Friday, August 18, 2006

Malaysians Split over Palestine & Lebanon

The Palestinian and recently the Lebanese issues have seen Malaysians divided into several groups, each with different views.

genocide of Palestinians at Sabra-Shatila refugee camps

Group A - Firstly, there are those without any view or awareness of any regional or international affairs, let alone the Palestinian or Lebanese problems. They could be apolitical, apathetic, too engrossed with their own worries and misfortunate, or just don't know. I believe my Mum and aunties are among them. Maybe we should instead call them Group Huh?

Group B - Then there are those who support Palestinians and a Palestine. This group may be divided into two sub-groups.

Group B(i) - The first subgroup comprises those who are staunchly Muslim and would automatically support other Muslim groups. They see the Palestinian issue as a Muslim issue (even though some Palestinians or Arabs are Christians), therefore it has to be, must be a worthwhile cause to support, as well as to damn those who give grievance to their Muslim brothers and sisters.

Group B(i)(a) - A few of this Group would even support people like Osama bin Laden, Noordin Top, and the late Dr Azahari– well, because these 3 personalities so happen to be Muslims (one of rather late disposition). The few of this sub-group are totally devoted to any Islamic brand, regardless of the cause. So long as it’s, or seen to be, an Islamic group, they will support it, even making up excuses for the excesses of terrorists (mind you, not freedom fighters).

Noordin Top

Hishamuddin Hisham wished he had been able to 'rehabilitate' him

Group B(ii) – these would be the ‘lefties’, ‘wets’, ‘liberals’, ‘do-gooders’, ‘bleeding hearts’ or whatever derogatory labels the conservative Right would hang on them. The members of this group are all, by some strange coincidence, very handsome ;-) and if female, strikingly beautiful, wakakaka. They support Palestinians for an independent Palestine because it’s the right, just and moral thing to do. They don’t care two hoots whether the Palestinians are Muslims, Christians or Watusi’s. They support the Palestinians because they care.

Today they commiserate with Palestinians, some 700,000 of whom were driven out by war or expelled from their land by Jews after the creation of Israel in 1948 and the ensuing Arab-Israeli war. An additional 200,000 Palestinians suffered the same exodus during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

All in all, around 1,000,000 (or even more) dispossessed Palestinians have been driven from their own land by a combination of Zionist money, programs & efforts and the consequences of Western guilt in the Holocaust plus religious (Zionist) belief of (initially) British and (subsequently) American Christians in the return of Jews to the so-called Promised Land, so as to prepare for the Second Coming of Christ.

The late Rachel Corrie was one of this group. And so am I, KTemoc, not that I dare place myself on the same heroic level as the lady. Her tragic murder or accidental killing by an Israeli bulldozer driver did indicate how much hold the Jewish State has over the American Christian Right group, because not one Bush Administration official uttered one single protest or condemnation against the Israeli military.

Before her death, she told reporters about her experience in Palestine: "I feel like I'm witnessing the systematic destruction of a people's ability to survive ... Sometimes I sit down to dinner with people and I realize there is a massive military machine surrounding us, trying to kill the people I'm having dinner with."
Following her death, there were accusations of murder against the Israelis but countered by claims of recklessness of Western protestors by Israeli military. Joshua Hammer, Newsweek bureau chief in Jerusalem

"Whatever the truth, the Israeli army showed no remorse for its action that afternoon. Days after Corrie's death, Arafat's Fatah Party sponsored a memorial service for her in Rafah, attended by representatives of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades as well as ordinary Palestinians."

"Midway through the service, an Israeli tank pulled up beside the mourners and sprayed them with tear gas. Peace activists chased the tank and tossed flowers at it, and in return, the Israeli soldiers inside threatened to run them down. After 15 minutes of cat and mouse, Israeli bulldozers and APCs* rolled in, firing guns and releasing percussion bombs and putting a quick end to the memorial."

* armoured personnel carrier

Nice ar$e-h*les, these so-called Children of the Holocaust. Haven’t they overdrawn on the 'guilt' bank account of their unfortunate Holocaust predecessors?

When Rachel Corrie lamented the "... systematic destruction of a people's ability to survive ...", she was more right than she realized. The late Golda Meir, former PM of Israel, even went to the unscrupulous extent of denying the existence of a displaced ethnic group, the Palestinians, displaced by the intrusion of an aggressive race.

She told the British Sunday Times (published on 15 June 1969): "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people ... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."

Two months later on 29 August, a young pixie-face Palestinian girl by the name of
Leila Khaled made the world acknowledged the existence and grievances of the Palestinians.

Years later, when asked whether she's a terrorist, she replied: "Whenever I hear this word I ask another question: Who planted terrorism in our area? Some came and took our land, forced us to leave, forced us to live in camps. I think this is terrorism. Using means to resist this terrorism and stop its effects - this is called struggle."

And kaytee says Amin to that.

Group C – these consist of anti-Palestinians and pro-Israelis. In some cases those 2 political proclivities can be mutually compatible, but in some not so. They can be divided into 3 sub-groups.

Group C(i) – the members are the vanguard of Group C, the wannabe Israelis, or Christian Zionists, who unfortunately don’t realise that they themselves are actually considered by some Jews as, at best goyims (infidels) or, at worst kushims (niggers). Sorry, can’t help them.

Group C(ii) – these are the guys who support Israeli right to live in their own state. They aren't anti-Palestinians nor pro Israelis per se. I am not going to comment on these people as they are reasonably sincere in their views.

I too have a toe in this group, provided the Israelis withdraw to the 1967 borders in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 242 instead of brazenly demanding Lebanon implement UN Security Council Resolution 1559. Israel has to be described as an international maverick (pariah) for defying some 80 UNSC Resolutions.

Group C(iii) – now, I am worried about this group. They are the exact opposite of Group B(i) and consist mainly of non-Malays. They work on the approach of ‘the enemies of my enemies ...’. Their worldview would be as follows:

(1) they feel discriminated by the intrinsically racist Malaysian New Economic Policy,
(2) thus they don’t like Malays (skipping one node of condemnation by jumping from UMNO straight to the general Malays),
(3) Malays being Muslims, thus they don’t like Muslims.

From that three (or 4) steps of grievance, they invariably dislike Arabs, whom they believe to be all Muslims. That’s why in an earlier posting
Malaysian Troops for Lebanon? Some Views! I drew attention to one Major (Rtd) Swami who wrote in to Malaysiakini stating:

“Throughout my military career, I have noticed that most Malay officers tend to side with the Arabs and most non-Malay officers tend to sympathise with the Israelis.”

And I commented that I do agree with him on this. This posting presents my views as to the why's and wherefore's, rather than his simplified but staunch Christian (Zionist?) anti-communist pro-Israel arguments.

Now, why am I worried about this group? That's because their worldviews leading them to be anti-Palestinians or pro-Israel are just as misplaced as those Muslims who blindly support terrorist groups like al Qaeda or Jemaah Islamiyah. Both are unthinking idiots, full of parichial hatred!

Which group do you belong to? And don't tell me Group A because then you wouldn't be reading this posting ;-).


  1. Group Group B(ii)! Natch, I'm so impossibly gorgeous, I crack mirrors. :)

    Syabas! You nailed the different groups right on their tails. Will be passing this entry and your blog-URL around.

  2. `some 700,000 of whom were driven out by war or expelled from their land by Jews`

    About 800,000 jews were expelled from arab lands.
    `Many, but by no means all, writers on the topic regard the Jewish exodus from Arab lands as a historical parallel to the Palestinian exodus during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Six-Day War. Jews in Arab lands have been reduced by more than 99% since 1948 while the Arab population of Israel has grown larger than its 1948 base.`

    No one like corrie asking for reparations, etc. That -proves the jews are dumb.
    Meanwhile, it cannot be forgotten that Corrie`s british ancestors were responsible for the death of at least half a million jews who were sunk in their rickety boats in the Mediterranean.
    This falling over `arab rights` is so much akin to `useful idiots` -
    `In political jargon, the term "useful idiot" was used during the Cold War by anti-communists to describe Soviet sympathizers in western countries (particularly in the United States) and the alleged attitude of the Soviet government towards them. The implication was that the person in question was naïve, foolish, or in willful denial, and that he or she was being cynically used by the Soviet Union, or another Communist state. The term is still in use and used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by political movement, terrorist group, or hostile government, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.

  3. “Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
    “We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
    “When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.
    Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for

  4. Let us hear what other Arabs have said:

    "There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

    "There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946

    "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956

    What other Arabs declared after the Six-Day War:

    "There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

    "You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

    "As I lived in Palestine, everyone I knew could trace their heritage back to the original country their great grandparents came from. Everyone knew their origin was not from the Canaanites, but ironically, this is the kind of stuff our education in the Middle East included. The fact is that today's Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations! I grew up well knowing the history and origins of today's Palestinians as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, muslim Sherkas from Russia, muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door. My grandfather, who was a dignitary in Bethlehem, almost lost his life by Abdul Qader Al-Husseni (the leader of the Palestinian revolution) after being accused of selling land to Jews. He used to tell us that his village Beit Sahur (The Shepherds Fields) in Bethlehem County was empty before his father settled in the area with six other families. The town has now grown to 30,000 inhabitants".- Walid Shoebat, an "ex-Palestinian" Arab

  5. The Jerusalem Post | August 18, 2006

    Anti-Semitic attitudes in the UK are a leading factor in encouraging aliya for British Jews, according to many of those who arrived here Wednesday.
    Some 140 Britons, 140 Canadians and 240 Americans touched down together at Ben-Gurion Airport on flights sponsored by Nefesh B'Nefesh in partnership with the Jewish Agency.

    The trip from Stansted was the first from the UK, and came amid a backdrop of heightened security following arrests of British Muslims accused of plotting a massive terror attack.

    Several Jews coming from the UK said the terror threat hadn't dissuaded them from traveling and that other recent developments, notably the response in Britain to Israel's actions against Hizbullah, had increased their desire to leave.

    "I believe there is no future for Jews outside Israel," said Yossi Vardakis, 19, while en route from London to Israel, where he plans to study rather than face hostility at a British university. "You don't feel really welcomed being Jewish [in England]. You're attacked for supporting Israel... You see this hatred coming out."

    Since hostilities erupted between Israel and Hizbullah, British Jews have experienced a doubling in the rate of anti-Semitic incidents - most in the form of vandalism and threats - according to the Community Security Trust. Many members of the Jewish community have also accused the British media of incendiary coverage of the conflict.

    Leila Segal, a writer and editor, described herself as living in a "mental ghetto" in London, where she felt she was "always censoring" herself when it came to her Jewish identity.

    "I'm not running away from that, because we have to confront it," she said. "But I really think that coming to Israel and living in Israel, that's a very strong act we can take to affirm our existence."

    Shachar Navon of the Jewish Agency's London branch said the influx of immigrants would contribute to an expected 550 British olim in 2006, the highest number in the last decade and a continuation of a trend which has seen about a 50 percent rise in British newcomers in the last few years.

    She attributed that increase largely to antagonism felt by British Jews: "They say they are not fully secure here in the UK and that there are anti-Semitic acts all the time. They say they want to live in a place that welcomes them instead of looking at them as strangers."

    Standing amid a sea of friends, family and IDF soldiers waving Israeli flags to welcome the new immigrants to Ben-Gurion, Jewish Agency Chairman Ze'ev Bielski said the pull is so strong that the recent violence has not deterred them from coming. In fact, some 4,000 immigrants have arrived since the beginning of the war.

    "People came to the conclusion that never mind Hizbullah, never mind [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad, we are coming here because this is the only Jewish state we have," he said. "It's the only country in the world where the prime minister waits at the airport to welcome new immigrants."

    Soon afterward, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert addressed the crowd, which gave him a muted welcome. He noted the difficult experience the country has recently been through, but said, "One thing that really strengthens this country is aliya."

    He told the audience of teary immigrants, boisterous children and squealing pets, "When more than 500 Jews on this day come to the State of Israel, what they say to the world is, 'We are afraid of no one, because we trust the State of Israel, we believe in the future of Israel and we will build the State of Israel with all the Jewish people.'"

    Debra Kalms, 44, who came from London to join her daughter here, said the current events only strengthened her resolve to come.

    "It's a very historic time in our people's history," said the former executive director of Hadassah in the UK, sitting in Stansted airport with her 13-year-old son before their departure.

    "To come at this time and help be a part of the country and [contribute] to our people and our faith, I feel very privileged to be in that position."

    Daniel Robinson, 19, making aliya on his own from London, said the reports of Katyusha and army casualties had made him "rethink how hard it would be" to live in Israel, but "hasn't for a second made me question my plans to make aliya."

    In fact, he said that when he heard Nefesh B'Nefesh was launching its first UK flight, it pushed him to come ahead of schedule.

  6. What demohcrazy has commented underlines the complexity of the region, and that there is no easy solution that will be accepted by all parties concerned. I did an entry on the middle east situation sometime back, and basically stated that there is NO easy solution, that all parties over the years have blood on their hands.

    But more importantly, is the objective of all parties really peace?

    I believe that Israel has a right to exist, and that it's neighboring countries (itself included) must accept some level of responsibility for the situation as it is today, and that it's time to back off militarily, and move forward towards a peaceful settlement for all involved. But this will only work if peace is the true objective, and provided none of the parties have other agendas in mind.

    IMHO It would be futile to address the situation from a rectification of past wrongs perspective. Too much wrong, by too many people, has transpired for this approach to be of any use.

    So where would that put me? Probably partly B(ii) and partly C(ii)? But then again, I am not bad looking either(LOL)... ;-)

  7. I think demohcrazy is a pro Israel commentator... perhaps another spammer... who knows?

    I suppose the problem goes all the way to Jacob.

    You know, in Hebrew, Israel means "he who fights God"....

    Perhaps KTemoc may consult the old Testament and do a bolg on this issue.

    And I agree with KTemoc that those Malaysians (non Jews) who go all the way to support Israel is ... well...very awkward, (I would go further by saying that they are STUPID) given some Jews consider these people as goyims and kushims...

  8. I may be pro-israeli. So?
    Thank you for calling me STUPID. I really appreciate that - been a very lomg time since i was called that. Obviously you know me for many years then.
    I don`t give a rat`s arse what the jews call me.
    But I do know what muslims have in store for me.
    As for you i can only say ignorance must be very blissful for you. You want to fart around with the old testament but you try hard to be a `useful idiot` as far as the muslim book is concerned.

  9. `(I would go further by saying that they are STUPID) given some Jews consider these people as goyims and kushims...`

    Come to think of it, you need to study the Koran. You will be enlightened. Many have converted after seeing how lovely it is.

  10. However you may want to group the
    opinions of people on the Arab - Israeli conflict, you seem to have forgotten that all politics is based on simplified views of the world. It matters not if these views are 'correct'. Take for example the Muslim extremist who are the 'heroes' of the Arab world, can anyone actually talk to them about co-existence with the Israelis? Now we have non-Malay Malaysians who think that all Malays-Muslims are rotten and by extension all Arabs-Muslims are also rotten. Both of these groups exist because of racial/religious discrimination. However, it is particularly painful for the latter who sees their hard earned taxes being spent on people who are not only not keen to help them but will kill them like flies in the name of their religion. They do not FEEL discriminated against by racist economic policies. They KNOW they are discriminated against in economic and religious terms. Yes, Ktemoc you should rightly worry about the people in Group C (iii). After all charity begins at home. But it sems to me you are more worried about the views of Group C(iii) than Group B(i). Now, when was the last time the former blew up a Muslim? On the other hand our Malaysia Boleh Azahari and Nordin Top have blown up many non-Western non-Muslims.
    Moreover, to paraphrase a great man named Muhammad Ali, 'A Jew has never called me an infidel'.
    Yes, you should worry about these non-Malays. It will be so easy to use these non-Malays against Malaysia. Just look at the Kurds and Shites in Iraq. Saddam Hussein must be cursing himself for having disciminated against the Kurds and Shites in Iraq. We all know, no matter what happens to the Americans in Iraq the Sunnis have lost Iraq forever. The Kurds and Shites in order to prevent a return of the Sunnis to power will choose civil war over peace with the Sunnis if they have to. In this sense the Americans have suceeded beyond their wildest dreams in driving the wedge betwen the Shites and Sunnis so deep that it may be impossible to remove. The impending civil war in Iraq is just an extension of the Iran-Iraq war but it will make the Iran-Iraq war look like a picnic.
    Yes, Ktemoc worry about these non-Malays. Worry about them a lot as there are many of them.
    I think I belong to another group called the 'worry-warts'

  11. Anon, you know something? You have not only proven my point but actually reiterated my assessment expressed in the posting.

    But it sems to me you are more worried about the views of Group C(iii) than Group B(i).

    You forgot to add what I explained about my worries - that the views (your word too) of Group C(iii) are "just as misplaced as those Muslims who blindly support terrorist groups like al Qaeda or Jemaah Islamiyah."

    Why wouldn't I worry about that.

    However, your "other" speculation or hint is a bit of a wishful thinking.

  12. Group D.I support neither.To wage war is stupid.To do so in the name of religion(albeit cloaked in political ideology)is doubly so.I wish they would just go away.

  13. A country divided is the easiest to subdue. Lest you forget KTEMOC.

  14. Group C(ii)... supportive of a Palestinian homeland free from harassment, and the Israeli's right to exist.