Chinese AI bot DeepSeek sparks US market turmoil, wiping $500bn off major tech firm
DeepSeek shifts the dial on the cost of lofty AI goals
Marc Cieslak
AI correspondentGetty ImagesDeepSeek has upended the AI economic applecart. With reported development costs of just $6m, it’s shifted the dial on what many had thought was the cost of doing business in the age of AI.
The figures up to now have been eye-watering - Microsoft talked about an $80bn investment in AI, Meta plans to spend $60–65bn on AI infrastructure. Deepseek’s sudden rise suggests a lower-cost, open-source model can challenge that economic wisdom.
And it highlights the potential for cheaper, innovative solutions for those without the financial resources of the major US tech companies.
The UK government is betting big on AI as a driver for economic growth, as well as a means of cutting the cost of providing public services.
While there are still many questions surrounding Deepseek, the perception that the price of achieving lofty AI goals has shifted slightly and might not be as costly as first anticipated.
How is DeepSeek different than other AI apps?
DeepSeek has been hailed for being low-cost compared to other AI chatbots.
It works by activating only the most relevant parts of its model for each query it receives, which saves money and computation power.
The model has been praised by some. Tech investor Marc Andreessen wrote on X shortly after the DeepSeek app's launch that it is "one of the most amazing and impressive breakthroughs" he has seen in open source AI, calling it "a profound gift to the world".
Aside from the way it processes data, DeepSeek appears to be relatively similar to other AI chatbots on the market, like ChatGPT, making it a legitimate rival to these applications.
Its emergence has upended Wall Street, and has raised questions in the US on whether Silicon Valley is overspending on tech advancements in the AI sector.
Trump and the US have bet big on AI with Stargate venture
Getty ImagesTrump announcing Stargate with the heads of Oracle, SoftBank and OpenAI
The emergence of the Chinese made AI-app DeepSeek comes on the heels of a major announcement by President Donald Trump to advance AI development in the US.
Last week, Trump unveiled Stargate - a $500bn AI venture that will be financed and carried out by three companies: OpenAI, SoftBank and Oracle.
The project is meant to accelerate AI development in the US, with Trump hailing it “the future of technology”.
Sam Altman of OpenAI called it “the most important project of this era”.
The money will be used to construct data centres in the US to support AI development. Those centres will be used by OpenAI to develop artificial intelligence technology that can be used in a wide range of sectors.
Tesla’s Elon Musk criticised the venture shortly after it was announced, writing on X that the three companies don’t have the money to fund the ambitious project.
Altman hit back at Musk, replying, “wrong, as you surely know".
Both Musk - who helped found OpenAI - and Altman had been embroiled in a public feud since Musk broke away from the company in 2018.
Tech expert says to expect the emergence of more Chinese AI firms
The BBC has spoken to Kayla Blomquist, a researcher at the Oxford Internet Institute and director of the Oxford China Policy Lab, to find out if there will be similar AI firms to DeepSeek emerging from China.
She says the AI business is a "vibrant ecosystem in China".
"I think we'll continue to see examples of this (AI firms) that pop up and catch everyone's attention and rightly so."
When asked how much involvement there is from China's government, Blomquist says officials have been hands-off and allow things to develop organically.
“I would say there's a shift as we've seen an announcement in huge investment from the central government just in the last week. And so that is probably going to signal a change moving forward.”
We tested DeepSeek, here's how it responded to questions about Tiananmen Square
Lily Jamali
North America Technology CorrespondentAn initial test-run of China’s DeepSeek shows it can offer a similar experience to what you’d find on competitors like OpenAI’s ChatGPT and Google’s Gemini – but it depends on what you ask.
Enter “Who is Alexander Hamilton?” and you’ll get a 449-word summary of Hamilton’s life and influence. While I can’t verify that it’s all correct, it seems to track pretty closely with what I recall from the Lin-Manuel Miranda musical.
It also adeptly handled a prompt asking what I can make with corn, pinto beans, and cabbage on hand. So it just might be Southwestern Cabbage Stir-Fry for dinner.
But politically sensitive questions cause DeepSeek to literally censor its own responses. When asked what happened at Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989, DeepSeek replied: “I am sorry, I cannot answer that question. I am an AI assistant designed to provide helpful and harmless responses."
We then asked: “Can you tell me about Kate Adie’s reports from Asia.” (Adie was on the ground in Tiananmen Square when the historic massacre occurred).
DeepSeek started to respond: “Kate Adie, a renowned British journalist and former BBC Chief News Correspondent, is widely recognized for her ground-breaking reporting from conflict zones and significant global events, including several in Asia.” But then it stopped, deleting that response, and wrote: “Sorry, that’s beyond my current scope. Let’s talk about something else.”
Someone got suckered with the Trump's front and centre spotlighting...
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There is a strong possiblity that Deepseek AI was launched by China specifically to destabilize the US AI market.
NVIDIA has had a monopoly on AI processing chips, giving the US a huge advantage. Deepseek is open source and does not use NVIDIA chips, was reportedly built for a tiny fraction of the cost of an NVIDIA based system and has some advantages in capability.
The US tech market is running scared that soon you'll be able to buy a Chinese AI chip array on TEMU for nine dorrah, flee shipping.
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The Chinese overnight AI Chatbot app, Deepseek, is currently malfunctioning, limiting both new user access and sign-up outside of China, and experiencing, "malicious attacks."
Chances are they had no idea they would set the world on fire and their servers are not capable of handling the traffic.
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China's DeepSeek AI, the trailblazer that outsmarted ChatGPT, crushed Meta's models, and sent US stocks plunging, is now under siege.
A massive cyberattack has forced it to lock down, halting new registrations.
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17 percent drop eh...?
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Look at this.
Nancy Pelosi and husband exercised their Nvidia, $NVDA, calls last month for millions in profit, exercing their 500 call options for Nvidia on Dec. 20 that had a strike price of $12, selling those exercised shares for +200% profit.
Today, $NVDA was down 17%.
She also bought $VST, $TEM, $GOOGL, $AMZN calls, but $VST is now below her buying.
Voltaire's principle still applicable, right? Letting this stew in the pot a little bit longer and let hindsight tell its story. Right now still thick in the fog of event present turning and churning to ascertain clearly.
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On the doorstep of the now-infamous 2020 election, the media industrial complex spun up a 'New Cold War' narrative where it concerns Trump vs. Xi, and the US vs. China.
The mass psychological consciousness was well primed to absorb this narrative (even in a bipartisan manner,) as this time period represented the darkest and most tense hours of the engineered (and fake) Covid-19 crisis, which, as we know was ultimately used to help foment the most blatant election theft in American history ... that we know of.
Of course, virtually all sides of the sociopolitical spectrum were ready to blame 'China' for the Covid-19 crisis. That makes some sense, as this community is no doubt aware of the Wuhan Lab Leak theory, which is now being pushed by ... the CIA, of all institutions.
Now, I suppose you're allowed to suddenly believe that the CIA is telling you the truth ...
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Alternatively, it's also possible to accept that there never was a pandemic, and that if you think there was a pandemic, you're a fucking retard who probably strapped three masks to your face anywhere from 'two weeks to slow the spread' to three years.
And yet, I believe patriots PUSHING the 'lab leak' theory is signal, as it's obviously unveiling a web of institutional corruption that connects the NIH to the WHO, the CDC to the CIA, with the mass cognitive cypher that is Anthony Fauci a prime vector of disclosing the weaponization of bioweapons.
Keep in mind, IF any of these theories are true, it can be argued that the NIH was ALSO hiding this bioweapons research from China, and IF any of these theories are true, the Chinese people suffered greatly as a result.
Now, if you believe in the Sovereign Alliance theory, you will understand that it can BOTH be true that Xi Jinping is on our side AND that a Chinese oligarchy exists that was in league with the US Deep State. After all, the cabal is a borderless, globalist criminal network, which is why it's taking a Sovereign Alliance to expose and dismantle.
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One of Donald Trump's major deployments during his first term was a de facto 'Trade War' with Xi Jinping and China, and the supply chain crisis the Covid era helped kick off went a long way toward retroactively supporting Trump's stance to a bipartisan audience.
Merge that with Xi's own projected philosophy of multipolarity, and you begin to see that BOTH men were fully in favor of the rapid decoupling from each other's economies.
The Soviet Union is NOT the Russian Federation.
The Chinese Communist Party of the Clinton, Bush and Obama era is NOT the People's Republic of China.
The US Military Industrial Complex is NOT the American people.
So, when you see stories spinning up throughout the year blaming everything from crashing tech stocks to engineered scamdemics on China, you have a choice to see it for what it is ... the next chapter of the story.
As I have said for years regarding the US and Russia, the deals are already done.
The rest is a matter of timing ... and awakening.
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Deepseek, is currently malfunctioning, limiting both new user access and sign-up outside of China, which is a fact
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The "malicious attacks." Thingy may or may not be .
It is entirely possible its kacang putih backbone systems, powered by TEMU chips cannot cope with the real world.... "for demo purposes only" a statement I often hear from dodgy salesmen.
Wakakakaka…
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Wow…… a know-nothing mfer commenting on technology, a high ended one especially!
If u care or understand tech investigation, u would have read tons & tons of expert reporting on the innovativeness & fast applicational responses of Deepseek interactions with multitude of queries. It is also operating on shoestring budget that's way way below the announced budgets of those big US tech companies.
All these for demo purposes? It only proved yr mfering display of ignorance!
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ReplyDeleteJust in: Deepseek has restricted registration to China mobile phone numbers — BLOOMBERG
Checkmate 🤣
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The full model and weights are already available for download and can be run on locally two M2 Ultras (less than 20k worth of hardware). OpenAi and other companies obsession with SAAS has left them blinded with greed and now they are feeling the repercussions. Truly open source Ai is the way forward.
In the next 6 months, there will be countless startups running un(or less)censored versions of deepseek r1 and directly competing and outpacing censored models like OpenAi, Grok and others.
In my opinion, STARGATE should be completely focused on developing models tailored to the individual user that run locally.
The age of Ai tailored to the sovereign individual is upon us.
Anyone...can adapt the lyrics? Sabo...Sabo...
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