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but Oh Allah swt, your own ulama's are ruining your Compassionate image for their own power interests ... ... and giving your religion a scary reputation when it's one of Compassion, as so evidenced in at least 2 of the 5 pillars of Islam, namely zakat and empathic (not emphatic) fasting it's doubtful your ulama's understand the word 'empathic' or its equivalent in Arabic because they, for their own power-driven lusts, are more 'emphatic' than 'empathic' |
He proposes that religious discipline including proper social-cultural behaviour can be inculcated by increased severe punishments (not teachings or counselling but punishments, the more harsh the better), so as to intimidate, threaten (bully) and punish naughty Muslims into behaving. And the example he wants to show to justify the dire need for increased syariah punishment is, as expected of an ulama, illegitimate births.
Ikatan Muslimin Malaysia (Isma) deputy president Aminuddin Yahaya warned today (as reported by Malay Mail Online's More illegitimate kids without heavier Shariah punishments) that ..... Without heavier punishments from Shariah courts to deter Muslims from vice, the country will potentially see 500,000 more illegitimate children in the decade to come. He pointed out that illegitimate births involved mainly Malay-Muslim women .....
But aren't all children the gift of Allah swt? Hasn't it been our society's act (not Allah swt) in labelling those 'gifts of Allah swt' as illegitimate?
But you know something? He failed to explain why non Malay Muslims like the Chinese, Indians and many other non-Malay women do not have such humongous problem of illegitimate births as he attempted to paint.
These non-Malay non-Muslim women and men do NOT require increased syariah punishments nor even the current syariah punishments to control their normal sexual urges. They are not perfect but they don't have the sort of sex lusts Aminuddin Yahaya said Malays have, by evidence of said illegitimate births.
Does this mean Malay men and Malay women cannot control their sexual urges to an extent that even Islam still couldn't help them? Oh, Aminuddin Yahaya, you lack faith lah!
Does this mean Malay men and Malay women cannot control their sexual urges to an extent that even Islam still couldn't help them? Oh, Aminuddin Yahaya, you lack faith lah!
MM Online in the same news also informs us: In 2014, Kelantan deputy mentri besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah had told Malay Mail Online of the PAS-led state government’s plan to empower the Shariah courts to try Muslims for serious crimes ― such as premarital sex punishable by 100 lashes and adultery punishable by death.
See! PAS ulamas have only focussed on issues such as premarital sex, adultery, bonking on the back of a camel (but not kerbau), divorcees being 'gatal sikit'* and wives being deemed by the Kelantan law as abusive if they do not satisfy their hubby's sexual requirements**. Or that posters on watches, shampoos and unisex hair dressing salons are not permitted. Their ulama minds are so consumed with these sexual issues.
* a PAS politician, Abdul Fatah Harun, the ‘honourable’ (wakakaka) PAS member for Rantau Panjang, told the Dewan Rakyat in 2006 that “If we see women who don’t have husbands and are divorced not because their husbands are dead, (it must be because) they are ‘gatal sikit’”.
** in 2006 Kelantan mufti Mohamad Shukri Mohamad explained that in a marriage, it's not always the wives who were abused as it could also happen to the husbands. He advised that Islamic laws protect both women and men.
He warned: "Thus wives who do not provide proper care for their husbands, including not fulfilling their sexual needs, can be considered as being unjust and abusive towards their husbands."
"These women can be charged under Section 128 (1) of the Kelantan Islamic Law Enactment 2002, which provides for a fine of RM 1,000 or jail of up to six months or both upon conviction."
But in a manner not unusual of either important big shots (CEOs, ministers, preachers, etc) or impossible big bullshitters, he skipped the details, yup, by neglecting to elaborate on how the syariah courts would determine any husband’s claims of his wife abusive failings to satisfy his sexual needs as per, wakakaka, Section 128 (1) of the Kelantan Islamic Law Enactment 2002.
As we know, some husbands may have excessive sexual needs, so the poor wives could be required to perform to super-human standards, you know, 'above and beyond' the call of duty.
He warned: "Thus wives who do not provide proper care for their husbands, including not fulfilling their sexual needs, can be considered as being unjust and abusive towards their husbands."
"These women can be charged under Section 128 (1) of the Kelantan Islamic Law Enactment 2002, which provides for a fine of RM 1,000 or jail of up to six months or both upon conviction."
But in a manner not unusual of either important big shots (CEOs, ministers, preachers, etc) or impossible big bullshitters, he skipped the details, yup, by neglecting to elaborate on how the syariah courts would determine any husband’s claims of his wife abusive failings to satisfy his sexual needs as per, wakakaka, Section 128 (1) of the Kelantan Islamic Law Enactment 2002.
As we know, some husbands may have excessive sexual needs, so the poor wives could be required to perform to super-human standards, you know, 'above and beyond' the call of duty.
Back again to Kelantan deputy MB Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah, as reported by MM Online - He had then said PAS wanted to amend the 1965 law to enable Shariah courts to impose heavier penalties such as death penalty and amputations, as well as to seek approval to enact punishments for crimes that fall under the Penal Code.
"... to seek approval to enact punishments for crimes that fall under the Penal Code" He wants the syariah courts to take over from the civil courts.
But the existing fact that syariah courts are limited in their issued punishments while the civil courts can go up to the death penalty is stark and irrefutable evidence that the syariah courts are subordinate to civil courts, ...
... and no amount of screaming or threatening by the ulamas and their cronies can disprove the bare evidence lying in front of us. We are therefore indisputably a secular nation, regardless of what Mahathir unilaterally declared in his 929 & 617 Declarations.
But you know what, if hudud laws were to be in effect I would like to amputate those ulama's, no not their dicks or arms or legs or stupid heads, but their dirty-clouded minds, though I have to refrain from the giving them the death penalty because I am against capital punishment ...
... which brings us to the issue of Canny Ong's murderer-rapist being executed recently. I am against his execution or anyone's execution a la the biblical 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth' and rather he be imprisoned for life, but this discussion has to be another post.
But it goes to show how that particular Muslim was so filled with lust that he raped a stranger Canny Ong and then callously murdered her, despite his Islamic upbringing. Do you think for a moment he was the exception to the rule? Please think again, or better, investigate.
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc are land with full implementation of syariah laws inclusive of hudud, yet there are far more illicit sex and rape incidents (including lust-&-power-driven 'honour' rapes) and incests (check whether Kelantan and Terengganu top Malaysian states for reported incests) and sodomy going on in those so-called syariah-compliant lands than in Singapore or Japan, not that they are perfect, but at least Singapore and Japan enjoy a better image or less sex-crime incidents.
I believe the real aim of increased syariah punishment including the death penalty and amputation is more to enhance the powers of the ulama's (like what's happening in ISIL controlled regions) so that those clerics can be more scary in their hudud-powers that every Muslim and eventually non-Muslims will obey them unquestioningly, yes, unquestioningly, even if those ulamas are evil, wicked and oppressive. Tell me, who in ISIL regions dares to question or challenge those IS brutal draconian dictators?
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(1) Theocratic 3 P's - prohibit, persecute & punish
i dun know y u keep on mentioned mahathir islamic state declaration, anyonw with some objective mind know his purpose is more on deterrence n preemptive. mahathir is the only politician that distance himself from anything pas, while dap is one that used to work closely with pas. y u dap people so hypo one ah?
ReplyDeleteMahathir opened Pandora Box which as we know cannot closed back on the evil that has escaped
Deleteu r presumptuous. with or without mahathir its a "trendy" thing for muslim, show me which muslim majority countries could avoid?
Deletethere r 2 thing I salute mahathir way (from my perspective), his view on religion n monarchy, of course there r element of selfishness n politicking, however i tend to believe he dun bought into the islamic approach by pas, n he make use of anwar. yr najib is totally diff, he, like dap, work with pas for the sake of power or to remain in power. i am not saying who is right or wrong, they r all just a bunch of useless politician, but u n rpk writes r bias, n always wan to blame others.
n according to rpk who claim to have read thousand books but still cant acknowledge wat is right n wrong like a 7 years old, we r not secular, so dun syok sendiri.
the nation with the biggest Muslim population, Indonesia, is secular
DeleteRPK can say Malaysia in not secular, likewise I can say (with evidence) that Malaysia or its predecessor Malaya, is secular
It is within my right and with justification to say that Mahathir opened the Islamic Pandora Box, which now is too late to shut it with the released evil enclosed within once again - nasi dah jadi bubur
who dun know indonesia is secular? i said muslim majority country become more islamic n less secular, include indonesia, no? the reason y indo progress toward tis is relatively slow is they have less freedom in the past, just the same reason they dun have chinese school n prohibit or ban the learning of chinese, they apply the same on religion, similar to ccp china, n that is y china is one of the most secular country.
Deletey dap work with pas? can u answer this instead blaming mahathir?
reason why Indon has been more resistant to Islamization, despite it having the largest Muslim pop in the world has been its long lasting Buddhist-Hindu civilization and their lasting impact on its socio-culture. Malaysia lacks that and clings shamelessly on to Arab civilization, socio-culture and of course Islam.
DeleteDAP works with PAS under the persuasion of Anwar Ibrahim. Pakatan Rakyat was a marriage of convenience, but once PAS began to push its own agenda of hudud, DAP realized that such marriage won't be long lasting, thus DAO must be wary of Pribumi and assess its agenda and aim - is it to just topple Najib or is it truly about reforms?
hmmm bec of ai? so in the past was razaleigh n today is perhaps mahathir, no wonder dap a party of principle, many principles.
Deletei doubt yr view on indonesia vis a vis msia n civilization. the concept i guess is correct but the involve party a bit out. indonesian is proud of their malay culture, msia no, we r still confuse whether to adopt malay or western ie british or arab, thats the diff. i think the malay know well indonesia is the center of anything malay, they r still indulge in soul searching.
finally, the pandora box is our consti, both religion n race. thats the mess or wisdom from tunku n perikatan, i dun know which is which.
There is no Islamic precedent for what IS/ISIL/DAESH had done or is doing now. IS/ISIL/DAESH was/is never the benchmark or the central of an Islamic Legal System.
ReplyDeleteBTW there are 'hudud' curdling laws also advocated in the Old Testament! And it had taken England so long to become a secular country since the first crusades of 1095. Today, most churches are empty or closed down. SIGH.
The reality, what matters most is how the syriah law i.e. in regard to Act 355 is going to be implemented if/when it is approved by the legislators? Having said that, I am not against modernity, however, what is 'wajib' is 'wajib' and there must be an effort (how small it is) to implement it.
I do not support the ambitions of the so-called IS/ISIL/DAESH, of which imho is either arnachism or totalitarian or both. They want to be in control of every aspect of people's lives rather than be the examplary medieval Islamic Society of 1438 years ago as advocated and lived by Prophet Muhammad S.A.W (PBUH).
1.halo anhea, you ni tak abis2 dgn 929 & 617 declarations. our constitution still remains secular. syariah law exists becos of the constitution.
ReplyDelete2. mereka ni tidak ada kerja yg berfaedah untuk ummah hanya 'gian' nak torture saja. (punish yes, parents do punish their children but not torture).
'gian'! wakakaka, Penang lang er?
ReplyDeleteit is not to torture but to teach or educate. hudud wajib dipercayai, nevertheless, its implementation, decision,and execution is up to the judge presiding the case. it depends on the magnitude and the gravity of cases. if found guilty but there is true repentance, kesedaran dan keinsafan, then the punishment of hudud should be avoided, perhaps imprisonment should be enough. but for habitual and repetitive offenders, they deserve to be hudud-ed.
DeleteAnd strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you "Muslims" before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah . He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper.(AQ 22.78)
Deletepls note that allah swt only NAMED moslems to those who submit (to his will). has He ever named or referred medina as an islamic state what more fundamentalist? what about islamic banking, islamic fashion, liberal muslim, islamic terrorist & what have you. and do you know who is the father of hudud? and also have you noticed or realised that there's a fundamental difference between allah's hukum and the so-called islamic law with regards to crime & punishment?
"So whoever wills, let him disbelieve" - Al Qur'an 18:29
Delete"And strive for Allah with the striving due to him" as you have quoted above is to include to apply Allah's Law i.e. establishing the syariah law.
jangan melencong, just answer my questions.
DeleteI read your comment and I wonder whether you are aware of the following, but please check, double check and cross check, as I may be wrong and always stand to be corrected by you.
DeleteLet’s go back to a little bit of history: Can you guess how big is the Ottoman Empire in 1566?
This Ottoman Empire was abolished when Sultan Caliph Mehmed VI left Istanbul in 1922, and Kemal Atartuk established the secular Turkish republic 1923. The Caliphate [the succession of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. (PBUH)] was abolished 1924, hence, the collapsed of the Islamic world.
The colonial powers then became dominant i.e. the British, French and the Russian. From 1925, the western world was/is dominant economically, militarily and culturally in what’s left of the Ottoman Empire.
Since then, the resentment Muslims continuously search a way out of the crisis thorough Pan Turkish Nationalism and Pan Arab Nationalism but not religion (Islam/Syariah Law). Nationalism has a stronger secular character than religion, however, all these had vanished.
A new ideology has emerged i.e. Political Islam. This new ideology has inspired and exported revolutions and which is currently in progress in Syria. Presently, President Asad is resisting it violently which is indeed his right provided under Article 51 of UN Charter.
Consequently, the western powers saw/see that there was/is an opportunity to bring in democracy to the Middle East and impose it trough military invasions. Are they not interfering in Turkey? Perhaps Malaysia too? Who knows? As David Cameron has put it: “Presdent Asad has committed war crimes on his own people and therefore is legitimate”. You can just change the name to PM Najib, can’t you? Bersih 5? Wakakaka.
Today, after the western military intervention, there is now the emergence of what we call ethnic and religious sect nationalism that has divided the Muslims between Sunni (Saudi Arabia) and Shia (Iran).
The objective of Political Islam is to impose an exclusive Syariah model of Islamic way of life based on Saudi Arabia’s Wahabism [inspired by Ibn Abd al wahab (1792)] and Salafism [Way of life of ancestors of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W (PBUH), which is Islam as it was in Medina following only Al-Qur’an and Sunnah and Hadith].
Under Wahabism, the doctrine is: Islam is Law; No Christianity; No Sufism; No Brotherhoods; No Shrines; No Saints; No Icons or Statutes.
Under Salafism, it is split under two main categories i.e. the Pacifist and non-Pacifist. The Pacifist don’t give themselves the right to judge other Muslims as kafir/kufar, and violence is strictly NOT warranted and accepted; whereas, the non-Pacifist who is also called Salafiah Jihadiyah or Takfirist has authorized/approved (through their fatwa/edict) themselves to use violence against the Nons.
Needless to say here which group I am supporting? But the ‘cepu emas’ question(s) you should ask is: Can hudud/syariah law be implemented in Malaysia? Perhaps, when you are in a deep and pensive mood, you can ponder on this verse - “Sovereignty is for none but Allah” ~ Al Qur’an 12:40’ and “God’s party is sure to triumph” ~ Al-Qur’an 5:56.
1. The word "salaf" is Arabic for "ancient one" and refers to the companions of the Prophet Mohammed saw.
Delete2. can allah's law be implemented in m'sia? yes, provided that both offences and punishments are 100% allah's word, tidak lebih & tidak kurang.
3. you may also want to ask whether 'hudud' can be enforced on non-muslims as well & my ansnwer is no way and why? refer medina charter (is it not part of the propeht's sunnah?).
4. god's party means political parties such as pas or umno (baru)?
Hadi has said that the hudud/ syariah law shall NOT be imposed on the nons,and I support that.
DeleteThere is no compulsion in religion and here is the warning against any abuse of non-Muslims in an Islamic society: Prophet Muhammad S.A.W (PBUH) said,
"Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain to Allah against that person on the Day of Judgment." [~ As narrated by Abu Dawud]
interesting read from all kawan. but the most interesting part we wish to know is how the law not imposed on the non?
Deletesome mahu 1 school n some against, both have their point, economy pun sama, oso sort of segregation, some complain not fair n some justify with citizenship, okay both oso got point, now law (punishment) pun dua, practically can it be done? any reference in the modern society?
Common la Rhan, why are you so kan cheong one?
DeleteYou are still allowed to follow your own belief and the rules of your religion and perform actions, although forbidden in Islam, are permitted by your faith such as drinking alcohol, eating pork, etc etc. There is no way that you are classed as a second class citizen if hudud is implemented.
BTW HY.. "The Ottoman system had three court systems: one for Muslims, one for non-Muslims, involving appointed Jews and Christians ruling over their respective religious communities, and the "trade court".
DeleteIt's TOTALLY CRAP to say that - There is no Islamic precedent for what IS/ISIL/DAESH had done or is doing now.
ReplyDeleteThose who said so, SHOULD dissect the historical events happened before & after the Mecca accord.
Ditto with the Medina accord.
In fact, cruelties, against the teaching of a compassionated ONE, were the norm towards the kafirs, who incidentally were also the creation of that omnipotent god, if going by their holy book.
Any sopo learners (students, teachers & researchers), of any higher academic institutes in the world SHOULD be able to confirm the nought of that plugged-from-the-air statement.
The following is the saying from Prophet Muhammad Rasulullah s.a.w. (PBUH):
Delete"Ketepikanlah perlaksanaan hukum melibatkan hudud apabila didapati ada keraguan dalam kes berkenaan. Elaklah ia (dengan menjatuhkan hukum lain) sedaya upaya kamu. Apabila ada ruang untuk melepaskan dari dikenakan hudud berilah laluan baginya. Sesungguhnya imam apabila tersalah menjatuhkan hukum dengan meringankannya kepada pesalah atau membebaskannya adalah lebih baik daripada menjatuhkan hukum dengan siksaan yang berat"
[~ Hadis Rasulullah s.a.w. - Riwayatkan al-Sayuti, al Harith dalam musnad Imam Abu Hassan, Ibnu Majah, al Tirmizi, al Hakim dan al Bayhaqi].
But you CK would NOT believe it because you would say it is man-made; it is NOT from ALLAH. Thus, cannot be applied? So how? Nought? Plugged from the air? But if the statement or the saying is from sopo learners or experts, even though it is man-made, it is perfectly believable! Wakakaka..
I like "Apabila ada ruang untuk melepaskan dari dikenakan hudud berilah laluan baginya." That's compassion
DeleteWestern justice doctrine - it's better to release a thousand guilty than to punish one innocent
Moron..just quoting some surat, claimed to be made by god by some ulama, then it's HIS words.
DeleteU might claim that yr Faith needs no proof. But, unfortunately for any Faith, there must be fairplays in its content for it to be judged as the earthly representative of the ONE.
If the faith shows inconsistency in its content/judgement, then something is wrong.
Either that faith is man-made or that idea has been hijacked.
Ain't that the cases in the content of yr holy book?
Who to be blamed?
Yr god?
Or yr God's words translators?
Surely, yr god can't be wrong. Thus, yr 'learnt' ulamas were/are wrong.
QED
Betul tak?
BTW, before u perfect yr wakakaking, re-read my takes about the Mecca&Medina accords.
Either, u tak tahu. Or u play dumb. Most likely both...tsk..tsk.
U don't give face to Islam. But then is yr faith truly Islam?
Ayoh.. you start your reply with moron! It only shows that you do not have any credible answer(s) to my argument.
DeleteUnknown said to you good luck in your 'heaven', but I say good luck in hell. Wakakaka..
No credible answers????
DeleteWakakakaka...sigh..
Talk about zombies living in tempurung, nothing beat yr case!
BTW, I'm in peace with wherever I'm going to face.
Unlike u & yr kawan sepondok, till the last breadth u would still going in fear to face yr judgement.
AlJanah?
Ya, in a dream of a zombie.