Wednesday, November 06, 2024

‘Improbably tight race’: Is the US election really so close, or are pollsters hedging their bets?




‘Improbably tight race’: Is the US election really so close, or are pollsters hedging their bets?



A voter drops off ballots at an official ballot drop box on the final day of early voting ahead of Election Day at City Hall on November 4, 2024 in San Francisco, California. — AFP pic

Tuesday, 05 Nov 2024 9:00 PM MYT


WASHINGTON, Nov 5 — The United States stands on edge as polls suggest one of the closest presidential races in history between former president Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris.

Major polling outlets show the candidates virtually deadlocked.


In battleground states on election eve, polling aggregator FiveThirtyEight reported a 47.8 percent tie in Pennsylvania, near-identical numbers in Nevada, and mere one-point differences in Wisconsin, Michigan, and North Carolina.

But these razor-thin margins may not tell the whole story.


“I wonder, is it really this close?” asked W. Joseph Campbell, professor at American University in Washington.


His questions stems from pollsters’ troubled track record in recent elections and a potential overreaction to past failures.

The political establishment was blindsided in 2016 when Trump won despite trailing in polls, while Joe Biden’s 2020 victory margin proved much narrower than predicted.

In 2022, Republicans secured only a slim Congressional majority despite forecasts of a “red wave.”

“The 2020 presidential election was collectively the worst for pollsters in forty years and an embarrassment for many,” Campbell said.

Trump’s emergence on the political scene largely explains these polling mishaps. His supporters were consistently undercounted in 2016 and 2020, prompting polling companies to adjust their methodologies.

‘Traumatic for pollsters’

History offers an intriguing parallel: In 1980, polls showed incumbent Jimmy Carter neck-and-neck with Ronald Reagan. Reagan ultimately won by 10 points, benefiting from a late surge while Carter lost support to a third-party candidate.

“I’m not saying that’s going to be the model in 2024, but it is something to keep in mind,” Campbell added.

Leading polling analysts openly acknowledged these challenges.

“No, you can’t trust the polls... You can’t safely assume that the candidate leading in the polls is going to win,” wrote Nate Cohn, the New York Times chief political analyst and polling director.

Cohn explained that pollsters are working to correct systemic biases that emerged in the Trump era.

“It’s hard to overstate how traumatic the 2016 and 2020 elections were for many pollsters. For some, another underestimate of Trump could be a major threat to their business and their livelihood.”

However, he warned that while adjusting methods to better capture Trump voters, pollsters might now be underestimating Harris.

“On balance, these changes add up to a case for cautious optimism on better accuracy, but there are no guarantees,” Cohn concluded.

Some experts suspect pollsters may be falling victim to groupthink, or “herding”, adjusting results that deviate significantly from the consensus.

Professors Joshua Clinton and John Lapinski warned to NBC news: “State polls are showing not just an astonishingly tight race, but also an improbably tight race.”

They suggest that “a risk-averse pollster who gets a 5-point margin in a race they think is tied may choose to ‘adjust’ the results to something closer to what other polls are showing, lest their outlier poll adversely affects their reputation...”

They said this raised a crucial question: “Is 2024 going to be as close as 2020 because our politics are stable, or do the polls in 2024 only look like the results of 2020 because of the decisions that state pollsters are making?” — AFP

12 comments:

  1. Yes, a hearsay, but a fascinating and notable hearsay...a wayback 2018 drop to whet the appetite. Let's see if it is true.

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    https://x.com/KAGdrogo/status/1854038499563077936?s=19

    👀 This is coming from an advisor to RFK

    https://x.com/jamelholley/status/1854019029536493955?s=19

    Sources tell me Barack & Michelle Obama have just boarded a private jet and are leaving the country!

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    Mar 09, 2018 2:41:10 AM EST Q !UW.yye1fxo

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    When we’re done he’ll claim Kenyan citizenship as a way to escape.
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    1. Another hearsay from the same previous hearsayer poster...

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      https://t.me/professor_patriot_official/28403

      PANIC‼️

      According to NJ Mayor and Advisor to RFK Jr, Jamel Holley, five CEOs of pharmaceutical companies held an emergency teleconference at 1 PM.

      A lawyer has confirmed that everyone is having a MELTDOWN and is in a state of panic!

      They Know RFK JR is coming for them..

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  2. FJ is being summoned in the death of the night now...will it be enough?

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    It’s almost 3am. The dead voters are about to rush the polls on the etheric plane.
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    How is MSNBC reporting that 50k ballots will be dropped in a few minutes in PA?

    https://x.com/justinstillness/status/1854042330417758665?s=46

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  3. https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1854048711547957374?s=19

    Chris Wallace just drained the energy from CNN's studio, announcing Trump may soon have the chance to reshape the U.S. government.

    1. “If Donald Trump is elected president, it means that they can confirm, without any Democratic votes, any appointment he makes to his Cabinet, to the government, to the Supreme Court, should there be a vacancy. It's an enormous advantage to a president.”

    2. “In the House, although that hasn't been decided yet, the Republicans have flipped three Democratic seats. The Democrats haven't flipped a single Republican seat.”

    3. “So there is the possibility here of a complete, united Republican government with Donald Trump as the president and with a Republican House and Senate, which means that in terms of appointments, in terms of immigration policy, economic policy, environmental policy, you name it, he could have a pretty blank check.”

    Wow!

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    1. https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1854016768538202543?s=19

      Holy smokes!

      Kevin O'Leary just said that Nancy Pelosi's and Chuck Schumer's gripping influence on the Democratic party is GONE after this election.

      “The influences of a Schumer or a Pelosi or a movie star or an Obama deciding to anoint somebody—those guys are gone. In four years, they won't have that kind of influence.”

      O'Leary went on to absolutely rip apart the Democratic Party's communist style of governing.

      “I care about policy. And when I hear policies coming out of a party that are so twisted against the American way of life, like basically taxing capital gains that are unrealized—that's not America. Or price controls—that's not America.”

      “It would be good for them to lose tonight. It would reset and reboot and get that party back to the center. It would be good for them. They may not want to hear that,” O'Leary said.

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  4. There were one or two significant events that were held in Cincinati, Ohio, which anon dug up to link to the following historical character,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus

    Let's see what will happen under DJT2.1

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  5. The Ukranian-Russian quagmire to end soon?

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    🔥Nayib Bukele, the President of El Salvador, congratulated the President-Elect of the United States of America, offering his well wishes for the upcoming administration.
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    1. Seems like VZ had congratulated the newly president-elect on his successful election.

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      Volodymyr Zelensky congratulated President Trump on his victory.
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  6. So, far stock markets around the world, apart from China and a few countries, are showing green...

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  7. https://t.me/professor_patriot_official/28364

    https://t.me/bricsnews/3022

    Well that was easy.

    Trump already ending war without lifting a finger.

    Peace through strength.

    https://t.me/bricsnews/3022?single

    JUST IN: Iran-backed Houthis declare ceasefire shortly after Donald Trump victory, ZeroHedge reports.

    "Our operations in international waters were purely defensive, and we announce their final cessation."

    @BRICSNews

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  8. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iran-backed-houthis-reportedly-declare-ceasefire-shortly-after-trump-victory

    Iran-Backed Houthis Reportedly Declare Ceasefire Shortly After Trump Victory
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    by Tyler Durden
    Thursday, Nov 07, 2024 - 02:05 AM

    Former President Trump isn't even back in the White House, but news of his historic victory in the US presidential election has already sent shockwaves through the top leadership of the Iran-backed Houthi rebels. Reports on X indicate that the rebels have declared a ceasefire, halting a year of missile and drone strikes on Western-linked commercial and military vessels across the critical maritime chokepoint in the southern Red Sea.

    According to Defense Arabia on X, Houthi spokesman Yahya Sarea stated, "Our operations in international waters were purely defensive, and we announce their final cessation."

    ...

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  9. Hunch says that those currently supporting the current KH and cohort, including the media faces, will turn mobs that "bay for their blood" when full realization of what had been happening hit them... reminiscene of such a scene from the movie Ghost near the end...

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    Kamala: "While I concede this election, I do not concede the fight that fueled this campaign."
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