Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Rafizi Ramli: Pakatan must face 'Monster'

UMNO's greatest political achievement since its election shock in March 2008 has been the favourable wake churned up by the current Allah word controversy.


manmanlai ho liao man

wakakaka

Much earlier, leading up to the May 2013 election, it fumbled left and right as it sought to assure Peter (Butrus in Arabic or Petrus in Indonesian) in the Heartland and Paul (Bulus in Arabic or Paulus in Indonesian) in the East.

Yes, while it was not quite robbing Petrus* to pay Paulus* or vice versa, Najib was doing a frantic juggling act so as not to upset his Heartland as well as 'Fixed Deposits'.

* I am using the Indonesian versions since the Catholic Church has shown its 'commitment' to an Indonesian word which it (in the person of Fr Lawrence Andrew) claims as a local or Malay word, wakakaka.

In my post Allah, Elohim or Yahweh? Fr Andrew stated "The new Malay bible weakens the argument for using the word Allah because some groups are trying to substitute God with a foreign name, whereas Allah is the Malay word for God and has been the accepted translation for centuries^." The alleged word was 'Elohim'.

Do you get that, where Fr Andrew said 'Elohim' was a foreign word (he's right 'coz it's Hebrew) but that 'Allah' is a Malay word? Malay word???

^ And didn't the Catholic Church use Latin in its Mass for centuries too? Didn't Catholics use to eat only non-meat dishes on Fridays for centuries too? What language is being used in Catholic Mass today? What may Catholics eat on Fridays today?

But no more, UMNO is no longer fumbling or juggling, no, not since Fr Lawrence Andrew had defied HRH Sultan of Selangor, if not legally then a la in-your-face lèse majesté, by pronouncing that the churches in Selangor will use Allah to refer to the Christian god in its Malay sessions in direct open defiance to HRH's fatwa.

What a delightful boon to a struggling fumbling juggling UMNO and a struggling fumbling juggling Najib. In one delightful fell swoop Najib achieves the following:


  • divert Heartland's attention away from the rising costs of living, issues of GST and the dreadful TPPA, etc
  • rallied the Heartland back to its political fold
  • smite Pakatan asunder, rendering PAS and PKR to be at odds with DAP, ulamas to split with Erdogens in PAS, Muslims and non-Muslims in PKR and DAP to not see eye to eye on issue, etc - I mentioned this in my post The cock-a-doodle-doo story.


... without doing anything, in fact by actually doing nothing ...

... thanks to one man ..... Fr Lawrence Andrew.

No one in the Heartland gives a f**k about the legal, etymological, historical and logical arguments or international opinions. All they see, hear and learn (bullshit or otherwise) have been that Christians are pushing arrogantly into Muslim territories and showing much disrespect to HRH Selangor.

While sweetie Marina Mahathir stuck her lovely neck out for the Catholic Church as she would for the downtrodden, the underdogs and the marginalized, and Zaid Ibrahim spoke out loud for commonsense and the the rights to worship without fear or favour, and Waythamoorthy (ooops sorry lah, wakakaka) ... the Pakatan Muslims have been caught uncomfortably between the Scylla of the Christians and non-Muslim minorities and the Charybdis of the Heartland, as I mentioned in  my post The cock-a-doodle-doo story.

Things are heating up real quick and nasty and as I warned in my post The elephant in the room that the humongous pachyderm sitting on many non-Muslims' heads, one they either have refused to or couldn't see, would be the probable threat to the security of this country brought about by the 'perception of the Malays' (true or otherwise) of Christian proselytizing of the followers of Islam.

As I wrote, this in fact is the bloody elephant in the Peninsula Malaysia (Malaya) room.


Jumbo's name is Maria ... as in Maria Hertogh

I venture forward daringly to even suggest a potential parallel to the Maria Hertog incident in 1950 where religious riots broke out in (then) British Singapore for 3 days where 18 people were killed while 173 were injured with many properties damaged.

The cause of the rioting was Muslims sighting (media?) photos of Maria Hertogh kneeling before a statue of the Virgin Mary.

Maria Hertogh was born a Catholic but because of family separation during WWII was raised as a Muslim by a Terengganu Malay woman, and then returned by the British court (in Singapore) to her Dutch biological parents after the war with much heartbreak for her and her Malay adopted 'mum'. The photos of her praying before the Virgin Mary was after she was returned to her biological parents. 


Maria Hertogh

Those Muslims went berserk at the perceived proselytizing and went on a rampage, killing mainly Westerners (Christians).


riot over the Maria Hertogh incident

Now, the circumstances and causes of the riot on May 13 in 1969 are by now rather well-known as one stemming from political turned racial factors. Many are confident that PAS and the Malays in PKR won't succumb to the political or racial siren calls of the ultras.

But if the current acrimony over the church's use of the Allah-word were to break the camel's (religious) back a la the circumstances of the Maria Hertogh case, will PAS members and PKR Muslim members be able to hold back from the calls of a holy jihad?

Last year PAS deputy mursyidul am Haron Din was reported as saying he would never agree to any decision allowing the use of 'kalimah Allah' by non-Muslims.

He asserted: “Kalimah Allah dominates every surah in the Quran, while the word Allah cannot be found anywhere in the Bible.”


Even the Penang Mufti has recently jumped on the bandwagon to prohibit non-Muslims from using some 40 words related to Islam.

While my Bhai hero railed against that prohibition on legal grounds and quoted the legal assessments of senior lawyer Roger Tan, state exco on Islamic affairs Abdul Malik Kassim (PKR) refused to comment on the Mufti's moves for the reason I stated in The cock-a-doodle-doo story.

No matey, it's not an easy time for Pakatan Muslims, unless they are like Marina Mahathir or Zaid Ibrahim.

And has Lim Guan Eng said anything? If he has then I have been rather negligent in not hearing or reading of it. But really, the issue has been embarrassing and damn vexing for Pakatan solidarity.

My dear Bhai, you can argue on logical, legal, historical, etymological grounds and quote international Muslim experts and even the Mufti of this and that, yes, until the cows come home, but those in the Heartland won't give a damn shake (I'm using the polite word here).

That's why Najib and UMNO have politically achieved much for the first time since March 2008, and without doing anything at all ...

... all thanks to one man ... Fr Lawrence Andrew.


Thus I argue that if we were unfortunate enough to experience (again) any outbreak of nastiness arising from the annoying insistence of the church to use the Allah word, it will be one a la Maria Hertogh rather than May 13, where sadly, it will probably see PAS and PKR Muslims rallying under a unified Malay-Muslim banner against non-Muslims, specifically Christians.

But thank goodness, PKR's Rafizi Ramli has the bloody noodles (brains) and guts to say what needs to be said, but wakakaka, without actually saying it.


Pakatan Rakyat's indecisiveness on the ongoing tussle over the word “Allah” will cause the opposition pact to be a "sitting lame duck" in the next three years, which might work to Umno's advantage, warned a key leader.

PKR strategic director Rafizi Ramli said the opposition pact's reticence could be due to the results of a survey by Universiti Malaya’s Centre for Democracy and Elections last December which showed
77% Malays polled felt that the term "Allah" should not be used by non-Muslims.

This, despite the fact that Pakatan's stand for the past three years is that the term is not exclusive to any community, he said, a stand that had caused them votes.


Rafizi cut to the chase and warned that unless Pakatan come swiftly to a decision, no matter how bitter it may be to some supporters, the coalition will fall prey and remain thus to UMNO's manipulation of racial and religious issues associated with the use of the Allah-word.

He stated rather bluntly and frankly: "There is a need for serious soul searching and contemplation within PR leadership to find out how exactly we want to face this monster," implying that Pakatan may (kaytee's own interpretation from here as I read TMI's report) even have to offend the Christians which '... might even cost them electoral support'.

That must the monster he was referring to!

elephant-in-room monster?

looes74 monster?

"hey, look at me, the head not the hunter, yes the head, that's me looes74"

wakakaka

Rafizi said taking a difficult decision (even at the loss of some electoral support) would still be better than doing nothing or evading the issue in a wishy washy way. He believes that the lost support may possibly be regained through the next few years.

But I see those required difficult decisions/actions as implied by Rafizi Ramli, as being more than avoiding alienation of the Heartland from Pakatan. It's to prevent another Maria Hertogh situation.

Maybe Pakatan could also advise the Vatican to have need of Fr Lawrence Andrew's 'amazing' diplomatic skills, in Rome wakakaka.

UPDATE (11 am 15/01/14):

Following Rafizi Ramli's succinct warning on Pakatan losing out politically to UMNO because of the church insistence on using the Allah word in its Malay prayer sessions,TMI reported in its Pakatan leaders agree need for common stand on 'Allah' issue the following (relevant extracts only):

The PR leaders also warned that as religion is a sensitive topic, it was necessary to address it carefully to avoid the fanning emotions. Mainly Muslim Malaysia has a 29 million population with at least 10% being Christians. [...]

PAS central committee member Khalid Samad agreed that it would benefit the opposition coalition to have a common stand.

"Pakatan leaders should discuss this, make a decision and stick to their guns," he told The Malaysian Insider. [...]


We can speculate as what he meant by '... make a decision and stick to their guns'  but I reckon we won't be far wrong if he had implied adopting what Rafizi has euphemistically stated as "There is a need for serious soul searching and contemplation within PR leadership to find out how exactly we want to face this monster."

The Islamist party's official stand, said the Shah Alam MP, is that the word "Allah" is not exclusive to Muslims but felt the word "God" should be translated as "Tuhan" instead of "Allah". [...]

... and also available are additional ones like MahaDewa, Elohim, Yahweh, Elyon, El Shaddai, etc.

PKR vice-president N. Surendran said opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim had clearly stated his stand that the term is not exclusive to any community.

The problem, he said, is the use of traditional media against the pact which "drowned out" its stand.

"It is a question of perception and it arises because the media is being used in favour of BN and the extremists. Our position gets skewed or misquoted," he said.

Indeed YB, it is a question of perception that's unfavourable and unjust to Pakatan, but given this reality why continue to argue against that invincible perception on etymological, historical, legal, expetise or logical grounds when all that would be like banging your head against an unyielding deaf wall?

DAP as spoken for by its Vice-chairperson Ariffin Omar has agreed to Pakatan taking a common stand.

91 comments:

  1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT0O80tuPAA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm4c5k_yPZw

    Hahahaha, of course, kaytee is much smarter than the commentator whose information researched by people including atheists. Hahahahaha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xxSxoXChKs

    This is the so called muslim sermon in Indonesia. Hahahaha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZf6dWH9hgo

    Since kaytee loves to talk about riot........Perhaps he should watch this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFx-rduguJg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki3p0yalsa4

    Well, kaytee.......I should end this with this poem

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUmbXVqQbKM

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  2. "Those Muslims went berserk at the perceived proselytizing and went on a rampage, killing......."

    If there's a repeat of the above scenario now, the 'delightful boon' that apparently dropped onto the ruling power's lap in one fell swoop, will turn into a horrifying nightmare....having to deal with the irreversible blot on its much self-lauded "model of Islamic moderation living peacefully in a multi-racial, multi-religious society" ....imagine the international media splashed with images of dead bodies, destroyed properties, gutted buildings, coffins and funereal processions and the locking up of those still alive victims.

    What have the power-to-be to gain from this provoking the 'natives' to go on a rampage ? Isn't the GE just been over and look who is still running the show ? It is really in government's interest so early on into their new term of power to start the burning ? To distract from the doomed economy and price hikes is one thing but to go to such extreme is no different from cutting one's nose to spike the other.

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  3. I believe Kt is same as I in that he does not like violence but this is where our similarities end. He does not like violence because he is too meek to stand up for righteousness. For eg. his father name him kt and one day some bully come in and ask him to change his name to sd or sitting duck he will acknowledge because he is too meek to tell his bully that he will rather die then change his name...just an analogy wakakaka. The situation today is so much different from the past, and I can still see a lot of level headed muslims who are moderates and who follows the true Muslim teachings of Nabi (PBUH). Even our King in his speech today demands that. So for those of you who are worried about riots, dont. It may never even happen because Muslims are peaceful people in Malaysia ..politicians not included. And if it does happen so what ? Let all this burn and let Malaysia have a new beginning. If you ever study history, most empires and civilizations never last forever. Never. So we rebuild a new Malaysia, new constitution, and live happily ever after....And start a new journey. Of course a lot of sacrifices there but then again like they say, no pain no gain because Malaysia is already stuck in a rut now dying a painful death anyway. imagine Rakyat cannot afford to buy proper meals for their family, cannot afford to send their children to school, cannot pay rent, car, toll and petrol...what is their best discourse? Anarchy I guess

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    1. Jeff, good try but poor analogy in my name - my father didn't use the name of another family for me. Unlike my case, Christianity stems from Judaism where the god's names have been Elohim, Yahweh and a host of others BUT which didn't/hasn't included Allah. There is also a Malay word for god namely 'Tuhan' or even if we wish to borrow from those Indons, 'MahaDewa'.

      Once a Pandora box is opened, even UMNO can't put the rage back and close the lid. Angry religious feelings have a way of its own. If those Heartland's feelings are triggered at the wrong end, then it'll be late even if UMNO wants to control it.

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  4. What bloody rubbish. Because of one man? Most Allah users in sarawak are not even Catholic.

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    1. usage of the word by Sabahans and Sarawakians have never been a problem ... UNTIL ... in recent years when someone wakakaka brought it to a boil through his zealous (and I opine, also hubristic) efforts

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    2. Seriously, you do have an issue with catholics. I wonder did any missy in the kindergarden mistreat you badly. I am amazed with this man. You mean he can't make a statement. Who the cibai fuck are you? Plus tell me what happen before Father Andrew uttered those words.

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  5. This whole write-up CAN be summarized in just ONE word – recalcitrant!

    For Father Andrew - his obduracy in refusing to give way to the Islamic provocateurs’ demand for monopolization of the A-word, in the face of religious freedom as guaranteed by the FC.

    For KT – a consistency in inconsistency as in face-saving for what he’d stubbornly written, for the fear of another RIOT due to the possible troglodytic behavior of a group of perceived instigators as in Maria Hertogh incidence. This story must have scarred KT’s mind so deep that, till present time the possible recurrence of this cause, makes him so restless.

    For umno baru – a REAL life-saving diversion as in ‘divert Heartland's attention away from the rising costs of living, issues of GST and the dreadful TPPA, etc’, building, again, on that perceived bogeyman of racial riot tendency of the stereotyped Melayu.

    Father Andrew’s argument is an old story & since ‘No one .. gives a f**k about the legal, etymological, historical and logical arguments or international opinions’ so let’s just leave it as that.

    While the ‘humongous pachyderm sitting on many non-Muslims' heads, one they either have refused to or couldn't see, would be the probable threat to the security of this country brought about by the 'perception of the Malays' (true or otherwise) of Christian proselytizing of the followers of Islam’ demands another look here, since both KT & the umno ultras r consciously counting on that to happen should that issue comes to boil.

    How long ago was Maria Hertogh incidence happened? Can it happen again in this time & age in M’sia? Perhaps in Pakistan, Afghanistan or some talibanized Islamic states, BUT M’sia, when the Melayu have more to loose?

    Umno ultras must be having wet dream just like KT! Thinking that the Joe Melayu r still living in the 60s, especially those heartlanders.

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    1. We should ask kaytee who was the triggering point? An article in Utusan Melayu? Solution : Ban Utusan Melayu lor!

      But then again most Joe melayus in singapore don't give a damn about UMNO. They kicked out Singapore Alliance masterminded by none other Tunku Abdul Rahman al haj. Kaytee loved to omit the fact why LKY (rather Rajaratnam/Toh Chin Chye) decided to send PAP troopers up north. If Singapore Joe melayus gave a damn, why few took up Tunku's offer of free land in JB.

      Worst still, riots can go both ways. While kaytee has been highlighting the danger of Joe melayus turn into killer zombies. Kaytee has forgotten the left behind melayus in Sarawak especially. Dayak were headhunters before......You mean only melayu can go amok.

      Look at the history black civil right movement, the reason why finally blacks prevailed over the amokey whites especially south due to the facts that Blacks by the 60s carry guns (Joined Army). Likewise, while not much chinamen in armed forces, not so for dayaks. Tun Razak send in dayaks to quell may 13th riot......You think Najib can do the same

      The whole thing would be backfired, triggering the secession of sabah & sarawak if Najib not careful enough.

      Rhodesia can't alive due to massive boycott by all nations. You think Malaysia can meh

      Meanwhile, Najib really suwey big this time......Remember what kaytee says about Najib cornering LGE during the chinese new year event......hehehehe and what actually happen

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-25730815

      Kaytee,
      Tell you liao.....Yingeland more superior than aussie lang. See me go yingeland can vote & yet me still malaysian. You can't do so in aussie land. Buay song.....ask rpk lor

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    If one would to go back to that story, one would realize that that incidental riot was happening ONLY in S’pore, a town not less. It was instigated by a small group of Islamic zealots out to prove a point. The riots DIDN’T spread to the heartlands in Malaya, if the heartlanders were truly to be pupeteered.

    All these while, the heartlanders r gentle in nature. They might not like the issues at hand, but they would not go into riot to disturbed the peace. They could vote u out/in but definitely not rioting as hoping by KT.

    Same thing as in May13. Riots broke out in pockets of town areas in KL. Elsewhere nothing happened. The heartlanders MUST be given credit for their cool-headedness in the face of strong provocation by umno provocateurs & yet they resisted. Life could be tough & religion is their possible tenet in the heartland, amoking is definitely NOT their way, unlike their city-dwellers kindred.

    Even in the case of strong challenge as in Memali, riot was not the issue but confrontation to the authority, who handled the situation badly.

    So DON’T count on the heartlanders to be yr soldiers of jihad. Even in modern time, all jihadist r recruited from the city dwellers.

    In the context of modern day M’sia, the city-dwelling Melayu have more to lose then gain from whatever they have acquired, through whatever means. They could shout & scream for their ‘special position’ BUT comes rioting they would fall back on a small group of ‘hired mercenaries’, who by nature have their job cut out in such situation.

    Bearing n mind these ‘hired mercenaries’ r minority of minority.

    There r larger group of silent Melayu, who have been included as in the same camp as the Islamic ultras. When the chips r down, more people like Marina, Zaid & Rafizi would come out. Enough is enough – why should their voices been used just bcoz they remain silence, especially in issues involved Islam?

    They might not challenge Islamic oligarchic doctrine openly, but they r not blind followers & they r well educated. In short, they have their OWN opinions, which might not go with the perverted current thinking.

    As far as this trash – ‘..the results of a survey by Universiti Malaya’s Centre for Democracy and Elections last December which showed 77% Malays polled felt that the term "Allah" should not be used by non-Muslims.’ , it should remain as it’s in the rubbish bin due to its methodology.

    Do something – showing a REAL leadership, that would once for all settle this fence-sitting auto-piloting government, only then one would see WHERE the majority of the M’sians’ vote lie. PERIOD.

    Meanwhile, KT can still having his wet dream in DownUnder, praying for the worst NOT to happen, wakakaka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. very brave words but usually spoken by those who would say 'Charge' to others though never 'Follow me' (in the actual 'charge'), wakakaka

      this issue is nothing more than the outcome of a dictatorship by a minority of an innocent/uninvolved naive majority

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    2. Correction! It did happen in many parts of Malaysia especially in Penang. That's it. It must be Anwar & his gangs involved in the riots resulting kaytee sister's cats being raped.

      Element of truth about some heartlanders on becoming zombies but then heartlanders not limited to bumis alone. Some have found out when they even melayus themselves knock down a cow in Buntong, Ipoh. Even Perkasa lancau would be lembik when the yindians surrounded the scene. Even Bayis too......(Don't mess with Karpal Singh & sikhs. Sikh militants killed Indira Gandhi).......Hahahaha

      I agree that we need leadership in Malaysia. For a starter, why not emulate John F Kennedy

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    3. Wakakak, who r the one among the NATO & who r the one among the activists?

      Say that again!

      At least I'm here, thick in the action (all inclusive) while u r writing in yr perceived comfort DU!

      Brave words, indeed!!!!!

      But then, sometime in KT's wet dream gem does exist - like 'this issue is nothing more than the outcome of a dictatorship by a minority of an innocent/uninvolved naive majority'

      Ouch2X! wakakaka

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  7. For years, the minds of the non Muslims have been falsely fed time and again that this was an Umno issue. It never was. It was an overwhelming malay Muslim issue. PAS stand has been disregarded and deceivingly Khalid Samad and the like is put on pedestal to represent the so call views of Muslims.

    This has been a dangerous trend. It has led to non muslim Dismising and ridiculing at almost every opportunity that these Malays Muslims are ignorant stupid intolerant etc. this deceitful manner has brought great resentment. Those in the middle and even left felt the need to make a stand. As both sides are really not interested in solving this issue, it will explode in the hertoghs case.

    Unfortunate but when compromise is a dirty word and arrogance prevails, this is the result that we sow.

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    1. Hahahahaha! It's not an UMNO issue.......Hahahahaha......Go to Malaysia parliament's hansard, read speeches made by folks such as Seenivasagam & Lim Chong Eu in the 60s.

      It's always UMNO problem & its sidekick, Utusan Melayu. Why not we ask this guy below?

      According to the Australian Deputy High Commissioner, W. B. Pritchett:

      "...there can be no doubt that UMNO was solely responsible for the riots. Its members ran the communal campaign or allowed it to happen."

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    2. CBMF,

      U r spinning agin!

      Not umno's doing? 'It was an overwhelming malay Muslim issue.'?

      CB, when were u born when that botak syek Abbas raised this ban in the 1st place? Wasnt that botak from umno?

      Better still, even before that ban came into place, the PM'sia Malay-speaking Christians have ALREADY using that A-words for ages, mind u, without ANY words of objection from the malay Muslims at large!

      R the Malay Muslims sleeping in the dark ALL those yrs? Or r they just live & let live? & dont u dare to equal a small group of vocal pariah Muslim ultras as the representative of the Joe Melayu of M'sia. & pls dont quote that rubbish bin UM survey, ok? Get something better that yr 'hati' can handle, or else go back to yr cave.

      Talk about compromises? Who initiated the mud-wrestling of this silent compromise into a full blown conflict NOW?

      CB, it's yr beloved umno, period.

      Again - who did this to make 'these Malays Muslims .. ignorant stupid intolerant etc. this deceitful manner has brought great resentment. Those in the middle and even left felt the need to make a stand.'? MF, think carefully before u jerk!

      So, keep provoking & hoping in hope that yr shared wet dream with KT, as in Maria Hertogh incidence, could happen. Same like May13, so that NO ONE would ever challenge ketuanan melayu ever again.

      CB like u, should go the way of '.. mengambil keputusan “berkerat rotan, berpatah arang” dengan kaum Cina. Mengorbankan soal pembangunan ekonomi demi mempertahan politik ketuanan Melayu mereka.', just to fulfill yr vainglorious wet dream.

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    3. Friend,
      These goons always think that only the melayus can go berserk & not the other round. I am not talking about Malaysia minority race. I am talking about our east malaysian bumiputras such as kadazan, Iban & Dayaks. Christians form the majority in Sarawak. Hence the malay muslims in sarawak wee bit scared. Perhaps, we should send Ellese to the longhouse & ask Ellese to tell the christian ibans that they can only use elohim......I do hope that Ellese would come back in one piece

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  8. This is getting fun. Now I have become the headhunter. Reminds me of the story of a few aussie ang moh atheists or agnostics went over to Papua New Guinea. There they met up with natives reading the bibles. The ang mohs just as kaytee would say......Why do you believe in the bible? It's all fairy tale. The reply from the native is extremely shocking. "You know if it's not because of bible, I would have you for lunch"

    I may agree with kaytee that that would be UMNO greatest acheivement if UMNO prepare to cut off sabah & sarawak factor. Ok la, Sabah is a muslim majority thanks to mustapha, harris, mahathir & tunku himself. But wait a minute, it doesn't mind that they are muslims, they are not fundamentalists. Either they will still stick to sabah adat or they are migrants from pinoy land & Indon land. Remember what happen in Lahad Datu

    As for Najib, now he's extremely famous in UK over the kangkung or water spinach news. It's all over BBC. Of course, pakcik & makcik don't watch BBC......Me sorry me forgotten.

    Again whatever justification kaytee wanna make, few things got to make clear

    1) Kaytee's no right to tell anybody especially when he's not the follower of the religion to make changes. Lest you are talking about rituals like cooking kaytee for lunch. That's oen is wrong. Anyway, kaytee boh bak one. Hahahaha. If people have been using Allah in BM, Iban, Kadazan & all other sabah & sarawakian tribe languages. So be it. Buay song. Fucking hell, FUCK OFF & grow up lor.

    2) Lese majeste, Kaytee. This is not Thailand, Ah Hia (Brother in Teochew or Thai). One wonder what the hell HRH Selangor doing in Melaka officiating Hard Rock Cafe. Mahathir has commited lese majeste by telling the monarchs that accepting the revised constitution or not, we shall just push through. Furthermore, who control the purse strings......Legislative assembly......Any kwai lan fella can do a fantastic accounting trick that would ensure our.....hehehehe........That's the magic power Mahathir has done in 1990.

    3) Karpal Singh has committed of plenty of lese majeste. One includes the right to sue sultan. Thanks to Mahathir himself.

    4) If this is the game plan by UMNO, don't think you can avoid it. Even if Father Andrew quiet as a mouse, the bashing will still go on. Hence, it'd better to make a stand now rather than to be sorry later. The Blacks make a stand & they have succeeded & now USA got a Black President. So.....

    5) Heartland don't give a fuck of what........Kaytee, which heartland you are talking about? You mean the rural sabah & sarawakians don't give a damn about the so called rulings/fatwa......Ain't they also heartlanders?

    7) While I commended the efforts by Zaid Ibrahim & Marina Mahathir, so what the fuck are you trying to say? Muslim majority especially melayus are the only heartlanders in Malaysia. So only they can make noise. Others can't because the perceived 13 million melayus > than the rest. Ah so, now kaytee is into number game. So Blacks in USA only 10%......So ask all the CCB blacks especially Marin Luther King (another reverend just like father andrew) don't talk cock.......Hahahahaha!

    8) I am not sure which fella doesn't see the elephant in the room? Non muslims, really? Or you? Some clowns who claim themselves to represent the majority. Last check, nobody in the world except Peninsular Malaysia disagree the use of Allah as God in other religion. The fact that it's in BM & other tribal languages. Not in English, Hebrew, Greek or Maori. Hahahaha.

    To be continued.....

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    1. gasp ... you "commended the efforts by Zaid Ibrahim"??? wakakaka

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    2. Even your beloved Zaid Ibrahim asked you to fight......While you are so lam nua one. You are not a christian. How to inherit the earth. Hahahaha

      http://beta.malaysiakini.com/news/251865

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    3. I've to edit looes' vile comment, not because I'm sensitive about his wild reckless & mad slander against my sister, but because I don't want someone to sue me for being party to looes' slandering. He wrote the following (now edited)

      **Come on, kaytee. Unlike you who hated [deleted] to the core SINCE YOUR SISTER HAS BEEN RAPED BY [edited], I would always give due credits to people. Even Mahathir over his remarkable act of limiting monarchis arses & the likes of RPK**

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  9. 9) Didn't I warn kaytee that one create diplomat incident by just apprehending one Indonesian who happens to be a christian. Heard that Batak people are headhunters too. Once upon a time.

    10) Maria Hertogh case again. Come on la, none of this issue would ever happen if Syed Hamid keep his hands off the Herald publication. What PAP did after the incident is to penalise/imprison those publisher who made sensational news. The culprit was UMNO controlled utusan melayu. The person who ran utusan melayu is none other than syed hamid akbar's daddy. Heard of malaysia chinese triad society instigated the singapore chinese part to rioting in singapore especially malays. How come can be stopped?

    11) You whacked Karpal? Wait till he manhandle you. Singh is King & King is singh. Don't mess with Karpal Singh

    12) As for the final analysis that prompted.....perhaps, I prompted you to look at the political life of George Wallace

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace

    JFK on civil rights

    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jfkcivilrights.htm

    Martin Luther King's speech

    http://www.sweetspeeches.com/s/11-martin-luther-king-jr-speech-at-the-great-march-on-detroit

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    1. another bull from looes that Batak are headhunters. They were/are not, but rather cannibals. They may want to eat your heart and mouth provided you wash it first wakakaka but not your head which they will give to an Iban wakakaka

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    2. Kaytee,
      Not now but will be if you kaytee persist in dictating their way of life & their religious belief. Aren't we talking about melayus (heartlanders going berserk when they are challenged? Same analogy, my dear Watson.
      WHY NOT WE PUT TO A TEST? Go to longhouse in sarawak......Dictate to the sarawakians to use other words for God. Wanna try.

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    3. you not only bull but you're degenerating into your 2nd childhood wakakaka

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    4. Rodney King related riot. Who say that people won't go berserk? Even when they are minority. They may even fried Kaytee for dinner man

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gCHS7CsjsE

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    5. 13) lim chin siong
      14) said zahari
      15) chng min ho
      16) lee yew seng
      17) tong dao zhang
      18) hmmm...perhaps u shd try yr luck there?

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    6. HY,
      Hahaha, you have become Barisan Sosialis supporter. Than good for you, all the UMNOites especially Tunku Abdul Rahman, Tun Dr Ismail (whom kaytee so much loved) & Tun Abdul Razak would brand you as trairtors to Malaysia sama with soekarno ganyang malaysia campaign
      Anyway, take note that I am not supportive with such action but then at that time, it's a dog eat dog world. Lim Chin Siong & the same would do given opportunity. Anyway if BS were to succeed, Tunku would send in the calvary & turn Singapore into another penang state & you would see plenty of kaytee around. Hahahaha

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  10. Maria Hertogh was actually a case of Muslim proselytization.
    She was born of a Dutch Christian family. The tragedy of WWII separated her, just 5 years old, from her parents. The Malay family she was left with , surreptitiously and improperly converted her, then just 6 years old to Islam.

    The court correctly ordered her , then 13 years old, to be returned to her real parents. There is no way you can convince me a 13 year old can make a decision on her religion. Her parents were Catholics, and she was taken back into the religion.

    Its just sheer stupidity that lead to the riots.

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    1. You are right.

      Perhaps, these pakciks & makciks never go overseas. Never know what's what goes around comes around

      Yindians ok......Don't play play....Ask Kaytee go to Buntong, India to dictate Indians about their religion with respect to Islam

      Of course, I bet kaytee would use this video to tell us that UMNO is using the same to win by hook or by crook. Wanna bet? My point is......This time it's christians kenna, next time muslim

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_zXGXMzQxo

      France ban muslim scarve

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWta4xB4gQ0

      Kaytee,
      Why so difficult? Just take off scarve la......Lagi more fun.....Take note me no support of it.....but there you go.....same muslims in singapore must be kwai kwai. If not, can always go Malaysia......See the obsurdity

      http://news.malaysia.msn.com/community/to-wear-or-not-to-wear-tudung-%E2%80%93-tay-tian-yan

      P.S : According to muslim law, only girls reaching puberty onwards must wear tudung. Not before. Local singapore media & government shows ample proofs that last time when mata wear shorts, malay never wear tudung one. So singapore law holds supreme.......primary school girls cannot wear tudung....Hahahaha....What goes around comes around.....Just next door only lei

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    2. "Its just sheer stupidity that lead to the riots."

      this is exactly the point.

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    3. I agree that rioting is sheer stupidity, but a stupidity that grows out of fear and/or hatred, arising out of ignorance or misinformation. And my exact point is why foster the conditions which promote fear and hatred?

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    4. How could making a qualified stand on the Allah issue can promote fear and hatred? Why only the melayus can be offended? I simply takdak faham. That's why I say to kaytee. Fly to Sarawak interior & talk to the dayaks there. See kaytee can come out alive.

      If Taib Mahmud, a pious muslim chief minsiter so frightened by the prospect of dayakans lining up at his house, issuing all kinda statement to calm down the dayaks. Who the fuck are all these instigators wor? Melayus again?

      This kaytee kia really catch no ball one hah.......People say people use it for centuries, then just FUCK OFF la.

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    5. KT is being inconsistent here. We know BN is corrupt and then PR did a bit of corruption and we want to close one eye on PR out of exigency yet KT will be preaching Right is Right, Wrong is Wrong but here KT want to preach exigency on the A-word and forget about what is Ring or Wrong

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  11. A good write KT and I fully agree with you. Here is my reason.

    Jim Lobe believes that the invasion of Iraq was part of the agenda to maintain control over the American public. It was never proven that there was any WMD in Iraq. In reality, it was a conspiracy theory purportedly orchestrated to justify the Iraqi invasion. As Jim Lobe puts it, they “are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervour and perpetual war (or conflict) to control the ignorant masses”.

    My advice to my Fr Lawrence Andrew, and my Malaysian brothers and sisters, who are Christians, for the sake of our beloved country, please let it go, leave the word Allah for exclusively for the Muslims in (West) Malaysia. I have three Christian families whom I am very close. They use the words Lord and Jesus Christ in their prayers.

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    1. Like Martin Luther King? Like JFK? Like LBJ's great society? If you don't fight for your rights....Good luck to you.

      Martin Luther King quote

      "But these events that are taking place in our nation tell us something else. They tell us that the Negro and his allies in the white community now recognize the urgency of the moment. I know we have heard a lot of cries saying, "Slow up and cool off." [Laughter] We still hear these cries. They are telling us over and over again that youíre pushing things too fast, and so theyíre saying, "Cool off." Well, the only answer that we can give to that is that weíve cooled off all too long, and that is the danger. [Applause] Thereís always the danger if you cool off too much that you will end up in a deep freeze. [Applause] "Well," theyíre saying, "you need to put on brakes." The only answer that we can give to that is that the motorís now cranked up and weíre moving up the highway of freedom toward the city of equality, [Applause] and we canít afford to stop now because our nation has a date with destiny. We must keep moving.
      Then there is another cry. They say, "Why donít you do it in a gradual manner?" Well, gradualism is little more than escapism and do-nothingism, which ends up in stand-stillism. [Applause] We know that our brothers and sisters in Africa and Asia are moving with jet-like speed toward the goal of political independence. And in some communities we are still moving at horse-and-buggy pace toward the gaining of a hamburger and a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. [Applause]
      And so we must say, now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to transform this pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our nation. [Applause] Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of racial justice. Now is the time to get rid of segregation and discrimination. Now is the time. [Applause] (Now. Now)"


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    2. what if martin luther king was a singaporean? let say during lky era.

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    3. Looes74... Martin Luther King in similarity to Mahatma Gandhi (and so is Jesus Christ) advocated no revolution, non-violence and peacefulness. But whereas you Looes want to evoke a violent revolution now now. [Applause]

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    4. looes likes to refer (rather frequently) to Singaporeans, specifically lky, and Iban headhunters - you're right, looes seems to be inclined towards violence. Yet he adores Michael Foot a man of peace, though he naughtily attempted to 'convert' Michael Foot from an atheist into an agnostic, wakakaka

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    5. Mandela speech

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXxsdrAgYfo

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V0HGomcsjk

      Again, we must have to fight for our rights & not to be dictated by people especially kaytee

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  12. Hahahaha, Kaytee, even after separation, Malaysia wanna play taikor

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/international_papers/2002/02/the_singapore_scarf_wars.html

    An op-ed in Malaysia's New Straits Times declared: "The desire to preserve secularism should not compromise the right to be different, especially to adhere to one's cultural or religious dictates. … One cannot convert religion into patriotism. In Singapore's case, one should not convert prejudice into patriotism." Another New Straits Times columnist wrote: "[H]ow can Malays, be they from Singapore or Malaysia, not view the ban on the tudung as a religious persecution against the community apart from extreme prejudice of the Malays because of the faith they hold?"

    A rousing editorial in the Straits Times of Singapore had a clear message for "interfering" Malaysians: "butt out." The paper supported the education ministry's directive and said that Muslims were wrong to frame the debate as a "religious article of faith":

    No Muslims, and the followers of any other religion, are denied anything but the fullest scope to practise their faiths. … This is the only way for multi-cultural Singapore. The tudung and any other forms of religious adornment worn by Muslims anywhere, anytime, are nobody's business but theirs—except for schools, where the Government has made the reasonable case that overt cultural manifestations should be minimised so that children can learn about racial integration in their formative years.

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    1. was that yesterday? wakakaka

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    2. KT,

      R u eating yr own words, ie ' And my exact point is why foster the conditions which promote fear and hatred?', in this S'pore context?

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    3. and how did I, as you claimed, 'eat my own words'?

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    4. Hahahahaha, what did Zaid Ibrahim? What really Rafizi Ramli mean ACTUALLY?

      http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/01/15/pakatan-must-make-stand-on-allah-issue/

      But I hope it’s still not too late for me to offer my congratulations to the Selangor state assemblymen. Both made a sensible and courageous suggestion to resolve the Allah issue,” Zaid said.

      The former Kita president then suggested that Pakatan could only lead the country if it was brave enough to offer solutions on sensitive issues and to take on Umno on these issues if they wish to grow stronger.

      Hahahaha....Hence in this case, I commended on Zaid Ibrahim's words & give kaytee a buttock smack

      Hit it harder! Hit it harder!

      Few good songs for kaytee

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZjwCmJrnlY

      According to kaytee, Najib has hit the jackpot over the allah issue......Hahahaha, Good old england jokes, good hey

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReIAna459sg

      Don't british poltics, ask RPK la.

      Chicken song for you

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NemkBVSnUt0

      It went to No 1 in UK.......Even another british/carribean loverboy, Billy Ocean lose to them

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OPenIG0Fpw

      Anyway, kaytee........I can't find fucking malaysian (kaytee) in aussie land.....Hahahaha

      One fucking song for you

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2SdEGys-T8

      Anyway, how come you are so unique hah.....Unlike Canis Lupus Flamiaris & another Penang lang in aussie land. He said it differently than you lei. So kaytee wanna subcontract it to melayus

      http://www.steadyaku-steadyaku-husseinhamid.blogspot.sg/2014/01/muslims-in-malaysia-can-do-virtually.html

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    5. KT,

      Ever wonder how long can a person acts blur-sotong-ness & yet trying to remain straight-face ignorance?

      Here is one of yr consistency in inconsistency for ‘eating yr own words’.

      Yr mentioning of the Maria Hertogh incident, in the 60s’ S’pore, is one of such condition which promotes fear and hatred among the current generation M’sians.

      U inevitably create that mindset of fear & hatred by mentioning this riot without CLEAR analogical details. Worst still, u had also eliminated the real causality from yr casual mentioning, thus creating a false impression that the Maria Hertogh incident was caused by religious proselytization. As someone mentioned earlier, who proselytized who was the question then, & yet the religious griot was played to the till as designed by the puppeteers, mainly bcoz of the blur-sotong-ness of ‘those S’pore Melayu’ (note – NOT heartlanders!!).

      Have u ever wondered that the true reason of this incidence was to create a false religious rift in S’pore, as so designed by the instigating umno to played down LKY? Have u ever wonder how LKY handled that issue, despite umno’s protection to the perpetrators – syek botak Albar’s father?

      How I wish we have had a little bit of LKY-ness in this current pink-lip Jibby to settle this Allah issue once for all!

      So isn’t this as so elegantly written by u - ‘stupidity that grows out of fear and/or hatred, arising out of ignorance or misinformation’!

      Where r the stupidity, the ignorance & the mis-information, KT-kia????

      U also trying to lay the impression that the heartlanders would be going berserk & start rioting if such religious proselytization is not brought to rest. & yet as I’d mentioned in many examples that the cool-headedness heartlanders R not the problem.

      The REAL McCoys r those small number of ‘hire mercenaries’ plus those blur-sotong city dwellers (similar blur-sotong-ness of ‘those 60s S’pore Melayu'), whom one can get plenty for a dime within the present M’sia cities settings. Plenty, yes – BUT not to the imagined quantum that as u indirectly hinted that would involve the whole heartlanders. U also miscalculated such that M’sian heartlanders r NOT exclusive to the PM’sia ONLY.

      Eat yr heart out!!! Or should I say ‘hati’? Knows why ‘hati’ is so prevalence in Melayu linguistic usage, instead of the more logical ‘otak’?

      So back to ‘foster the conditions which promote fear and hatred’ – aint u guilty as charged?

      By fostering this condition, u HOPE that the suppressed Christian minority would kow-tau to the umno bigots' demand, for their raising-living-cost diversion.

      Ever wonder if these minority Christians give in this time, what would be the next game plan for that dictatorship by a minority of an innocent/uninvolved naive majority?

      The next 'erection' is another 3+ yrs away, many more bogeymen would be needed for the on slaughter of the harsh living conditions in the coming months. In between, the hardest hit group of the Joe M’sians would be these innocent/uninvolved naive majority, ie the Melayu M’sians!

      Blame the Chinamen again!! This time for profiteering to cause living costs rise!!!! A real Ad Nauseam CCB recycle of plan by u-know-who!!

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    6. You are right......Kaytee should say those same words to the melayus who insisted that children before puberty must wear tudungs. So, what kaytee going to say this time. Melayu can easily go bereerk one. So be easy on them. Remember hor indon & malaysia got lotsa melayus so if they angry then how......

      Hahahahaha, Kaytee, admit it la.......You are wrong again & again......Hahahaha, wanna ask HAK aka steadyaku (Aussie land) to talk to you

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  13. Dear Looes (6.19am)… why do you want to quote Martin Luther King and Mandela when the issue we are debating here is not about equal rights or a secular country. And I do not think it is about religious freedom either. To me it is about spiritual secularism. It is about to persuade Muslims to accept the Christian idea of God. It is about the Christians seeking to explain Christianity in terms of Islam and which the Fatwa Council considered it as a blasphemy because it is attempting conversion and proselytization. The worst part is some politicians even see it as subversion and virulent. You can’t win this. Cool it and let the issue dies out.

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    1. Anon,
      It's about equal right. It's the fundamental right to profess one religion without hinderance. Not by UMNO. Definitely not by Kaytee. What makes you think that it can't be the other way round. Heard of the agressive Islamisation started by Tun Mustapha in Sabah.
      Explain christianity in terms of Islam? Huh? Allah words predates Islam? It should be the other way round. Subversion, Virulent......Too much BTN already right?
      You are right that we can't win so long that we submit to UMNO overlordship. There listen very carefully what Martin Luther got to say

      "I know we have heard a lot of cries saying, "Slow up and cool off." [Laughter] We still hear these cries. They are telling us over and over again that youíre pushing things too fast,"

      Likewise, this joker kaytee is telling us to stuff it. We have been stuffing it for 50 over years & counting. Last check, our constitution got deadline for many issues. Go google. Now it's forever & ever

      "and so theyíre saying, "Cool off." Well, the only answer that we can give to that is that weíve cooled off all too long, and that is the danger. [Applause] Thereís always the danger if you cool off too much that you will end up in a DEEP FREEZE"

      Same over in Malaysia, some Malaysians especially one clown in aussie land so deep freeze because what happens in the past that they are frozen & can't move on.

      "Well," theyíre saying, "you need to put on brakes." The only answer that we can give to that is that the motorís now cranked up and weíre moving up the highway of freedom toward the city of equality, [Applause] and we canít afford to stop now because our nation has a date with destiny. We must keep moving."

      Yes Baby! It's time to tell these jokers. Wake up! It's a new world. Nobody owes you a leaving. Hand off the mechandise!

      "Then there is another cry. They say, "Why donít you do it in a gradual manner?" Well, gradualism is little more than escapism and do-nothingism, which ends up in stand-stillism. [Applause] We know that our brothers and sisters in Africa and Asia are moving with jet-like speed toward the goal of political independence. And in some communities we are still moving at horse-and-buggy pace toward the gaining of a hamburger and a cup of coffee at a lunch counter."

      It's amazing that Martin Luther is talking about us moving in a jet speed pace but the problem is we are moving backwards. Now in USA, we have a Black President. In Malaysia, one can't even get NON MELAYU melaka chief minister. Even if it's promise by Tunku. Long Long time ago.

      1 chinaman become governor, 1 melayu become chief minister. Vice versa.
      Then when one melayu become governor, another melayu took over. Guess who? Ghafar Baba. Fron one chief minister to one acting chief minister. To Yilak..........Hahahaha, what's next? Kaytee one need to potong

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  14. Allah issue not UMNO's doing ?
    This picture says a thousand words.

    http://mk-cdn.mkini.net/672/5c6bfa97ca124ea51e6dbf711050038f.jpg

    UMNO is right in the centre, left, right, front and back shit-stirring all the way.

    Why blame Father Lawrence ?
    We are setting a very unfortunate precedence where we give up fundamental rights because of wrong-headed shit-stirring.

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    1. Ask kaytee lor. Perhaps, something must have happened to him when he's studying in a christian kindergarden

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  15. You mentioned Maria Hertog incident in 1950.
    It's the mother of all arguments.
    Checkmate.
    Yet Islam is the religion of peace !

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    1. Why talk about Maria Hertog incident? Why not talk about the destruction of babri mosque?Why not talk about gandhl assasination just after the operation bluestar? Tell that Amritsar Golden Temple is a sikh temple right. See! It's time for the melayu muslim to wake up

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    2. KT warns of religious fanatics who may go to the extremes.

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    3. Solution in the first place. The government should take pre-emptive measure to quell ANY religious fanatics. The problem with Malaysiais that the government is instigating religious violence. See the difference

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    4. Spot-on, Looes.

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  16. All I can say is, after reading the rather unintellectual exchanges in the comments, that Looes74 is seriously deranged to bring the natives of my state and Sarawak.

    Looes, you obviously don't know anything about the two East Malaysian states. The dayaks going to mengamuk? LMAO! You're funny.

    The truth is, if anyone of you have been to Sabah and/or Sarawak lately, the Bumi Christians are not buying anything you Malayan political parties are selling. It is life as usual for the overwhelming majority of the Bumi Christians there. In fact, they all don't want to be part of the whole hullabaloo that is plaguing Malaya.

    Bottom-line, the Malays are too tidak apa (or what my people call 'cowardice') to do anything more than rally here and there and lodge police reports. We should all be thankful that despite how you #vernacubengs continuously look down on the Malays and Muslims, they are still too much of a coward to actually do anything about it.

    Ellese, I don't mean no disrespect by calling Malays cowards. Other people might want to call it patient, I call it penakut. Tomato-tomato.

    Sabahan18

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    1. Sabahan18......hey you over there....you pun sama sama dengan kita orang melayu lah....semua tidak apa attitude sampai your corrupt CM dan Cronies sapu habis habis left, right and centre, in return for bending over backward to be fcuk kau kau by the Federal Gomen....that is why you people deserved to have your country sekarang tenggelam with Instant New bumiputeras and 95% of your oil went to support the rich and famous lifestyles of the Celup Melayoos over here in the West, hahaha. Tell your other more conscientious leaders don't cry over the 18 points or 20 points or whatever lah.......SOOOO many bloody years, so much oil money gone and ONLY now mau bising bising....Pordah lah.

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    2. 1st thing, the Malays, u r referring to, where r they berasal? Semenujung ke atau M'sia Timur?

      2nd, did anyone u called #vernacubengs step on yr toe? Did he/she ever look down on the u (a Muslim???) to justify yr stereotyping?

      Or u r just as delirium as those umno bigots? Perhaps u r those constitutionalised 'Sabahan', disguised as Sabahan? Yes?

      U r dead right that 'It is life as usual for the overwhelming majority of the Bumi Christians there. In fact, they all don't want to be part of the whole hullabaloo that is plaguing Malaya.'

      That also including how u becomes 'Sabahan'? No?

      Yr subtle provocation proves yr ulterior motives. BTW, those that u wanted to provoked have already screaming for blood. It just that their manhood lack the required tongkat ONLY.

      So unless u can be their champion, just like those Penang mamak, I suggest u f**k the hell out of M'sia - Sabah included.

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    3. https://www.facebook.com/SilentRiotDocumentary

      Interesting take on Tun Mustapha. Tun Mustapha, the man who started the aggressive Islam poselytisation has ended up got to support Parin. Hahahaha!

      "Diakhir riwayat Mendiang Tun Mustapha yang merupakan bekas Yang Dipertua Negara Sabah yang Pertama telah menyedari bahawa selama ini beliau telah diperbodohkan, dipermainkan dan dimanipulasikan oleh pemimpin-pemimpin umno kerana telah termakan hasutan untuk merosakkan Negara sendiri. Selain itu juga, beliau kesal atas tindakannya yang penuh dengan emosi dan bersifat peribadi telah mendorongnya untuk membenarkan umno masuk ke Negara Sabah melalui Pembubaran Parti USNO pada tahun 1991 demi memberikan laluan kepada umno yang mana tanpa disedarinya, atas tindakan tersebut, segala harta benda milik USNO ketika itu telah jatuh ke tangan umno dan menjadi harta milik umno sepenuhnya secara langsung. Setelah menyedari hakikat ini, beliau telah menyertai Parti Bersatu Sabah (PBS) untuk menumbangkan umno tetapi perjuangan beliau telah berakhir kerana Maha Pencipta telah memanggilnya."

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    4. Anonymous 4:00 PM.

      Ko baca ke apa yang aku tulis? Your reading comprehension must be impaired.

      Siapa bising pasal 18 point? SAPP? Jefri? Who cares about them? Sabahans don't. And you go on and on about Sabah's economic plight, I wonder, have you actually been to Sabah? Do you even know the kinds of developments that are taking place?

      SMH.

      I admit, our leaders from previous past have sold Sabah to UMNO but there's no use crying over spilt milk. In Sabah, only the opposition parties are crying over spilt milk. Most of us just go on living our lives with what we have.

      Do we want to be treated better by the Federal government? Sure. Are we going to be treated better? Unlikely. But rather than cry over it, we just go on with our lives and while we hope for the best in the future, we are also cognizant of the fact that no amount of crying would change our lives unless we change it on our own.

      Yang ko sakit bonton sangat ni apasal? Stay on topic and don't go beyond what is being discussed. Do you even know what is being discussed?

      SMH.



      Anonymous 4:53,

      I'm referring to Semenanjung Malays. The Malays we have in the East are mostly Kedayans, and like most natives in Sabah, we don't just talk, buat rally and lodge police reports.

      Nope, no #vernacubengs has - or dare, to be honest - to step on my toes. But let us not be fooled, the #vernacubengs do look down on the Malays. It's the truth, so don't bother denying it. And please don't reply with your standard DAP line of thinking with me, because you'll end being schooled, boy.

      You mean delirious? (Delirium is the state of mind, those who suffer from it are delirious) No, I'm not. And certainly I'm not like the UMNO boys and girls out there. How can I be a bigot when I'm married to a lovely Chinese (she's Hainanaese)?

      Constitutional Sabahans? LOL You #vernacubengs are a funny lot. Don't bring your so-called 'constitutional Malays' lines to my State. In our constitution, the Bumpiputras are clearly spelt out and we don't have what you have in Semananjung. Or, my tribe is in that list, thank you very much.

      Your next line of reply doesn't make sense. Did you learn to think in your vernacular school? I thought they teach kids to think there.

      You say I'm 'dead right' in my contention that the Chritian Bumis are going on with their lives. And you say 'That also including how u becomes 'Sabahan'? No?"

      Huh? Oh, by the by, you really need to step up on your English, beng. Too many grammatical mistakes lah, but I'll let it slide as not all of us are educated the same.

      Subtle provocation? Do you even know what that means? I'm stating an observation. Had this provocation been in some other Muslim-majority countries, it is not just police reports that they'd be doing.

      Screaming for blood? Who, the Malays? Muahahahaha Another funny line from you, beng. You're so myopic in your thinking, buka lah bah pemikiran ko tu. That's a standard DAP line lah, beng.

      Why should I champion something I don't believe in? Only fools and the intellectual handicaps do that - fighting for things you know nothing about.

      You're asking to 'f**k the hell out of M'sia - Sabah included"? Ey, a few lines ago, you equated me with. and said I'm as delirious as, UMNO. And now who's acting like UMNO?

      Muahahahahaha

      You've been owned, son! Itu lah, suruh pelajar, ndak mau. LOL

      Sabahan18

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    5. Sabahan18 is a Kedayan. Harris Salleh is also a Kadayan. Harris Salleh was responsible to give away Labuan. Ah so........I have nothing but pity to the true sabahans.

      Who the fuck is Sabahan18 (Pendatang) as compared to Pairin Kitingan (Kadazan, Huguan Siou)

      Some history lesson

      http://www.financetwitter.com/2013/04/sabah-for-sabahan-facts-or-myths-hero-or-traitor.html

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    6. Sabah18,

      Thanks for telling me about my bad grammar. Perhaps next time when I’m ready to write a thesis, u would be so kindly to be a volunteering proof-reader, iff u r that good?

      So u r talking about the Semenanjung Malays’ tidak-apaism! But then what about yr claimed of ‘like most natives in Sabah, we don't just talk, buat rally and lodge police reports.’?

      What have u done besides NOT doing ‘talk, buat rally and lodge police reports’ about the rape of Sabah by the katak-ised politikus?

      Yr take of – ‘But rather than cry over it, we just go on with our lives and while we hope for the best in the future, we are also cognizant of the fact that no amount of crying would change our lives unless we change it on our own.’ is self-defeasive to say the least.

      Hope for the best? Basically, u r expecting others’ to do yr battle, while, perhaps at the same time, indulged in yr ‘Yang ko sakit bonton sangat ni apasal’!!!

      So back to yr ‘we don't just talk, buat rally and lodge police reports.’, what contradiction, ha! Cakap tak serupa kini!! A sure sign of political scum! Yes?

      If no #vernacubengs has - or dare, to be honest - to step on my toes, then why r so so ‘delirious’ about them. R u born to be like that? More so, when u r stereotyping the whole group of vernacular-educated people. Trapped in a self-deluded ‘ketuanan’, when u know u CANT compete on level ground? No?

      BTW, having a Chinese wife, doesn’t exclude u from being a bigot. It could be the same mentality as that mamak having a Chinese M’sian to be his chaffer! Moreover u should thank yr wife that yr ‘tribe’ is in that list. Yes? A-class Syok-sendirism!

      ‘In our constitution, the Bumpiputras are clearly spelt out and we don't have what you have in Semananjung. Or, my tribe is in that list, thank you very much.’

      Now u r talking about the 20-point agreement (Sabah has a 20 point agreement, know yr own history???)! What was it in yr previous write-up – ‘Siapa bising pasal 18 point? SAPP? Jefri? Who cares about them?’ A clear sign of reading & comprehension deficiency? or more likely, Sabah18 bukan Sabahan tulin! Talk about others!!!! Ouch3X

      ‘an observation? Obviously u don’t understand what u wrote as yr subconscious mind did its Freudian slip! I DO know what I wrote, perhaps it’s u, who was trying hard to be ‘Sabahan terlampau Sabahan’ to ridicule yr PM’sia Melayu’s ‘cowardice’ in contradicting with what u’d written earlier. No?

      Now back to ‘f**k the hell out of M'sia - Sabah included’.

      I’m of Tawau origin, & I do know the TRUE local sentiment about the REAL ‘pendatang’ as planted by the project M. What u wrote, & also yr attempting colloquialized local expressions, r a sure sign of the project-M-ised ‘pendatang’. Since u r a fast-tracked ‘Sabahan’, Jus soli doesn’t apply in yr case, f**k off the land under the wind, OK?

      As far as yr tailing bits of laugh, keep laughing, ‘You've been owned, son! Itu lah, suruh pelajar, ndak mau’!!!!!

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    7. looes,

      LOL

      Sabahan18
      Since Dr Rafik's blog, whenever you can't reply to posts on an intellectual level, you resort to your standard vitriol-filled non-sense.

      You make me laugh lah. You asked who I am to Pairin? Do you even know? Not a fair comparison bah. The correct comparison would be who am I compared to Alex. Why don't you ask Alex then? That is, of course, if he knows your existence LOL

      Or, if you want to bring Pairin in the conversation, why don't you compare him with my father? Again, not that Pairin knows you exist, but why don't you ask him about my dad.

      For years, I've been calling you all out to meet personally. Unlike most of you, I am not afraid to come out and be known. But I'm also not stupid enough to do it online. As I have been saying for years, let's all meet up in person :-)

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  17. Headhunter (Modern BusinessType)6:53 pm, January 16, 2014

    The Bataks really were fearsome headhunters.
    Ktemoc should admit he has his facts wrong, just as with so many other areas.

    Historical text.....

    http://books.google.com.my/books?id=hs5fCiRK614C&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=batak+headhunting&source=bl&ots=zYqoacBMhi&sig=GRqdv4wK6NOkPb2N_BPiowBPKfc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hbnXUoPrM5GjiAea8oDIBg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=batak%20headhunting&f=false

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  18. KT,
    Out of your 5 postings this year, 4 are related to the Allah issue. We have wasted so much time and energy on this non-issue and January is not even over yet. Umno has indeed succeeded in diverting our attention from the other bread and butter issues. But, they are playing with fire and I would expect them to get burned eventually. The East Malaysian Christians will definitely fight the ban and their Non-Christian brethren will be in support. They have a much stronger case over there as anti-propagation laws do not apply there as per point 1 of their 18/20 point agreement.

    With the confiscation of the Alkitab and Bup Kudus by Jais, you should now realize that their real agenda is to ban the word and other words totally instead of just for the Herald. You should therefore soften your stance and stand on the side of fairness and justice by opposing the ban. You could still retain your suggestion for the Christians to consider changing the translation of God to any one of the names you have suggested. We do acknowledge your original good intentions, though a little misplaced.

    Regarding PR's indecisiveness, it is justified due to the nature of the issue. Whatever action they decide to take will not satisfy both sides. It is better to pass the hot potato to Putrajaya who cannot hide forever. Once Putrajaya comes up with their decision, the State government can then act on it and any unhappiness from either side could be pushed back to Putrajaya. Let us sit back and watch the political games being played out.

    Cheers, Adam





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    1. Adam,
      The Malaysia government especially UMNO would be completely choked because of few reasons. One is there are many dayakans in the armed forces stationed in all over Malaysia including KL. I may be exagerating that the dayak would go berserk just as kaytee do likewise. Kaytee refer to maria hertogh case. Me refer to past dayak history where they do hunt heads. Like I have mentioned if kaytee is so afraid that the melayus would amok based on past history. What makes you think that the Dayaks & other tribes in sabah & sarawak would not do the same. Why Sarawakian ministers including Taib Mahmud need to make repeatedly statement & actions of appointing 1 non muslim & 1 muslim WITH EQUAL POWER to deal with religious issues in Sarawak.

      Adam,
      Perhaps, this would be the final straw that East Malaysia would fight for independent which is not beneficial to Malaysia especially the federal government financially. I dare to say that Taib Mahmud is looking forward to the plan. Hence the ball is actually in the federal government's court. You wanna lose billions of dollar in Petro revenue. The real reason that I suspect why Blacks in USA finally getting recognition is the growing numbers in the armed forces. Blacks joined in droves who were to sent to the fields of Vietnam. Likewise, the Dayaks.

      Adam,
      Of course, anyone can make comment. Even I could suggest to KTMOC to be changed to KTMOG. Because MOC rhymes to MOCK suggesting that he's indeed mocking people based on his thinking as an atheist. Hahahahaha! Hence, while acknowledging peoples' suggestion is possible, we also reserve the right to rebut kaytee. Kaytee can go to hell with the suggestion simply because

      a) He's not the christian. He's no right to mess his hand other peoples' religious affairs based on whatever reason

      b) Whether he likes it or not, it's not RIGHT

      Adam,
      We should remind kaytee that the sarawak election would be next thing coming up. If UMNO thinks of using such method to gain control of Sarawak, Taib Mahmud may just declare independent. Even unilaterally. Rhodesia has nearly succeeded if Mozambique wasn't fell under the nationalists & Pro Apatheid South Africa decided to go soft because of money issues. Indonesia would be extremely glad to recognise Sarawak. Along with Singapore.
      Malaysia federal government has everything to lose & hence I humbly suggest that Najib Razak should EAT THE HUMBLE PIE. RESCIND THE ALLAH BAN. And Fuck off

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    2. Looes74,
      I generally agree with you on all the points, except that Malaya will never give up Sabah and Sarawak. As per the 18/20 point agreements, point 7 has stated clearly that "There should be no right to secede from the Federation". However, if other points of the agreements have been compromised, they have the reasons to demand for a review and perhaps, even seek British assistance.

      And yes, the BN government must invalidate the ban which is untenable. The fact that the ban could not been implemented from day one in the 1980's until recently says a lot on the nature on such a ban. If they think they have the means now to push it through, they would be sorely mistaken. The ban has brought so much disrepute to the religion, judiciary, country and other institutions that it is sad that the powers that be could not see nor fathom the futility of the ban.

      The irony of it all is that the ban is supposed to prevent propagation by the Christians to “protect” the adherents. Instead, there has been so much discussion on the theological differences between the religions that more and more Muslims are now made aware of the Trinity concept of the Christians. Could this be the blessing in disguise? Only God/Allah knows and He works in mysterious ways. Cheers, Adam.

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  19. Seriously I believe true blood Sabahans would not react just like that Sabahan18. I believe Sabahan18 may be a Bruneian just like Musa Aman & Harris Salleh

    Read the link below

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/181831540/The-Disenfranchisement-of-Bona-Fide-Sabahans

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    1. Sabah18 sounds more like the Paki.

      Does anyone realise that beside the pinoy, the indo, the next biggest M-planned sabahans r the Paki?

      In Sabah, the pinoy & Indo dont usually get involved with 'local' politics. They r more interested in politics of their homeland. Whereas, the Paki is the mirrored version of the Penang mamak, trough& through.

      Musa Amin is a prime example & guess how he could come up so fast in Sabah political scene, besides the umno link?

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    2. I had my suspicion too about that so-called Sabahan18........even from his very first posting, and as he yak, yak and yak boastfully on in his come-backs....ahh, sudah pasti dia tu belacan-mixed lah. Such like him usually could not pull it off that convincingly as his hysterical running off at the mouth inevitably did him in. Pathetic.

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    3. Anonymous 8:55,

      Me, a Pakistani? LOL Thanks for the good laugh!

      Musa came up because of the tutelage of Tun Mustapha. He was an USNO man, just like Tun Sakaran and DS Shafie Apdal.

      Actually, if there is a similarity between the aforementioned, it is that they are Suluks. So there goes your theory of pinoy not interested in local politics.

      Here's an unsolicited advice: please take to heart the words of Alexander Pope to heart when he said "a little learning is a dangerous thing"


      Anonymous 9:38,

      Belacan-mxed? Pray tell what doe that mean! I really want to know.

      My 'hysterical running' of the mouth have not been replied to on the same level. Don't take it against me that I'm educated - Princeton alum, btw - and have seen the world.

      Rather than attack me, why don't you reply to what I posted? That would be better, no?

      Boast and confidence have very thin lines, and are looked at differently, depending on which side of the educated value system you are on. The uneducated ones tend to view it as arrogance, which is fine by me.

      Again, reply based on what was written and stop commenting based on suspicions and conjectures, it just makes you look uneducated and ill-equip to debate intelligently.

      A lot of y'all can't stand Ellese. While he and I have different political ideologies, I have mad respect for him because, when you put aside your blind partisan politics, the dude could actually articulate his thoughts very well.

      Sabahan18

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    4. Wakakaka,

      'Don't take it against me that I'm educated - Princeton alum, btw - and have seen the world. '

      Wasn't George Bush Jr also from the Ivy league? How did he got in in the 1st place?

      What about u?

      So, take yr own advice - 'a little learning is a dangerous thing', especially those self-claimed top-notch graduate like u.

      Wasnt it Steve Job who said that top-notch university graduates ALWAYS ended up working for the drop-outs? So who r u serving NOW?

      BTW, u r cycling around my reputes if u know what I meant!

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  20. The egoistic half amoi is at it & twisting again;

    http://www.malaysia-today.net/the-blasphemous-malay-bible/

    In this latest rant, he equals a bahasa M’sia translation of the Bible as an equivalent of Quran!

    By subtlety, he blanked out the fact that AlKitab is a Melayu version of Bible for Christian, NOT for Muslim.

    Been a direct translation of the Bible, surely the content would follow as closely to the original version. So what’s wrong with the declaration of ‘that Allah, in fact, does have children, a son who He sent to us to save this world.’? It’s the same with the English/Jew/whatever languages version of Bible.

    Was he expecting that The AlKitab should be translated differently, just bcoz it’s written in bahasa M’sia? Could he indirectly imply that AlKitab should be another name for Quran?

    Is that’s why there r this ridiculous argument about Muslims been confused, the moment they ‘touch’ AlKitab?

    The whole article is REALLY short of blasphemous, with the exception that religion is faith governing. But even then, there MUST be ethic involving its propagation.

    Unless his version of belief is different from the other countries, just like the M’sianised Islam CANNOT allow the sharing of the Allah with other faiths!

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    1. Don't forget to add in the bible for most sabah & sarawak tribes including Iban. Yes, kaytee also blank out the part of the keep calm poster. Can't blame him because he's not in england. Keep Calm poster was meant if England was under Nazi. That's why those posters never circulated because battle of yingeland win mah.

      Anyway, you know that RPK's favourable party is Lib Dem Party. Lib Dem is a merger between SDP & Liberal Party. SDP was formed by the Gang of four which includes David Owen (Not the footballer), Roy Jenkins (The former secretary who decriminalised homosexuality in UK in the late 60s) & Shirley William ( Labour's woman leader answer to Maggie Thatcher). Hahaha, who the fuck is Julia Gillard as compared to Shirley William. Oh I forgot, Aussie langs are reject from yingeland ma. Ok not this favourite parrot sketch

      TO RPK,

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6TgaPJcR0

      "I only say this to the so called RPK. This is an EX PARROT. It's not being stunned. He's ceased to be, expired & has gone to make its maker. It's a PARROT NO MORE.. He's rung down the curtain & JOIN THE CHOIR INVISBLE. RPK IS THE LATE PARROT. "

      Hahaha, John Cleese was contemplating to sue Maggie but then it originates from Ancient Greece.




      .

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    2. looes, another of your bull, that those posters were never circulated? You're deranged liao, wakakaka.

      And if you want to address RPK, please go over to his Malaysia-Today. I don't run a postal service, wakakaka.

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    3. I can forgive you because you have never been to England. You have never gotten the chance of voting in England by being the citizen of commonwealth country. You never have the opportunity to get free medical service in England. I believe when you arrived in Australia, you aren't an australian & hence those who seek employment & studies in Aussie land may have to pay medical insurance. Let me see when did you come to aussie land. Was it before 1975? Aussie government always follow what Mother England is doing one.......Hahahaha

      Just like LKY & Hisham Rais & many others, I have hopped in & out of the Tube in London on the regular basis during my stint there. I believe that those words such as MIND THE GAP would be seen ALIEN to Kaytee because He's in Aussie Land mah........

      I understood what the fuck Kaytee is preaching.....Me being in Yingeland for years, developed the habit of keeping to yourself & stoic whenever I are on the move......

      In response to Kaytee's Bull on perceived bull........Here is the explanation by brits about Keep Calm & Carry On

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peO07CMvS-0

      This is a good show for Kaytee to watch. See how the british frightened the natives with their big "bayonets". Sound familiar with the deranged melayus over the mention of Allah word.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8atKXFZefA



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    4. you stoic??? then I'm the Shahanshah of Shangrila, wakakaka

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  21. 'Solution in the first place. The government should take pre-emptive measure to quell ANY religious fanatics. The problem with Malaysiais that the government is instigating religious violence. See the difference.' [Looes74 @ 7.19am]

    Looes, if the government is instigating religious violence, then Fr Lawrence Andrew is fanning the fires of religious violence. Mana ada difference? As HY said, 2x5, No?

    The more I read your comments the more I think KT and S18 are absolutely correct. If the government is looking for Machiavellianism, they have Fr Lawrence Andrew to thank for. They complement each other indeed. And of course in the end all of us will have to suffer.

    As KT said, there a lot of other important issues to focus on. Yes of course I can see the difference between you and KT.

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    1. Yeah, lotsa issues to carry on. Why focus on people making a qualified on Allah issue? You have not answered this question? Is Father Andrew an Alien? Does he have a right? What wrong does he make stating the fact that Allah word has been used in Bm & all other tribal languages? Is Allah word an arabic? And so on and so for

      Furthermore, I am wondering

      Does Melayu has no brain that would turn into zombie when Allah word is used?

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    2. I agree with Looes74 that Umno/BN is stirring religious discord by pushing for this Allah non-issue. The way they handle perkasa, utusan and the other NGO's with kid's glove, quite clearly shows their agenda. Pushing the Christians against the wall such that they react as what Father Andrew has reacted is part of the plan.

      When you make laws against natural justice, you can expect all kinds of unfavorable reactions from the people and implementation will never run smooth. I cannot understand why some people could not see through all this facade.. Hope good sense would prevail.

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  22. looes, i dun like s18 underlying remark of violence, i think this is an insult to malay/muslim, many feel proud of it though. but we shouldn't take lightly the point made by s18 n hasan, me n u know them long enough.

    btw n seriously, can u tone down a bit, u start to sound like a war mongering idiot, or as u always suggest to kt n clf, perhaps it would be more fun shd u engage one lol in helen's blog, both of u r terrific combination, for example, u people apply diff std to diff people. at diff place, or even at diff thread. what a wonderful pair of hmmm.........joker.

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  23. "Seriously I believe true blood Sabahans would not react just like that Sabahan18. I believe Sabahan18 may be a Bruneian just like Musa Aman & Harris Salleh

    Can you all make up your minds as to what Musa is? Some of you say he's Paki, now I read he's a Kedayan!

    And in all honesty, you won't find anyone more 'native' than my family, looes. You always talk about the Kadazans, did you know that, they are immigrants from the Indo-China region? You like to attach links in your reples, so I reckon you like history. All I can say is that you should read more into it, and not just google what you want to discuss. Read more, please, for your own good.

    LMAO


    HY,

    Oh, hello.

    Thanks for the sensible reply, HY.

    I seriously don't know what is up with looes. He's gone bonkers with lots of non-sense. He's so full of hatred nowadays, the dude seriously needs a chill pill.

    And I apologize if I'm putting out any violence vibe out there, that is not my intention. What I am trying to say is that, Malays like to shout and make police reports, so in that sense, we should all be thankful that they are only all talk.

    And a lot of these johnnies-come-lately think I'm pro-UMNO! That always makes my day! If only they know how much I hate UMNO!

    Sabahan18

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  24. Don't forget to add Anil Netto, a catholic, envrionmentalist, retired accountant & HAK aka Steadyaku. All of them except CLF are Penang langs.

    The problems with such people is that they so called used to violence & never think for one moment what if others would react violently as they do. This is a group of people who loves to dictate what others shouldn't do to them. The reason is that we have never stood for our rights. The Blacks stood up for their rights & they got a black president. Ah so

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  25. Anonymous 11;17,

    "Thanks for telling me about my bad grammar... "

    I don't think you can afford my hourly rate lol

    "So u r talking about the Semenanjung Malays’ tidak-apaism! But then... police reports.’?"

    What have u done besides NOT doing ‘talk, buat rally and lodge police reports’ about the rape of Sabah by the katak-ised politikus?

    What can we do? The pillage started Tun Mustapha sold Sabah to semenanjung in 1963. And it wasn't only him, the decision to join Malaya was also agreed by the other native leaders.

    What do you expect us to do? Secede? I wish, but we can't.

    "Yr take of – ‘But rather than cry over it, we just go on with our lives and while we hope for the best in the future, we are also cognizant of the fact that no amount of crying would change our lives unless we change it on our own.’ is self-defeasive to say the least. "

    Self-what? Huh?

    "Hope for the best? Basically, u r expecting others’ to do yr battle, while, perhaps at the same time, indulged in yr ‘Yang ko sakit bonton sangat ni apasal’!!!"

    Sigh. This is the hard part debating with someone who is not that educated. You are too literal, dude. Hoping for the best doesn't mean you leave your lives to other people. It is incumbent upon you to make a better life, for yourself and your families.

    Of course, there are things that are beyond our control, such as the economy. The government controls it and what we Sabahans do is make the best out of whatever economy the country is in. But hey, contrary to what y'all think, we are, generally, doing ok.

    Capish?

    So back to yr ‘we don't just talk, buat rally and lodge police reports.’, what contradiction, ha! Cakap tak serupa kini!! A sure sign of political scum! Yes?

    "If no #vernacubengs has - or dare, to be honest - to step on my toes, then why r so so ‘delirious’ about them. R u born to be like that? More so, when u r stereotyping the whole group of vernacular-educated people. Trapped in a self-deluded ‘ketuanan’, when u know u CANT compete on level ground? No?"

    Oh, sensitive, much? LOL

    I might sound more arrogant than how I am already perceived but I am yet to meet a #vernacubeng who is in the same league. So, how are they able to step on me when we're not in the same level?

    Perhaps my mistake is being seen as stereotyping and didn't correct it. Oh well.

    But again, I didn't read any line on your reply disputing my observation about how the #vernacubengs look down on the Malays. Got ah? I don't think so.

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  26. "BTW, having a Chinese wife, doesn’t exclude u from being a bigot. It could be the same mentality as that mamak having a Chinese M’sian to be his chaffer! Moreover u should thank yr wife that yr ‘tribe’ is in that list. Yes? A-class Syok-sendirism!"

    Agreed. But try to use a bit of brains, can ah? How could I be a bigot when I married someone from a different race and religion? Oh wait, do you even know what a bigot means? And please none of the standard DAP supporters line ok?

    And what does my wife have to do with my tribe being a true native of Sabah? I'm sorry dude, your thoughts are incoherent. Would it help to get a dictionary, as you obviously think in Chinese and reply in English, when you write?

    I would ask you to reply in BM but we know you don't have the command for the language.

    "‘In our constitution, the Bumpiputras are clearly spelt out and we don't have what you have in Semananjung. Or, my tribe is in that list, thank you very much.’

    Now u r talking about the 20-point agreement (Sabah has a 20 point agreement, know yr own history???)! What was it in yr previous write-up – ‘Siapa bising pasal 18 point? SAPP? Jefri? Who cares about them?’ A clear sign of reading & comprehension deficiency? or more likely, Sabah18 bukan Sabahan tulin! Talk about others!!!! Ouch3X"

    LMAO

    What a sophomoric line of thinking! Did you even understand what I wrote?

    You blabbed about 'constitutional malay' and I replied that Bumis in Sabah are clearly spelt out.

    My bad, You're right, ours was 20, not 18. I initially wanted to write for both Sarawak and Sabah and decided to concentrate on my state and wasn't thinking clearly. I admit my mind slipped.

    Besides the trivial slip, what's your point? Who is actually making noise about the 20 point? SAPP? NBF? Or the 18 in Sarawak? DAP? PKR? Opposition parties?

    Like it or not, BN won. Besides, PR like to talk about the popular votes. In Sabah/Sarawak, have you looked at the popular votes? If you have, then you'd know that majority of the people don't really care about the 18/20 points because they voted BN, no?

    Again, your pooint?

    "‘an observation? Obviously u don’t understand what u wrote as yr subconscious mind did its Freudian slip! I DO know what I wrote, perhaps it’s u, who was trying hard to be ‘Sabahan terlampau Sabahan’ to ridicule yr PM’sia Melayu’s ‘cowardice’ in contradicting with what u’d written earlier. No?"

    Another incoherent reply. Sorry lah, beng, I don't speak your language. Care to state clearly what you're saying?

    "Now back to ‘f**k the hell out of M'sia - Sabah included’.

    I’m of Tawau origin, & I do know the TRUE local sentiment about the REAL ‘pendatang’ as planted by the project M. What u wrote, & also yr attempting colloquialized local expressions, r a sure sign of the project-M-ised ‘pendatang’. Since u r a fast-tracked ‘Sabahan’, Jus soli doesn’t apply in yr case, f**k off the land under the wind, OK?"

    LOL

    Tawau eh? Wanna meet up? I'll see you wherever you want.

    So, you're saying I'm a pendatang lah ni LMAO Typical beng who wants to be either a Kadazan or some other natives.It's really pointless to be going back and forth with someone who is clearly of no value to me in debating with.

    As far as yr tailing bits of laugh, keep laughing, ‘You've been owned, son! Itu lah, suruh pelajar, ndak mau’!!!!!

    Yes, you've been owned! LOL None of your long reply answered any of my queries. As I sad, I like to debate with someone who could add value, you, tawau boy, obviously has a lot more rice to eat before you can join the ranks of the intelligent, let alone the intellectuals.

    Sabahan18

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  27. I thought of let it rest, after all why should I let a vindictive, small-mindedness & yet vainglorious fool spoiled my day. Then… never mind, I’m just a ‘#vernacubengs’ for whatever it means.

    So yr rate eh? Obviously, yr england is more powerful than ‘BBC’.

    Try some charity work for a start, to understand what volunteering means, ok? Or charity is beyond yr level (???), so that volunteerism is opaque to u? No money no talk, yes?

    U r the one that ranted with the PM melayus’ tidak-apaism or cowardice by claiming otherwise. Now u come up with a grandmother story of doing nothing just bcoz of some historical blunders made by our elders?

    With yr ' intellectual' & ‘It is incumbent upon you to make a better life, for yourself and your families.’ & yet this rubbish claim! IS that the best u can WRITE about? Ha, Priceton ed & seen the world eh!!!!!!!!!!

    Let me repeat my no so educated quote to u - "Hope for the best? Basically, u r expecting others’ to do yr battle, while, perhaps at the same time, indulged in yr ‘Yang ko sakit bonton sangat ni apasal’!!!"

    Capish?

    While u were pigeon-holing the vernacular-ed for looking down on the Melayu, all u can come up with is a swapping statement of ‘observation’. Should I enlighten u with yr skewed ‘observation’? U should go back to Ms Muppet’s site to contribute, she would sing with u no doubt!

    My analogy of yr wife vis-à-vis that mamak’s (know who he is????) chaffer has no disrespect connotation. Know what shooting the messenger means – probably another one-liner of don’t speak yr England..incoherent …sigh…Ivy-leagus educated….sigh..what a waste!

    BTW, no true Sabahan natives WOULD not know about the relationship of wife & tribe, unless one is either a misogynistic fool or more likely a maggi-mee Sabahan!

    Again, no TRUE Sabahan would forget about the 20-poin agreement that guarantee our statehood, in the face of ‘melayu-lization’ from PM’sia. A trival slip? More likely a Freudian slip! Obviously, u don’t understand this term – go & dig out yr Psychology 101, quick, on the double!! Ha, what a sophomoric line of thinking, indeed!

    Again, what popular Sabah votes r u talking about? Due to the large number of M-planned fast-track ‘Sabahans’, do u REALISED that they out-number Sabahan tulin? Obviously u don’t & possibly don’t care for whatever of yr motive. But many of us TRUE Sabahans do!!

    So another swapping statement of ‘If you have, then you'd know that majority of the people don't really care about the 18/20 points because they voted BN, no?’ What an oxymoron claim!

    Obviously, we don’t speak the same language even though we might be originated from the same Sabah. I can claim multilingual, spoken & written, (FYI Bahasa included), more if all those ‘dialects’, like Hainanese, r included. Since we cant talk over englang, due to my expression & yr comprehension skill of this foreign tongue, perhaps, u can get yr wife to talk to me, to get a better understanding & to enlighten u?

    ‘Typical beng who wants to be either a Kadazan or some other natives.’- I have to correct this swapping statement (must be yr favorite hobby), true Beng would only want to be Chinese M’sian, nothing else. U should get Ms Muppet to ‘educate’ u on this topic. Another of yr ‘observation’ down the drain, ye?

    Finally, with yr shown level of intellectualism, (no) sorry to say I’m definitely NOT in yr level. Oh… BTW, do u survive on salt? (get yr wife to explain why I say this, ok??)

    Sigh…who has… been owned, son! Itu lah, suruh pelajar, ndak mau. Tapi, bila suda pelajar, jadi hidung tinggi, apa pula ne!!!!!!!!!

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  28. Guys...go have a good kangkung lunch together, and everything will A-OK.
    Kangkung...best vegetable in the world...

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  29. Please understand that from history this country has been a Malay country. One has to and must recognize, acknowledge and accept that fact first. The rulers have been Malays who are Muslims. The rulers’ subjects the Malays generally follow the religion professed by the rulers which is Islam.

    For how many centuries did the Malays in this country have said and used Allah, Alhamdullilah, and Amin in their prayers; and the Christians in this country have said and used Father(Jesus), Hallelujah(Halleluyah) and Amen in their prayers. No problem then. Why cook and stir the issue now?

    Let me ask this question: After Allah issue do the Christians want to use the words Alhamdullilah for Hellalujah and Amin for Amen in their Bibles and churches? If granted, viewed from a strict Islamic religious angle, there will be many young and ignorant Malays who will be ‘keliru’ and will convert into Christianity. Can you see that point? If you are a Muslim and if you can see that coming and you never make an attempt to prevent that and at the very least (weakest) say ‘nauuzubillah’ in your heart it is considered blasphemous. We said 'telah tergelincir atau lari dari akidah'.

    Having said the above, I have no qualms of any peaceful conversions by matured and knowledgeable Malays/Muslims into Christianity because there is no compulsion in religion. Religion is a relationship between oneself and God. Have there been any apostates being hanged or got their heads chopped off in this country?

    What 1Malaysia, truly Asia or plural Malaysia? It is nothing more than a wooly idealism, as we retreat further and further into the shadows of disintegration and anarchy. US and THEM are indeed words that annoy me.

    -hasan

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    1. Don't blame others if yr faith is weak.

      If not today, there would come a day when that same question about yr faith arise again. How long can that be procratinate? Via legistration of draconian anti-apostasy law? Forced consultation?

      When one is trying to force via legistrative enforcing, resent would be the ONLY outcome. Eventually, the final result is deep & open confrontation.

      Perhaps the only solution is free choice, unlike the current inherited one. Ant wonder why apostasy is such a BIG crime as far as Islam goes?

      The ultimate question about the young 'keliru' Melayu'coverdion into other faith SHOULD be viewed in the same light as what the other faiths in a similar situation.

      Why r the Muslim so uptight about this is really beyond logic!

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  30. I bear witnessed that there is no other god except MONEY.

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