SPITTING IN FOOD - THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM

 

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Wednesday, October 30, 2024

SPITTING IN FOOD - THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM

 

 

• This month, two Indian states plan to impose hefty fines and imprisonment for contaminating food with spit, urine and dirt.
• The northern state of Uttarakhand will fine offenders up to 100,000 rupees ($1,190; £920), while neighbouring Uttar Pradesh is set to introduce stringent laws to address the issue.
• The government directives followed the circulation of unverified videos on social media showing vendors spitting on food at local stalls and restaurants.
• videos sparked outrage among users, with many expressing concern about food safety in these states

strict laws are necessary and are aimed at deterring people from indulging in unhygienic practices around food

Food and food habits are sensitive subjects in culturally-diverse India as they are deeply intertwined with religion and the country's hierarchical caste system. Norms and taboos around food sometimes lead to clashes between communities, sparking feelings of distrust. Consequently, the notion of "food safety" has also become entangled with religion, which is sometimes used to ascribe motive to alleged incidents of contamination.

unsafe food causes around 600 million infections and 400,000 deaths annually

• when videos of vendors spitting in food came out, people were shocked and outraged. Soon after, Uttarakhand announced hefty fines on offenders and made it mandatory for police to verify hotel staff and for CCTVs to be installed in kitchens.
• In Uttar Pradesh, Chief Minister said police should verify every employee. The state also plans to make it mandatory for food centres to display the names of their owners, for cooks and waiters to wear masks and gloves and for CCTVs to be installed in hotels and restaurants.
• ordinances that will penalise spitting in food with imprisonment up to 10 years.
• police in Barakanki town arrested restaurant owner Mohammad Irshad for allegedly spitting on a roti (flat bread) while preparing it. Irshad was charged with disturbing peace and religious harmony, the Hindustan Times newspaper reported.
• Earlier this month, police in Mussoorie, Uttarakhand, arrested two men - Naushad Ali and Hasan Ali - for allegedly spitting in a saucepan while making tea, and accused them of causing public outrage and jeopardising health, reported The Hindu.
• videos of the men spitting found their way onto social media days before they were arrested

government's orders aimed at making food safe for consumption
police have started conducting surprise checks at eateries 
"urge people to wear masks and gloves and install CCTVs" wherever they go for checks
need for new ordinances and laws around food safety

My Comments : These folks in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh have long been into these dysfunctional behaviours. I found this:

Dysfunctional behaviors are strange social behaviors that violate social norms, actions that are unexpected or different from what is typical or usual. They can be caused by physical or mental health problems. 

That is too many words. I like to be brief - they are just stupid and they are mentally retarded. Low IQ.

Jayanth Bhandari says there are only two types of societies in this world. The First World (the West, Japan, China, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong) and "The Rest". The Rest is home to the stupids and the mental retards in huge numbers.

The society is so rotten in these countries that every year there are about TWO MILLION people leaving India to seek a better life elsewhere. Pakistan and Bangladesh together add about another million to this number. These are Permanently Failed Societies or PFS. Even their own people cannot bear to live there anymore. (But dont the people realise that indeed they themselves are the problem? The problem with India is that is where the Indians live).

The South African comedian Dr Riaad Moosa joked that even during the heights of apartheid the Indian "migrants"  were banging on the doors to get into South Africa.

More recently groups of Indians signed up to fight in the ongoing war in Ukraine. The US Dollar pay was too irresistible for them. Out of one such group of 15 Indian 'mercenaries', 13 of them were killed. I dont know what happened to the two who survived. Maybe they went to South Africa. But rest assured more Indians are ready to sign up to die in Ukraine. It is better than what they have back home.

After the Hamas attack against Israel on October 7th last year about 300,000 Arabs from Gaza have permanently lost their daily jobs in Israel as farm labourers, construction and factory workers. The Israelis have announced that these 300,000 Gazans will never be allowed to work in Israel again. It has been suggested that Israel recruit Hindu workers from India to replace those 300,000 Arabs.

Israel seeks 10,000 Indian construction workers, offering Rs 1.92 lakh/month salary
- The Economic Times, Sep 10, 2024

Once again Indians are willing to risk life and limb to work in war zones.

These are the Permanently Failed Societies. They uphold strange religious and cultural beliefs which only causes them problems and makes their lives difficult. Their beliefs are obviously satanic beliefs - otherwise they will not cause them so much trouble. 

 

 ٱلشَّيْطَـٰنُ يَعِدُكُمُ ٱلْفَقْرَ وَيَأْمُرُكُم بِٱلْفَحْشَآءِ ۖ وَٱللَّهُ يَعِدُكُم مَّغْفِرَةًۭ مِّنْهُ وَفَضْلًۭا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ وَٰسِعٌ عَلِيمٌۭ  

Surah 2:268   "Satan promises you poverty and commands you to immorality, while Allah promises you forgiveness from Him and bounty. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing". 

So if you are stuck in poverty generation after generation, and you are stuck in stupid beliefs and dysfunctional behaviours generation after generation - well your good friend Satan is sitting on your shoulder and pissing into your ears.

When the white man had to leave India, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Middle East etc many of them cried. These lands - our lands - had made the white man so rich. Yet the people who have taken back their lands from the white man now live in such poverty and immorality.  Now these people want to migrate to the white man's countries in Europe, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Why? Because the white man does not spit in the food.

Red Sea Is Now So Dangerous Even NATO Warships Are Avoiding It

Thanks 'MF':


https://gcaptain.com/red-sea-is-now-so-dangerous-even-nato-warships-are-avoiding-it/

This is simply ridiculous. We need a global coalition to destroy the Houthis capability to shut down shipping. Now.

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Red Sea Is Now So Dangerous Even NATO Warships Are Avoiding It

John Konrad

October 29, 2024

by John Konrad (gCaptain)



The Red Sea, one of the world’s busiest and most strategically vital waterways, has become so hazardous that even the German Navy is steering clear. Defense Minister Boris Pistorius’s decision to redirect the frigate Baden-Württemberg and support vessel Frankfurt am Main around the Cape of Good Hope on their return from an Indo-Pacific deployment speaks volumes. The Red Sea is now deemed too perilous, underscoring just how ineffective current U.S. and EU naval protections are in this region.

For months, the U.S. and EU have stationed forces to secure the Red Sea’s shipping lanes. Yet, Houthi rebels, equipped and backed by Iran, continue to harass and attack vessels under the guise of “solidarity” with Palestinian forces in Gaza. Reports reveal Houthi attacks extending into the Indian Ocean and even the Mediterranean, a spread that demonstrates their increased capability and adaptability. The EU’s mission Aspides commander warned of escalating danger but lacked the ships and resources needed to respond adequately. The United States Navy continues to send warships through the Red Sea, but its mission to protect merchant ships---Operation Prosperity Guardian—is considered a failure by several naval experts we interviewed and has significantly diminished in scope and size. As a result, even many US-flagged commercial vessels -- which the US Navy is obligated by law to protect – are opting to divert their routes around Africa.

The impact has been devastating. Major shipping lines are rerouting to avoid the Red Sea entirely, disrupting supply chains and escalating transport costs globally. The German decision to bypass the Red Sea -- lengthening the journey by thousands of miles – should be a wake up call for the minority of ship owners who are still transiting the red sea.

This situation shines a harsh light on decades of underspending on naval defense among NATO members, particularly in Europe. Faced with maritime challenges from the Indo-Pacific to the Middle East, European nations -- not to mention North American ally Canada, which has allowed its navy to shrink to an alarmingly small size – find themselves stretched thin, struggling to deploy warships where they are needed most.

The failure to invest in robust maritime forces, and preference to spend small defense budgets on Army capabilities, has left Western navies with insufficient resources to counter even minor threats like the Houthis effectively.

With geopolitical tensions escalating and traditional maritime routes becoming war zones, this re-routing marks a turning point. Unless NATO allies begin addressing these gaps by investing in naval assets, modern maritime strategies, and systems aboard merchant ships capable of defending against drones and missiles the future of secure global shipping lanes remains in question.


The broader question is even more stark: If NATO cannot send warships to face the Houthis, how will it possibly survive in a war against a larger adversary like China?




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BBC:


Red Sea crisis: What it takes to reroute the world's biggest cargo ships

22 January 2024

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Cargo ships are being rerouted from shipping lanes through the Suez Canal and the Red Sea (Credit: Alamy)


Hundreds of cargo ships are being rerouted around the southern tip of Africa to avoid Houthi attacks in the Red Sea. But just how easy is it to divert the world's biggest ships?


You can see exactly where the drone attack hit. Just look for the grisly black scorch marks staining the ship's white paint. On 17 January, the MV Genco Picardy, a US-owned bulk carrier, became the latest victim of Houthi rebel assaults on commercial ships sailing through the Red Sea. One of the world's busiest shipping lanes is now, surely, the most dangerous.


Since November, Yemen's Houthi rebel group has targeted vessels passing through the strait of Bab al-Mandab, a 20 mile (32km) wide channel that splits north-east Africa from Yemen on the Arabian Peninsula. They claim to be targeting vessels with connections to Israel following the start of the war in the Gaza Strip.


They've used everything from heavily armed hijackers to missiles and drones. For seafarers caught up in the chaos, it must be terrifying. A tanker, for example, could carry around one million barrels of highly flammable oil. The crew of the MV Genco Picardy – which was carrying phosphate rock – were unharmed and were able to extinguish the fire caused by the incendiary drone.


It's not a situation anyone would envy, says Michelle Wiese Bockmann as she describes counting no fewer than 300 ships entering the most dangerous stretch of the Red Sea one day earlier this week.



"Every one of those 300 vessels has between 15 and 25 people on board," says the principal analyst at global maritime experts Lloyd's List Intelligence. "It's like a bus carrying passengers sailing straight into what, for them, is a warzone. They have no say in whether they do that."

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The MV Genco Picardy was attacked by a drone in January as it sailed from the Red Sea into the Gulf of Aden (Credit: UPI/Alamy Live News)


An estimated 12% of global trade passes through the Red Sea every year, worth more than $1tn (£790bn). But many shipping firms have begun avoiding the area altogether. Hundreds of giant container ships, some of them more than 300m (984ft) long, are now choosing a lengthy detour around the continent of Africa instead of heading up the Red Sea and through the Suez Canal on voyages from Asia to Europe. But rerouting such large vessels is no easy task – the logistics involved can be enormous and time consuming.


Elsewhere, the severe drought afflicting the Panama Canal and the war in Ukraine – which has curtailed grain shipments via the Black Sea – are also strangling global supply chains. There is an urgency to adapt and reroute, though it comes with serious financial and environmental consequences.


In November last year, the Houthis hijacked a car carrier and released a video of the incident to the world. Their explosive weapons have also struck container ships, bulk carriers and narrowly missed a Russian oil tanker – the latter targeted, apparently, by mistake. US and UK military operations intended to protect ships and deter the Houthis have also entered the fray. (Read more about why the Houthis are attacking Red Sea shipping.)



Besides the threat to life and limb, sailing into such a maelstrom means higher insurance premiums, possible legal problems and unpredictable delays. The cargo carried by these vessels can be worth millions to hundreds of millions of dollars. So, it's no surprise that shipping companies have decided, in many cases, to send their vessels elsewhere. (Find out why it is so hard to protect the world's biggest ships.)


Steering clear of the Red Sea and taking the lengthy detour around the Cape of Good Hope, however, adds around 3,500 nautical miles (6,500km) and 10-12 days sailing time to each trip. This requires extra fuel (an additional $1m/£790,000's worth according to some estimates), possibly finding alternative ports of call, adjustments to delivery timetables, and rising costs. But many companies are making that choice rather than risk attack by missiles and hijackers.
Ships sailing thousands of miles more than they otherwise would use up far more fuel and emit more carbon into the atmosphere to deliver the same cargo


Container lines have been left scrambling to rent enough ships for the lengthened journeys their vessels must now take to avoid the Red Sea, and there are fears that the crisis could have widespread economic impacts, pushing up prices of goods and delaying deliveries of high-value products by weeks or perhaps even longer.


Lloyd's List Intelligence's Wiese Bockmann says the Houthis have become increasingly indiscriminate, echoing comments by officials at the US National Security Council.



Someone else who has been watching the crisis unfold is Anna Nagurney, an economist at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. There were already significant choke points in global trade, including reduced flows through the drought-stricken Panama Canal, which connects the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic.


"A lot of [China's] ships were rerouting and not using the Panama Canal but starting to use the Suez Canal," she says. "So now that's going topsy turvy."



Taking a detour around the Cape of Good Hope seems extreme but shipping firms have done it before, for different reasons. In this case, there aren't really any alternatives given the huge volumes of cargo involved, says Nagurney. A spokesman for Maersk, one of the world's largest shipping companies, insists that there are limits to how much cargo can be moved from shipping to rail and air transport, because of the sheer amount that cargo ships can carry.



However, the harsh weather conditions sometimes encountered by vessels navigating Africa's southern tip mean that this option is not without risk itself, adds Nagurney.

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Trillions of dollars of trade are transported around the world on cargo ships every year (Credit: Alamy)


Companies involved in shipping and logistics are highly experienced in getting cargo to where it needs to go, one way or another, and global supply chains are actually highly resilient, says Wiese Bockmann. She says the current Red Sea crisis should not be viewed as "Armageddon" for the shipping industry.


A case in point is how the Ukrainians have adapted to the threat posed to their grain ships by the Russian navy in the Black Sea. Nagurney and her colleagues have studied the extraordinary response to this problem, which has resulted in Ukraine moving millions of tonnes of grain along alternate corridors – such as up the Danube River or over land to sea ports in Romania, which are currently safer for departing vessels than ports in Ukraine.


That's not to say that all this rerouting of huge cargo ships does not have serious consequences. There are already reports of increased costs that will likely get passed on to consumers. Eddie Anderson, a professor in supply chain management at Imperial College London, suggests that the cost of shipping containers around, for one thing, is not likely to reach the extraordinary levels that it did during the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic. High fees certainly aren't a barrier to the manufacturers reportedly choosing to send their products and components by air freight at the moment, rather than risk delays to their supply lines.



A key question is how long the Red Sea crisis will go on for. Shipping firms and experts have already suggested it could last for months. Anderson agrees: "You're certainly talking about months. I don't imagine it's going to be years – but who can say."


There's also the environmental impact to think about. Sudden increases in shipping traffic can lead to dramatic changes in underwater noise that can affect local fish stocks and marine mammals.


Plus, ships sailing thousands of miles more than they otherwise would use up far more fuel and emit more carbon into the atmosphere to deliver the same cargo. In 2023, the International Maritime Organization set goals of reaching net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 and reducing emissions by at least 20% by 2030.


"If this continues, shipping won't be able to reach reduction of emissions this year," says Rico Luman, a transport economist at banking and financial services firm ING. He points out that oil tankers are covering significantly more miles than they were prior to the war in Ukraine because sanctions targeting Russia have led to the reshaping of many shipping routes. So ships of certain kinds are already emitting more, per unit of cargo, than they were previously.

What is clear, though, is that the Houthi assault on global trade will not scupper supply chains. It is a severe threat nonetheless – and all the more so for the seafarers whose lives remain at risk.

You’re our past, not our future, Sarawak activist reminds Dr Mahathir

Focus Malaysia:

You’re our past, not our future, Sarawak activist reminds Dr Mahathir

By Bernie Yeo

SARAWAK rights activist Peter John Jaban has chided former premier Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad over his comment that Sarawak should help poorer states in Malaysia as it is now a high-income state.

The Saya Anak Sarawak (SAS) founder said the elderly statesman continues to display a lack of regard for a federalised system – the same lack of regard which sidelined the Borneo states and their culture during his tenure that had directly led to the autonomy movement now shaping the country today.

“Dr Mahathir is indeed the architect of modern Malaysia. He has always been a centralist and, throughout his tenure as prime minister, continually advocated for control under a single authority, namely his own,” Peter John said in a statement on Thursday (Oct 31).

“Unfortunately, it seems like the wisdom and experience of increasing age has not changed this. Given his history, it is not surprising that Tun does not seem to understand the wishes of Sabah and Sarawak to have greater control over our own resources than his government allowed.”

Peter John pointed out that Dr Mahathir’s name dominated Malaysian politics for decades and there is no doubt as to his transformative effects on the nation but to achieve this, the 99-year-old politician had consistently “diverted development funds from the Borneo states to peninsular Malaysia”.

“We in the Borneo states actually believe that the twin towers of the Petronas building should be named ‘Sabah and Sarawak’, in recognition of the role our resources have played in building this nation,” the Sarawak Association for People’s Aspirations (SAPA) publicity and information chief remarked.

“At the age of 99, it seems Dr Mahathir is now seeking to shift the burden for his failures onto the very people sidelined during his time in office.

“In fact, Sarawak has achieved high income status despite his policies, not because of them. But now the reality is laid bare. His mega projects – Cyberjaya, Langkawi, the Petronas Twin Towers, Sepang International Circuit and other costly ventures – have only benefited a select few, leaving some of the other states across Malaya to fend for themselves, just as Sarawak and Sabah have had to.”

While acknowledging that Sarawak is happy to contribute to the federal coffers through proper channels, Peter John expressed hope that the Madani government under Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim’s leadership will be better at equitable allocation than Dr Mahathir was.

He said while Sarawak is a high-income state, its infrastructure, all under the aegis of the federal government, remains “woefully underfunded”, adding that schools, hospitals, roads and education require investment.

“Sarawak has worked hard to get to where it is and, as we have been taught under his tenure, we will now look to ourselves to achieve this,” he stressed.

“After years of being treated as the ‘stepchildren’ of Malaysia, the Borneo states are finally standing on their own two feet.

“We hope that Dr Mahathir will stay at home to digest just how the states he dubbed as lazy, slow and greedy as recently as 2018 have pulled off this transformation.

“We hope that all our policymakers do the same. Perhaps then they will start to see that strong leaders in a properly federalised system of government, which respects the role of each state, might be the future of this nation instead of the racially-based, centralised system currently in place. So, stop asking from us.” – Oct 31, 2024

24 Chinese nationals repatriated from Sabah

theVibes.com:

24 Chinese nationals repatriated from Sabah

The foreigners, all men, were detained for overstaying, other immigration offences

Updated 23 hours ago · Published on 30 Oct 2024 4:33PM

The Chinese nationals who were deported from Sabah. - Pic courtesy of Sabah Immigration Department, The Vibes, October 30, 2024



by Jason Santos


TWENTY-four Chinese nationals were deported from Sabah in the latest immigration crackdown aimed at curbing the state's undocumented migrant population.

The group, all men aged between 31 and 64, left the country via Tawau Airport on October 29, 2024, and were repatriated to Guangzhou, China.

The men had been detained at the Tawau Immigration Depot for violating Section 15(1)(c) of the Immigration Act 1959/63, which pertains to overstaying and other immigration offences.

Most were fined RM10,000 each before being deported. Four individuals were exempted from the penalty due to their advanced age, according to officials.

The Sabah Immigration authorities have deported 34 Chinese nationals, while a total of 256 foreign nationals were removed from the state this year alone.

Sabah Immigration Department Director Datuk Sh Sitti Saleha Habib Yussof confirmed that these latest repatriations are part of a broader effort that has resulted in the deportation of 6,873 illegal immigrants from Sabah in 2024.

The figures include 4,925 adult males, 1,159 adult females, 450 boys, and 339 girls.

Most of those deported were from the Philippines (4,805), followed by Indonesia (1,855), with smaller numbers repatriated to Pakistan, Vietnam, China, and other nations.

"All deportees were found to have breached Malaysian immigration laws, and their removal was carried out in cooperation with their respective embassies," said Sitti Saleha, adding that delays in cooperation from foreign embassies often result in prolonged detention for migrants at holding centres.

The department also issued a stern warning to employers, reminding them that all foreign workers in Sabah must hold valid work permits.

Tourists entering the state on social visit passes were also cautioned against overstaying or misusing their permits, with offenders facing prosecution and a potential re-entry ban to Sabah and Malaysia. - October 30, 2024

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kt comments:

Headlines tell you 24 Chinese nationals were deported but if you read on, you will see that most of those deported were from the Philippines (4,805), followed by Indonesia (1,855), with smaller numbers repatriated to Pakistan, Vietnam, China, and other nations.

Why weren't the headlines written as:

4805 Filipino nationals repatriated from Sabah

or

1855 Indon nationals repatriated from Sabah???

😡😡😡

Owner of MyKad found in Ukraine battlefield was studying there, says IGP

FMT:

Owner of MyKad found in

Ukraine battlefield was

studying there, says IGP

FMT Reporters

-31 Oct 2024, 02:56 PM

Razarudin Husain says Bukit Aman is waiting for the Russian embassy to respond to allegations that Malaysians have been caught up in the conflict.

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Several photos of a MyKad and Malaysian driving licence found on a battlefield in Ukraine went viral recently.

PETALING JAYA: 

The owner of the MyKad and Malaysian driving licence allegedly found on a battlefield in Ukraine was furthering his studies there, says Inspector-General of Police Razarudin Husain.

Razarudin said he was informed of this following discussions with the student’s family.

“Police are taking further action based on this information,” Berita Harian quoted him as saying.

Razarudin also said Bukit Aman is waiting for the Russian embassy to respond to allegations that Malaysians have been caught up in the conflict between the two nations.

“We are waiting for them to confirm these allegations and the status of the Malaysians (in Ukraine),” he said.

“We urge the public not to speculate or link (the Malaysians) with ‘foreign fighters’.”

Several photos, depicting a MyKad and Malaysian driving licence found on a battlefield, went viral recently.

The documents were reportedly found after Russian forces took a Ukrainian position in Levadne, Zaporizhzhia.

The driving licence apparently belongs to someone with an address in Padang Besar, Perlis, and is valid until next February.

Guardian:

Arnold Schwarzenegger endorses Kamala Harris: ‘I will always be an American before I am a Republican’

The former Republican governor said that he was backing the Democrat because a Trump victory would mean ‘four more years of bullshit’

• US elections 2024 – live updates

Catherine Shoard

Thu 31 Oct 2024 03.26 AEDT

The former Republican governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger has announced that he is backing Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris in next week’s election.

In a long post on X, Schwarzenegger, 77, said that while he doesn’t “really do endorsements” … “hate[s] politics” and doesn’t “trust most politicians”, he felt compelled to formally endorse Harris and her pick for vice president Tim Walz.

“I will always be an American before I am a Republican,” he wrote. “That’s why, this week, I am voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. I’m sharing it with all of you because I think there are a lot of you who feel like I do. You don’t recognise our country. And you are right to be furious.”

Schwarzenegger, who quit acting between 2003 and 2011 while he served in California, continued by writing that he was disappointed in all those who have been in power in the US over the past decades who have discussed addressing the national debt and “our broken immigration system” yet not managing to do so. This continued during election campaigning, he said, as politicians prefer “having talking points” for elections rather than performing “the public service that will make Americans’ lives better.”

“It is a just game to them. But it is life for my fellow Americans. We should be pissed,” Schwarzenegger wrote. “But a candidate who won’t respect your vote unless it is for him, a candidate who will send his followers to storm the Capitol while he watches with a Diet Coke, a candidate who has shown no ability to work to pass any policy besides a tax cut that helped his donors and other rich people like me but helped no one else else, a candidate who thinks Americans who disagree with him are the bigger enemies than China, Russia, or North Korea – that won’t solve our problems.”

Schwarzenegger, who replaced Donald Trump as host of The New Celebrity Apprentice in 2016, has long been an outspoken critic of the former president and current Republican candidate. Schwarzenegger likened the 6 January attack on the Capitol to the Kristallnacht in Nazi Germany and described Trump as “a failed leader. He will go down in history as the worst president ever.”

He returned to the aftermath of the 2020 election on X, saying that “rejecting the results of an election is as un-American as it gets. To someone like me who talks to people all over the world and still knows America is the shining city on a hill, calling America [a] trash can for the world is so unpatriotic, it makes me furious.”

Were Trump to be re-elected, he said, “it will just be four more years of bullshit with no results that makes us angrier and angrier, more divided, and more hateful. We need to close the door on this chapter of American history, and I know that former President Trump won’t do that.”

“I want to move forward as a country,” he concluded, “and even though I have plenty of disagreements with their platform, I think the only way to do that is with Harris and Walz.”