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But let's leave the NEP aside for another day. In this post I just want to comment on an oft-repeated MYTH about Chinese not wanting to join the Malaysian Civil Services or Police Force or Armed Forces. And mind you, I am not referring to appointments for ranking commissioned officers in the 3 services but positions for ordinary admin clerk, our village mata-mata and non-commissioned soldiers.
This long tall tale of Chinese avoiding the civil and armed services because of poor pay (in the non-officer sections) is the BIGGEST myth or bullshit in Malaysia, perpetuated for obvious reasons.
Another long tall tale would be that the Chinese are not patriotic enough to join the military, as claimed by Ahmad Zahid when he was Defence Minister and asked in parliament on why there were too few non-Malays in his defence force.
When our policemen were killed by Filipino bandits in Sabah, Pak Kadir Jasin, an UMNO uber mediaman alluded in his quite erudite old world style of polite English but rather slyly (and not subtly) that the Chinese should join the police force, saying:
As has always been the case, when we send our policemen and soldiers into battle and are killed or injured, the chances are they are Melayus and Bumiputeras.
Perhaps there is wisdom in getting more Chinese and Indians to join the armed forces so that they too can die for one Malaysia.
That was in 2013. Sadly, it seems Pak Kadir had forgotten my reply to his article published by the Centre for Policy Initiatives (CPI) titled I wish to remain a M’sian – KTemoc replies Kadir Jasin just 3 years previously, in March 2010.
Then I mentioned about non-Malays, specifically my uncles and their Chinese and Indian friends, serving in the Malaysian Armed Forces fighting against the communist insurgents during the Emergency.
Then I mentioned about non-Malays, specifically my uncles and their Chinese and Indian friends, serving in the Malaysian Armed Forces fighting against the communist insurgents during the Emergency.
Nonetheless I posted another article titled Chinese policemen to show (a) firstly, Pak Kadir Jasin that he was so very wrong in his sly insult to Chinese on their purported 'reluctance' to join the Malaysian police and military to serve the nation, and (b) secondly, the blatant but perennial lie of this ethnic-driven myth.
In that post I listed several Chinese policemen who gave their lives in the course of their service to our nation. Please read my post to know how many Seri Pahlawan Gagah Perkasa (SP), the nation's highest award for valour, and Pingat Gagah Berani (PGB) were bestowed by the Agong to Chinese service personnel.
In that post I listed several Chinese policemen who gave their lives in the course of their service to our nation. Please read my post to know how many Seri Pahlawan Gagah Perkasa (SP), the nation's highest award for valour, and Pingat Gagah Berani (PGB) were bestowed by the Agong to Chinese service personnel.
I also modified my blog post into a letter to Malaysiakini for wider readership because it's damn bloody important to debunk the naughty but cheap racial and untrue insinuations.
On the Civil Service, as mentioned above, there has been a deliberate contrived myth, yes a MYTH, that the Chinese shun the Civil Service because they prefer the lucrativeness of private business rather than the staid salary of the public service, and that the Civil Service is an alien concept of employment to Chinese culture.
On the Civil Service, as mentioned above, there has been a deliberate contrived myth, yes a MYTH, that the Chinese shun the Civil Service because they prefer the lucrativeness of private business rather than the staid salary of the public service, and that the Civil Service is an alien concept of employment to Chinese culture.
The latter, the Civil Service being an alien concept to Chinese culture, is 101% pure grade bullshit because the Chinese have in their several thousands of years of civilisation enjoyed (or suffered) from the Chinese Civil Service. In fact the Chinese invented the Civil Service.
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This is what Wikipedia has to say:
The origin of the modern meritocratic civil service can be traced back to Imperial examinations founded in Imperial China. The Imperial exam based on merit was designed to select the best administrative officials for the state's bureaucracy. This system had a huge influence on both society and culture in Imperial China and was directly responsible for the creation of a class of scholar-bureacrats irrespective of their family pedigree.
Note the mention of 'meritocratic civil service' and the selection of 'the best administrative officials for the state's bureaucracy'!
Emperor Wu of Han started an early form of the imperial examinations, transitioning from inheritance and patronage to merit, in which local officials would select candidates to take part in an examination of the Confucian classics. The system reached its apogee during the Song dynasty.
The Chinese civil-service system gave the Chinese empire stability for more than 2,000 years and provided one of the major outlets for social mobility in Chinese society.
The Chinese civil-service system gave the Chinese empire stability for more than 2,000 years and provided one of the major outlets for social mobility in Chinese society.
The modern examination system for selecting civil service staff also indirectly evolved from the imperial one. This system was admired and then borrowed by European countries from the 16th century onward, and is now the model for most countries around the world.
So the myth about Chinese viewing the Civil Service as alien to their culture or career path is what it is, a myth that has been repetitively used by some people to explain why there are too few Chinese Malaysians in the Malaysian Civil Service, when of course the real reason is they were obstructed from joining or just not welcomed.
Condemned for not joining - Constrained from joining!
If we were to look at our historical records of the 50, 60 and 70's we will find many Chinese in the Civil Service, police and military. My own family has several members in the police force and armed forces (army and air force). One of my granduncles, who was in the SB, was assassinated by communist terrorists during the Emergency. Two of my uncle's close (Chinese) friends were also killed by the CTs.
But due to the political poisoning of Malay minds for several decades, Chinese Malaysians are still viewed by quite a few Malays with suspicion today.
In the old days, the Malays saw them as potential or closeted communists - one day my uncle who was in the military was off duty (in civilian clothing) and in a bus in Alor Setar when he was accused by a very loud old Malay man of being a Chinese communist, wakakaka. The orang tua was playing 'hero' to the bus passengers who except for my uncle, his Indian aneh and the equally old bus driver, were all Malays.
Today they are Chinese chauvinist pigs - alas, Chinese Christians are still too few to be considered as representative of the Chinese community, so Chinese chauvinist pigs will have to do for the time being, wakakaka.
Chinese are variously anti-monarch (thus biadap to Malay royalty) or pro-monarch (accused of supporting the Johor Crown Prince against Najib) or neutral-towards-monarch (tidakapathy towards Malay culture). They just f* can't win, wakakaka.
If we were to look at our historical records of the 50, 60 and 70's we will find many Chinese in the Civil Service, police and military. My own family has several members in the police force and armed forces (army and air force). One of my granduncles, who was in the SB, was assassinated by communist terrorists during the Emergency. Two of my uncle's close (Chinese) friends were also killed by the CTs.
But due to the political poisoning of Malay minds for several decades, Chinese Malaysians are still viewed by quite a few Malays with suspicion today.
In the old days, the Malays saw them as potential or closeted communists - one day my uncle who was in the military was off duty (in civilian clothing) and in a bus in Alor Setar when he was accused by a very loud old Malay man of being a Chinese communist, wakakaka. The orang tua was playing 'hero' to the bus passengers who except for my uncle, his Indian aneh and the equally old bus driver, were all Malays.
Today they are Chinese chauvinist pigs - alas, Chinese Christians are still too few to be considered as representative of the Chinese community, so Chinese chauvinist pigs will have to do for the time being, wakakaka.
Chinese are variously anti-monarch (thus biadap to Malay royalty) or pro-monarch (accused of supporting the Johor Crown Prince against Najib) or neutral-towards-monarch (tidakapathy towards Malay culture). They just f* can't win, wakakaka.
if meritocracy is the policy instead of kulitfication, more Chinese and Indians will surely join, period !
ReplyDeleteDo you know why the blacks civil right movement has won?
Deletevietnam war. More Blacks drafted.
See the pictures.
the US draft system seemed to round up blacks nicely while as an example, the most bellicose US Vice president, Dick Cheney who had been extremely warlike in the Bush Administrations but had enjoyed 5 (not 1 but 5) deferments from the draft during the Vietnam War, which has been why he's described as a chickenhawk, to wit, a chicken at heart but a bloody bellicose hawk when it's not his own skin but those of other people's sons - Malaysian would sneer at him as a cakap ta'serupa bikin warrior. Wikipedia tells us that in 1989, The Washington Post writer George C. Wilson interviewed Cheney as the next Secretary of Defense; when asked about his 5 Vietnam War draft deferments, Cheney reportedly said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service". Yeah right, so did hundreds of thousands of black Americans!
DeleteNo constructive suggestions on how to get the Chinese to join the Police, Armed Forces and Civil Services at all levels!
ReplyDeleteThis is your first time knowing who pukimak chao cibai kaytee is........
DeleteBest way is to learn from the catholics in Ireland in their fight against Great Britain
I'm sure ktemoc could write a nice proposal but i don't think his personal blog would be the right platform to do so. Wouldn't you think so?
Deleteopen up the recruitments to Chinese and they'll flock in - better than to sell pirated DVDs
DeleteFuck La. If It is personal, do it behind close door. Dont Waste www space
DeleteThe civil service is one of the areas that are sliding towards NPZ status (no-pendatangs-zone). The type of mentality that was shown blatantly in the case of Low Siew Moi, Acting GM of PKNS.
ReplyDeleteworse, with a Pakatan state government
DeleteLow Siew Moi was appointed by Selangor Chief Minister Khalid Ibrahim sometime in Oct 2008.
DeletePKNS staff was among the parties that objected.
"Six staff bodies of state agency Selangor Development Corporation (PKNS)
have objected to the appointment of a senior official as acting general
manager on grounds that she is Chinese..."
see archives of the news of this issue at:
http://www.tindakmalaysia.com/archive/index.php/t-210.html
http://www.thestar.com.my/story/?file=%2f2008%2f10%2f27%2fnation%2f20081027173322&sec=nation
and what then did Khalid Ibrahim do?
DeleteYour point being...?
Deletewhat did Khalid do when PKNS staff objected to Low Siew Moi as acting GM? it's a straight enough question where the responsibility and blame for a political decision was with the MB and not the staff
DeleteYou have to take into account the appointment of a non generated a controversy which is a result of attitudes nurtured by the policies of the long line of leaders/politicians prior to that.
ReplyDeleteYou also have to understand this is Malaysia, so what happened after the controversy sometimes have to take a course that would not be ideal as you have wished.
Ask yourself, if UMNO was ruling Selangor in 2008, would she be even appointed at all?
I only know one thing. Kaytee is a persona non grata in malaysia by violating first tenet of rukun negara.
DeleteTell me why he can't come back to Malaysia
i fully agree that the chinese are comdemned and constrained from joining the civil service.
ReplyDeletemy friend from the "chinese school" told me that they were "brainwashed from entering the civil service".they were "scared stiff" to even contemplate joining the civil service.
how do we changed this mindset?
VOTE FOR PAKATAN RAKYAT.
I have to give it to azmin ali. Hahahaha! Of course, though I don't give a damn about that sultan selangor (coming of the fact that me through my mum side very close to sultan idris of perak folks)
DeleteHe is far better than khalid ibrahim
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/302815
Pukimak kaytee,
Isn't this biadap to Hadi awang? Fuck you if you say that we non must kowtow to hadi Awang........You go fuck yourself la, cibai
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/bahasa/article/ayah-sokong-parti-baharu-jika-masih-hidup-kata-anak-fadzil-noor#sthash.UTBoxhPR.dpbs
Melayu biadap against biadap can......Cina must keep quite.....This is what kaytee is preaching
DeleteSee! Why I say, if I have a gun, I will shoot kaytee's arse
http://greenboc.blogspot.com/2015/06/bukankah-haji-hadi-pernah-barua-tolol.html
Fuck Fuck kaytee
Let’s talk myths – part1!
ReplyDeleteBefore that, don’t jumping the gun & accusing me of laying toxic in yr blog while avoiding the original blogger. This is PURELY cross referencing with yr title talk, in line with OPEN discussion as spelled out in yr blog mission – wakakakakaka…sigh…More parts will be coming, stay tune.
1st this;
http://www.malaysia-today.net/mcs-the-malay-crutch-syndrome/
The targeted NEP Bumiputera ownership – 19% ke or more since the launching of the NEP in 1970?
Is that mamak era’s administration caused the stagnation of the NEP target increment? Or r all the mismanagement of that Mamak caused the outflows of funds to selected countries by the chosen elites in using this econ-equity game, to con the ketuanan kaki & the blur-sotongs?
During that period, the econ-equity went up then came down hard during the 97 crisis! r those melayu business ‘titans’ propped paper gimmicked businessmen or what?
How come others could still survival facing the same financial on slaughter & yet many still stand. Were that mamak played preference beside his children’s business?
50+ yrs of MCS: the Malay Crutch Syndrome, comes to that result – what takes?
& How to change these melayu’s mindset?? & how to reconcile this take of yr sifu’s;
‘The Malays are not being given crutches. They are being given an opportunity to receive a proper and better education so that they can arm themselves with the right tools to succeed in life.’
Could the wrong sector of the intended melayu r been propped while the majority r been kept in the same socio-econ conditions to perpetuate the continuation of the NEP? (more on this in 2nd part).
Then this twisted myth;
‘About 100 years after 1850, the date when the Chinese first started coming to Malaya in huge numbers, around 30% of the British economy depended on Malaya. Yes, that’s right, 30% of Britain’s economy depended on Malaya around the end of WWII.’
Let’s just say this – the diamond is precious BUT it’s buried deep in the ground. So HOW to bring up the diamond’s value if it’s not been extracted from the ground. And the extraction can ONLY be done by the visionary –
So who ‘came to Malaya to make the country rich.’ while that others just stay ‘me-layu’ to enjoy kais pagi makan pagi, kais petang makan petang, never mind they were NEVER living in rich settings given by the land.
WHO to blame??? Let us get that one point clear. - Enuff said!!!!
BTW, just a side note – why so many articles from yr sifu attacking the Chinese M’sian, while also smeared that ‘good’ legacy of that mamak????
Can ask yr sifu or not, since u have BIG cable connecting him….wakakakakakaka…..sigh…
go on and ask him yourself - don't be shy, he can be very nice
DeleteChinese M’sian myths part2;
ReplyDeleteAnother cross-referencing (sorry for this reminder!) bcoz it’s an easy start for a long story….wakakakaka…sigh..
http://www.malaysia-today.net/do-you-think-the-malays-care-about-the-nep/
Remember about in the 1st part where I mentioned about the wrong section of the melayu is been propped-up as champion bangsa (jagung kampong- more like it). This above link provides enough insight to that ill.
‘Imagine our surprise when the survey revealed that 90% of the Malay kids stated that they did not wish to be in school and if given a choice that they would rather be somewhere else rather than in the classroom.
The problem is, and I discovered this later when I became the PTA chairman of two schools in Kuala Terengganu (one primary and one secondary), was that the teachers did not care. To many of them their job was just a means of earning money until something better comes along.
And to many, this something better meant a political career. And that is why at that time 70% of the Umno activists, branch heads, committee members, etc., were from the teaching profession (until Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad turned Umno into a party for businessmen and capitalists and the 70% teachers got replaced by 70% businessmen)’
So, it has been all this while a selfish incestuous exploitation in plays among the chosen few!
A recent study “The colour of inequality” ;
‘Median financial asset for Bumi is RM1. More than 55% of Bumiputeras do not have ASB account. Average ASB investment in 2013 was RM15,402. But 72% have an average of RM554 or equivalent to 2.6% of entire fund size. The top 0.2% has 1.5 times more than the entire bottom 80% combined.
The fear is this gap will continue to widen. The same happens with Amanah Saham Didik, which is open to Bumiputeras only. Based on its 2014 annual report 2014, the average investment is about RM14,500, but the bottom 86% has an average investment of RM980, while the top 0.5%, or about 1,700 kids, have an average RM 1.5 million.’
So, who sapu all the NEP’s money – u tell me lah!
Economy, tak bolih! Education pun tak bolih! Under this group of hp6 any wonder the country is going down the cesspool?
For those few elites, qualified under that top 1%, who can talk-cock now – DO remember where the seed money of NEP comes from.
Since during that time the melayus were so economically depressed & GLCs were non-existence, it COULD be safely said that majority of that NEP seed money came from the Nons.
‘The non-Malays make a big deal of the NEP as if the Malays depend on it and would die without it. Some Malays, as well, make a big deal of the NEP as if the Malays would be wiped out from the face of this earth without it.’
Indeed IT IS! Fact – the 97 economic crisis & that subsequent prolonging of the NEP proves that in TOTAL.
Without the dictate of the NEP, those minority elite Malays would have been wiped out from the face of this earth!
The lowest 40% has always been living in hell, thus their ONLY salvation is longing for a better afterlife. They NEVER benefited from the NEP in any way. Thus any wonder ‘The Malays (deprived) on the street could not care two hoots (about NEP) because at the end of the day it is Allah’s will whatever happens.’
Without the NEP the Malays would still be around today, YES. But the dichotomy & distribution of wealth, among these melayus, would be that much fairer & balance. A stronger & more resilient melayu race would also exist to face the new world challenge.
Instead, majority of the ‘well-groomed” elite parasitic melayu (mind u – just 1% of the melayu populace) r crying father-mother if the free-spoons r been removed. & they claimed to determine the future of their race!
Well-done.. NEP!!!
BTW, r the Chinese M’sians the ONLY one complaining about the NEP???? Why solely targeting this group???
In the present day, most Malaysian Chinese are unpatriotic, bordering on disloyal.
ReplyDeleteIn the event of a clash which may involve conflicting interests , e.g. a serious altercation between Malaysia and China, I am very doubtful how far Malaysian Chinese can be trusted.
I suppose it is the same reason why Singapore will not appoint Malays into the Senior levels of its Armed Forces .
CBMF,
DeleteR u meant Chinese M'sian?
Know the differences between M'sian Chinese & Chinese M'sian?
Belajar tak mahu, rempit kuat-kuat, lagi cakap bodoh sombong!
So, NOW u know WHY M'sian Chinese are unpatriotic, bordering on disloyal. They r Chinese citizen, period. Thus their loyalty NATURALLY lies with mainland China.
Whereas, Chinese M'sian is MALAYSIAN through & through - NOBODY should question their loyalty towards MALAYSIA.
U NEED to learn the art of semantic with KT's sifu. Otherwise u will continuously making a fool of yrself.
Get that through yr thick skull & re-read KT's current write-up about Chinese M'sian myths lah.
After that & after yr TRUE puasa reflection (if ONLY there is any, for a moron like u), then ask yr Allah for forgiven, for been involving in fitnah about yr fellow citizen in the face of their relentless sacrifice for bolihland to prop up nincompoop like u!
About a serious altercation between Malaysia and China, NOT in yr widest dream than having IS established its strong hold in M'sia. Only then u can see who's who in patriotism for scavenger.
BTW, since u know so well in playing race card, have u learn anything new in playing religious card - especially sunni vs syiah? That WOULD be the day for ummat Islam in showcasing who's more in Islamic royalty!
Meanwhile, that Reddot has appointed Ishak bin Ismail of the Singapore Armed Forces to be the first Malay to attain the rank of 1-star brigadier-general.
So, no Malays into the Senior levels of Singapore's Armed Forces?
Keep yr ketuanan wet dream under the tempurung lah. Otherwise, u will go NOWHERE outside yr cosy coconut shell!