in 1958:

“I would like to make it clear that this country is not an Islamic State as it is generally understood; we merely provide that Islam shall be the official religion of the State.”

The position of the constitutional cornerstone that Malaysia is a secular and not a Islamic state was further reinforced in the negotiations for the formation of Malaysia in 1963, as Sabahans and Sarawakians were assured that Article 3 of the Constitution "does not imply that Malaysia is not a secular state." (Cobbold Commission Report).

The fundamental constitutional principle that Malaysia is a secular nation has been upheld by the highest court in the land in Che Omar bin Che Soh vs Public Prosecutor (1988).

Delivering the judgment of a five-man Federal Court panel, the then Lord President Tun Salleh Abas held that the Constitution and the legal system are “secular” and held that the meaning of the expression “Islam” or “Islamic religion” in Article 3 “means only such acts as relate to rituals and ceremonies”.

He said that “There can be no doubt that Islam is not just a mere collection of dogmas and rituals but it is a complete way of life covering all fields of human activities, may they be private or public, legal, political, economic, social, cultural, moral or judicial” but rejected the contention that the terms “Islam” or “Islamic religion” in Article 3 is “an all-embracing concept, as is normally understood, which consists not only the ritualistic aspect but also a comprehensive system of life, including its jurisprudence and moral standard” as this was not the meaning intended by the framers of the Constitution.

Salleh Abas’ judgment that Malaysia was a secular nation was in keeping with the interpretation of his predecessor, the late Tun Mohamed Suffian Hashim who in 1962 defined the scope of Islam in the constitution as being primarily for ceremonial purposes, such as the permission for prayers to be offered in the Islamic way on official public occasions such as the installation of the Yang di Pertuan Agong, his birthday, Merdeka Day and other occasions.

The DAP Central Executive Committee will meet in Petaling Jaya tonight over Mahathir’s “929 Declaration” and his “617 Announcement” that Malaysia is a fundamentalist Islamic state, and will consider among other things the proposal that Mahathir be taken to court for these two pronouncements.

I am personally not in favour of a legal move as I believe that this is more a political than a legal issue at this stage – and what is most important is a nation-wide people’s consciousness campaign for all Malaysians to be fully aware of the far-reaching political, economic, social, legal, nation-building and citizenship implications of such unilateral, arbitrary and unconstitutional misinterpretations of the 1957 Merdeka Constitution, the “social contract” and the 1963 Malaysia Agreement and the need for all Malaysians, regardless of race, religion or political affiliation to exercise their democratic and constitutional right to defend and preserve the true meaning and spirit of the 1957 Merdeka Constitution, the “social contract” and the 1963 Agreement.

It has been suggested that unless Mahathir withdraws his “929 Declaration” and his “617 Announcement” that Malaysia is an Islamic fundamentalist state, the PAS state government in Terengganu is entitled to proceed with its Terengganu Syariah Criminal Enactment Bill.

I do not agree with this proposition, as both UMNO’s Islamic State and PAS’ Islamic State are contrary to the true meaning and spirit of the 1957 Merdeka Constitution, the “social contract” and the 1963 Malaysia Agreement.

I find it most shocking that a Pas leader was quoted in the New Straits Times yesterday as saying that the PAS Terengganu state government will not entertain views and suggestions based on human logic when reviewing the draft of the Syariah Criminal Enactment Bill, as only views and suggestions based on hukum Allah would be considered.

This would automatically exclude the views of non-Muslims, reflecting a serious implication of an Islamic state where non-Muslims would not be able to enjoy a full and untrammeled role in the nation’s decision-making process – and explained why the DAP decided to pull out of the Barisan Alternative in September last year.

Whoa! Hadn't Mahathir caused enormous damage, conflict and irreparable division in our society, yet Lim Kit Siang, the very man who condemned Mahathir's nonsensical policies, is now willing to work with that very trouble-maker, Mahathir.

I remind Lim Kit Siang of his own words above, pasted on his own blog, and the words of Ramkarpal Singh Deo (son of DAP's spiritual leader, Karpal Singh), as follows (published by the now defunct The Malaysian Insider in April 2015):

The question of working with Dr Mahathir is an unimaginable disaster waiting to happen.

“There can be no doubt that Malaysia needs to be saved. While I agree that Najib ought to go, I cannot agree with the means by which Dr Mahathir proposes to do so,” Ramkarpal said in a statement here.

“Asserting pressure on a democratically elected prime minister to step down cannot be democratic and it is high time that Pakatan Rakyat come together at this very critical time against Umno and the Barisan Nasional (BN),” the DAP MP added.

Ramkarpal said that working with Dr Mahathir would mean that PR would just be maintaining the status quo and allow “corruption to continue”.

“I am firmly of the view that saving Malaysia can only mean a new clean, accountable and transparent government."

“Pakatan Rakyat must live up to its promise to Malaysians of being that alternative and democratically oust Najib and the BN through the ballot box.”



  1. lks have no prob to work with any tom dick used to from umno includind razaleigh, anwar n now mahathir for the sake of power, but that is fine since he is a politician, however according to raja petra the fortune teller, lks even do this for the sake of his no swimming pool bangalooo son, pity la this dap, so called party ada principles lead by this 2 father n son jokers.

  2. The fundamental Socio-Religious event impacting Islam in the early 1980's was the Iranian Revolution.

    A pro-Western, modern, secular, wealthy Muslim society overnight turned to an extreme interpretation of Islam.
    Iran's own military refused to obey orders and turned against its government.

    The Shah was an autocrat and human rights abuser, but that wasn't the core issue. It was about Islam.

    Iran then promptly proceeded to export its revolution.
    Saudi Arabia proceeded to export Its version of radical Islam.
    Every government of a Muslim country around the world took note - either Islamise or be Islamised - at the point of a rebellion.

    Anwar Ibrahim wasn't innocent of this, but its facile to just blame it on him. There were huge, global forces at work in the 1980's, and they continue today.

  3. It's only fair to say that Anwar was the convenient label of the arabization of M'sia Islam.

    He contributed to that process mostly due to the current religious happenstance of that period. Just like Monsterball described.

    Without Anwar's inputs, the Arabization of the M'sia Islam would still proceed.

    There were already a large group of M'sian Islamists trained in that turbulent Middle East.

    The uprising of the radical Islamic thoughts, championed by Iran's ayatollahs, r sweeping the world by waves.

    The growing appeal & the resurfacing of long suppressed islamic subversion, hastened the resurrection of the fundamentalist Islam.

    So, if it wasn't Anwar, there would be someone else. Most probably from pas.

    The other factor, that was causing the arabization of the M'sia Islam, was the constant search of agent to uplift the ketuanan agenda.

    It fixed comfortably into the mindset of the Melayu, especially the heartlanders, that since Islam gave identity to been a Melayu, the radicalised Islam, thus provide a logical outlook for the seeking ketuanan freaks.

    So, don't blame Anwar alone. He was a factor. But the greater contributing factor was the identity-seeking Melayu mindset!

  4. what is wrong with islamisation? did they stop u from exercise yr rights to vote? only we have the right to choose? others dun have kah? the moment they choose islamisation meant they r wrong? some pick communism n socialism mean they deserve to be called traitor n incarcerated?

    1. Nothing wrong with Islamization, except when that choice turns into radicalization of Islam.

      Radicalised Islam has NO peace in its foundation. Instead, 2 doctrines rules supreme - 1) an eye for an eye & 2) kafir-mengkafir. There is no gray area.

      So, when that form of tribalistic arabization occurs, u don't have Islamization.

      U have war against humanity, just like the isis monster!

    2. "SIS is a US-Israeli creation, a fact as clear as the sky is blue. It’s a truth as black and white as the colors on their flag. For many alternative news readers, this may be patently obvious, but this article is written for the large majority of people in the world who still have no idea who is really behind the rise of ISIS. No matter which name they go by – ISIS, ISIL, IS or Daesh – the group has been deliberately engineered by the US and Israel to achieve certain geopolitical goals. They are a religious, fundamentalist, Sunni terrorist organization created to terrorize and overthrow certain secular or Shiite Arab nations such as Syria and Iraq, but they are not just “Islamic”. They may be Muslims, and they may be advocating an Islamic State, but they are very much working towards the goals of Zionism. It’s amazing how many people still struggle to get that point. We have been inundated with propaganda surrounding the fraudulent war on terror, notably terms such as Islamic terrorism and radical Islam, but more accurate phrases would be Zio-Islamic terrorism and radical Zio-Islam. Secret military agencies such as the CIA and the Mossad pull the strings. Here is a list of the top 10 ‘indications’ that ISIS is a US-Israeli creation." ~ Makia Freeman.

      Just like 9/11: Who created it and started the war on terrorism? The Arab tribes did it! Wakakaka…

      Who created the Babas and Nyonyas and their famous Pantun Baba and the Dondang Sayang or perhaps the Malay-nization of the Chinese classical Nan Yin?

      Of course, to CK, the Malay Islamist did it! Wakakaka again…

    3. 1st about Chinese classical Nan Yin. This is the subject I love & know a bit.

      One of the M'sian expert in this field is an AiFM DJ, who has done extensive research.

      OK, back to fact.

      The famous Pantun Baba and the Dondang Sayang were the products of a group of people, branding their daily feelings with their surroundings. Period.

      There isn't anything to do with who they r. What their religion is.

      In short, it's an artistic expression. So, where is the Malay-nization process comes in?

      Just bcoz the linguistic tone used is Melayu is a coincidence for that group of people.

      There r more to Chinese classical Nan Yin than the Babas/Nyonyas style.

      Perhaps u ONLY want to mention this format just bcoz the linguistic tone used is Melayu. & being Melayu related is all u care!

      Similar about the quoted Makia Freeman's article. Being Zionist related is all u care. More about this in later comments.

  5. "Under the leadership of Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak, the government of Malaysia has taken a firm stance against violent extremism through inclusion and education, which UNESCO considers the most effective long-term prevention to forces threatening to divide societies"...."An example to countries of all income levels"...."Proof that respect for diversity is a source of enrichment"...."The teaching of religion to promote tolerance, respect and mutual understanding"... said Irina Bokova - who will probably be the next UN Sec Gen to replace Ban Ki-Moon.

    well said indeed..

    1. Unesco Secretary General talking through her arse...
      luckily latest news is ...she has No Chance to be the next UN Secretary General...

      "The teaching of religion to promote tolerance, respect and mutual understanding"

      Absolutely no evidence of this on the ground....

      The Friday sermons are getting more divisive than ever, promoting suspicion against nons.
      Mara continues to hold Anti-Christian seminars.
      Biro Tata Negara continues unabated, teaching divisive hate...

    2. Well said????

      Let's have a simple lesson about lobbying talk.

      1st, that portion of words was part of the write-up used to justify rosman's supposedly 'well-earned' award sponsored by UNESCO.

      What is it got to do with najib?

      Just bcoz of the husband/wife relationship?

      The lobbyist talk SHOULD target rosman, not najib in this case, right?

      Been a resident of NY, it's just inconceivable for Irina to ignored/unawares of the opinions expressed in WSJ about MO1 of M'sia, right?

      What gives? What went wrong in that speech writing?

      The ONLY indication is - this was a dressed up job to white-wash najib while giving rosman an incognito award!

      Why Irina was so careless?

      Perhaps, many things have to do with her UN Sec Gen campaign fund & support. Right?

    3. "mikin tak serupa cakap" hypocrite who professed to be holy

  6. Yes, PM Najib should be given the opportunity to be PM for at least as long or a longer tenure than Mahathir's, to take Malaysia to ever higher levels.

  7. Just how was Mahathir's stewardship of the economy vs Najib ?
    I dislike Mahathir as well, but here's one more reason why I think Najib is a far more dangerous PM for Malaysia.

    Malaysia's External Debt - money we owe Foreigners, potentially having to Gadai your grandmother, your mother, your daughter, your grandaugher to foreigners a-la Greece if Malaysia can't pay back.

    1990 - RM 10 Billion Mahatiu / Daim Zainuddin (Finance)
    1997 - RM 9 Billion Mahatiu / Anwar Ibrahim (Finance)
    2008 - RM 400 Billion Najib / Najib (Finance)
    2016 - RM 800 Billion Najib / Najib

  8. "Social Contract"! What Social Contract? Can anyone tell me what is contained in the 'contract', who inked the documents for the Malays who inked for the nons? And when was it inked? And where is that original document being kept now?

    As far as I remember that description only 1st came out of TM's mouth after he became the PM and never before appeared anywhere or ever before mentioned by anyone.

    IMHO it was a bad choice of term to describe the generic meaning of the original terms and conditions of the Merdeka Constitutios which were never a trade-off between the Malay and the nons.

    People like LKS, LLS and the likes who kept reaffirming the term are not doing us a favour!

    1. Ungku Aziz confirmed there was and is NO social contract - see special feature on top right hand column of this blog