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Friday, February 23, 2018

Mahathir and his Japanese

Malaysiakini Headline (only) - Dr M: Fear of Najib greater than during Japanese occupation:


I wasn't born yet during the Japanese occupation of Malaya, but when I asked my Uncles about what Mahathir has just said, they laughed bitterly and said what a bullshitter Mahathir is. Chinese lived in perpetual fear of being arrested, tortured, raped, shot or decapitated by the Japanese soldiers or worse, the Kempeitai.


Kempeitai was the military police arm of the Imperial Japanese Army from 1881 to 1945. It was not a conventional military police, but more of a secret police

The Japanese soldiers hated the Chinese for their overt support of both the Kuomintang and Communist military in China who were resisting Japanese invasion there.




But one of my Uncles friend said the horrendous environment of perpetual fear in Malaya during the Japanese occupation applied mostly to Chinese, so Mahathir as a Malay (well, he might have some Indian blood but constitutionally he is undeniably one) could be telling the truth, viewed from his Malay lens.

By comparison to the Chinese, the Malays had it pretty light during the Jap occupation as those Japanese targeted mainly the local Chinese. Besides, the Malays (unlike the Chinese) did not consider the Japanese military in WWII any worse than the colonial British - both were aliens in Malaya. Thus the Japanese tended to treat the Malays far far better than the Chinese.

Almost all those tortured, killed and brutalised during the Japanese occupation of Malaya were Chinese plus those Orang Putih who were POWs and a few Eurasians - I am not sure whether Indians were hurt but the Eurasians were unfortunately considered as Europeans by the Japs.


In fact, I recall Mahathir once provided a one-sided perspective on the treatment of Malays by Japanese military during the Japanese occupation. He said Malays even lost their lowly office jobs (held under the British) and were forced to become petty roadside traders selling goods like bananas.

Now, hasn't that been just naughty? Did the Chinese and Indians manage to keep their British provided jobs? Almost every Chinese were on the run as war refugees in deep terrorised fear because they were the occupiers' bête noires, the race most disliked by the Japanese.

My family were forced to run off to Balik Pulau via (then) jungle tracks over the Ayer Itam - Balik Pulau hills and hid in a relative's chicken farm in Balik Pulau, abandoning and losing everything they owned in Georgetown.


Until the Brits reoccupied Penang, they lived for years in a shed meant for fowls, completed with chicken poo. One of my aunties, then newly born and unable to eat any solid, survived only on the fluid of rice gruel for more than a week, becoming weaker and weaker each day in front of her terrified mum's eyes. Her mum could not produce enough milk for her. I suppose her mum's daily prayers to her gods must have worked.

Additionally there was evidence that in general, more than a few Malays collaborated with the Japanese invaders, not because they were quislings or traitors but because unlike the Chinese, they saw the Japanese as 'friends' for driving out the colonialist Poms - the old equation of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

Bearing in mind those times were during pre-independent Malaya, the Chinese reacted differently to the Malays because of their ethnic allegiance to China and the Japanese atrocities there, explaining why the Japs were particularly cruel to Chinese in Malaya and Singapore.



Mahathir also said that when Malays “… failed to bow their heads low when walking by a Japanese soldier they would be forced to balance large chunks of rocks on their heads and shoulders until they would collapse from dizziness, or that they (the Malays)would be ordered to climb tall coconut trees to get the fruits for these Japanese soldiers, where on failing to achieve that, would be slapped and would have to crouch to seek forgiveness …”.

Is the above example happening to Malays today?

But never mind, let's return to WWII - ask any Chinese from that time or those who have or had parents or grandparents living under Japanese occupation to appreciate (only an iota of) their fears, sufferings and tormented lives in those dark days. Being slapped by the Japs would by comparison be like a Sunday school picnic.

Alas, Mahathir wanted to monopolise Malayan sufferings under the Japanese for only Malays when the reverse was true - a totally un-humorous Baghdad-Bob-ish nonsense. And all he could come up with was the example of Malays being slapped by Japanese soldiers.

No matter how much you hate Najib, it's just impossible to believe Mahathir when he said Fear of Najib greater than during Japanese occupation.

Now look at what had happened to Chinese at the hands of the Japanese occupiers of Malaya during WWII. Apart from being decapitated, the illustration below shows just one example of what happened to Chinese who were unfortunate as to be hauled in by the Kempeitai. One of the places the Kempeitai tortured Chinese victims was at Wesley Church Burma Penang.

Mahathir sure as hell tok-kok. Podah


22 comments:

  1. Not to forget Najib's father was essentially a Japanese collaborator.

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    1. Robert Kuok too admitted he was a Japanese collaborator. So any problem with that? Ahh... but they were killing Chinamen...

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    2. whether he was a collaborator or not, no Chinese would ever dare admit it

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    3. Wasn't it in his memoir that he traded rice on behalf of Japanese overlords during the Occupation?

      Besides, the stigma of those who collaborated will eventually die with those of his generation. The current generation only sees him as a savvy operator who survived and succeeded using any means necessary. In business, like politics, they see practicalities overrides principles & ethics.

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    4. trading or carrying out a business could be forgiven but collaboration in the meaning of the word in WWII was akin to snitching and being a quisling

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    5. Well, its the principles and ethics of those days. Back then, even a simple business dealing with those overlords will mark you as a traitor. I had relatives that were interrogated for days by them Commies just becoz they had sold titbits to some Japanese soldiers. Its all about the kinship spirit of Chinese.

      Nowadays, nobody even care if you play both sides.

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  2. Wakakakaka……… another one of yr political-correct wordplay!

    1) The Japanese soldiers hated the Chinese for their overt support of both the Kuomintang and Communist military in China who were resisting Japanese invasion there.

    So they didn't hate the mainland Chinese that much intially when they first invaded NE China. They were treating those Chinese like they were treating the Melayu of Malaya ke?

    Wakakakaka.....

    U should know that the Jap, then, had the same siege mentality just like the current ketuanan freaks of bolihland. Their first wave of atrocities in the NE China was EQUALLY cruel & inhumane, just like those latter ones!

    2) the Malays had it pretty light during the Jap occupation as those Japanese targeted mainly the local Chinese. Besides, the Malays (unlike the Chinese) did not consider the Japanese military in WWII any worse than the colonial British - both were aliens in Malaya.

    Wakakakaka……

    Actually, the Melayu masses then didn't care who governed/controlled them, as long as they had their islam & three meals.

    They could collaborated with whoever promised them that as detailed in one of Pendita Zaaba's essay.

    3) Malays even lost their lowly office jobs (held under the British) and were forced to become petty roadside traders selling goods like bananas.

    Wakakakaka......

    Mamak lied through his teeth!

    Most of the ex-pommie Melayu officers (who were usually the bluebloods & elites) just switched camp & continue working under the Jap for their hamba lifestyle!

    Those who were petty traders balik kampong to continue their ways of me-layu!

    4) more than a few Malays collaborated with the Japanese invaders, not because they were quislings or traitors but because unlike the Chinese, they saw the Japanese as 'friends' for driving out the colonialist Poms - the old equation of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

    Wakakakaka………

    U mesti buat research teliti lagi. Especially with reference to the elites!

    Again, in one of Pendita Zaaba's essay, he described that the mat/minah Melayu then had very little or no concepts of nationhood due to their feudalistic & lackadaisical religious thinkings. As long as they could have their islam & 3meals, the master could be a monyet!

    The Melayu elites were different. To maintain their comfort lifestyle they so used to, they could do anything. Hence the Jap took a liken to them to do their dirty bettings.

    5) the Chinese reacted differently to the Malays because of their ethnic allegiance to China and the Japanese atrocities there, explaining why the Japs were particularly cruel to Chinese in Malaya and Singapore.

    Wakakakaka………Sigh……

    U have the same thinking like many of those Cinapek apologists!

    Many of the memoirs, eg ChinPeng's, have consistently indicated that their AIM was to liberate Malaya from colonial rules. INDEPENDENCE & free to be the master of their own land!

    Their ethnic Chinese origin didn't mean they pledged their allegiances to China, though there were kindred feeling towards the sufferings happened in China. They also knew IF they didn't fight the Jap, same fate were to befill upon them when the Jap got hold of them.

    Sigh...... Thinking u know the history.....Just from a narrow angle of yr own personal choosing!

    Mahathir indeed sure as hell tok-kok. Bcoz he look at those incidences from what he so wanted to understand.

    Just like MOST of u! Podah

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    1. firstly, where is it that I said the Japs "didn't hate the mainland Chinese" - as usual you went off on your own reckless method of wildly accusing others, and

      WTF has "Many of the memoirs, eg ChinPeng's, have consistently indicated that their AIM was to liberate Malaya from colonial rules. INDEPENDENCE & free to be the master of their own land!" got to do with my post topic?

      CK, I didn't want to say this earlier but you have a problem in that you hate the Malays and seek every opportunity to degrade or abuse them.

      However, I have said this before, you're the sort of Chinese who made Malays hate other Chinese Malaysians, loud, abusive, inappropriately arrogant, lacks muhibbah, not unlike one certain DAP politician in Selangor, wakakaka

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    2. 1) it was the japs strategy, the so called Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Circle.

      2) what if a non chinese keep on referring to luxun writes when the subject is chinese?

      3) i think there is some truth, even today u dun see japs investor fully delegate, unlike most american n european.

      4) luxun oso said chinese tis n tat wakaka.

      5) can u show me one writes from any chinese, not the baba nyonya type, wrote during the 40s n 50s, but definitely not memoir, that pledged their allegiances to malaya?

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    3. Gotta correct you there a bit, CK.

      The Japs didn't have siege mentality. They had Superior Colonial Master mentality akin to those Brits, Americans, Spanish, western colonisers. They all had the same myopic view that they are superior human beings and its their god-given right to come and plunder the resources while bringing civilisation to the natives.

      The issues of Mainland China, throws an added twist in that the Japanese have a long resentful history of subjugation, fiefdom & threats from China then WW2 came and presented the opportunity to turn the tables at last.

      But the fierce resistance from KMT & CPC made that resentfulness boilover into mindless hatred for all Chinese and this hatred extended to Chinese everywhere they conquered.

      Its all historical really. The Chinese-Japanese relationship are much like Malays-Brits when the Residents tried to overrule the royalties.

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    4. 2) luxun is not the only one writing critically about Chinese.

      There r ALSO HK, Taiwanese writers, past & present, said chinese tis n tat.

      So what the Chinese take them as they r. The Cinapeks juga take them as they r.

      BTW, u know the difference between Chinese & Cinapek ke?

      5) u want fiction? What man, that's mental farts, to put it lightly. So anything goes with fiction OK!

      How about Lim Lian Geok(林连玉)?

      He has memoirs & many articles le!

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    5. 2. there r reason y luxun wrote in such manner, similarly zaaba might doing the same. chinese went through various hardship, with millions died, r the chinese achievement really better?

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    6. 5. i already anticipate u will bring out llg. llg appeal to the malaya chinese, is actually a adherence n support to zhou enlai bandung speech, or to be exact CCP stance wrt overseas chinese allegiances towards their adopted country. this signified most chinese at that time r still not clear who|where they shd place their loyalty to, n this is precisely my point. i read almost all llg writes, did u?

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    7. R u luxun?

      Can u read his mind?

      Pendita Zaaba's works doesn't appear to be in the same mould as LuXun. U obviously have not read any of his works!

      Each country/culture goes through many rounds of bath-of-fire throughout her long March through history.

      This is the fact of human evolution that cannot be change until human reaches a higher level of development - cf PD.

      "chinese went through various hardship, with millions died, r the chinese achievement really better?"

      Wakakakaka………

      A simple answer - Chinese civilisation is the only continuous ancient civilisation still exists TODAY!

      Yr bloody line of though reminds me of that moronic Lung Ying-tai le!

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    8. U read all the writings of LLG?

      Then u read them with yr twisted hate for communist idea!

      I can write some pieces (with much efforts) infused with islamic concepts. But does that mean I'm a zombie?

      Like many, u read what u like - especially when u r already biased in yr thinking!

      Despite yr interpretations about LLG, & knowing(???) I would quote him, u still want to trap me?

      Wakakakaka.....U don't know how to play the game le! Lagi, after I quoted him, u can ONLY come out blasting with irrelevances!

      U don't understand LLG - bcoz u have a very serious case of Cinapek apologicitis lah.

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    9. "Each country/culture goes through many rounds of bath-of-fire throughout her long March through history."

      tis oso precisely my point, then y u act like the west that force down one throat by telling the islamist what is best for them?

      lung yingtai or boyang is totally diff generation, I suggest u read lin yutang. i opine that he is the antithesis of luxun, in fact didn't china revert from the extreme left and become more moderate? n didn't u realise both taiwan/kmt liberal democracy n mainland/ccp communism r both from the west? so what tis have to do with "continuous ancient civilisation"?

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    10. llg was very persistent with how chinese choose to live our life, he rarely gave very "constructive" advice, like u do, on how malay/muslim should live their life. so tell me where my hatred come from?

      there r basically 3 group of chinese that might fit yr story of loving malaya 1) baba like tan chenglok, or even lee kuanyew 2) the educated like llg 3) the communist that have a grasp of world politics.

      the rest of Chinese (commoners) r mostly blur blur of what they want during the 50s until merdeka.

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    11. U r getting good to do KT's work of wordplays le!

      WTF has "y u act like the west that force down one throat by telling the islamist what is best for them?" to do with "Each country/culture goes through many rounds of bath-of-fire throughout her long March through history."???

      Precisely of WHAT point have I forced upon them?

      Do u mean let those zombies do what they like to self destruct?

      Fine, if they were isolated in their own island, far far away from everybody else. M'sia has many others WHO don't believe in their way of life le!

      Yr Cinapek apologicitis is in terminal stage oredi!

      Ha...U don't know anything about lin yutang - a REAL anmokauxai that fed on the blood of the Chinese when he ran 夏大.

      For that, none of his works fit to be read by Chinese anywhere except the West. So, do yrself a favour, DON'T ever compare lyt as the antithesis of LuXun lah.

      lung yingtai is of a different generation of anmokauxai, who used her writing talent to fool the young blurs of Taiwan/HK. A talker who does good mental farts, & yet remains a pure talker of no significant practical results.

      Both taiwan/kmt liberal democracy n mainland/ccp communism r both from the west - so what?

      China is a good melting pot that has a very strong affinity for idea absorption since ancient time. She has ALSO generated her own idealogy, infused with both Western&Sino concepts. That's how that ancient civilisation can STILL continue today while ALL others disappeared into sands of time.

      Yr apologicitis seems to have all yr logical thinking twisted kau2.

      I suggest we stop this discussion here bcoz we r miles apart in the evolution of Chinese/Cinapek evolution. Here is not the place for an in-depth probe!

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    12. "China is a good melting pot that has a very strong affinity for idea absorption since ancient time. She has ALSO generated her own idealogy, infused with both Western&Sino concepts. That's how that ancient civilisation can STILL continue today while ALL others disappeared into sands of time"

      tis is quite similar to lin yutang view, he promote chinese arts to the west, he said chinese culture belong to world n mankind, while luxun took the opposite stance, u see how u contradict yrself or one dimensional in many of yr argument?

      ok we stop. bec its like i’m speaking to a person who cannot hear, and writing to a person who cannot read. perhaps its both wakaka

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    13. Let me give u a final message wrt yr lyt fart:

      &^%$@@*& (my utmost repugnance)

      So, who cannot hear, who cannot read!

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  3. Now we r getting into semantic erh!

    In (1)'s quote, what's yr contextual imply?

    I read it as bcoz the Jap hated the mainland Chinese so much that they applied the same attitudes/treatments to ANY ethnic Chinese anywhere!

    What's yr take?

    In (5)'s quote, I read & understand yr implication as the Cinapeks' allegiance to China bcoz of their ethnicity.

    My counter argument is those numerous memoirs. Those Cinapeks were always having their hearts right here in Malaya.

    Like many Cinapek apologists, u imply they were 'pendatang' who were always longing to go back to their motherland. Whatever, they did ONLY to achieve that aim lah!

    INDEPENDENCE & free to be the master of their own land is to response to yr 'WTF'!

    U r not the 1st, neither will be the last to label me for whatsoever u think. I don't give a damn, as it's yr opinion!

    Whether my comments make u think that I'm a Melayu hater, again, that's yr opinion. Perhaps a very shallow & politic-correct bolihland (Cinapek apologist) view in the class of those ketuanan freaks le.

    If what I commented in responding to yr writes as an indication of seeking every opportunity to degrade or abuse Melayu, AGAIN, that's a display of yr inner self. Perhaps, that's that Cinapek apologicitis showing it's ugly syndrome?

    If telling the truth about the Melayu equals to making Malays hate other Chinese Malaysians. Then r u telling me that ONLY the Melayu have the sole right to comment about Melayu affairs?

    Bearing in mind, I quote reputed classic Malay writer!

    Loud, abusive, inappropriately arrogant, lacks muhibbah???

    Am I?

    Kow-towing to those ketuanan freaks is yr understanding of bolihland politic-correctness. Right?

    Or u want me to be infected with yr Cinapek apologicitis, just like those mf**kers mca, gerakan, others etc etc?

    What am I getting? Wakakakaka……Sigh……

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  4. Hua Zhing endorses Najib..
    http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwmeKfyTY

    2018 Quisling..

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