Wednesday, August 20, 2014

Letter to Tun Dr Mahathir Mohammad

Salam Tun yang sangat dikasihi,

How are you and Toh Puan? And how is business at your bakery?

Okay, with the salutations and pleasantries over, please allow me to engage Tun in something I have long been yearning to propose to you, wakakaka.

Oh, by the way, please excuse kaytee's mild version of melatah-ing - call it Latah Lite if you wish, wakakaka again - sorry, you know how it is for people who melatah ;-).

I'm sure you will agree with me that we Malaysians* like to refer to important events by their dates in a 3-digit format, as I have written in my other blog KTemoc Kongsamkok several years ago in a post titled Secret Society of Handsome Chinese Cryptographers.

* yes, I know I know, you mentioned a couple of days ago that there will never be a true Malaysian. By the way Tun, have you read my post Should Chinese Malaysians adopt indigenous surnames?

Oh, and sorry about the title of the post Secret Society of Handsome Chinese Cryptographers especially the 'handsome' part as I know how much it irritates you to hear about Chinese implied indirectly and also incorrectly as being better looking than Malays. In fact, I have often heard from Chinese female friends how handsome, or in modern language what a hot looking stud, you are.

And though I know you don't like (probably detest) Khairy Jamaluddin, he too has been described as another fine specimen of Malay manhood, in Chinese parlance, a leng chai.

But no doubt the word 'society of Chinese whatever' might have alarmed you, especially as I recall my uncle (one of your admirers) telling me that you once explained the necessity of Ops Lalang as (words to the effect) 'Chinese history has shown that it bodes no good when Chinese parties gather together at a temple to protest against the government'.

Needless to say, I was and still am amazed by your knowledge of Chinese history regarding the razing of Shaolin temple by the Manchus.

Yes, we all recall that on 11 October 1987, MCA, Gerakan, SUPP, DAP and other Chinese-based parties congregated together with Dong Jiao Zong at the Shaolin (sorry, wakakaka) Hainanese Association Building, beside the Thean Hou Temple in Kuala Lumpur, to protest against what they saw as the nasty policy of then-Education Minister Anwar Ibrahim.

It was a remarkable first and undoubtedly last for Chinese Malaysian Unity, wakakaka. Your Ops Lalang was certainly worthy of the brilliant Manchu attack on Shaolin Temple, and to your further credit you did it without burning any holy site.

But let us move on from Ops Lalang since both you and your once-beloved-protege, wakakaka, had already accepted responsibilities for your respective parts in the whole sorry affair.

Now, what do I mean by Malaysians like to refer to important events by their dates in a 3-digit format

Virtually every adult in Malaysia knows or has heard of 513, the tragic day on 13 May 1969 when racial riots broke out in Selangor after the May 1969 general elections which saw Perikatan (headed by UMNO) lost its two-thirds majority in Parliament and also its hold on Selangor threatened.

Yes Tun, 513, a sad day for our nation but even sadder, still very much nourished, embellished and frequently referred to by, alas, your political party!

I don't propose to revisit that sad event as we have gone through it more often than any other Malaysian event, including even a fabricated fictionalized version in the film Tanda Putera, which was reviewed by the Malay Mail Online as a film that takes liberty with truth.

Then we have the infamous 916, wakakaka, which mention I am sure will warm the cockles of your heart - no no Tun, there is really no need to thank me.

But that many had even believed in the democratic correctness of 916 has been a sad reflection on the standard of mathematics taught in our Malaysian schools, where those people somehow reckoned that 82 > 140 (that is, 82 is greater than 140), wakakaka.

The American term for those incomprehensible believers and supporters of 916 is, I believe, 'mathematically challenged', a description which may also be applied today to someone in Selangor who in his own mind may contrive conclude that a coalition which holds 43 seats in a 56 seat state assembly would present for the state an unstable political deadlock which merits the dissolution of the DUN with fresh elections necessary.

But let us leave discussions of that issue for the future and move on to what I wish to propose to you.

It is about 929 and 617.

Didn't I mention that we Malaysians love such 3-digit codes - again yes, I know I know, you mentioned a couple of days ago that there will never be a true Malaysian, but grant me a wee leeway in my, this post please, wakakaka.

As you mentioned on 14 February this year (2014) when you bravely accepted responsibility for Ops Lalang:

"Well, if I made a mistake, I made a mistake. I am an old man. I am 89 years old, so I am prone to forgetting."

"Even if the decision was made by someone else, it was in the Cabinet. I accept responsibility. We did what was needed to ensure peace and stability in Malaysia."

... yes, you are indeed already a most respected 89 years old so I hope you won't be annoyed if I respectfully remind you what 929 and 617 had been.

On 29 September 2001 (thus 929) you declared that 'Malaysia is an Islamic state' at the Gerakan national assembly.

Then you were supported most ardently by both MCA and Gerakan leaders, who ironically (or with the advantage of hindsight, hypocritically) have been currently attacking/accusing the DAP for working 'hand-in-glove’ with PAS to establish an Islamic State, and who wakakaka asserted publicly that Malaysia was a secular and not an Islamic State.

But immediately after your 929 Declaration, your Chinese partners in BN, namely MCA and Gerakan leaders, gave their full and unequivocal support that compelled a blistering post by Lim Kit Siang against MCA and Gerakan volte-face, as follows (extract only):

"Malaysia had always been an Islamic state from day one of our nationhood 44 years ago as if the founding fathers and early leaders of MCA like Tun Tan Cheng Lock, Tun Tan Siew Sin, Tun S.H. Lee, Too Joon Hing or even the early UMNO leaders like Onn Jaffar, Tunku Abdul Rahman, Tun Razak and Tun Hussein Onn would have agreed to multi-racial and multi-religious Malaysia becoming an Islamic State".

Lim Kit Siang also reminded us, no doubt totally flabbergasted by the MCA-Gerakan cari makan belakang pusing (wakakaka), that "For eight month after September 29 last year (2001), MCA and Gerakan leaders were trumpeting that Malaysia is a moderate Islamic state", wakakaka, somehow showing they had been either devout Islamists or devout tok ampu's, wakakaka.

Then less than a year later, on 17 June 2002, you declared that Malaysia was not just an Islamic State but, with words to the effect (with a wee dram of my blogger's licence, wakakaka), to hell with the term moderate Islamic state (which of course pulled the rug from beneath MCA and Gerakan's feet), that Malaysia was a fundamentalist Islamic State.

This declaration came to be known as 617, a declaration that your MCA and Gerakan tok ampu's were the first to endorse, despite your declaration moving Malaysia from being a moderate Islamic State to a fundamentalist version. Alamak and aiyoyo Tun, what motivation could be greater than the tok ampu's cari makan belakang pusing-an, wakakaka.

I would like, with Tun's indulgence, to quote from Lim Kit Siang's post in which he wrote:

Bapa Malaysia and the nation’s first Prime Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman confirmed this and declared in the Legislative Council in 1958:

“I would like to make it clear that this country is not an Islamic State as it is generally understood; we merely provide that Islam shall be the official religion of the State.”

The position of the constitutional cornerstone that Malaysia is a secular and not a Islamic state was further reinforced in the negotiations for the formation of Malaysia in 1963, as Sabahans and Sarawakians were assured that Article 3 of the Constitution "does not imply that Malaysia is not a secular state." (Cobbold Commission Report).

The fundamental constitutional principle that Malaysia is a secular nation has been upheld by the highest court in the land in Che Omar bin Che Soh vs Public Prosecutor (1988).

Delivering the judgment of a five-man Federal Court panel, the then Lord President Tun Salleh Abas held that the Constitution and the legal system are “secular” and held that the meaning of the expression “Islam” or “Islamic religion” in Article 3 “means only such acts as relate to rituals and ceremonies”.

He said that “There can be no doubt that Islam is not just a mere collection of dogmas and rituals but it is a complete way of life covering all fields of human activities, may they be private or public, legal, political, economic, social, cultural, moral or judicial” but rejected the contention that the terms “Islam” or “Islamic religion” in Article 3 is “an all-embracing concept, as is normally understood, which consists not only the ritualistic aspect but also a comprehensive system of life, including its jurisprudence and moral standard” as this was not the meaning intended by the framers of the Constitution.

Salleh Abas’ judgment that Malaysia was a secular nation was in keeping with the interpretation of his predecessor, the late Tun Mohamed Suffian Hashim who in 1962 defined the scope of Islam in the constitution as being primarily for ceremonial purposes, such as the permission for prayers to be offered in the Islamic way on official public occasions such as the installation of the Yang di Pertuan Agong, his birthday, Merdeka Day and other occasions.

Of course we knew why you proclaimed your fundamentalist Islamic state in the 929 and 617 Declarations, though then, you weren't able to see the Pandora Box you had opened with those declarations, especially for your own UMNO ulama.

But look Tun, you have already won your battle with PAS and done your part even commendably unto accepting responsibilities for Ops Lalang. Why not take it from there and make another declaration, namely that you were mistaken about your politico-medical (wakakaka) 'interpretations' of our Constitution, and that we should adhere to the legal judgements on Malaysia as a secular state, as provided in the above-mentioned Cobbold Report and the rulings of Tun Mohamed Suffian Hashim and Tun Salleh Abas.

Pass on the baton of arguing over the Islamic State issue to your current and erstwhile proteges, wakakaka, and let them fight it out. At least it may possibly provide some amusement for you.

Incidentally, do you know that Tunku Abdul Aziz, a patrician I was formerly rather fond of (and still am to a certain extent despite his grievances with DAP) has also asserted our nation to be a secular state while he was lashing out at the Islamic Party's abandonment of Khalid Ibrahim. In an angry and disgusted rail against PAS he said:

Let me remind my co-religionists and all Malaysians that what they are seeing is not the teachings of the Quran: It is the work of people who have long abused their religion to promote their political ambitions and are prepared to traffic with any party of whatever political bent.I have never made a secret of my abhorrence and distaste for their brand of politics, with its evil concoction of pseudo-religious orthodoxy grounded in undisguised worldly opportunism. Surely, it can have no place in secular Malaysia.

Note my underlining and bolding of the relevant sentence above.

Continuing with Tunku Aziz's statement:

When I saw on television Mohamad Sabu reading the unholy announcement abandoning Khalid to the jackals, it dawned on me that perhaps this was God’s mysterious intervention to expose the truth about the party and its leaders. If this latest act of duplicity does not teach us anything about Pas’ politics of adventurism, then we will be putting the future of our nation at considerable risk.

Coincidentally, Raja Petra Kamaruddin had in his Malaysia-Today just written a rather amusing (or if you like,sarcastic) article about things happening being always acts of Allah swt, as in his post BLAME ALLAH FOR THE SELANGOR MB CRISIS in which he commented wryly on Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad's claim that 'Allah made the two PAS state assemblymen defy their own party by joining the 28 DAP and PKR representatives in pledging support for Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail because Allah wanted to save Selangor'.

Much as Tunku Aziz might have shown his disgust at PAS, he is undoubtedly a co-believer like Dr Dzulkefly in the all-powerful but mysterious interventions of Allah swt, a belief very much shared as well by devout Christians who would explain away, for example, the tragic disastrous aftermath of the Boxing Day Tsunami in which nearly half a million innocent God-fearing Indonesians and quite a few Thais, Westerners and Indians perished, as one of God's mysterious ways. Amen.

Continuing with Tunku Aziz's statement:

For the sake of a united Malaysia, we cannot allow a religion-based political party that is causing unnecessary fear and apprehension among Malaysians to preach its sermon of hate and darkness. The party has to decide what it wants to be, a political organisation or a Muslim missionary society because it cannot be both.

It now operates under false pretences, and with its shrill campaign for a Muslim state, it is splitting the nation down the middle, a situation to be avoided at all costs as we strive to find our true destiny and identity as a nation.

We must not let Pas or anyone frustrate that national goal. Let all men and women of goodwill beware.

Well Tun, there you have it. Instead of blasting or tormenting poor Ah Jib Gor (does his Chinese nick, wakakaka, bother you?), why don't you stun Malaysia and the World again by declaring that your 929 and 617 Declarations were not legal but political constructs, designed to outflank PAS as advocated today by your fellow Kedahan, YM Tunku Abdul Aziz.

Yes, please do so and watch the fun begin as undoubtedly Najib and Anwar will amuse and entertain us as they tap-dance around the hot potato which you have baked for them, wakakaka.

I am,
Your obedient servant,

Kaytee Moc

P/S: Tun do you by any chance gift people with discount vouchers for purchase at The Loaf? Hint hint. Terimakasih Tun in anticipation.


  1. Would it be seditious to say 'I hate the doctor' ?:

  2. KT,

    A little lesson on mathematics for yr self-wakakaking;

    82 > 140

    Nothing wrong in that iff we consider the right context, in the ascending order.

    A key example would be the position of the M’sian universities in any of the world’s top university ranking.

    U would made many blur-sotongs & vainglorious fools in our ‘excellent’ (based on yr reasoning) higher education institutes very happy & also those statistic-jockeyting educationists in the ME very happy, for the job well done!!!!!

    So be very careful about numbers, especially when u r trying to manipulate them.

    It could back-fire like y face now.

    Or it could ruin the whole educational system like our current sorry state of brilliant top students couldn’t get to study the course they choose!!!!

    Perhaps u would like to crack yr mind over this with STPM=Matriculation in another of yr wakakaking shot????

    BTW, why dont u ignore this manipulative old fool, just like that half-anmoh?

    They r all attention searcher just for that last ounce of the time they have before meeting their final judgement in hell!

    1. "higher" is not necessarily "greater" (or "more" as in more seats) as you are arguing

    2. What talking u???

      Remember what I said about context!!!!

      So, still higher not necessary means greater without a context (or side note) description when expressed using numeric????

      U r really one wakakaking joke!!!

    3. and in what context did I mention those 'mathematically challenged"?

      What talking u??? wakakaka

  3. mahathir was never the ardent islamist as your favorite posterboy anwar ibrahim. (see he doesn't force his wife to wear a hijab till now). it was anwar who was trying to outdo PAS whilst in UMNO.

    1. The kris and the moon share the same goals, Malay rights and Islam. The kris leads in championing the rights while the moom is first in religion.

  4. It is quite safe to blame Anwar for anything bad that happens in Malaysia.
    I'm doing the same for the Selangor MB crisis

  5. There are a lot of things we do not like about Dr Mahathir.I do not have to say or explain what.But one thing we have to remember.Any or rather all countries needs a strong leader with traits like the doctor.Under Dr Mahathir although there were many people unhappy with his gung ho style of leadership,looking back we can say that it was a more peaceful and harmonious time than those succeeding leaderships after him.

    Nowadays,religions,races,bibles,gods,cows,pigs,chickens are not spared by NGO's supporting both sides of the divide.

    And the last few months of PR politics have shown that their gutter politics have made Umno warlords and Abrahim Ali look like schoolkids.Their allegations(just sheer allegations) are good enough to justified them and their blind followers to hound and chased Khalid out of office.This is a no holds barred to the extremes that kitchen sinks,toilets,panties,boxers,tampons,condoms with bottles of viagras to add spice thrown into the public courts of opinions.Such shameless acts must not be condoned by the public,as they have shown to us that they are no better than the Umno/BN that they have condemned without fear or favor.

    1. U r dead wrong about the 'calming period' of that mamak era!!!

      Obviously u dont thought deeper than what u wanted to see.

      Mamak's era was the breeding ground for ALL the discontent/disharmony/conflict on matters relating ALL aspect of the M'sian life.

      Those cracks didnt appeared then, were purely due to the strong arm tactic of his policies. It doesnt mean he has managed to maintain peace. He just drove them underground & simmering well below the observable horizon! It's liken to the early day of a dictator reign, when the time comes, all things fall apart just like M'sia NOW.

      What we have NOW, r what that mamak has sowed!

  6. The possibly inconvenient fact (from your point of view) is that a majority of Malaysian citizens want Malaysia to be an Islamic state.
    This is the reality in 2014, notwithstanding what Tunku Abdul Rahman may or may not have said more than 55 years ago

    Let me be more specific.
    An Islamic state as being generally governed based on Islamic standards.

    Activities that are clearly illicit in Islam - all forms of public gambling, public consumption of alcohol, extra- and pre-marital sex, would be forbidden by law.

    The majority DO NOT want cruel and retrograde punishments such as Hudud, nor do they want a totalitarian ISIS or Al-Qaeda -style Caliphate. It will still be a Democracy and Constitutional Monarchy
    Non-Muslims will have all their Constitutional rights as citizens including freedom of religion, but public activities which are illicit in Islam will not be allowed.

    1. agreed on your 'all forms of public gambling' but what about 'all forms of private gambling'? Do you know who are the biggest patrons of private casinos?

      and who most frequently drink champagne and cocktails and indulge in premarital and extra-marital sex?

      I'm talking about NOW in Malaysia

    2. KT puts forward a very sound argument for secular Malaysia. (LKS even added Hussein Onn tp back up the same). Whereas those who stand for IS prevail by virtual of their big numbets !

    3. Democracy rule by a small group of elite ulama elders in Islamic State ? What democracy when the public do not have any say to their appointments or any right to debate the fatwas they issued ?

  7. Kaytee,the Loaf if you do not know,occasionally give free food to the deserving.Hehe.

    1. thanks, okay then I'll be queuing up next wakakaka

  8. the new kampung man5:10 am, August 21, 2014

    With Kajang move,Anwar and his loyal lieutenants have brought themselves down to a level not seen in Malaysian politics,political pariahs.

  9. KT's matey RPK said that the MB should come from DAP.Hehe.

    1. alamak, he was being sarcastic and you take it for gospel truth, wakakaka

    2. he is sarcastic that pr will never work with him. he should be appointed as emperor cibai for life. fuck u la. where the fuck is the guilotine

    3. RPK always write the truth about both the government and the opposition which looes74, the loser finds it difficult to stomach. Where's the guillotine as looes74 really needs it to end his miserable life.

    4. rpk take side, only a dumbass cant see this. it is actually fine to take side, in fact most r, problem with rpk is he pretend n preach he is not. this make him a hypo.

    5. of course he has - he's anti Anwar, like me wakakaka

    6. u mean u r a hypo as well, i hope u r not.

    7. have never hidden the fact that I have consistently blogged against Anwar's deformasi, wakakaka

    8. that's y i never claim u r a hypo...yet. but the way u kiss the raja anglo ass almost make u smell like one.

  10. Mahathir's recent criticisms of Najib have unfortunately been accurate.
    During the month of August, Najib was away on holiday in Europe for 17 days.
    That itself, occuring while the country is beset by many crises, is controversial.
    What should really worry Najib is that hardly anyone noticed his absence.

    The Malaysian PM has become a largely irrelevant figure on the Malaysian political stage. He has reached this point through his silence on so many issues and his inability/ unwillingness to get involved.

  11. kt, gambling, drinking & illegal sex are all sinful acts and not crime unless you rob or steal to gamble or to buy drinks or you screw without consent (rape). so, there are no penalties for sinful acts. pasti ada orang akan lompat wor!. cheers.

    1. sinful acts commited by muslims are crime and punishable under hukum hudud

    2. 6.114
      [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
      And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
      And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

    3. 20:123
      [ALLAH] said, "Descend from paradise - all [man and satan] being enemies to one another. Henceforth, if there should come to you guidance from ME, then whoever follows MY guidance will neither go astray nor will suffer misery".

      God told Adam not to eat the fruit but satan told Adam it is perfectly alright to eat the fruit. Whose guidance did Adam choose to follow?

    4. '[ALLAH] said, "Descend from paradise'

      the above proves that mortals are not empowered to punish sinful doers. adam & eve committed a sin and not a crime. allah swt doesn't need anybody to do his job. he can punish and he too can forgive.

    5. hukum hudud is Allah's legal punishment that may be inflicted on the person (muslim) so that he/she may not commit sin again, or so that he may learn good manners.

    6. transgression of divine law is a sin but committing a sin towards mortals is a crime. what are the prescribed punishments for evading zakat, abandoning daily prayers, not fasting during ramadan & not performing haj despite ability to do so? if a intoxicated person were to defame or make false accusation against someone, he will be punished for slander. a guy who steals and robs to gamble and drink, when caught, will be charged for theft and robbery. sin and crime are not synonymous. o' lord, please give me guidance!

    7. it is not my goal to lead the Enlightenment intellectuals to a more knowledgeable understanding of religion. you are trying hard to prove and expose the inferority of religion. i can sense your dislike of my antropomorphism and theology of islam. i expect and can accept that because even Jesus who loved peace was defeated and "crucified". perhaps we should based our discussion on the law of nature of what is good and what is bad rather than what is a sin and what is a crime.

    8. in fact you are the one who is trying very hard to prove that mortals are empowered to punish sinners. where in my comments implying that i intend to expose the inferiority of the religion? am merely saying that mortals are doing god's job. simple as that. wrt jesus who reportedly was crucified, why? or else the rabbis would be out of job. (power and money). law of nature is evergreen and nobody can change it or add to it or suppress it.

    9. but it is unfortunate that you are using the law of nature as a tool against religion by clinging to it as the sole criterion and claimant of truth.

    10. are you saying the law of nature is against the quran? you can't even differentiate between a sin and a crime, now you want to talk about the law of nature. i am saying all these because you claimed that hukum hudud includes worldly punishment for sinful acts. so, produce proof if you are truthful, so far none & don't try to deviate from the topic in question. you earlier said 'God told Adam not to eat the fruit but satan told Adam'. now, let me ask you, was it iblis or satan? pilgrims throw stone at jamrah - who is the target, is it iblis or satan?. are satan and iblis also synonymous just like sin and crime? btw, i am not here to like or dislike your 'ism' & 'gy' or what have you as they are your prerogative and i have no issue with that. but when someone says or writes or does something and claims to be from the creator without substantiating evidence, then i won't let it go. remember, non-muslims do read and study quran and history of islam and many of them are islamic scholars.

    11. i am fine with all laws, be it man made laws whatsoever but when there is a conflict between any of the whatsoever laws and the divine law, the divine law shall always prevail.

    12. A muslim statement of faith is “La ilaha ill-Allah, Muhammad ur Rasul Allah” meaning none has the right to be worshiped but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

      The Divine law comes from three main sources i.e. the Qur’an, the Sunnah, and the Hadith.

      “Say (O Muhammad to mankind): If you really love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins”.

      “Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of Allah…… and follow him that you may be guided”.

      Allah said: “……… And whatsoever messenger Muhammad gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you - abstain from it”.
      In a Hadith narrated by Umar bin Al-Khattab : “During the lifetime of the Muhammad there was a man called Abdullah whose nickname was Donkey, and he used to make to make Allah’s Messenger laugh. The Prophet lashed him because of drinking alcohol. And one day he was brought to the Prophet on the same charge and was lashed. On that, a man among the people said; O Allah, curse him! How frequently he has been bought to the Prophet on such a charge. The Prophet said: Do not curse him, for by Allah, I know for he loves Allah and His Messenger”. [8:77-OB; Sahih Al-Bukhari].

      But of course Prophet Muhammad is only a human being, a man who is mortal just like you and me.

    13. correction: 8:77-OB shld be 8:771-OB..

    14. 'The Divine law comes from three main sources i.e. the Qur’an, the Sunnah, and the Hadith'.

      lots of muslims like you are fond (love) of quoting the above statement to justify what they have been doing. it's not uncommon. hadith and sunnah are understood by muslims to be the sayings and deeds of the prophet and used as a source to inteprete the quranic verses. now, what have you got to say concerning the following verses?

      "God, there is no other god, hut He. He will gather you together on the Day of Resurrection which is certain to come; AND WHOSE "HADITH" IS TRUER THAN GOD'S?": (Sura 4:87

      "In what other "hadith" after this will they then believe?" (Sura 77:50).

      "On that day, those who reject faith and disobey the Messenger will wish that the earth were made level with them. But never will they hide a single "hadith" from God": (Sura 4:42)

      "Let them then produce a "hadith" like this (Quran), if indeed they speak the truth". (Sura 52:34).

      "Do not move your tongue (O Muhammad) to hasten the revelation of Quran. It is we who will put it together as a Quran. Once we reveal it, YOU SHALL FOLLOW IT. Then, it is we who will explain it." (75:16-19)

      in fact there are several verses concerning sunnah as well. go & dig out for yourself. since you quoted bukhari's hadith, let me do the same.

      ali bin abi tholib narrated, prophet muhammad said, there is no doubt that, there will be hadiths coming after me, claiming that i have said things. so you must test those hadiths from the quran. if it is really according to the quran only then accept it, otherwise reject it.

      do you know how did the penalty for alcohol consumption come about? it occured during the time of the second caliph umar al-khatab. there was a companion of the prophet who had fought on the latter's side in his battles. a heavy drinker, he walked the streets of madinah drunk at night and loudly shouted scandalous things about people. the inhabitants of madinah complained, and umar formed a committee to decide what to do. ali bin abu tholib, based on the man having committed slander, suggested the penalty for slander, whose max penalty is 80 lashes. now, my question, what are the penalties for consumption of pork, blood, dead meet which are forbidden. no hadith or sunnah to back up? so, is hukum hudud 100% divine law campur2 macam jual kueh2 & barang2 mainan di pasar malam? (satu rm4, 3 rm10 boleh campur!)

      these are among the proofs that no mortals are delegated to punish sinful acts unless you can prove otherwise. for conclusion,

      "You have NO duty EXCEPT delivering (Quran)" (42:48)

      "Your ONLY duty is delivering (Quran), while we will call them to account." (13:40)

    15. Narrated by Anas bin Malik: "People will not stop asking questions till they say, 'This is Allah, the Creator of everything, then they will ask who created Allah?' " [9:399-OB;Sahih Al-Bukhari].

      How true indeed!

    16. thanks to patonah and kampong lad, we have all gained a better understanding of the issues. I now closed this particular thread - no more comments on it will be published.

    17. anhea, tak ada masa tambahan ke? (just joking). tq for giving me the space and i appreciate your patience. cheers!

  12. Religion is the panacea for mankind?

    What a joke.

    Look around and see all those never ending wars since the time religion came. Now all the atrocities commited in the name of religion.

    Who wants to go to heaven with all these religious people?

  13. Anwar Ibrahim has admitted his mistakes in the lead up to Ops Lallang, especially those that were intended to interfere with Chinese school education.

    Mahathir's mea-culpa I suspect is related to his rapidly approaching interview with Allah.

    There is still one protagonist , a 1st-class hypocrite , today the Prime Minister of Malaysia, who has never admitted his key role in fomenting racist attitudes on that day. He was threatening to wash his Dick with Chinese blood.

    I will never forget. As a 12-year old , it was the scariest day of my life up to then. My worried father took me early from school that day with a very worried look on his face.
    My school was not far from the TPCA stadium , and something very ugly was brewing.

  14. Saya sokong kenyataan Tun yang mana Malaysia adalah negara Islam, walaupun undang2 Islam yang sedia termaktub tidak dilaksanakan secara verbatim, ataupun 'silent 'walaupun ada tertmaktub di dalam perlembagaan.
    Sebagai contoh seorang itu akan berkata dianya adalah seorang Kristus walaupun dia jarang jarang sembahyang di gereja mazhabnya.