Hong Kong's democratic dream ends as China 'improves' its voting system
Ever since Britain returned Hong Kong to Chinese rule in 1997, opposition activists have tried to bring full democracy to the city, believing that China would live up to its promise to one day allow universal suffrage to elect the city’s leader.
On Friday, that campaign was dealt its biggest blow. Chinese parliamentarians in Beijing unveiled details of a plan to revamp the political structure of China’s freest city that critics say has all but killed off the pledge of one person, one vote.
China’s move comes months after a sweeping national security law was imposed on the Asian financial hub, cracking down on dissent, and more than a year after months of sometimes violent anti-China, pro-democracy protests which swept the city.
“There is not much we can do to effectively change what they’re deciding,” the head of the Democratic Party, Lo Kin-hei, told Reuters.
The structural changes will include increasing the city’s legislative seats from 70 to 90, with some of these to now be decided by a committee stacked with Beijing loyalists. Seats likely to be controlled by the democrats will either be scrapped or reduced.
A 1,200-person committee that picks Hong Kong’s leader will be expanded - further “improving” a system controlled by Chinese “patriots”, according to Wang Chen, a vice chairman of the Standing Committee of China’s National People’s Congress.
On Friday, that campaign was dealt its biggest blow. Chinese parliamentarians in Beijing unveiled details of a plan to revamp the political structure of China’s freest city that critics say has all but killed off the pledge of one person, one vote.
China’s move comes months after a sweeping national security law was imposed on the Asian financial hub, cracking down on dissent, and more than a year after months of sometimes violent anti-China, pro-democracy protests which swept the city.
“There is not much we can do to effectively change what they’re deciding,” the head of the Democratic Party, Lo Kin-hei, told Reuters.
The structural changes will include increasing the city’s legislative seats from 70 to 90, with some of these to now be decided by a committee stacked with Beijing loyalists. Seats likely to be controlled by the democrats will either be scrapped or reduced.
A 1,200-person committee that picks Hong Kong’s leader will be expanded - further “improving” a system controlled by Chinese “patriots”, according to Wang Chen, a vice chairman of the Standing Committee of China’s National People’s Congress.
Wang told reporters the moves, that would involve re-drafting parts of Hong Kong’s mini-constitution, the Basic Law, would consolidate China’s “overall jurisdiction” over the city and fix “deep-seated problems” once and for all.
It was in the Basic Law that Beijing promised universal suffrage as an ultimate goal for Hong Kong.
But Friday’s moves now stand to nip in the bud the risk of any resurgence of the democracy movement, founded after Beijing’s violent crackdown on pro-democracy protesters in and around Tiananmen Square in 1989.
With many leading democrats now jailed or forced into exile, including Lo’s predecessor, Wu Chi-wai, who was denied bail this week along with dozens of others for an alleged conspiracy to “overthrow” the government, the democrats will try to utilise their grassroots networks to keep their ideals alive.
“The trust towards the system is fading ... and it’s not a good sign if we want a more peaceful society to not allow different voices to be in harmony,” Lo told Reuters.
‘Moving backwards’
Another veteran democracy campaigner said Chinese leader Xi Jinping, who became head of the Communist Party in 2012, had changed the trajectory of Hong Kong’s moves towards full democracy, going against the oft-cited promise of China’s late leader, Deng Xiaoping, to let Hong Kong people “rule” Hong Kong.
“It’s a great tragedy,” said the source, who declined to be identified given the sensitivity of the political atmosphere. “They are moving backwards, not forwards, and taking us back in time to a dark, dark place.”
With the opposition now likely to be become a permanent minority in a re-modelled legislature, the shift towards China’s one-party model will create openings for new patriotic factions, critics and some pro-Beijing politicians say.
China, given its rise into a global superpower, now has the power and resources to extend its autocratic governance despite criticism and sanctions from the West.
Some see Hong Kong’s British Common Law legal system as the last bastion against China’s tightening authoritarian grip.
It was in the Basic Law that Beijing promised universal suffrage as an ultimate goal for Hong Kong.
But Friday’s moves now stand to nip in the bud the risk of any resurgence of the democracy movement, founded after Beijing’s violent crackdown on pro-democracy protesters in and around Tiananmen Square in 1989.
With many leading democrats now jailed or forced into exile, including Lo’s predecessor, Wu Chi-wai, who was denied bail this week along with dozens of others for an alleged conspiracy to “overthrow” the government, the democrats will try to utilise their grassroots networks to keep their ideals alive.
“The trust towards the system is fading ... and it’s not a good sign if we want a more peaceful society to not allow different voices to be in harmony,” Lo told Reuters.
‘Moving backwards’
Another veteran democracy campaigner said Chinese leader Xi Jinping, who became head of the Communist Party in 2012, had changed the trajectory of Hong Kong’s moves towards full democracy, going against the oft-cited promise of China’s late leader, Deng Xiaoping, to let Hong Kong people “rule” Hong Kong.
“It’s a great tragedy,” said the source, who declined to be identified given the sensitivity of the political atmosphere. “They are moving backwards, not forwards, and taking us back in time to a dark, dark place.”
With the opposition now likely to be become a permanent minority in a re-modelled legislature, the shift towards China’s one-party model will create openings for new patriotic factions, critics and some pro-Beijing politicians say.
China, given its rise into a global superpower, now has the power and resources to extend its autocratic governance despite criticism and sanctions from the West.
Some see Hong Kong’s British Common Law legal system as the last bastion against China’s tightening authoritarian grip.
More than 50 democratic advocates crammed into a court in the city this week, some of whom face potential life imprisonment on a subversion charge under the national security law promulgated directly by China’s parliament last June.
Two democrats, veteran activist Leung Kwok-hung and former law professor Benny Tai, had to shuttle between two courtrooms for concurrent hearings, while others were taken to hospital after falling ill during marathon sessions.
Under the security law, the onus rests on defendants to argue a case for bail - which critics say overturns the common law tradition.
Hong Kong returned to China in 1997 under a “one country, two systems” formula, which guaranteed its way of life, freedoms and independent legal system.
Barrister Martin Lee, 82, dubbed the city’s father of democracy, wrote in a 2014 editorial in the New York Times that universal suffrage was the only way to honour Deng’s “one country, two systems” formula and to “keep his blueprint from becoming a litany of broken promises”.
The current moves could be a final departure from that.
“This is now an over-correction,” a senior Western diplomat told Reuters.
“In trying to wrest control back, there is a danger that they will overdo it and kill the goose that lays the golden egg.”
Two democrats, veteran activist Leung Kwok-hung and former law professor Benny Tai, had to shuttle between two courtrooms for concurrent hearings, while others were taken to hospital after falling ill during marathon sessions.
Under the security law, the onus rests on defendants to argue a case for bail - which critics say overturns the common law tradition.
Hong Kong returned to China in 1997 under a “one country, two systems” formula, which guaranteed its way of life, freedoms and independent legal system.
Barrister Martin Lee, 82, dubbed the city’s father of democracy, wrote in a 2014 editorial in the New York Times that universal suffrage was the only way to honour Deng’s “one country, two systems” formula and to “keep his blueprint from becoming a litany of broken promises”.
The current moves could be a final departure from that.
“This is now an over-correction,” a senior Western diplomat told Reuters.
“In trying to wrest control back, there is a danger that they will overdo it and kill the goose that lays the golden egg.”
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kt notes:
“Hong Kong cannot leave the Buddha’s palm. If one day, the Buddha decides to put a ring around the forehead of the monkey, then the monkey will have to take note.”
According to the classic, Sun Wukong wore such a golden headband around his head which he could not take off. His master the Buddhist monk Tang Sanzang could recite a particular spell to constrict the band to cause searing pains to punish the monkey and bring him under control.
Alas, Yeo has proved prescient with his analogy.
- George Yeo (Singapore's former former foreign minister) referring to the classic 'Journey West' in 2019
Alas, Yeo has proved prescient with his analogy.
The Monkey King, as depicted in the film Journey to the West 2: The Demons Strike Back
Nearly one year later (2020), the constricting headband for Hong Kong came in the form of the national security law Beijing directly imposed on the city, just hours before July 1, the 23rd anniversary of Hong Kong’s return to Chinese rule.
kt's small correction to George Yeo's writeup
T'was Kuan Yin (Goddess of Mercy) and NOT Buddha who provided Tang Sanzang (Sam Cheong) with the headband to restrain and discipline Sun Wukong (Monkey)
All sides have agreed that the introduction of the law marks a turning point for Hong Kong as it is nearly halfway through the 50-year contract that allows the city to maintain its capitalist way of life under the “one country, two systems” formula.
For the pro-democracy people in Hong Kong and their supporters in Western countries, the city has taken a turn for the worse and the promulgation of the law means the advent of one country, one system.
For the pro-democracy people in Hong Kong and their supporters in Western countries, the city has taken a turn for the worse and the promulgation of the law means the advent of one country, one system.
Eff, now how are we going to have our weekend arson, looting and vandalism?
For others in Hong Kong and officials in Beijing, the introduction of the law is a turn for the better, resulting in smoother implementation of the one country, two systems concept and freeing the city from political chaos and violent protests, which they believe have stunted its development and made it a base for Western countries to subvert the central government on the mainland.
Chew said China had every reason to introduce laws against secession, subversion and terrorism.
"The US and western countries have similar laws, so let's not be hypocritical.
"It's shameful that Santiago has joined the others to put his name there and put Malaysia in an awkward position because we have excellent ties with China.
"The DAP leadership should demand Santiago to retract his name," he said, pointing out that Cheras MP Tan Kok Wai was the previous special envoy to China.
Chew asked what was the stand of Tan on the position of Santiago and come out openly.
He said such laws were badly needed in Hong Kong to restore peace and stability for a conducive business environment.
Chew said it was simplistic of anti-China people to say democracy would be threatened in Hong Kong.
"I like to ask when Hong Kong was under the British from 1841 to 1997 (except during Japanese rule), did the British introduce direct elections?
"The British then occupied all the top civil service and the police force under the British was hugely corrupt," he said.
He said such laws were badly needed in Hong Kong to restore peace and stability for a conducive business environment.
Chew said it was simplistic of anti-China people to say democracy would be threatened in Hong Kong.
"I like to ask when Hong Kong was under the British from 1841 to 1997 (except during Japanese rule), did the British introduce direct elections?
"The British then occupied all the top civil service and the police force under the British was hugely corrupt," he said.
I believe I have said almost all that Chew Kok Woh is saying in above.
Former HK governor Chris Patten would and of course should be the LAST person to speak up for Hong Kong protesters as he has been the man who misled such protesters into believing they could strive for independence and freedom from China, a disingenuous move Patten initiated while as the last British Governor General of Hong Kong (presumably on orders from London to somehow dissuade Hongkies from fleeing HK to Britain, or Londoners would be eating char siew fun instead of maintaining their love affair with Indian curry and prata, wakakaka).
Likewise, another anti-China campaigner, Ted Cruz is a Republic senator who belongs to the Donald Trump camp of right wing politicians who had been accused former President Obama of terrorism against the USA, in short also a virulent anti-China American politician.
Likewise, another anti-China campaigner, Ted Cruz is a Republic senator who belongs to the Donald Trump camp of right wing politicians who had been accused former President Obama of terrorism against the USA, in short also a virulent anti-China American politician.
Chris Patten of course is a hypocrite and disinformation master who while as HK's GG had worked to ensure 7 million gullible and 'willing captive' Hongkies did not seek their citizens' right to flee to and live in Britain prior to July 1997, whilst Ted Cruz is as anti-China as Trump is. These are hardly the sort of people to be associated with, and I wonder whether Charles Santiago knew what he was doing when he signed up for the anti-China memorandum.
I don't care what the DAP foreign policy is, particularly with respect to China, but with KHAT-aSS as its putative leader I especially don't want to know. But if anyone insists on knowing, then ask Atuk as he writes all the DAP policies for the Rocket Party, eg. Education, Finance, Human and Civil Rights, Environment, etc, wakakaka.
As I wrote in October last year:
HK protesters trying to humiliate and bring down its own government
Has Hong Kong and its residents throughout the centuries ever experienced 'democracy' under its various rulers, Chinese dynasties up to the Qing (Manchu), 156 years of British Colonialism and now the People's Republic of China?
shameless HK protesters waving US flags
America should 'adopt' these 'patriotic' pseudo-Americans & take them home to the USA
Yet the protesters now brazenly wants among its non-negotiable 'five demands', the practice of 'universal suffrage', even though its people can already vote in local elections though admittedly the candidates have to be approved by a committee whose majority of its members have political/economical links to the Communist Party of China.
The protesters seem to be suffering from the wet dream of becoming totally independent (from China) nation like a bustling Singapore.
They forget Hong Kong has a different history and politics. The British in a sneaky sinister scheme had the last Pommie Governor of HK Chris Patten encouraging and giving impression to the HK guppies into believing they could enjoy democracy on their own if they struggled for it (not mentioned was they need NOT run away to Mother England who didn't and still doesn't want them, unlike white sheep farmers from Falklands etc).
The protesters seem to be suffering from the wet dream of becoming totally independent (from China) nation like a bustling Singapore.
They forget Hong Kong has a different history and politics. The British in a sneaky sinister scheme had the last Pommie Governor of HK Chris Patten encouraging and giving impression to the HK guppies into believing they could enjoy democracy on their own if they struggled for it (not mentioned was they need NOT run away to Mother England who didn't and still doesn't want them, unlike white sheep farmers from Falklands etc).
Baron Patten of Barnes, CH, PC
Thus Mother England washed her 'Pontius Pilate' hands off her 7 million 'former' citizens but ones with slanted eyes and yellow skins, thanks to Chris Patten's brilliant deception. His grateful country made him a baron, hallelujah. Mangy old lion as she might have been, no one deceived as well as England had.
Even Singapore PM Lee Hsien Loong remarked of the current HK protests, that "Hong Kong protesters demanding universal suffrage and an amnesty for those charged with rioting are trying to humiliate and bring down the Chinese-ruled city’s government."
“The demonstrators say they have five major demands and not one can be compromised but those are not demands which are meant to be a program to solve Hong Kong’s problems. Those are demands which are intended to humiliate and bring down the government.”
“There is no simple solution ... to say we want universal suffrage, but Hong Kong is not a country, it is a special administrative region.”
“When Hong Kong is troubled, when there are demonstrations or worse riots, when the chief executive is booed out of the Legislative Council chamber, I think that is very sad for Hong Kong and bad for the region. We look on with concern.”
Undeniably, there has been 'outside' incitement plus prompting (political, financial and advisory), but the reality is HK cannot survive on its own. All China has to do is to sit tight (as she has been doing though the US and EU have accused her of oppressing HK) and let the protesters destroy themselves and, unfortunately, the rest of the Hong Kong population with them, but to be truthful, such trivialities of 7 million suffering people in HK would in all likelihood be of little consequence to Beijing who looks at a far bigger picture.
The US Congress has passed an extra curricular intrusive Bill which would mandate an annual review on Hong Kong as to whether the Island has sufficient autonomy from the rest of China to justify its special trading status.
Isn't that just gross interference in another country's affairs?
“The demonstrators say they have five major demands and not one can be compromised but those are not demands which are meant to be a program to solve Hong Kong’s problems. Those are demands which are intended to humiliate and bring down the government.”
“There is no simple solution ... to say we want universal suffrage, but Hong Kong is not a country, it is a special administrative region.”
“When Hong Kong is troubled, when there are demonstrations or worse riots, when the chief executive is booed out of the Legislative Council chamber, I think that is very sad for Hong Kong and bad for the region. We look on with concern.”
Undeniably, there has been 'outside' incitement plus prompting (political, financial and advisory), but the reality is HK cannot survive on its own. All China has to do is to sit tight (as she has been doing though the US and EU have accused her of oppressing HK) and let the protesters destroy themselves and, unfortunately, the rest of the Hong Kong population with them, but to be truthful, such trivialities of 7 million suffering people in HK would in all likelihood be of little consequence to Beijing who looks at a far bigger picture.
The US Congress has passed an extra curricular intrusive Bill which would mandate an annual review on Hong Kong as to whether the Island has sufficient autonomy from the rest of China to justify its special trading status.
Isn't that just gross interference in another country's affairs?
some are well meaning but most are looking after US interests, not idiotic Hongkies'
But it's in the interests of the USA to have other nations, especially those it sees as potential major threats (eg. China, Russia, anyone who is a major competitor, even EU, Japan, and one day India, etc) in states of weakened disharmony rather than as a powerful cohesive monolith. That's the Wild West Frontier mentality of the White Americans, to eff up Geronimo and Crazy Eff-ing Horse.
Bizarrely, just like US imposed sanctions around the world, the actual-effective implementation of the Bill, should it ever come to that, (though no doubt to the delight of young moronic HK protesters) will hurt the Hong Kong people more than China, as previous US sanctions had hurt-killed Iraqi babies and children far far more than Saddam Hussein's regime.
But the Yanks don't care and the idiotic HK brats don't know.
Related:
(1) Hong Kong national security legislation justified in every aspect
(2) Hong Kong and hypocrisy of the West
But the Yanks don't care and the idiotic HK brats don't know.
Related:
(1) Hong Kong national security legislation justified in every aspect
(2) Hong Kong and hypocrisy of the West
colonised by britain no democracy, invaded by japs also no democracy, now usurped ny ccp still no democracy, very pity this hker, never one day not live under a tyranny govt.
ReplyDeleteusurped by ccp??? wakakaka
DeleteCCP fanboy excreting pro Beijing BS.
DeleteThis 犬养mfer, not only feed on fabricated demoNcratic farts, itself also manufacturing twisted his-story to syiok it's own ego!
DeleteJust let it echos its katak cloakings under that fart filled well to the amusement of those who know the truth.
alas, to you, FACTS are unpalatable truths - show me where democracy had EVER existed in HK
Deletehow an illegitimate govt that saized entire china n other territory using gun recognized by western countries where chinese have no say at all is not usurp?
Delete"illegitimate govt"
DeleteWow!!!
Chinese have no say.
Wowx2!!!
An echo of the katak-ised chants leaking out from that fart filled well.
Definitely a demoNcratized usurp of the f*cked magnitude.
yes, illegitimate, chairman mao rule by gun, chairman xi rule by law, chairman moo rule by hiding behind boss. thats how communist work.
DeleteEchoes from the fart filled well with demoNcratic katak cloaking irrelevantly via fabricating lies!
DeleteWant to dredge up what the USA did in the Wild West 150 years ago.
ReplyDeleteWhat about Wild West Frontier mentality of the CCP, to eff up Uyghurs, happening TODAY ?
Silence, Deaf, Blind , Dumb from CCP fanboy.
From Wiki: ... the ruling regime of China at that time, the Kuomintang, grouped all Muslims, including the Turkic-speaking people of Xinjiang, into the "Hui nationality".[81][82] The Qing dynasty and the Kuomintang generally referred to the sedentary oasis-dwelling Turkic Muslims of Xinjiang as "turban-headed Hui" to differentiate them from other predominantly Muslim ethnicities in China.[58][83][note 4] In the 1930s, foreigners travelers in Xinjiang such as George W. Hunter, Peter Fleming, Ella Maillart and Sven Hedin, referred to the Turkic Muslims of the region as "Turki" in their books. Use of the term Uyghur was unknown in Xinjiang until 1934. The area governor, Sheng Shicai, came to power, adopting the Soviet ethnographic classification instead of the Kuomintang's and became the first to promulgate the official use of the term "Uyghur" to describe the Turkic Muslims of Xinjiang.[58][76][85] "Uyghur" replaced "rag-head"
Deletealways part of China and t'was only in 1934 they had a ethnic identity of Uyghur in China's Sinkiang province (today's Xinjiang)
Bullyland's sinister effort to assimilate and thin-out Uighur, Kazhak minority population, like they did with Tibet, Mongolia, Manchuria.....
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'If the others go I'll go': Inside China's scheme to transfer Uighurs into work
By John Sudworth
BBC News, Beijing
4 days ago
China's policy of transferring hundreds of thousands of Uighurs and other ethnic minorities in Xinjiang to new jobs often far from home is leading to a thinning out of their populations, according to a high-level Chinese study seen by the BBC.
The government denies that it is attempting to alter the demographics of its far-western region and says the job transfers are designed to raise incomes and alleviate chronic rural unemployment and poverty.
But our evidence suggests that - alongside the re-education camps built across Xinjiang in recent years - the policy involves a high risk of coercion and is similarly designed to assimilate minorities by changing their lifestyles and thinking.
The study, which was meant for the eyes of senior officials but accidentally placed online, forms part of a BBC investigation based on propaganda reports, interviews, and visits to factories across China.
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Both the Kuomintang and Ching Dynasty derogatory terms were part of previous China racist attempts to cancel and deny the identities of an entire ethnic people.
DeleteLooks like when it comes to China racism, CCP Fanboy is just another KKK-mentality racist.
The blurred mfer of the c&p fame is the the run AGAIN!
DeleteQuoting BBC - a never-ending China/CCP bashing fabricating yard!
Wakakakakaka…
The old moneyed mfer is topping up with the same grandmother stories concocted by Adrian Zenz - a known paid Eastern Kurdishism dickhead!
So easy to be led by these western propagandas SIMPLY bcoz deep down they r China/CCP haters.
A huge majority of Hong Kong residents peacefully support their right to self-determination.
ReplyDeleteWhy so many foreigners want to interfere loudly denying the aspirations of Hong Kong residents ?
Old moneyed mfer, yr word
Delete"What about Wild West Frontier mentality of the CCP, to eff up Uyghurs, happening TODAY ?"
Who the f*ck r u in interfering loudly & denying the aspirations of the Chinese people?
Playing both sides just to upstage yr hypocrisy of the nth order. Moreover, based yr farts on pure western propagandas & self-fabricated lies!
Stupid 5,000 yo civilization cannot wait even 50. Want to Bully helpless Hongkongers. Never mind. Motherland Brittania offers Hongkongers a chance to taste true democracy....even the Brexiters are supporting immigration from Hongkong....Up Yours Bully....ha ha ha...
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Why Britain's anti-immigration politicians are opening the doors to thousands of Hong Kongers
By Tara John, CNN
February 22, 2021
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.....UK has opened a six-year pathway to British citizenship for holders of British National (Overseas) passports (BN(O)), a special visa category created for Hong Kong nationals before the 1997 transfer of power.
The visa does not account for the most vulnerable Hong Kongers: young pro-democracy protesters, who were born after 1997 and are therefore not eligible. But it is nonetheless remarkable in its scope -- in a city of 7.5 million people, 5.2 million Hong Kongers and their dependents are eligible for it.
it is remarkable because....it has been pioneered by the same British politicians who engineered the UK's break from the European Union, in part, to curb immigration.
It sets a markedly different tone for the Conservative government, and its cheerleaders in the British press, who have spent the past decade pushing anti-immigrant policies......
....last June, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced the visa pathway for millions of Hong Kongers, describing the offer as being "one of the biggest changes in our visa system in history." The same politicians and media houses that warned darkly of an influx of foreigners during the Brexit campaign raised few objections this time around.
Last month, Priti Patel, now the Home Secretary, said she looked forward to welcoming Hong Kongers "to our great country." Yet in 2016, Patel campaigned against what she described as "uncontrolled migration" from the EU, and last year she is reported to have considered plans to send those seeking asylum in the UK to two Atlantic islands more than 4,000 miles away.
Welcoming Hong Kongers has become one of the few issues in British politics that commands bipartisan support, uniting opposition Labour, Green Party and Scottish National Party members with the hawkish, anti-China wing of the Conservative party.
The British government's shift in attitude could echo a change in public opinion -- migration concerns in the UK appear to have softened considerably in recent years. The jury is out as to why public attitudes have shifted, but it has coincided with immigration dropping off the agenda as a political issue in the past few years.
There is also a feeling of colonial "indebtedness" to the people of Hong Kong, says Jonathan Portes, a Professor of Economics and Public Policy at King's College London.
Defending Hong Kong against the creep of authoritarianism has also become a moral issue in the UK, which has hardened its attitude towards China in the past year. The UK has barred Chinese telecoms giant Huawei from playing a part in the country's 5G network, and has been vocal in its criticism of Beijing for human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other minorities in the Xinjiang region.
Perhaps one of the reasons the Hong Kong visa scheme has been so lauded is that its recipients are also being sold to the British public by hardline Brexiteers as a caricatured model minority, say critics.
Hong Kong nationals "wouldn't cost our taxpayers a penny... [they] would bring their own wealth," Conservative peer Daniel Hannan wrote in the right-wing Daily Telegraph newspaper. "And once they arrived, they would generate economic activity for the surrounding region, just as they did in their home city."
The Home Office estimates that up to 153,700 BN(O) holders will arrive in the country this year -- and estimates they could bring £2.9 billion ($4.1 bn) into the economy over five years.
Some of Brexit's biggest backers are championing the scheme, including Home Secretary Priti Patel
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The proof is in the Yorkshire Pudding as the clever Brits would say, ha ha ha .....if Britain did not offer "democracy" why are thousands, soon to be millions of Hongkongers lining up to go there?
ReplyDeleteHow many are emigrating to Bullyland (the mainland one) or Riben before 2047? The numbers speak for themselves.
Yaloh, blurred c&p mfer how come yr pommie Yorkshire pudding tasted so yammy to u when u ignored how the hkies bno holders been treated in their claimed motherland of freedom?
DeleteOr yr c&p is very selective?
5,000 year old civilization cannot wait 50. That is the crux of the problem.
ReplyDeleteIn 2047 Bullyland can do whatever it likes with HK, abandon the city completely or make it the capital of Bullyland, there would be nothing Britain or any other foreign power can say or do about it. But between now and 2047 it is a different story.
DeleteBully leaders don’t keep their word, that’s the other problem. After signing an agreement, tambah sini tolak sama. But what Britain is doing is just keeping its promise to Hongkongers, even if they are second class Bullyland citizens. Rule Brittania...!!!
DeleteKeeping words!
DeleteMfer, that's a tall order permeating from yr demoNcratic aspirations RIGHT from the time when the elite Greeks formulated that system till now as yr Yanks put so many Syrians/Iraqis/Libyans etc etc into their miseries that they could never dream of even when they were under the rules of Saddam Hussein/Bashar al-Assad/Muammar Gaddafi!
U know bully?
Yaloh - as defined in yr own f*cked understanding of whatsoever yrs of civilization!
Someone twitted : "The west doesn't like Muslims, and doesn't like China. But it absolutely loves Chinese Muslims in Xinjiang"
ReplyDeleteWhy the Uighurs and Rohingyas ?
By a Malaysian lawyer, Norman Fernandez :
https://themissingsteps.blogspot.com/2019/12/
"The West doesn't like Muslims"
DeleteYou obviously have never travelled to Britain or United States.
Both countries have millions of Muslims, almost all immigrants or descendants of immigrants, peacefully welcomed into the country.
why then did Britain have BREXIT, even at enormous cost to her economy and political disadvantage?
DeleteImmigration was part of the Brexit issues, but you are obviously ignorant if you try to lump it with Muslim immigration.
DeleteThe main concerns raised were the unfettered right of residence of citizens of other EU nations under EU rules. The high numbers who took advantage of those rules to work in UK were White Eastern European.
Yes , anti-Brexit immigration voters had been objecting to White migrants primarily from Eastern Europe
Wakakakakaka…
Delete"peacefully welcomed into the country."
Why don't u fart about those middle eastern refugees who r swamping Europe?
They r Muslim, fit nicely into the humanistically defined political oppressions so frequently changed by these demoNcratic dickheads of the Abrahamic subcultures!
Or yr admired west have a very different definition wrt immigration?
".... anti-Brexit immigration voters had been objecting to White migrants primarily from Eastern Europe" was one of the original excuse before US bombing in the Middle East which triggered the influx of Muslim refugees into Europe which then became a big factor for the Brexit vote.
DeleteWHY THE UIGHURS AND ROHINGYAS
ReplyDeleteBy Norman Fernandez.
Here’s just a short post.
In China, there are 10 ethnic Muslim Minorities and in descending order they are:-
1. Hui
2. Uighur
3. Kazakh
4. Dongxiang
5. Kyrgyz
6. Salar
7. Tazik
8. Uzbek
9. Bonam
10. Tatar.
Only the Uighurs are a problem. Why? Because they are in truth fighting a separatist war. The Western countries are encouraging a separatist war claiming that the Uighurs are facing religious persecution and the Western countries are fighting hard to see a breakup of China.
The Western countries are hoping that should the Uighurs, get a separate country, all the other ethnic groups( probably with the exception of Hui Muslims) will also start demanding for a separate country.
So if anyone claim that the Uighurs are discriminated and persecuted, ask why the other nine are not discriminated or persecuted. None of the other nine ethnic Muslim groups are engaged in any conflict or war with the Chinese government.
It’s just like the same in Myanmar. There are:-
1. Rohingyas ( Muslims tracing the ancestry to Bangladesh or rightfully referred as Benggali Muslims)
2. Panthays ( Burmese Chinese Muslims)
3. Pishus ( Muslims of Malay ancestry)
5. Zerbadi Muslims ( community descended from marriage between Indian-Muslim males and Burmese females). Incidentally, they are the largest ethnic Muslim group in Myanmar and form half of the total Muslim population.
In Myanmar, only the Rohingya Muslims claim that they are being discriminated and persecuted. Why? Because, only Rohingya Muslims have been fighting for a separate state. First, they wanted their Rakhine region to separate and join Bangladesh and when that failed, the Rohingyas began demanding a separate state. The atrocities of the Rohingyas against the Burmese and Buddhist are well documented. Once again, the Western powers are hard at work, trying to break up Myanmar.
So, if anyone claims that the Rohingyas are being discriminated and persecuted, why the other three are not being discriminated or persecuted.
(normanfernandez)
Trying to educated a bunch of dickheaded katak dwelling underneath a fart filled well?
DeleteDon't! Let them cloak till kingdom comes.
Just do yr piece as an enlightenment to others outside that well.
pathetic logic, so many buddhist y only tibetan? so many han chinese why only taiwanese and hker? so many sea y only south sea?
DeleteLook at it these way to define yr pathetic logic.
DeleteWhat so 'special' about Tibetan, Taiwanese & hker?
South sea?
Mfer, only those that r claimed rightfully with historical proofs that dickheads, like u, want to redefine the timeline!
The reason is right there in your face which you refused to acknowledge. These people crossed the redline by demanding for independence which no sovereign government can allow. Independence and democracy are two different issues.
Deletewrong, no one declare independence, ccp boost one country 2 systems is the way forward, what all this people want is a system that is different with ccp, however should harmonisely exist along with central govt, ccp is one that break promise n revert back to one country one system, ccp is the separatist that dont uphold one county two system, the chinese shd kick ccp out of china. let those that love ccp live in ccpland, the rest live peacefully in china.
DeleteThe security law is not a denial of 2 systems, it's in every country in the world even in US of A to safe guard a country sovereignty, how can Hong Kong being a part of China deny its enactment. Even without its enactment, there are already people demanding for independence and in Taiwan, there are plenty of people who have been declaring or demanding independence since don't know when, there is no denying of the fact.
Deletethere r always people in every part of the world that want independence or secession, sabah sarawak, texas, hawaii, california, western australia, quebec etc etc so what make ccp so special?
Deletehker want to have a say who to become cehk, is the demand too much? is that against basic law? eg if we want a local council election, can both ph n pn refuse saying that there is no such election under bn? they can but is this correct in commonners perspective?
the hker go to the street in protest against ccp delay of universal suffrage, the security law obviously is a preempt action to prevent escalation, so who would believe yr no denying fact where a bunch of 15 yo kids calling for independence would make the pla succumb n give in?
and who is ccp to dictate how the other system work as long as adhere to basic law?
"...... etc etc so what make ccp so special?"
DeleteLook here, CCP is not trying to be special, who said they are special? they are just trying to be the same as other country to enact that security law which every other country, democratic included also have. So why the fuss?
pray tell what the govt i mentioned above did to people that yell for independence? so who is one that making a fuss?
DeleteOkay, lets just be fair, did those people just yell? or were they destroying public properties, disrupting peace and order, even assaulting people having different views from theirs and attacking policemen (even with deadly molotov and bow and arrows) who were trying to maintain law and order!
DeleteAisehman don't be so prejudice, "Silence, Deaf, Blind , Dumb from CCP fanboy" be a bit discerning. Just think, US of A one person one vote and they had Donald Trump, was it a good thing? He messed up the health system and failed in dealing with the Covid-19 pandemic. If you were living there in US, you probably feel unsecured, worrying to death how easily you can be infected by Covid-19, worrying that your shop downtown would be looted in the riot. What good is this human right which only guarantee you freedom of speech and one man one vote but which does not guarantee you a peaceful environment and safety of living, no worrying of the pandemic because you have a government to take care of that.
ReplyDeleteYou are simply speaking from ignorance.
DeleteMy friend from Teluk Intan, 30 years resident in the USA, no intention of ever coming back to live in Bolehland.
Land of opportunity, first for him ,and now his children. Nobody calls him a Pendatang, because everyone is a Pendatang.
USA has an excellent health care system, though rather expensive.
No riots, no looting anywhere near his neighbourhood.
His house out in the suburbs doesn't even have 2nd Floor iron grilles.
He just got vaccinated 2nd dose, by June/July USA will probably have Herd Immunity from Covid-19.
could it be if given choice, most ccp fanboy choose not to live in a peaceful ccpland but one that is turmoil like australia?
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLWxWj_oxaA
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkgefC99l-M
I also received videos from Chinese friends in US, all Chinese shops in downtown were looted, I watched Chinese goldsmith & jewelry shop, sundries shops, etc were looted. His observation is generally, the rioters were less "dare" to loot the white properties because the "reward" came fast and furious. There were plenty of such videos in the nets, only if you care to look for them.
F*cked logic that applies to demoNcratic katak!
Delete98% of the Chinese travelling oversea with free choice choose to return w/o fail!
Wakakakakakaka…
Delete"Land of opportunity, first for him ,and now his children. Nobody calls him a Pendatang, because everyone is a Pendatang."
Yaloh - all pendatang BUT with elite hierarchy top down.
"USA has an excellent health care system, though rather expensive."
Yaloh - tell that to those 500k+ covid death lah.
"No riots, no looting anywhere near his neighbourhood.
His house out in the suburbs doesn't even have 2nd Floor iron grilles."
Judging from that fact that he just got vaccinated 2nd dose. He is a privileged few, living in a nice (currently) neighborhood of a wealthy state.
Soon… very soon their dream will be a turned turtle!
Care to join him to cheer for yr coming farts?
That's highly unlikely ....... wakakakaka
Deleteso which one here live in ccpland?
DeleteSo why these katak r still cloaking in bolihland where everything go against their dreamed idealism?
DeleteOr there r nowhere on earth that that utopia exists that they could squat!
I keep using the word "Ignorant" because all you do is repeat stuff you see in social media.
DeleteEver stop to think why there is such a large and rapidly growing Asian community in the USA ?
Because.....USA has many opportunities for people who.have talent and willing to work hard.
Incidents of hate crime notwithstanding.
Ignorance?
DeleteWhose definition?
Yrs? As defined in that fart filled well?
Oooop… "Ever stop to think why there is such a large and rapidly growing Asian community in the USA ?"
Which Asians?
Currently, Chinese, Indians, and Filipinos are the three largest Asian ethnic groups immigrating to the United States. Asians in the United States are a highly diverse group that is growing fast. Asian immigrants comprise 6% of the United States population and are estimated to rise to 10% by 2050.
BTW, majority of those "Chinese" comprised of Taiwanese, hker, ASEAN Chinese & mainlander.
These the true ignorants that, like u, have been indoctrinated with western falsehood of milk & honey.
US isn't unknown for xenophobic hate crime, especially to the Japanese/Chinese when the external competitions got tough!
& history will repeat itself such that Jap concentration camps &/or
The Chinese Exclusion Act WOULD reappear.
Only then u fart yr heart out!
communist always wanted to confuse when debate on factual issue. 6% of total immigrants is born in china since 1960, usa always exclude taiwan from data on anything china, they might exclude hk as well until very recently. i believe usa can only collect data base on country not race, only a racist in msia n ccp non stop talking race, so yr asean chinese is a load of crap.
DeleteWakakakakakaka…
Delete"usa always exclude taiwan from data on anything china, they might exclude hk as well until very recently."
Where did u get yr data?
"6% of total immigrants is born in china since 1960¡"
台毒水炮！Or yr own fabrication!
犬养mfer, if u care to check the US immigration official site u would know that u r farting right infront of yr own face!
The site always counting immigrants from Asia as Asians. There r very little or none distinctions about these Asian category until cross-checking with sources! Then India comes top with pinoy as second. Chinese? All yellowfaced with black hair r counting as one!
Part of the reason US only collecting imigration data based on COLOUR, especially those from Asia, is bcoz of inherited xenophobic policies of yellow peril! Moreover, all Asians r treated with suspicions in declarations of their country origin bcoz Asia is one of the top illegal immigration source besides Latin & eastern Europe!
Remember yr own fart about pandai in turning black into white?
U r better than yr Formosa teachers. U manufacture yr own farts & spread them unashamedly!
notes from Largest U.S. Immigrant Groups over Time, 1960-Present
Delete2) The figure for China includes Hong Kong in 2019 but not for earlier years. Click on the “Get the Data” button below to view the number of immigrants from Hong Kong and Taiwan in 2019 and earlier years.
Don't just fart with yr sekective takes!
DeleteWhose data?
Largest U.S. Immigrant Groups over Time, 1960-Present!
Wakakakakakaka…
Official ke?
Or just those 台毒水炮 background financial supporter!
BTW, didn't u fart about
"6% of total immigrants is born in china since 1960, usa always exclude taiwan from data on anything china, they might exclude hk as well until very recently."
Now this
"The figure for China includes Hong Kong in 2019 but not for earlier years"
!!!
Earlier years bcoz then HK was a pommie colony!
& Taiwan has always been officially part of China after Nixon's declaration. So all Taiwanese immigrants were considered Chinese immigration data.
If u want to play black & white distortion. Mfer, do make very sure yr original black is the true black. Not the white that has been blacken by u!
look at the excel sheet, china 2.2 mil, hk 230k, twn 371k. ptui.
DeleteBack to that ultimate question - which source?
DeletePtui…… u might as well make yrvown excel pop!
Talking about ignorant, I think we should be more discerning nowadays. The days that cruel evil backward communist China was already over. China has progress so fast and so far ahead that US and the west is so frightened that they ganged up together to badmouth and slander China. Just like those believed the lies of the western media and jumped with joy when the incident of China rejecting Australian coal coincide with the southern state potentially facing shortage of electricity power just when the winter is coming and more power is needed to heat up the homes. Rumour quickly spread that serve China right for refusing Australian coal. The the truth turn out to be the joke is on USA, Texas :
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccrGUw1Iau0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dt1ze_XaNk
Rich and Red types LUUV Ozzland....
DeleteLUV USA too, but now they are now not really welcome,.
U r ONLY partly right.
DeleteRich, ex-red，absconded & unextraditable that these demoNcracies luuv do much.
Load of monies, unquestionable cooperations in running down CCP/China/Chinese.
BULLY-MOCK-RACY coming to Hong Kong now...ha ha ha....
ReplyDeleteHongkies lining up to welcoming Motherland Britain.....
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Carrie Lam praises China’s plan to install ‘patriots’ in parliament
8 Mar 2021
Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor has welcomed the drastic shake-up of Hong Kong’s electoral system proposed by Beijing, where only those deemed ‘patriotic’ will be allowed contest in elections.
HONG Kong’s leader today praised China’s plan to ensure only “patriots” remain in politics, denying the move was a purge of the opposition.
Chief Executive Carrie Lam ruled out any need to consult the public on the changes, as they were decreed by Beijing.
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Wakakakakaka… what a confused fart!
DeleteToo high on yr pommie Yorkshire puddings of the questionable kind?