Friday, August 24, 2012

PKR and its arrogant tokong

Poor Lim Guan Eng!

Battered from without and now from within.

As if BN's insidious fabrications against him via his son and then his wife and so on so forth weren't rotten enough, Guan Eng has just been stabbed by a musuh dalam selimut Pakatan.

Tape recordings macam the Korrect Korrect Korrect episode have emerged on the web to tell a tale of how Lim's political ally, PKR in Penang, views him and his leadership. 'Twas not so much their opinions per se that matter but more about the inevitable damage those opinions allowed in the public arena would wreck to Lim's and consequentially DAP's disadvantage.

Loose lips sink ships, or in this case, (the potential to sink) the Rocket spaceship. As they say, 'perception' matters in politics and whether there's any truth in PKR Mansor Othman's vocalised opinion of Lim GE, doesn't matter a bloody fig. Each and everyone of his enemies, from those in MCA to pro-UMNO & ultra anti-Lim GE  bloggers (wakakaka), and even those in PKR, will have a field day dissecting, pseudo-analysing and writing ugly dissertations on Lim Guan Eng's political leadership.

With friends like PKR, DAP sure as hell doesn't need enemies.

Now, much as it may sound strange, I personally opine the hand that has plunged the assassin stiletto into Lim's back (or side, wakakaka) is not that of Mansor Othman, though he naively lent his hand to the assassin for the backstabbing job.

Othman must have believed an internal PKR meeting to assure the Tian Chua's (Chinese) faction in PKR they won't be sold out would have been conducted in confidentiality, and that a wee informal bad-mouthing might placate those worried cult members of the Heavenly Snake* faction of PKR. I have personally witnessed such so-called confidential meetings where the chair would with reckless bravado or lack of discretion let loose on rumours - I suppose we Malaysians just love to gossip on whatever, regardless of the truth. We usually forget the consequences.

* Tian Chua in Penang Hokkien sound like Heavenly Snake wakakaka


The truth is that PKR (if we leave out the PRM component) has been KeADILan has been UMNO. It undeniably possesses UMNO genes and characteristics but it claims to be multi-racial, a claim somewhat discredited by Anwar Ibrahim's poor treatment of many of its erstwhile Indian members who left in droves - now, if they hadn't, would Azmin Ali have a chance of becoming party deputy president and eventually party president?

So while the ex-UMNO members represent the core of PKR and dominate party policies and decision making, and precisely because of all these, the nons want so desperately to demonstrate their relevance in the party.

And, hey hey hey, there's the PKR Chinese faction, with its unspoken faction leadership reputed to have been assumed by Tian Chua.

Tian Chua is of course not his birth/legal name, which is Chua Tian Chang. It's obvious he has clung on to his Aussie-given name.

Western nations have this (culturally) bad habit of westernising Chinese names by relegating the Chinese surname to being the last name (where the western surname stands), thus Chua Tian Chang became Tian Chang Chua, and under the Western-Christian naming concept, which has First name (Personal or as Malaysians know it, Christian name), then Middle name, and finally Last name (or Surname), Tian was believed to be his 'First' name, thus Tian Chua, not unlike Elvis Presley from Elvis (1st name) Aaron (Middle name) Presley (last name) wakakaka.

Hmmm, I wonder what his parents or siblings call him? Probably Chai or Chang.

For more of Australian (western) mangling of Chinese names, please read my post What's in a name! wakakaka.

What;s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any name would smell as sweet
- Shakespeare, Romeo & Juliet (II, ii, 1-2)

And I wonder what role/status former MCA man Chua Jui Meng has in PKR, and what threat he poses to the current leadership of Tian Chua? But sorry, this have to be another story.

Anyway, long before the current 'Lim GE is an arrogant and cocky tokong' brouhaha, courtesy of PKR's Mansor Othman wakakaka, Tian Chua had been well aware that his Heavenly Snake faction in PKR might not have a role at all, or at best only a token one, if Anwar Ibrahim were to see DAP as the Pakatan component to be given responsibility for Chinese and Indian majority constituencies.

Thus, prior to 2008, in order to prevent such a terrifying Pakatan status quo from setting in to the disadvantage of the Heavenly Snake faction, he and/or his cohorts had the treacherous habit of making pre-emptive strikes against DAP in seat allocations, by making unilateral media announcements of seat allocations for Pakatan (not PKR) which strangely, if you believe in coincidences wakakaka, usually favoured PKR.

Of course those 'unilateral' announcements meant that DAP leaders would, after reading the morning news, invariably exclaim 'WTF!' wakakaka.

Alas, despite all its pre-emptive strikes, the general success (or lack of) by PKR in elections has been noticeably inferior to DAP , especially in Sarawak, and coupled with the avalanche-like dominance of DAP in Penang DUN, have dampened their (Chinese) members' confidence severely, thus it was hardly surprising these PKR members in Penang desperately sought Mansor Othman's assurances that he would not relinquish any of PKR's seats allocated in 2008, even the ones they lost, to DAP.

The only black mark on Mansor in his tête-à-tête with his PKR colleagues has been his unwarranted remarks that:

They (the DAP) are sure of winning 19 (seats) and they want more. Because with two more (seats) they can form their own government and they can take from us (PKR reps) to be on their side and (then) abandon us (PKR).

Stupid, isn't it? Would Lim have done that and soured DAP's relationship with PKR at federal level or in Selangor and Perak?

But I suppose once Mansor allowed his mouth to babble away like the local village gossip-monger about the DAP, just to mollify and assure his party Chinese members he won't sell them down the river, he couldn't stop the momentum of the shit pouring out, alas, all without the moderating effect of conscious political prudence.

Obviously someone very very very unhappy in PKR has not only taped what Mansor said, but has released that recording in the public domain.

Lastly, we note that while the Malaysian media have reported such a controversial piece of news, of Mansor Othman and his private but naughty remarks against Lim Guan Eng, Free Malaysia Today has been significantly silent wakakaka. Buat ta'tahu eh? 


  1. As a Penangite and DAP loyalist, I will say that Lim and DAP Penang needs sift out the kernel of truth from the emotional chaff of the leaked statements, regardless of whether Mansor actually said it.

    Among the large number of independent Penang voters who are not necessarily DAP loyalists, there is an increasing view of Lim GE and DAP as competent at administration but poor listeners - some would call it "arrogant".
    The way Lim and the Penang state government handled the issue of environmental damage from hillside development, as well as affordable housing for lower income people came across in a grating and abrasive manner to many voters, even if DAP were right.
    You can be right but lose the electorate, such is the game of politics.

    It is these independent voters, not UMNO loyalists who will be Lim Guan Eng and DAP's biggest challenge in GE13.
    If he loses them, DAP is gone in Penang, a one term wonder.
    Unlikely but don't believe that it will be impossible to happen.

    1. Isn't it the same message should be preached to khalid team? I am afraid it's selangor gonna be one term wonder. Thanks to azmin Ali - khalid feud.

      This time I am with you on this. I am looking forward to your duel with clf in din merican's blog

  2. With DAP "friends" like Ktemoc, PKR doesn't need enemies.

  3. when I read this in the MSM today, I was laughing our loud.
    Padan muka Pakatan. You don't know all this while, you are taken for a ride.
    Anwar for PM? Hahaha, langkah mayat DAP dulu.
    So sad that Mansor Othman just realized that LGE is cocky and arrogant.
    The Chinaman equivalent to Anwar. Tatak ngamlor. Where can ah both wants to be PM.

  4. PKR is the perfect UMNO Baru version 2 to replace the current UMNO Baru.......with a REFORMASI tag to boot, and re-labelled as multicultural party (konon nya no more race based, kakakaka ).

    The taikos are the ex UMNOs, the chinese faction under the Heavenly Snake is the new MCA, and the indians, well, the indians...are still in formation.

    So after the taikos ( pkr malays only ) had had their own private pow wows/ private meets and make ALL the important decisions, then they will hold 'save face' official meetings with those previously-labelled pendatangs to give a semblance that it is a genuine multiracial party, all with equal rights, no secret agendas, all above booard, all sama sama hidup dan mati.....all blah blah blah...

    And they will only concede that DAPs is no longer arrogant tokong if they dissolve their party and join merge with PKR and all the chinee there come under the Heavenly Snake.

    If you see a chinese and a heavenly snake...who will you kill first ? kakakaka.

  5. Just because of seats, they label LGE as arrogant. Which party does not want to contest in more seats. PAS wanted to contest in more seats, but they were not label as arrogant. PKR wants to contest even in more seats, just like in Sibu. They contest in so many seats, but win so little. Why nobody said that PKR is arrogant because they wanted to contest in so many seats in Sibu. These people are so scared that DAP wants to contest in those seats.

  6. Keep focused on The Agenda, which is to remove BN's defacto permanent tenancy of the Malaysian Federal government.
    The rest is just dross.

    In my line of work , easily 20, 30 different threads of activity can pop up in a day. Some of it just trivial noise, some of it from others who want YOU to focus on THEIR Agenda. Unless I'm very ruthless with my concentration, it will be very easy to stray from my objectives.

    Folks, another 20 years of UMNO/BN Federal rule and Malaysia will likely be looking at the Phillipines and Indonesia with envy. And that's a distinct possibility if we stay fixated on how imperfect is PR and PKR.

  7. aiyoh more propaganda spin from ktemoc the stupid, the so called DAP supporter wor.
    He blames freemalaysiatoday for not reporting crap such as this as though got different agenda?
    So what?
    ktemoc also doesnt report on the tons of Barisan Najis misdeeds what!
    so also got hidden agenda izit ?
    ktemoc mebbe Najis Razak illegitimate brother? thats why he is so silent ?

    anyway, whats the big deal? PKR thinks LGE is not a great leader , whats the big deal?
    much like what some DAP leaders probably think of DSAI and AA, same same lah.
    The main point here is this!
    Nobody or no one party in Pakatan is subservient to another. PKR stands on equal footing with DAP and PAS and is allowed an opinion. Same like DAP is allowed to disagree on equal footing with PAS.
    Something obviously ktemoc doesnt understand. DAP is not the boss party in Pakatan. Nobody is.

    So long as Pakatan knows who is the common enemy in Mlaaysia.

    As usual, ktemoc the stupid a bit prejudiced.
    But what else is new.


    1. Lge never claim that he's a great leader. I think he's opposite to what pkr wanna portray him. Perhaps we should probe deeper, why this minute was leaked to the public? Izzit because another pre emptive strike on the preservation of seats. Mind you sunny, dap never officially ask pkr to fuck off from Penang.

  8. There's a simple reason why so many young voters have taken up support for the PR agenda, while so many old timers, even though they may know very well how awful BN/UMNO is, are full of caveats and derision at how flawed PR and PKR is.

    To be frank, the old timers have no long term stake in the future of Malaysia, say, 20 years from now. Many of those who comment here will either no longer be in this world, or doddering around in adult Pampers. To them, the Malaysian status quo, perhaps with just a strong DAP opposition thrown in, makes the most short term sense for the next election.

    Or like Ktemoc, will have taken the Oath of Allegiance to King Charles III or the Republic of Australia, depending on the outcome of the debate over Anglo-monarchy in Ozzland.

  9. Aiya...ooh, ooh..the stupids and the dishonest are back in full force....would have thought the ketupat they stuffed themselves silly with would have shut them up for at least 2 such luck.

    No need lah for any bloggers, KT included, to lead the young new voters astray......the parties in the PR coalition are busily doing it themselves.....PKR has been at it right from the beginning, the lastest being the arrogant tokong thingy, and the holy nik showing true colours as always it MUST be during the most critical moment when GE's round the corner :

    These PR parties just could refrain from tearing at each other's throats in public.......and then after the brouhaha, we get to see " i did not actually say that....oh, maybe i did say THAT word, but...."

    Podah lah these blood sucking ticks. Politicians !!

  10. Typo error....should read...These PR parties just could NOT refrain from tearing at each other's throat in public.....

  11. Well at least we prove we r not running dogs to najis raZak and umno.

    That's what supporrting Barisan najis means be a slave n running dog and keep quiet I guess.

    Cutting each others throat? Give me that anytime that being a running dog to a corrupt UMNO.


  12. Mansor is not the first or only opinion maker outside of BN who has called Lim Guan Eng "arrogant" - with cause.

    Lim Guan Eng IS arrogant-lah....the truth hurts, ya ?

  13. Mansor is not the first or only opinion maker outside of BN who has called Lim Guan Eng "arrogant" - with cause.

    Lim Guan Eng IS arrogant-lah....the truth hurts, ya ?

  14. To go far in politics,one has to wander deep into the swamps.That is where the rewards are.That is the reason one PKR leader is willing to go the extra mile.To let his boss bossed over his wife.In return he gets to live in a few million ringgit mansion.

  15. "dap never officially ask pkr to fuck off from Penang. "

    To do so would be political suicide. And if it ever happened, would be truly climbing the heights of arrogance.

    Pride cometh before the fall.

  16. "Cutting each others throat? Give me that anytime that being a running dog to a corrupt UMNO."

    There's a time for everything....and NOW is NOT the time to prove they are not 'running dogs' to each other.

    NOW is the time to show a united front, to show that this PR coalition is viable and mature and rational. That they could work with each other, that they are sincere and respect each other ( even behind closed door ).

    The young new voters are watching and reading everything and quietly assessing before that D-Day when they enter the voting booth.

    Don't go blaming others when the leaders themselves are doing everything they could to NOT win the election.
    Some blind supporters will justify ANYTHING to deflect criticism, however justifible that criticism.

    This blogger got it just right - M Cube !!!!

  17. PKR is just merely showing their true form.....being UMNO to the core. Just because they don a different uniform, with the word REFORMASI, does it mean they are no longer the same person ?

  18. So Mansor let go steam on the Penang DAP leadership.
    Is it really that large a fault ?

    There continues to be a hard-core of DAP supporters (including this blog's owner) who have always been more focused on demonising PKR as compared to their mild critique of BN/UMNO.

    So this blog owner is just engaged in a pot calling the kettle black.

  19. Wooo....the bear fcuk...awesome ! A pic says a thousand words, wakakaka.

    Love that you post scrumptious pics with your articles, Kaytee ! Keep 'em coming. Many thanks.

  20. many Ktemoc groupies need to grovel so hard lah...

  21. I will apologize to Lim Guan Eng at the right time to end speculations that thee is rift between pkr and dap.
    I do not like ktemoc.
    He confuses young voters to favor BN.

  22. This year marks my 40th year as a DAP member. Nothing fancy, just an ordinary member all this while. Overall it has been a great experience to contribute to what I believe in.
    However, as a life-long socialist, I have to say I'm disappointed with Lim Guan Eng's evolution or rather degradation of the DAP into effectively The Developer's Association of Penang.

    In my neighbourhood, the resident's association is fighting what seems to be a culture of impunity with hillslope development. Were just asking MPPP to enforce laws which are on the books, no more , no less.
    All MPPP seem to be able to do is to levy puny fines which those highly profitable developers can just brush off like flea bites.

    Privately, MPPP officers tell me their hands are tied, because they have to accept "political direction" from above.

    Hello, hello, its DAP running the Penang state government, not Barisan Nasional !
    If its true, I cry for my beloved DAP.

  23. Anyway what's the alternative ? Vote Barisan najis?

    Not only will they still rape Penang but u won't een get back a cent lar.

    Remember if u don't vote Pakatan u r choosing Barisan najis

    Somehing ktemoc the stupid always omits.


  24. the tussle and bickering is fine, the three parties should criticize each other on issues that would have bad impact toward the people, and of course sometimes is from their respective perspective, let the people judge them rather than everything close door.

    mansor is doing okay, i like his name calling, the tokong sound apt :)

  25. If you cut through all the crap, the bottom line lesson is that Penang needs a strong and effective opposition to keep DAP honest.

    The 11 UMNO reps can't do it - partly because of the racial overtones of the conflict between a Malay-based opposition, partly because of the tainted personal histories of many of the UMNO reps.

    So, Penangites, its necessary for the good of Penang to vote in a strong, balanced opposition in Penang. Keep DAP / PKR in power if you wish.
    The ideal ratio in the State Assembly should be 55% (or less) PR and 45% BN, and DAP without sufficient numbers to form a state government on its own.

    Help keep DAP honest and listening.

  26. DAP with, and contesting in, 19 states seats can never form state government by itself.

  27. Ktemoc is a BN supporter....really..

  28. Woah...all the anwaristas and DAP haters are out in full force. Every one, whether leaders or just the ordinary members and non members, all ada agenda sendiri and manyak manyak axes to grind.

    Throw in the UMNOnites and their bloody leaders into the mix.....we are all having huge muhibah party, cheerfully roasting each other kaw kaw. Happy GE13 !

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  30. Ktee deleted my comment.
    How democratic.

  31. Dunno what you wrote encik mansor....tetapi padan muka laa...must be something racist and lewd to kena deleted laa. Masuk rumah orang, mesti lah sopan santun sikit laa...don't shit on the carpet as they say in engrish laa...wanna shit, go to jamban. Wanna 'democratic', sendiri pun mesti laa ada sedikit manners laa.

    P A D A N M U K A.....

  32. Nothing lewd or racist stuffs.
    He is not democratic.
    His freedom of speeches is according to his likes and dislikes.
    Anyway, I have decided to stop commenting after this.