Thursday, December 07, 2017

Guan Eng condemns Trump's illegal act

MM Online - Guan Eng: Trump’s Jerusalem move against international law (extracts):

GEORGE TOWN, Dec 7 — Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng condemned today US President Donald Trump’s decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, adding that such a move against international convention may lead to war.

The DAP secretary-general said his Penang state administration and the Pakatan Harapan federal Opposition pact are shocked by Trump’s announcement earlier this morning.

“We feel this is against international laws and this move is condemned by all those who love peace.

“We hope the US will reconsider this shocking decision as it will cause tension and even wars,” Lim said.

He added that the US move will not help fight against terrorism nor bring peace to the conflict-riddled Middle East.

“This will not lead to peace but instead, it will encourage violence,” he said.

Well said, Guan Eng.

Trump has been a loose cannon, maverick and a very silly defiant ignoramus who acts on his prejudices and against international refusal to recognise Israel's occupation of East Jerusalem.

But alas, nothing much can be done about his illegal act as power comes from the barrel of the US' very BIG gun and very deep pockets, well, at least for now.

But the World, especially Europe can ignore Israel's right to have Jerusalem and the US Embassy there for a start.

About 6 months ago I posted Malaysian Evangelistic Christians almost celebrated murder of Jesus in which I discussed the jubilant Israeli celebration on Jerusalem Golden Jubilee.

I stated that it's a 50th anniversary celebration of Jerusalem, which if we count backwards, takes us to 1967 when Israel beat the Arabs in the 6-Day War and captured East Jerusalem from the Jordanians.

victorious Israeli soldiers in East Jerusalem 1967 

The Golden Jubilee of Jerusalem has in fact been the celebration of the Israeli military conquest of East Jerusalem in 1967, allowing the government of Israel to 'unite' East and West Jerusalem into one.

It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ;
It has nothing to do with Christianity;
It has nothing to do with Christian festivals;

It has nothing to do with Judaism;

(which considered Jesus as a heretic Jew)

It has nothing to do with Jews;

(there is a difference between a Jew, a race, and an Israeli, a nationality)

But it has EVERYTHING to do with Israelis, Israel and its 1967 military conquest of East Jerusalem from the Jordanians, and the Israelis' avowed intention to make Jerusalem its national capital and to build the Third Temple to YHWH there.

Even Bishop Jason Selvaraj of Christ Church described some Christian Malaysians' intention to celebrate the Jerusalem Jubilee as utterly insensitive in promoting a Zionist celebration as a guise under a Malaysian Christian celebration.

Then DPM and Home Minister Ahmad Zahid did the correct thing in banning the celebration as it had NOTHING to do with Christianity and EVERYTHING to do with Israeli sinister nationalism which is not of our concern.

I have a good mind to include the Calvary Life Assembly Chinese Church (CLAC) in my series of Malaysian Morons, wakakaka.

Why morons? Because they wanted to celebrate an Israeli nationalist military conquest, which has everything to do with a secular event and ironically a race whose ancestors killed the Christians' Jesus Christ.

Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,

And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him
 - Matthew 26:3-4 (KJV)

Caiaphas was a supreme political operator and one of the most influential men in Jerusalem. He'd already survived 18 years as High Priest of the Temple (most High Priests only lasted 4), and had built a strong alliance with the occupying Roman power.

Caiaphas knew everybody who mattered. He was the de-facto ruler of the worldwide Jewish community at that time, and he planned to keep it that way.

The case against Caiaphas is that he arrested Jesus, tried him in a kangaroo court and convicted him on a religious charge that carried the death penalty.
What were Caiaphas' motives?Jesus threatened Caiaphas's authority. Caiaphas could not afford to allow any upstart preacher to get away with challenging his authority; especially not at Passover time. This was the biggest Jewish festival and scholars estimate that around two and half million Jews would have been in Jerusalem to take part.

Caiaphas did not want to lose face.

He rigged the trial.

Caiaphas took on the usually incompatible roles of chief judge and prosecuting lawyer.

Scholars know the rules that applied to Jewish trials at that period and the trial of Jesus broke many of those rules:

It was at night - Jewish trials had to take place during the day
It took place on a feast day - this was not allowed
It took place in Caiaphas's house - it should have been conducted in the council chamber

The trial went wrong for Caiaphas. He needed to prove that Jesus had threatened to destroy the Temple, which would have been both treason and an offence against God. But the witnesses couldn't agree on what Jesus had said. So that charge failed.

Caiaphas decided to see if he could induce Jesus to utter blasphemy.

He asked Jesus, point blank, "Are you the Son of God, the Son of the Blessed? Are you The Messiah?"

The Gospels vary a little, and only in Mark's account does Jesus answer that he is.

It's enough. Caiaphas announces that Jesus has spoken blasphemy. The rest of the Court agree. Jesus deserves the death sentence.

Just one problem; the court didn't have the power to execute people. And that's where the Romans come into the story.

Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children
- Matthew 27:22-25 (KJV)

the Sanhedrin (the supreme court of ancient Israel, made up of 70 men and the high priest) had presented Jesus as a threat to Rome. If the authority of the priests was undermined, social order could not be guaranteed, and this, if nothing else, demanded Pilate's attention. Only the governor had the power to order the execution the priests were demanding, and the case had to be made to fit.

Yet there was something about this prisoner that clearly troubled Pilate.

The Gospels give the impression that he conducted the trial in a state of high agitation, pacing in and out of the praetorium of his residence in Jerusalem, arguing with the crowd, demanding better evidence, offering compromises.

Whatever its other shortcomings, the Roman Empire generally allowed freedom of speech and worship to its conquered peoples, and Pilate struggled to see what Jesus had done beyond expressing his opinions.

As the priests become insistent, Pilate obfuscates and temporises, waving his arms in frustration, until the crucial exchange takes place. Jesus - according to John - declares that he "came into the world… to bear witness to the truth; and all who are on the side of truth listen to my voice." At which point Pilate asks: "What is truth?"

The answer, on this occasion, appears to be what the mob says it is, and Pilate reluctantly consigns Jesus to his fate, telling the crowd that he is washing his hands of responsibility.
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it 
 - Matthew 27:24 (KJV)

And Malaysian Christians wanted to celebrate with the race who forefathers killed Jesus?

Doesn't that call for a "Jeez" swearing, wakakaka.

When I posted some of above before, many wrote in to chew me for being against Christians but failed to realise they were consorting with the enemies of Jesus, just as today many wrote in to chew me for being against Mahathir but failed to realise they were consorting with a man who gave us (or if they are young, their fathers) 22-years of draconian and very wasteful rule.

BTW, do you know there is a curse on Jerusalem

Jews have been secretly buying up large chunks of property in Jerusalem particularly from Patrirch Irineous of the Jerusalem Greek Orthodox Church, which have infuriated Palestinian Christians and indeed Muslims.

The Israeli local authority has also attempted to evict Palestinians living there for aeons, claiming that the Palestinians were illegal squatters. At the same time the Israeli government has been promoting illegal Jewish settlements around the city.

The aim has been blatantly obvious, to use lots of money (much donated by rich American Jews) to secure Jerusalem totally in Jewish hands one way or another.

Needless to say, the Palestinians are hardly likely to lie on their back and be kicked by Israeli boots. Blood will continue to flow. That unfortunately has been the curse of the city!

Jerusalem changed hands from Canaanites to Jebusites, the original inhabitants and the builder of Jerusalem, not the Israelites.

According to the Bible, Pharaoh Shishak laid siege to the city and was placated only by heavy tributes from the treasures of the Israelite Temple, comprising virtually all the wealth that David and Solomon accrued.

Another such tribute was paid to King Ben-Hadad of Syria to persuade him not to support King Basha of Israel who threatened the Judean capital during the war between the two Israelite kingdoms.

The Assyrians subsequently overwhelmed the city, making the Jewish king Hezekiah his vassal. Then came Nebuchadnezzar the Babylonians king. He wiped out the last of the Davidic kings, and destroyed the Temple. After the Babylonians the more benign Persians (today's Iranian) came along, but permitted the Jews to return and rebuild their state, as a vassal nation.

The curse of the Egyptian Execration Text seems to leave its mark on the city for 4,000 years and the bloodshed will surely continue.

According to The Illustrated Dictionary & Concordance of the Bible, the name Jerusalem, made up of western Semitic (Canaanite) words, yeru and shalem, was first mentioned in the Egyptian Execration (curse) Texts in 19th BCE, four thousand years ago.

Yeru means ‘to establish, raise up’ while Shalem was the name of a Canaanite god. So the holiest city of the Israelis ironically carries the meaning of ‘the raising up of a Canaanite god, Shalem', wakakaka.

Jerusalem first came under Hebraic hands when King David conquered the city, that belonged to the Jebusites, part of the Hittites from which Uriah, the loyal general of King David came from.

In evil pay-back for the loyalty of Uriah, King David bonk-ed Uriah's wife, Bathsheba, while the general was away fighting a war for David. The King subsequently plotted to have Uri sent to the thickest part of an on-going battle, but to leave him there unsupported so he would be slain.

Murder of Uriah 

And it came to pass in the morning, that David wrote a letter to Joab, and sent it by the hand of Uriah.

And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retire ye from him, that he may be smitten, and die
- 2 samuel 11:14-15 (KJV)

Such was the evil of King David, the so-called 'beloved of God'. He was an adulterer, murderer, assassin, traitor to Israel, plagiariser, etc.

The city of Jerusalem has changed hands many times over the last 4,000 years, and continues till today to be a bone of contention between the Palestinians and the Israelis. Trumps' reckless action will further aggravate the conflict.


  1. The Jerusalem Embassy Act 1995 , passed overwhelmingly by the US Congress mandates
    a. The United States considers Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. b. The US Embassy is to be located at the location of the Israel capital Jerusalem.
    Trump is President of the United States and , strictly speaking what he did is not illegal and in fact upholding the 1995 American law.
    He is not answerable to Palestine or Britain or any Malaysian, definitely not Lim Guan Eng.

    The 1995 law did give wiggle room for Presidents to certify a waiver every 6 months. This has been waived every 6 months for the last 22 years - that is a piece of madness by every US President for 22 years to refuse to uphold the law. No wonder the US is in such deep shit.

    1. US foreign policy is the sole prerogative of the US President and the Jerusalem Embassy Act was a Congressional infringement on presidential exclusive powers on foreign issues, thus was unconstitutional and is not law.

      Trump is known to be lawless

  2. West Jerusalem is Israeli territory.
    Countries and people condemning this are intefering in Israel's internal affairs as well as USA's.
    I remember someone here was very sensitive about USA seeming to interfere in Malaysia's affairs.

    1. don't twist words to describe the situation. We're talking about East Jerusalem which Israel illegally annexed in the 1967 war and which is not recognised by the UN nor the world including the USA until idiotic Trump came along

    2. "Israel established West Jerusalem as its capital in 1950." This is quoted from Encyclopedia Britannica, written in Israeli law, and legal under international law, by virtue of Israel's right to exist within its 1967 borders, which include West Jerusalem.

    3. bullshit. West Jerusalem had nothing to do with the 1967 war. It was annexed by Israel after the 1948 war. Again it was an annexation which was not de jure recognised even by the USA and Britain but accepted as a de facto situation.

      stop bullshitting

    4. Ktemoc is obviously an extremist who does not recognise Israel's right to even exist.
      As far as Ktemoc is concerned Israel is a theft with no right to exist.

    5. where is it that I say Israel has no right to exist - no fake news here please - I know you makan dedak Mahathir dan USA dan Israel, wakakaka

  3. "I, as the president of UMNO and the Prime Minister of Malaysia, would like to invite all party leaders, and others who are present in this hall or who are outside, to stand up".

    "We must voice our stand clearly so that the world listens to the voice of the Muslims in Malaysia, that we reject forever and in the harshest terms the suggestion to make Baitul Maqdis (Jerusalem) as the capital of Israel".

    Well said PM Najib, Sir. I am with you absolutely.

  4. Trump is a pariah horndog,born out through the donkey's smelly ass.No wonder this horndog is crazier than those residing in mental institutions.These last few days,he has been wetting his diapers at minutes interval,because the Mueller investigation is getting close to his family,and eventually to him.No wonder he is getting desperate and causing troubles at the international scene.He is hoping to cause distraction by creating demonstrations and riots in the West Bank,even at the costs of lives.

    This horndog have been groping,raping and statutory raping young girls and women.And the sky is punishing him for his sins by having his last two wives cheating on him.His escond wive screwed her bodyguard on the beach and was caught by a cop.His present wive has been bonking the chief of security of a jewelry chain for the last few years.He is not the only one who knows how to cheat in the family.His fucking sex life have come full circle.

  5. This issue of Jerusalem SIMPLY boils down to just religion one upmanship!

    Gullible & naive bolihlanders SHOULD not touch it with ten foot pole.

    Jerusalem's current status belongs to the Israel, pure & simple.

    Its annexation after the 1948 war by Israel though was not de jure recognised even by the USA and Britain but was accepted as a de facto situation.

    It's the prerogative of the victor throughout it's history!

    When the early Jews captured it from the local Canaanites(no necessary Palestinians). It then changed hands between Jews, Babylonian, Jews, Roman, Muslim(mind u, no Palestinian) & finally Jews again.

    The one upmanship appears on that ONE & ONLY controversial spot,

    -when the Jews built their Temple Mount

    -when the Muslim believes that the flying unicorn carried their prophet Muhammad from Mecca to the same spot to preach his Final Sermon and ascent to heaven.

    KT's blind bleeding heart rant, besides his usual vendetta against Zionists, also has a hidden pawn of menuji-pujikan ahjibgor in the eyes of the blur-sotongs!

  6. My sense of the majority of DAP's constituencies is that they're sympathetic towards Israel, as I am.

    Lim Guan Eng is out of touch with most of DAP's base on this issue.

    1. speak for yourself you pro Zionist and anti Palestinian and makan dedak Yankee

    2. I have in the past made money from doing business with Yankees...but it is legal and proper profits, not dedak.. heck LHDN got their cut in taxes from it.

      As for me being a Zionist....

      I remember 1967. Five Arab countries - Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, armed to the teeth by the Soviet Union, ganged up to strangle Israel.

      The Israel of 1967 is essentially indefensible. At the narrowest point, it is eight miles wide, narrower than Province Wellesley in Penang. An Arab tank squadron could drive across it in 30 minutes if thy worked at it...

      They failed.

    3. Most urban non-Malays/ non-Muslims, who form DAP's support base do NOT support the Palestinians....that is a fact.

  7. "Muslims should be training their guns at Saudi Arabia, adding that the kingdom was not only President Donald Trump’s closest ally in the Middle East but has made it possible for the US to announce the decision in the face of international protests". ~ Dr Ahmad Farouk Musa

    Yes, he has got a point. Kita tunggu dan lihat apa tindakan Saudi berhubung dengan kebiadaban Israel dan America ini.

  8. Trump is making a big mistake which will have adverse consequences especially for the people of Palestine and the Middle East in general.

    Thanks for highlighting the ancient political aspects behind much of what is part of religious beliefs and doctrines in the Middle East in the ancient past until today.

    Even from Biblical accounts alone, it became pretty obvious to me that Jesus was executed for political reasons as he was deemed a threat to the position and power of the Jewish high priesthood of the time and he was especially critical of the Pharisees and the practices of the Jewish high priests of the Jerusalem temple, whom he denounced as being seemingly holy outside but filthy inside, "the synagogue of Satan" and so forth.

    There were three Jewish groups at the time - i.e. the Sadducees, the Pharisees and the Essenes, this last group was against the other two and had retreated to religious communities in remote areas such as the desert to practice their somewhat ascetic form of Judaism.

    Some theologians believe that Jesus as well as his cousin John the Baptist were Essenes, though by going out preaching amongst the masses and by his public activism, Jesus was not quite typical of the Essenes, though what can be said is that Jesus could have been influenced by Essene doctrines.

    The various contention between Jews, Christians and Muslims all appear to have political roots.

    Going back to the time of Moses and the Pharaoh of Egypt, one can see the conflict between the "God of Israel" and the "God of the Egyptians" included in the Exodus account.

    These two different tribes or nations were in conflict and they brought their respective gods into their battle.

    The First Commandment itself - "I am the Lord thy God, though shalt have no other gods before me" given to the Israelites has tribal or national connotations - i.e. that the God of Israel forbids Israelites from worshipping the "gods of the other tribes or nations".

    These are age old conflicts in the Middle East which have continued until today, waxing and waning at times throughout, at times accommodating, at times antagonistic, and right now the antagonism is rising.

    It seems rather odd to me that on the one hand, Christianity holds that Jesus was the Son of God, sent to Earth toe be born as a perfect, sinless man to be sacrificed in order to be able to atone for the sins of all mankind, including the sin of Adam; and on the other hand, some Christians condemn the Jews for Jesus's execution on the cross and this has become the basis of much of the anti-semitism and persecution of Jews in largely Christian lands, especially Europe and North America, even until today.

    If Jesus mission on earth was to be the sacrificial lamb of God in order for him to be the saviour of the souls of those who accept him as their saviour, so he can save them from the fires of hell and take them into heaven; then Judas and the Jewish priesthood who wanted him crucified, were only doing the will of God by facilitating Jesus in his mission.