Tuesday, January 07, 2014

The cock-a-doodle-doo story

All the three major Christian churches, Roman Catholic*, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox (Coptic, Ethiopian, etc), recognize the Apostle (Simon) Peter as the first archbishop and thus the pope.

* The Protestant church and Church of England could be considered as splinter groups of the RC church

okay lah, I was the 1st Pope but I acknowledge I wasn't infallible

Yet we learn from the bible that the Apostle Peter, later canonized as a saint, denied his Lord Jesus, not just once but thrice, in what we Malaysians in our cute Manglish would described as 'acted dunno one', wakakaka.

This was of course at a time when Jesus was in deep trouble with the Romans, thus explaining Peter's denial of knowing him or being his follower - a denial, as mentioned, done not once but on three separate occasions, 'ere the rooster crowed.

Luke 22:32-34 (KJV) tells us of the dialogue between Jesus and Peter as follows:

But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.

And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.


Look, Peter was the No 1 disciple of Jesus and Christianity's leading apostle! Yet he denied his spiritual master, his Lord, disowning any knowledge of, or relationship to the Christian saviour? Why?

Simple explanation - Peter was shit scared for his own life, his personal survival despite his vain boast prior to the official persecution of Jesus and his followers, of 'Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.'

Now, if the No 1 disciple of Jesus and Christianity's leading apostle, the Christian church's first archbishop and first pope could deny his own saviour, can we ever blame Malaysian Muslims from not openly supporting the Malaysian RC church in its insistence to refer to the Christian god as Allah?

Though I was annoyed by JAIS' arrogant and illegal raid to seize copies of the al Kitab from a non-Muslim organization, the Bible Society of Malaysia (BSM), a highly offensive and intrusive infringement of non-Muslim domain, I didn't and won't support the church on the Allah-word issue. To know why, please see my posts:

(a) Allah, Elohim or Yahweh?

(b) Now, who are the Arab wannabes?

(c) The Church & Allah

And I wasn't surprised that PKR Muslim members like Wan Azizah, Azmin Ali, Nurul Izzah etc didn't dare enter into the fray over the JAIS' raid. I don't blame anyone of them for the same reason that even Christianity's great apostle St Peter denied his Lord at a time when it would have required not only his guts to make a stand on his faith and loyalty to his saviour but also his life (when then he, Peter that was, would have become a saint much earlier).

No, it would have been unwise of them to do so, especially Princess Reformasi (wakakaka) who had on a previous occasion unfortunately committed a drastic religious faux pas when in a forum in early November 2012, she 'expressed her support for freedom of religion for all Malaysians, including Malays, ....... [where] Her remarks drew widespread backlash among conservative Muslim groups and Umno hardliners, who accused the PKR vice president of supporting apostasy'.

okay lah, I am Princess Reformasi but I acknowledge I hadn't been infallible

For more of above, see my post Tough for Nurul, tough is Nurul? where the question-mark in my post title suggested that Nurul's 'toughness' was questionable and that she didn't come out of that faux pas very well. 

In fact, she had a humongous bloody fright when she realized somewhat too late the socio-politico-religious import of saying that she supported freedom of religion even for Malays.

She had to scurry off to Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin, the former Perlis Mufti, to help her explain to the public what she had stated.

But Siti Kasim, the Bar Council human rights committee and Orang Asli rights advocate, was less generous than kaytee (wakakaka) because in the midst of that alleged apostasy brouhaha by Nurul, she (Siti) emerged to say that she was disappointed with Princess Reformasi for backing down from her (Nurul's) statement, namely, that freedom of religion was a right for all including the Malay-Muslims.

Siti lamented that Nurul failed to stand firm on her remark, saying: “I believe Nurul was just trying to impress the people. She didn't think of the consequences. There’s nothing wrong about it [freedom of religion], she is saying the truth. I expected a hoo-ha after that. But as a politician, you just need to stick to the truth."

"In the following days she ‘retracted’ her remark, and said she did not support apostasy. But indirectly when you say you support freedom of religion, and if Malay wants to get out from Islam, that’s apostasy.”

Yup mateys, I didn't and don't blame Nurul for not wanting to be the Muslim equivalent of Jeanne d'Arc.

okay lah, I am a saint but I acknowledge I wasn't infallible
'coz I was burnt alive

I wrote in that post Tough for Nurul, tough is Nurul? as follows:

Hmmm, maybe Nurul indeed wanted to impress her audience but alamak, Siti, cut her some slack lah as Nurul is still young and really, a babe in the political woods. Besides, to a Muslim, apostasy is an extremely serious issue, where the punishment could well be death (though of course the authorities won't go to that extent in Malaysia).

Her dad, Mr Manmanlai has just emerged, wakakaka, in the current controversy to have, as usual, his cake and eat it too, wakakaka, when he criticized both the high-handedness of the JAIS' raid and three DAP ADUNs for proposing to amend the Selangor Non-Islamic Religions (Control of Propagation Among Muslims) Enactment 1988 - an enactment which prohibits non-Muslims in Selangor from using 35 Arabic words and phrases in their faith, including the Allah word.

In his latter criticism against the DAP ADUNs. Anwar said 'there is no need for such hasty action as there are proper channels within the state government and Pakatan Rakyat for them to put forth their views.'

As for JAIS, Mr Manmanlai declared: “If Jais felt that there are any actions that have contravened the law, then they should call up the relevant parties for an explanation. But you can’t take such drastic action because it will be perceived as anti-Christian. There is no need for such action. It only causes tension.”

To reiterate, I don't blame Anwar or any PKR Muslims or for that matter, any Malay Muslims for being cautious on (or scared of) such a sensitive issue, no, not even the 'Royal MB', wakakaka, for saying words to the effect, let's all toe HRH's line ;-)

And neither should any Christian, because if any Christian wants to criticize Anwar, Nurul, the 'Royal MB' or PKR for buat diam diam saja, or for not saying something stronger on the issue, he/she should first condemn St Peter for denying his Lord Jesus, not just once but 3 times on a matter of faith, yes the Christian faith, even before any rooster went cock-a-doodle-doo, wakakaka.


But it's okay for Ambiga Sreenevasan to whack the Selangor State government for being pathetic in its tepid reaction to the illegal JAIS' raid because she's presumably not a Christian, wakakaka.

Now, having defended PKR wakakaka, let me defend those three DAP Selangor ADUNs - Yeo Bee Yin (Damansara), Rajiv Rishyakaran (Bukit Gasing) and Lau Weng San (Kampung Tunku) - for proposing to amend Selangor's religiously prohibitive enactment, presumably to enable Christians in the state (like Father Lawrence Andrew, wakakaka) to use the Allah word in Christian prayers.

Look mates, they have their own Christian constituencies to look after, just as PKR Muslims have theirs. If they failed to say at least something, their voters won't be too pleased come GE-14.

Hmmm, I wonder about those PKR non-Muslims? Tian Chua seems to be very quiet wakakaka.

But in the midst of all this understandable tap-dancing, Marina Mahathir stands out like a shining beacon. I salute her.


Hopefully in my next I'll have something more to say about Father Lawrence Andrew's arrogant announcement that Catholic churches in Selangor would continue to use the 'Allah' word, ignoring the biblical caution of 1 Samuel 2:3 (KJV), that of:

Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the Lord is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.

Wakakaka or perhaps cock-a-doodle-doo.

ooops, I mean 'doo' not 'boo', wakakaka

okay lah, I am a rooster but I acknowledge I am not infallible

wakakaka

103 comments:

  1. I dont think the priest was arrogant. Rather, he felt the Christian community was being pushed to a corner, and like anyone in a corner, he had to protect his herd and fight back.
    You are not a Christian and hence no matter how much you quote from the Bible, it doesn't show you have much of an understanding of the religion and of St Peter at that time when he did what he did.

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    1. No, rather the priest is making a stand just as kaytee himself is making a stand not supporting Ibans using Allah as God. For that, kaytee got to make a trip to the longhouse to talk to the headhunters. Hahaha!

      Anyway, he's an atheist. So lagi worst. He's dictating christians what words to use. So next time when his arse kenna whooped by Ibans, just walk away

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  2. Kt repeatedly said he didin't blame PKR, yet he/she took a few jabs at them.
    Kt, have you made a profession out of hitting at PKR ?
    Are you paid to do PKR harm ?

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    1. I wish I was/am - could do with some extra money, wakakaka

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    2. Anwar raped his cat some 20 years ago.
      He's incapable of writing anything without adding a few jabs at PKR.

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    3. What's so wrong about jabbing when those kena jabbed deserved them ? Must money exchanged hands in order to point out what's wrong ? Sheesh.....can't argue with fanatics lah

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    4. Nothing wrong......Just curious why kaytee goes to a very extreme

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    5. KT 606, you seize upon every opportunity to take a swipe at PKR makes a suspect. Voluntary admission of being paid to destroy PKR is almost impossible from you.

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    6. 606 or 617, you've got them wrong. It should be 30 frogs on 916 wakakaka. Now you know why, don't you, wakakaka again

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    7. wakakaka, kt has just admitted !

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    8. KT, truth hurts.

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    9. wakakaka, what truth? your intellect is too far above ordinary me, wakakaka again

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  3. Muslim scholars, particularly from the Shia school of thought, believe that the final Imam, who is Imam Mahdi, is the descendant of Apostle (Simon) Peter from his mother’s side and the descendant of Prophet Muhammad from his father’s side.

    Imam Mahdi will assist Isa (Jesus Christ) to bring justice and peace to the world. The original Tawrah (Torah), Zabur (Psalms), Injil (Gospel) will be found by Imam Mahdi and together with the Quran are accepted as one by all the people. The Jews, Christians and Muslims and even Jesus Christ will pray behind Imam Mahdi.

    I like the ending because it is a sort of a unity between Muslims, Christians and the Jews. I wish I could live that long to witness this. Just curious, will Imam Mahdi use the word Allah, Elohim, Yahweh, etc when he lead the congregational prayers.

    - hasan

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    1. And kaytee's sifu, RPK says that men & women do not have natural sin. Marks the great difference between Islam & Judeo-Christian

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    2. we buddhist or taoist or whatever will join the prayer, behind imam mahdi, we will get one atheist to look after our cat n dog while praying since he have nothing to do save writing blog.

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  4. I strongly suspect that our current civilisation will end in an all out nuclear war triggered by conflict between the Cross and the Moon.

    It is necessary to end the current world as we know it , to make way for the final Rapture.

    What you are seeing in Malaysia is just one of the minor side skirmishes, though it may be sufficient to tear your small country apart.

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  5. Hahahaha! Father Andrew is damn arrogant so much so that Marina the auntie kaytee adore got to defend him.

    Kaytee has forgotten Taib Mahmud & his whole coterie of soldiers trying protect sarawakians from being fried till chao tar. Again to refresh kaytee's memory

    25 sarawak muslims seats < 46 non muslim seats.

    http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/01/06/bible-seizure-taib-moves-to-protect-pure-values/

    Anyway, what about this guy

    http://mujahidrawa.blogspot.com/2011/08/jais-raid-on-dumc.html

    Why no adoration for this guy? Is it because he from PAS?

    http://jkkkbatuban.blogspot.com/2010/04/mujahid-yusof-rawa-is-mp-for-parit.html

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  6. kt,
    anwar is manmanlai. whats your beloved najib? slower than manmanlai?
    shhh....u hear najib on Jais recent raid, KT?

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    1. he is happy wakakaka-ing away in his mansion, knowing the issue will split Pakatan, or at least cause suspicions among them. That's why he has acted manmanlai in not saying anything - all profit and no loss for UMNO

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    2. So you admited that Najib is behind all this bullshit just like what Idi Amin did in the Air France Hijack. Similar scenario. Palestinians hijacked the plane from Athens to Kampala. Idi played manman lai, releasing all non jews first. Then he went to maritius for his OAU conference as chairman. According to kaytee's solution, the Isreali should kuai kuai exchange the prisoners lor while eating the humble pie. Instead this happen

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTEkQcYS0w8

      Hahahaha, I can't imagine Khalid Ibrahim akin to Selangor Yithak Rabin. By the way, using kaytee's analogy, perhaps palestinians should just give up on the fight lor. Sama sama ma

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    3. Yeah, just like, if not worse than Anwar, making use of this issue for political gain, while the nation slide further down the slippery slope.

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    4. It may well be Najib or some UMNO bloke who's likely to be behind the JAIS intrusion, and hasn't that gnam gnam put centrifugal stress on PR, an UMNO aim? Now PAS' Khalid Samad has virtually told the 3 DAP ADUNs to shut up.

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    5. Incidentally my dear looes, your "... So you admited that ...." is quite childish lah, wakakaka.

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    6. Your sifu, RPK has spoken. The law is the law, so RPK says

      http://www.malaysia-today.net/to-know-where-to-go-you-must-first-know-where-you-are/

      Make sure you tune your channel before entering sarawak. Headhunters are looking for RPK & kaytee

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  7. i think marina is consistence, thus over time people would start to appreciate her no matter what her hypo dad did, naturally anyone behave in the same maanner will turn from zero to hero. being a turncoat is entirely different story.

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    1. HY... I think most if not all modern Muslims are hidden Marinas. However, there will always be some who are on the lookout for causes they can champion to gain the favour of their political masters.

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    2. disagrree, in fact i think most muslim, modern or not, are hidden marina.

      and fully agree that there is some, no matter how subtle they write, reveal their true colur in bootlicking their master, tapi tantrum pula when people call him turncoat. even a woman like marina stand firm, while man like him cant own up. tak malu ke?

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    3. HY... perhaps we should absorb the turncoat's unfelt shame and explode it in the final denouement eh?

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  8. What does all this got to do with the daily struggle for a living ?

    The recent and impending price increases hit everybody, but they hit the low income Malays the worst.
    Maybe this is a way to divert their attention and get everyone worked up about "Allah"

    Do you know what has happened after the DUMC raid last year ? Many Christian charities which have a charter to offer aid irrespective of race or religion now turn away Malay Muslims in need. Its not worth the potential trouble with authorities.

    One-off aid is easy. It is the most difficult cases of hard core poverty which require follow up - you need to stay in touch with them, visit where they live and work out how best the family can be helped out of their situation.
    All too easy to generate suspicion of "proselytization".

    Who are the losers ? The poorest of the Malay Muslims.
    The Muslim organisations are not taking up the gap. Frankly, many of them are inefficient and some engage in "leakage". A fraction of their funds actually gets to aid those in need.

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    1. Golgotha,
      There is an element of truth in proselytization. But then again, what the fuck kaytee is doing with his articles on christianity. Sama sama also. Kaytee is as hypo as manmanlai whom he hated due to his invovlement with his sister's cat.
      Of course, kaytee's very oblivious with the hyperactive islamisation of Sabah started with Tun Mustapha, Tunku's strong ally. Strange hah, some Tunku's friends had become muslim. One of them is Lim Yew Hock. Yew Hock was appointed as Australia High Commissioner.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lim_Yew_Hock

      "In 1964, Lim was appointed Malaysian High Commissioner to Australia, based in Canberra. In June 1966, he went missing from Canberra. A massive police search was unsuccessful in locating him. His wife and daughters went on national television to plead for his safe return, and the Malysian Prime Minister at the time, Tunku Abdul Rahman, made a personal appeal from Kuala Lumpur and sent Malaysia's chief of protocol, Enche Abdul Rahman Jallal, to Sydney to help in the search.[3]
      It was discovered that Lim had flown from Canberra to Sydney under the name "Hawk". It was also revealed that he had an ongoing association with a 19-year-old Kings Cross stripper, Sandra Nelson. Initially, she too could not be located, but later said she had no idea where Lim had been. Then, just as mysteriously as he had disappeared, Lim turned up after being missing for ten days. A passing stranger had discovered him ill, wandering on a Sydney street, and took him in. Apparently the stranger was not aware of Lim’s identity for nine days, and had not even made the connection from the nationwide media coverage of his disappearance. The stranger drove him to Canberra to return him to the High Commission. The stranger’s identity was never revealed.[3]
      In later years Lim became a Muslim and adopted the name of Haji Omar Lim Yew Hock. He died in Saudi Arabia on 30 November 1984 and was buried in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.[1]"

      Hmmm.....I wonder if kaytee was related to Lim Yew Hock. Hahahahaha!

      Back to the story, Islamisation so active in Sabah that at one point of time, siginifcant number of aduns in sabah were to become muslim.

      My point is........there is a hyperactive conversion done by people such as Mustapha......but no issue......so?

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    2. There are and were quite a number of high profile Chinese converts in Malaysia. They are quite well accepted as effectively "Malays"...

      Omar Ong Yoke Lin, who became Senate YDP (President) , later founded OYL Industries, many business opportunities given.
      Ridhuan Tee (enough said).....
      Omar Ong (converted when his father converted) - influential Petronas director, "Najib's man" on the Petronas Board.

      Anwar Ktemoc .....(wannabe)....

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  9. Malaysia Constitution Article number: 11.

    (1)Every person has the right to profess and practice his religion and, subject to Clause (4), to propagate it.
    (2) No person shall be compelled to pay any tax the proceeds of which are specially allocated in whole or in part for the purposes of a religion other than his own.
    (3) Every religious group has the right -
    (a) to manage its own religious affairs;
    (b) to establish and maintain institutions for religious or charitable purposes; and
    (c) to acquire and own property and hold and administer it in accordance with law.

    (4) State law and in respect of the Federal Territories of Kuala Lumpur and Lubuan, federal law may control or restrict the propagation of any religious doctrine or belief among persons professing the religion of Islam.
    (5) This Article does not authorize any act contrary to any general law relating to public order, public health or morality.

    Is Article 11 of the Constitution of Malaysia now dead ?
    Are we now an Islamic Caliphate ?

    The Selangor Enactment which Jais used is meant to be under Clause (4).
    But it is important to understand the spirit of Clause (4) - the key word is control or restrict the propagation of any religious doctrine or belief among persons professing the religion of Islam.
    The government has the right to make laws penalising or restricting any attempt to convert Muslims to other religions - but its a huge leap from this to making laws to dictate what words may or may not be used in a Malay language Bible, or even outlaw Malay language bibles.

    Its like saying motor cars are forbidden because it MAY be used to knock down and kill someone. Of course it MAY, but it would be stupid to ban driving the motor car in itself.

    Ktemoc's arguments against Father Lawrence et al, and proposing "Elohim" to be used, is more under Clause 5 - freedom of religion does not give you the right to carry out acts threatening public order, health or morality.

    Wow ! Its a massive leap to accuse the Catholic Church of actions threatening public order. Now Father Lawrence is being questioned for Sedition.

    This is a scary, slippery slope we are on.
    If I were a younger man, I would likely be tempted to apply to emigrate to Australia or Canada.

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    1. That's why I vehemently oppose Kaytee's scheme of asking christian to lay off using Allah in Bahasa Malaysia. In another word, kaytee, FUCK OFF.

      It's more or less dead. Of course, kaytee would pin blame on Anwar because he's one of those leaders active pursuing poseltysing non islam to islam akidah past & even present.

      These contested clauses are very vague. Which is why I felt that the best way would be religion to be separated from the state. But guess what, melayu are not really united as you think. No Islam, no ketuanan melayu. UMNO mampus.

      Kaytee was not proposing to Father Andrew. He's demanding. That's why I say Father Andrew is very kind. I would say : FUCK OFF! Anyway, ask kaytee why is he in australia.

      What would be the best response? RPK told all the non muslims to act blur because we don't have the numbers & the GUNs. Actually, precisely why non muslims ain't active in pursuing their rights as compared to BLACKS IN USA.

      What Father Andrew is doing is akin to what Rosa Park did long long time ago?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDZK09AUXT8

      We should be Rosa Parks....Ask extremists to fuck off. That includes kaytee

      As for Marina, while kaytee may have adored her further, I do wonder if Marina would do one step further as what Charles Freer Andrew has done to India

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  10. Jais now plans to convert the seized Bibles to toilet paper - for Muslim use only.
    Oh....now I remember Muslims don't use toilet paper...

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  11. Any good Chinese will pray to all Gods, as long as it may help fatten their wallet....wakakaka....but I will not "potong" any piece of skin or stop eating pork....

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  12. Since kaytee is in australia, this is an extremely good documentary that may sensationalise kaytee. Why? I believe kaytee with such intellect would finally understand this "fable". Hahahaha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQsDM7ZpsQ

    Of course, this video in the head of some morons such as Ibrahim Ali) who equate to......You fill the dots.

    Such video is the same analogy in sabah from mustapha till now

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  13. Kaytee,
    Tell me if I am not blur. Notice any VIP there. Guess why I salute Hisham Rais rather than RPK. I wonder what your sifu, RPK going to say now. Hisham Rais is definitely a pure malay. Plus why yingeland graduates are far more progressive.

    http://tukartiub.blogspot.com/2014/01/kepala-islam-kepala-bana-apa.html

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    1. Looes, kindly ignore R.
      Fell from the pedestal long time ago.
      He's a disgrace !

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  14. I'm a Malay living in Australia, still a practicing Muslim.

    This whole episode is so stupid, and Malay leaders are so lacking in leadership.
    Leadership is not pandering to the lowest common denominator
    Leadership is not reinforcing the crowd's worst prejudices.

    True leadership is to inspire the followers to do what is right, even if that is not their basic inclination.

    Just a little step across the border to Indonesia or Singapore , and Allah being used by other People of the Book is not a problem. For people in Sarawak and Sabah, its not a problem.

    Instead , Malaysia's bullshit leaders are insisting on massively reinforcing their ignorant tempurung which measure 500 miles long and 200 miles wide, a tiny slice of the whole wide world.

    These are the same people who regularly take taxpayer-paid 1st Class flights to London , or even on the Federal Government private jet, and they know very well Christians using Allah is not a problem in the rest of the world.

    Now they want to charge a Catholic priest for Sedition.

    The whole world is laughing at Malaysia.

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    1. Kudos Aussie Mama.....so very well put ! We need more, much much more the likes of you here in Malaysia to turn the tide, but alas....the prognosis is not very bright if we continue on with this Umno rampage and plunder, especially when the PM is so absent from the scene and the Malays from the Opposition ( read PKR and some from PAS ) are quietly pulling the blanket over their heads on this issue. Truly the whole world is laughing at us now.

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  15. People who know Fat Mama @ Rosma tell me that she is actually a very progressive Muslim woman. But she won't be damaging her husband's position by making contradicting statements.

    DAP , especially, shouldn't be so tough on her. They have a lot more in common than they may realise....wakakaka...

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    1. Hahahahaha! Kaytee supporter hah.......Hahahaha

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  16. Say No to Slander8:38 am, January 10, 2014

    http://beta.malaysiakini.com/news/251133

    Ktemoc,
    Side track a bit , but of interest to you.
    Chandra, had claimed that “Anwar in his dealings with Kampung Rawa clash between Hindus and Indian Muslims in Penang had said that he would make sure the temple bell would not ring in the country any more if his dictum was not accepted.”

    Anwar sued him, and Chandra has now retracted his statement, made during the 2008 election campaign.
    The claim that Anwar threatened "to ensure the Indian temple bells would not ring in the country any more" is plainly defamatory and not backed by any objective facts and witnesses.

    I thought you should know since you have repeated the same slander many times before.

    Ktemoc - a slanderous blog ?

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    1. This is got to support my matey, kaytee. Like I say, there are elements of truth. Kaytee mentioned about Anwar being the enforcer in the Sabah's UMNO takeover. Truth! But who is the mastermind. Madhater. Furthermore, there are plenty of enforcers who are worse than Anwar. Namely Haris Salleh & Tun Mustapha. Tun Mustapha instigated riots in Kota Kinabalu immediately after Mustapha/Sallehs failed move to take over the government by trickery in 1985, Parin did no just bar from entering the governor's office in 1994. First time was in 1985. After Pairin become chief minister, PBS immediately joined BN. PBS was forced to share power with Berjaya & USNO through power sharing. Did Anwar involve in that too?

      Using Kaytee's analogy, many leaders whom kaytee admired should be condemned.

      Ku Li was involved in enforcing the petroleum agreement, paying state only meagre 5%. Ku Li was directly involved in Kelantan UMNO takeover in 1977. That involved emergency. Ku Li was related to Kelantan royalty.

      What about Tunku then? Behind the scene, he had plotted the downfall of Stephen Kalong Ninkang & Forcing Donald Stephen to resign from chief minister's post.

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  17. http://my.news.yahoo.com/cops-recommend-charging-herald-editor-centre-allah-row-004028208.html

    Father Lawrence Andrew to be charged for Sedition.
    I'm waiting for them to drag the cleric to court.

    Photos of the Islamic country's authorities dragging a Catholic priest in handcuffs and chains for defending the right of freedom of worship will likely end up splashed on CNN, New York Times, London Times, Wall Street Journal.

    It will be Wonderful for Malaysia.

    Actually, it is possible the Catholic Church is secretly looking for it, hence the confrontational approach.

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  18. Hahahahaha, shoot those people who are neither christians nor muslims

    http://www.malaysia-today.net/what-me-worry-2/

    Wait a minute, that means you included.

    I quote "These people do not even accept Allah as their God. They pray to ancestors, statues, trees, the moon, the sun, etc. Hell, many do not even believe in God and think that all religions are nonsense. They mock those who have a religion and who believe in God. Yet they are so kaypoh about whether the Christians can or cannot use Allah as the name of God."

    What the fuck kaytee going to say now? Hahahaha.

    P.S : I am very sure kaytee would ask readers to read it very carefully. I am sure kaytee would say that we are quoting out of context. To be continue

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    1. That R fella doth protests too much....terlalu manyak cakap cakap lah....mostly froth and nonsense nowadays..... !

      Btw....which bloggers nowadays, especially the controversial ones, that don't get at least some downright nasty response to their writes ? One would expect someone as seasoned and experienced would have more equanimity, judiciously peppered perhaps with some humorous tongue-in-cheek come-backs instead of going so bald-headed blasting out completely berserk, gunning down the whole race for the sins of a few.....malu lah. Nowadays, most visit his site to see how much more malu he's gonna make, wakakaka. ( Btw....IF he so happens to see this, he would again jump to the wrong conclusion that I am a Chinese and he will run down the WHOLE Chinese race again in his next write, hehehe ).

      Did he said he's already past 60 and a grandpa ? Can we ask some one so senior to please grow up ? Wakakaka.

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    2. I don't know about RPK la. Anyway, who is he as compared one blog visitor who sometimes drop by Din Merican's blog with his moniker Bean. Of course, I find it difficult to have a fighting match between CLF & Kaytee. Wait a minute, now then I know what CLF stand for. Canis lupus familiaris aka dog......Hahahahaha

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    3. clf dan kt 2x5, read clf write on china n kt write on anwar affirm that. bean is okay, worst is u n din.

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    4. HY... I think you maybe right on CLF and Din. But I think your view on KT is questionable. Though KT's posts mostly nurture controversies but he encourages understanding and dialogue.

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    5. aiseh man, anon, you're my matey lah

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    6. everyone opinion can be questioned, i am not saying kt dun this n that, my point is u cant reason with him on anwar n pkr, similarly u cant reason with clf on topic wrt china. looes is worst, he answer by asking us watching tv series, n read, for instance, man in white :)

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    7. KT... I think you are deeply learned person. You demonstrate to the chagrin of ideologues on both sides of the political aisle. Good and evil is indeed relative.

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    8. wah, gotta buy you a kopi-o at least lah, ;-)

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  19. This is the problem of kaytee not reading the context of the scripture. Never mind la since RPK says all these folks especially kaytee to be shot dead. Perhaps, Peter was shameful that Jesus whom he revered died in a horrible death. Peter was a jew. All the jews believe that the messiah would come back as a lagendary warrior saving the Jews. Unfortunately, Jesus didn't come in a knight shining armour but on a donkey enroute jerusalem. Anyway, it's meaningless to talk to kaytee about this.

    RPK is right, we should gun down kaytee

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    1. "All the jews believe that the messiah would come back as a lagendary warrior ..."

      looes, don't talk COCK-a-doodle-doo lah, wakakaka because the Jewish messiah has NOT arrived YET!!!

      Jesus is the Christian messiah, not the Jewish one. To the Jews, Jesus was an apostate who should have been stoned to death. Instead the Romans crucified him with the agreement of the Jews.

      looes is fond of talking COCK-a-doodle-doo, wakakaka

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    2. Never mind who own the messiah, you're to be shot !

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    3. But then do you know all Jesus FIRST disciples are jews. Hey, come on la, even Paul was a Jew & a Roman. RPK is right I think you should be shot mampus. Hahahaha!

      14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

      17 “‘In the last days, God says,
      I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
      Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
      your young men will see visions,
      your old men will dream dreams.
      18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
      I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
      and they will prophesy.
      19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
      and signs on the earth below,
      blood and fire and billows of smoke.
      20 The sun will be turned to darkness
      and the moon to blood
      before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
      21 And everyone who calls
      on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]

      The Choosing of the Seven

      6 In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Hellenistic Jews[a] among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food. 2 So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, “It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables. 3 Brothers and sisters, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them 4 and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word.”

      Saul’s Conversion

      9 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

      5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.

      “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

      44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.

      Peter Explains His Actions

      11 The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3 and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.”

      4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’

      Kaytee,
      Do read the whole Book of Acts again. All Jesus first disciples are jews. They practised Jewish customs. Plus, you don't have a fucking cibai right to say they are not. Anyway, didn't RPK wanna shoot you for not being a christian to begin with?

      Kaytee, die die! Hahahaha

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    4. the writer(s) of myths could write anything in, like Madam White Snake in the myth of 'The White Maiden Locked for Eternity in the Leifeng Pagoda', or Monkey in 'Journey to the West', wakakaka

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    5. The holy book is filled with plenty of contradictions. One can win an argument by pick and choose a section that siuts his purpose.

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    6. Anon,
      This is exactly what kaytee is doing.

      Kaytee,
      Few simple questions? Are you a chinese or not since you don't in Tua Pek Kong? Ah so, going by the analogy, you are an alien la. Hahahaha! You can't be an ang moh because you don't have red hair. So who are you?

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    7. looes, still think that Jesus is the Jewish Messian wakakaka

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    8. Kaytee,
      I thought you are an atheist, remember what RPK say about you. Now Eat this!

      http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2014/01/11/larang-guna-istilah-hindu/

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    9. wakakaka, too proud to admit you f**k up yourself with a COCK-a-doodle-doo ;-)

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    10. OK, OK, 'Jesus is the Christian messiah, not the Jewish one. ' as Kt wishes.
      But would this mean Christians could call their god Allah ?

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    11. etymologically, historically, internationally and perhaps even legally that would be supported, BUT is it worth it, for all the angst, acrimony and aggression it has been, is and will be causing ... when alternative names of the Christian god with far superior Judeo-Christian pedigree exist

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    12. Only an inch to give up ?
      But there's no stopping for a foot to be demanded later !
      Leave the Cross with no alternative !

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  20. http://beta.malaysiakini.com/news/251467

    Burn the Gurdwaras !

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    1. Don't mess with the Sikhs for singh is king & king is singh

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDk5taBABGY

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JylMwTI4f4Y

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VJgDDwk5jY

      Leads to the assasination of Indira Gandhi

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDrSSQJCQTw

      So don't play play with the singhs......

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  21. Its amazing how Najib and UMNO have got themselves into a win-win-win situation over the Allah issue.
    He's relaxing in his palace while Kutusan , TV3 and Harusani go all out to remind the Malays of the Christian proselytization threat and how only UMNO can protect Islam.

    Meanwhile his MCA attack dogs are successfully fucking DAP for their total impotence in Selangor (and rightly so).

    Khalid Ibrahim is looking such a stupid lame duck issuing instructions to Jais that the Selangor state exco must be informed and consulted before Jais conducts sensitive raids.
    Jais says Fuck You to Khalid.
    http://www.malaysia-today.net/jais-selangor-has-no-right-to-change-sops/

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  22. I am absolutely sure that kaytee would be very extremely happy. Because his loverboy is winning. Plus can get rid of Azmin also

    http://beta.malaysiakini.com/news/251518

    Meanwhile RPK, the royalist who want kaytee to be skinned alive, made this very interesting comment. Of course, kaytee sifu has forgotten to mention that DAP did save the day by placing their bet on Khalid Ibrahim. Khalid sabo DAP by dishing only 3 excos. Hahahaha

    http://www.malaysia-today.net/the-may-coup-detat-that-failed/

    Kaytee would also have a field day with khalid ibrahim

    http://beta.malaysiakini.com/news/251540

    Meanwhile kaytee has the fucking guts to flay the christians, does he has the cojones to do this? Do you know why I adore Hishamuddin Rais MUCH MORE than RPK?

    http://tukartiub.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2014-01-10T16:00:00%2B08:00&max-results=5&start=5&by-date=false

    I have no problem with sultan officiating Hard Rock Cafe. But what the hell is he doing in Melaka? With UMNO politicians?

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  23. Aiyooo....don't get me started with RPK.....lately ( I mean ever since he had gone to the other side...errr ammmno or more precisely licking dog of mad mamak lah ) he had started to talk out of both sides of the mouth, EXACTLY like that devious mamak ! Did he not at one time, when he railed at the malay talibans....screaming that they have the audacity to demand that ONLY those who well-versed and recognized in Islamic scriptures be able to comment on anything islam or islamic. Now see how he used the very same audacious demand : that all those who are not christians or muslims to shut and dont be a kaypochee. So why did he go berserk when the malay talibans told him off for being the kaypochee that he was then? BIg pordahhh lah this hypocrite.....that's why those who put froths on paper would best be advised to read BACK what they wrote which will come back to bite them on their big fat arse !

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    1. Nah! You see there is a similarity between RPK & kaytee. Both are self opiniated sadistical fools who think that the whole world revolves around. The difference is RPK, a muslim & kaytee does not believe in god. Or perhaps he believes in ALIENS. Hahaha.

      Then again there are elements of truths from such people. There is a saying that in order to make lies trustworthy, one must pepper with tiny weeny truth. Anyway, sometimes we do pity atheists especially kaytee because such people tend to be extremely lonely. Hahahaha, lest kaytee has castrated himself & saying the word Umm......

      I bet we will see some wonderful firework when CLF & Kaytee engaged in a debate. I love to see a good fight between self opiniated & a wise hermit who prefer his dingos in the outback & hence his moniker canis lupus flamiriase. Hahahahaha

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    2. diff is raja anglo divert the debated topic by swearing ur grandfather n entire race, follow by asking stupid question n finally press the censor button, while kt just divert wakakakaing with his usual snide remark. similarity is both have an axe to grind.

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    3. Aiyooo......you equate Atheist = Loneliness ? WTF ????

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    4. HY... I think lethal grinding of an old axe is perfectly alright. If you want to show that you are an anglo-bugis Victorian imperialist is still understandable. But lethal fusion of what appears to be mercenarised arrogance and chauvinism and wakakaism is something else. However, I did not notice any mercenarised wakakakaing, did you?

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    5. mercenarised no, sense of superiority yes. is it due to western education or ethnic, i dun know.

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    6. Atheists always think highly of themselves. Those who do are lonely simply because they feel no other people worthy to engage them. Therefore, I am looking forward towards the fight between one guys who call him canis lupus flamiarise (Australia Dog/Dingo) & him. That would put kaytee's misery out of business

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    7. On the contrary, it is the religionists who always think so highly of themselves.

      They kesian AND at the same time, look down on those whom they labelled 'damned disbelievers' ( the atheists, kafirs, pagans too ) .....that these poor souls will burn in 'hell' for eternity and it is their bloody mission to save these poor sods from god's wrath. And that is why these mindless hordes of so-called pious souls hated John Lennon for his Imagine song, hehehe

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    8. So you are talking about PAS folks la. Think logically why all atheists are self opiniated, egoistic folks. Simple because they believe nobody is greater than they are. The Homo Sapiens. Having said that I don't believe Michael Foot is an atheist. He is an agnostic.

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    9. "So you are talking about PAS folks la."

      Hahaha Looes....your amazing ability to make up illogical conclusions really takes the cake....errr, you have problem comprehending or is it just a case of careless reading ? This is happening far too often lah.....better buck up man....could be the start of dementia...( take regular dosage of cold pressed virgin coconut oil, many swear it helps ! ) or if it is more like a genetic prob......sorry, dude, can't help you there ;-)

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    10. Come on, use your brain. Think. Read some kaytee's articles.......PAS as Phy what fuck snake hah

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    11. looes, Michael Foot was an atheist, so stop syiok sendiri-ing, and present him as an agnostic to shore up your anti-atheist bull, wakakaka

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    12. Kaytee,
      But even if he's not ahtiest. Michael Foot is no KT cibai Mok! Michael Foot would screw kaytee for dictating to christians what to do. Micheal Foot gave middle finger to so called royalist. Take note not Royal himself,
      If you fucking cibai don't understand the video clipbelow, go back to sleep la! Michael foot HATED PEOPLE LIKE YOUR SIFU, RAJA PETRA KAMARUDDIN! THE DAMN FAR RIGHT BASTARDS! YOU FUCK RPK DON'T DESERVE TO WEAR THE CAP! FUCK LIB DEM! ME VOTED LABOUR IN UK! MICHAEL FOOT IS UK LABOUR MAN! THE ORIGINAL UK LABOUR PARTY! NOT THAT DINGO AUSSIE LABOUR PARTY......HAHAHAHAHA!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd8LZ-E42AQ

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  24. looes74 writex like a sore loser, he should be reminded he is the guest in this blog, a rude one for all to see.

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  25. A Malay friend whom I have known for over 20 years was ecstatic when his son was admitted to study at Cairo's Al-Azhar university.
    In the world of Islamic scholarship, its would be equivalent to having an offspring attending Cambridge or MIT. Any parent would be justifiably proud.

    One may surmise from the esteem with which Al-Azhar is held that there is such a thing as a Universal or Global Islam, that is not simply a Malay Islam. Just as obvious to anyone who bothers to delve into the subject, in Egypt, the country which hosts Al-Azhar, the Moslems have for centuries accepted Christians in their midst refer to their God as Allah. Its just so naturally accepted , it is a non-issue there.

    So why are Malays going around insisting "Allah is only for Islam", when that is plainly not Islamic theology. This includes people who should know better, like State Muftis and PAS Ulamas like Haron Din.

    I simply asked the question to my old friend, but I'm afraid this issue is straining our friendship as well. Like so many Malays, he seems to be fully adamant that "Allah is only for Muslims."

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    1. knowing that Malays won't be convinced nor consoled by the etymological, historical, international and perhaps even legal arguments, why does the church insists on wanting to use the word?

      As I stated above (in response to another comment), is it worth it for all the angst, acrimony and aggression the issue has been, is and will be causing between Muslims and Christians ... when alternative names of the Christian god with far superior Judeo-Christian pedigree exist

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    2. Because that's their right enshrined under the constitution. In fact, Karpal Singh would defend Father Lawrence FOC. Wanna bet?

      http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/01/12/sikhs-can-use-the-word-allah-says-doyen-karpal/

      Kaytee,
      If that's the case, why do you go bersek when PAS only issue a temporary approval to unisex salons in Kelantan. I strongly suggest that you should fuck off on this issue. Lest you wanna become persona non grate with reward on your head in Belaga, Sarawak.
      Do you know that dayaks served in Malaysia armed forces? You think that they won;t go berserk when their injil being defilled by you.
      See, what happen when certain people wanna force their way through? Solution simple. Admit you are wrong & fuck off

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    3. Let me turn Ktemoc's logic against himself, on the issue of unisex salons in Kelantan.

      knowing that Kelantan Malays won't be convinced nor consoled by the etymological, historical, perhaps even legal arguments on the right of non-Muslims to operate and patronise unisex hair salons, why do the Chinese insists on wanting to continue to operate them ?

      Is it worth it for all the angst, acrimony and aggression the issue has been, is and will be causing between Muslims and Christians ... when alternative arrangements for hair cuts and hair dressing with far superior ..... pedigree exist.

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    4. that's because the Chinese unisex salons aren't using anything that's traditionally used only by Peninsula Muslim-Malays (in fact it has nothing at all to do with Malays if you do not include those medieval hulubalang's having unauthorised haircuits and ear-cleaning with the dayang's like Jebat, wakakaka), an activity totally unlike what the Catholic Church in the person of Fr Lawrence Andrew has proposed to do and been insisting on doing, wakakaka

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    5. Fencesitter,
      This is a trademark of an atheist. Because such people full of himself, he will never admit that he's wrong. I would rather believe that by insisting in having unisex salons in Kelantan does not serve any purpose & perhaps would definitely anatagonise the muslims there.
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      Kaytee,
      Are you saying that what Father Andrew is doing A RECENT INVENTION. Seriously, I want you to fly to sarawak & say that in front of the Dayak headhunter. By the way, I do wonder how would the unisex salon survive in Kelantan going by the logic that pious kelantan muslims who would abide by Nik Aziz's teaching. No business sense unless.........

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    6. did I talk abut Sabah-Sarawak?

      Hasn't what Fr Lawrence been introducing/insisting would be something new in peninsula, specifically in Selangor?

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    7. Fuck you la, Kaytee. You mean Sarawakians only stay in longhouses hah. One sarawkian might be your neighbour you know. Die kaytee!

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  26. so r u saying that the right n wrong depend on where we r?

    here church i prersume u r talking about catholic, since i grew up in a catholic family, i meet up with quite a number of 'father.' i never see them doing missionary among muslim, at least not in town like tapah, cameron n the surronding forest, orang asli yes. but since when we pay attention to the life of orang asli?

    i prefer not to have a stand, something similar to that raja anglo, but i dun simply question n accuse the motive of "father' lawrence, in this case, u act no diff with helen, exactly assume a role of batu api.

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    1. In fact KT 11.29 am above shows clearly his/ her stand.
      But it would be a great mistake if minorities don't come together to defend each other's rights.

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    2. minorities should mutually defend each other's rights BUT should not involve themselves in unnecessary fights that's based on obdurate insistence when far superior alternatives exist

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    3. Like you kaytee.....There are sarawakians residing in Australia too. What if kaytee being manhandled by them because of one simple Allah issue. Sleeping dogs can be referred to such as you.

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    4. Not when something was unreasonble.
      The whole world, except our XXX, agrees with the church !

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  27. http://beta.malaysiakini.com/news/251622

    Penang 'Allah' ban

    Now for Lim Guan Eng's turn to be an impotent lame duck.

    Told you Najib and UMNO have the best of both worlds on the Allah issue.

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  28. Allah Yahweh Elohim5:04 pm, January 14, 2014

    In the 500 years history of Christianity in South-East Asia, evidence of Christian proselytization among Muslims is very thin on the ground. No denying that some of it was happening, but there is very little to show for it.
    The Bataks and other Christianized indigenous tribes in Sumatra were not Muslims to start with. They were originally animists, and they became converts due to the efforts of Dutch missionaries who were willing to endure the hardships and danger (they used to kill early missionaries) of living among the tribesmen.
    Similarly for the Melanesian tribes peoples of Timor and West Papua.
    The Spaniards did carry out some conversions of Muslims, but the vast majority of the Catholics in the Philippines were descended from people who converted from animism, not Islam. In the Southern Philippines, which was largely Muslim, Christianity did not get very far.

    So this undue fear of Christians converting Muslims is more politically motivated shit-stirring than anything else.

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    1. Likewise 30% or more of sabahan were animists in 1960.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabah

      Religion in North Borneo - 1960 Census (now Sabah and Labuan)
      Religion Percent
      Islam 37.9%
      Animism 33.3%
      Christianity 16.6%
      Other 12.2%

      Wait a fucking minute, 500 years ago, christians in Sabah started to use "Allah" for god. Ah so.......what the cibai fuck one fucking atheist called kaytee dictating what others should you. Kaytee........Fuck you cibai! (Korean army also use Cibai as vulgar language. In fact all koreans know what cibai mean.)

      I believe kaytee would not dare to step into borneo

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  29. Michael Foot as well as Hisham Rais are true socialist! Fuck RPK! Fuck kaytee! Michael Foot has said so in the interview......(my words of course), WHAT THE CIBAI FUCK WITH MY JACKET! I WOULD SHOUT MAGGIE MAGGIE OUT......THAT'D BE TEMPTING! Maggie Thatcher is a fucking rightist!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd8LZ-E42AQ

    OH WHAT THE FUCK, this cibai kaytee knows more about Michael than Steve Miligan did.

    By the way, Tan Chee Koon is also a leftist. Malaysia Labour Party based on UK Labour Party. Likewise, LKY admired Harold Wilson! Even NEHRU is a socialist!

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  30. Wow... why so angry Looes. KT is just stating an opinion and discussing it. Can disagree but I don't see why the need for name calling

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