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Saturday, September 28, 2019

True Cause of Seafield temple riotings

Reading the news on the Seafield Tragedy I obtain the views that matters are not so simply laid out as the Inquest has announced, that there was criminality involved in the murder of Fireman Muhammad Adib Mohd Kassim.


Coroner said that if the police had done their duties, there would not have been a raging fire at the temple which then would not have required the fire service which then would not have involved firemen which then would not have put Fireman Adib at the sharp end, and which then would not have ended in his tragedy. Such was the lamentable chain of events leading to the brutal bashing and murder of poor Adib.

And it's a murder that now still needs tdo be proven beyond reasonable doubt by a police who was poor performing in the first place, and whose investigation into the murder now I trust won't end up in a farce of further brutality and forced confessions.

But the public views are still very diverse, depending on ethnicity.

Whilst the Ummah rejoices in the coroner's findings that Adib was murdered, some Hindu's are unhappy, pointing their fingers to the developers who allegedly brought in thugs to "... desecrate the Hindu temple while the devotees were praying ..." presumably to remove Hindus from the temple designed for demolition. And thus a "riot" broke out between unauthorised "demolishers" and "temple defenders".


Not only that, temple sympathisers claimed some politicians stirred further sh*t by attributing the riots to a racial clash.

Whilst one may term the clash as 'religious' there';s no denying it was also 'racial', but such arguments aside, poor Adib perished under wicked brutal circumstances for a first line responder. It's eff-ing different from the Kerling situation and I detest such blind aggravations which sadly killed a fireman.

Even if true that developers sent in thugs to chase away devotees, many Temple-Stay sympathisers FAILED to ponder for a moment why they did so (wrong as that was). 

Let me re-cycle an old post (26 Dec 2018) titled
Seafield Indian Temple - Is "New" Malaysia condoning disobedience to Court ruling? for you to peruse my original take on the tragedy, as follows:

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Seafield Indian Temple - Is "New" Malaysia condoning disobedience to Court ruling?

The Malay-Muslims of all sectors including some Pakatan Harapan racists (eg. Pribumi Party) are out to get Waythamoorthy for his much-criticised part in the Seafield Sri Maha Mariamman temple riots and also in the associated tragic death of an innocent and public-service dedicated fireman, Muhammad Adib.


Whether Waytha deserves those condemnations of his role, utterance, action or non-action remains to be debated. But I once again refer to my previous post (23 Dec 18) Seafield temple - my take in which I opined (selected extracts):


Deep within the heart of the riots at the Seafield Sri Maha Mariamman temple, lies the original cause of the turmoil that eventually resulted in the tragic death of fireman Muhammad Adib.

T'was the factional battle between two rival Hindu groups, one of which is supposedly the authorised-legal group representing the temple and another group opposed to the decisions of the (former) authorised group, namely to re-locate
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The authorised group headed by (as reported in FMT) K Chellappa, has on 11 March 2014 agreed to a re-location with approval by the Shah Alam High Court, the Selangor State Government, One City Development, and to return the vacant site to the owner.




K. Chellappa

However, another temple faction headed by (as reported by FMT) Nagaraju, who also claimed to be the temple’s administrator, opposed that re-location. The faction insisted that the temple should remain in its present location.

As part of the consent judgment, One City agreed to donate RM1.5 million for the construction of a new temple on one of two plots of land given by the company. After the temple gave up the rights to one of the two plots of land, One City gave it another RM1 million in compensation.


That was the lawful, legal and proper course of action to be taken, where it would have been a win-win-win situation for the 3 involved parties of the Temple, Developer and State government, with the mutual consent approved by the court.

Yet by unruliness and the tragic consequences of a rioting, the pro-Stay faction has won the day. I recall very distinctively that PM Mahathir said the law must be adhered to.

But the end result has gone the other way, where now the temple will NOT be re-located, despite and in spite of a court consent ruling.

Is this going to be the norm, that if we don't like the law, we get our way through unruliness?

Yesterday FMT published In defence of Syed Saddiq, Waytha’s head must roll; selected extracts follow:

The mayhem could have been avoided. The temple’s management should have settled the dispute among themselves and abided by the court’s settlement.

It was a win-win situation where more than one-acre of land was allocated for the temple to be relocated apart from 1.5 million by the developer, One City Development.

But when they refused to relocate despite taking the money and the land, and to abide by the court’s decision, it was a recipe for a commotion or rather a pandemonium
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The above words parallel mine in my post Seafield temple - my take written 2 days earlier, though as I've written, I am not blaming Waytha for the riots or ensuing tragic fracas as yet.

Leaving the blame-game against Waytha aside, even Dr Ramasamy (DCM II Penang) agrees, stating (in FMT): It is true that if all the parties, including the temple authorities, adhered to the court settlement, the fracas could have been avoided.


But in his eagerness to defend Waytha and what happened to the temple riots and re-location after the death of poor Adib, he spoiled his above words by adding:

But the point is why the temple, which was promised a piece of land by the previous government, had to be relocated?

Why the temple had to be re-located???

Hello there my dear Dr Rama, have you read the narrative on the temple's re-location as approved the High Court in 2014? Let me re-iterate what is known, to wit:

The authorised group headed by (as reported in FMT) K Chellappa, has on 11 March 2014 agreed to a re-location with approval by the Shah Alam High Court, the Selangor State Government, One City Development, and to return the vacant site to the owner.

As part of the consent judgment, One City agreed to donate RM1.5 million for the construction of a new temple on one of two plots of land given by the company. After the temple gave up the rights to one of the two plots of land, One City gave it another RM1 million in compensation.

That was the lawful, legal and proper course of action to be taken, where it would have been a win-win-win situation for the 3 involved parties of the Temple, Developer and State government, with the mutual consent approved by the court.

I had also written that another temple faction, the unauthorised faction (unauthorised and a vexatious litigator as determined by the court) opposed that agreed re-location. The faction insisted obdurately that the temple should remain in its present location.

Is Dr Rama arguing that the UNauthorised faction has been correct in its refusal to adhere to a legal Court, temple, developer and state government agreement to relocate?


Why ask such a STUPID question like 'Why the temple had to be re-located'???

Muhammad Adib would have been alive today to marry his fiance if the UNauthorised faction had not stubbornly dug their heels in against a legal and Court sanction re-location, which subsequent actions snowballed the consequences into a tragedy?

Forget about Waytha and how much blame he has to bear? It's actually the refusal of an UNauthorised temple faction and its rebellious illegal objection to an agreement among the Temple, State, Developer, all overseen by the High Court, that has been the root cause.

Why is Dr Ramasamy supporting unruliness of the UNauthorised illegal pro-Stay faction? You are no longer in the Opposition but as part of the ruling Pakatan government of the day.

I also recall very distinctively that PM Mahathir said the law must be adhered to. Why wasn't it in the case of the Seafield Sri Maha Mariamman temple?

It is wrong, unjust and legally-disgusting that the so-called "New" Malaysia is condoning disobedience to Court ruling and allowing the temple to NOT re-locate.

Yes, all that despite and in spite of a court consent ruling. This is DOUBLE INJUSTICE.

Is this going to be the norm in "New" Malaysia, that if we don't like the law, we get our way through unruliness?





After-Note - NST reported 14 Feb 2019:


Shah Alam High Court judge Datuk Wong Kian Kheong dismissed an application from 50 Hindu devotees of the temple for an interlocutory injunction to stop One City Development Sdn Bhd, the owner and developer of the temple site, from entering the premises for the purpose of demolition.

In the end the Stay-people lost.


13 comments:

  1. rule of law work in most western n democracy countries, eg the one u live in, n some colony like hk, at least used to be.

    the developer sent in thug right? no action from enforcement n police right? so wheres the law? what make us think the faction that insist no relocate have to observe the law? the true cause is no one believe in our rule of law, just like no hkers believe in ccp rule of law.

    nationalism n race override law, malay chinese indian no diff, msia china n perhaps india oso no diff. no wonder many prefer live in the hypo west.

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    1. Mfer, die2 u still want to put on yr 2cents worth of twisted fart!

      Common & ordinary people DON'T care about the governing ideology. All they want IS peace & harmony for them to etch out a decent living. Most of them r law abiding citizen!

      HK 废青 DON'T believe on CCP rule of law bcoz they r glasshouse strawberries that know no other living conditions except those that they have been indoctrinated!

      Mfer, goes to pommieland NOW & see how many pommies believe in the current administration. Ditto with Venezuela & Ukraine commoners with their disenchantments with the so called rule of law as stipulated under the western democracy!

      Thus, proven ONLY distressed citizenry WILL play up nationalism & race, & religion too, to displace the principles of rule of law that is so essential to the foundation of peace & harmony.

      They play race, religion & nationalism cards to the extreme as they believed their current distressed situation is the fault of the poor governance - which indirectly implies the status of the rule of law, as currently practiced by the administration, is fraudulent & can't be trusted.

      Perhaps, yr tempurung IS the best place for u to fart about yr demoncracy. & remember DON'T let those foul gases leak out to pollute the peace & harmony that yr rotten garden eggs won't be able to fathom & filter!

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    2. who said dun care? people go to vote, people express their politipal view freely, govt get it legitimacy from election, unlike ccp via gun n killing. go reread locke voltaire n rousseau so that u can create a new civil right with chinese characteristics...zombie can hv either peace or chaos, no other option.

      btw, bila u mahu ambil ccp passport?

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    3. Didn't u twist the established sopo views AGAIN to vent yr inconsequential rants?

      What have locke voltaire & rousseau mentioned in their enlightenment upstands that u DON'T understand?

      Voltaire believed that the best form of government was a monarchy that was advised by philosophers. He believed that the Church and government were corrupt.

      Locke argues for a limited liberal, democratic form of government, and said that the purpose of government is to protect natural rights.

      One vowed for an absolute powered (monarchy) administration with chosen advisors. While the other supported limited liberal, democratic form of government!

      Mfer, sounds familiar? Or u buat tak tau bcoz u have never studied both thinkers in detail! Or u r scanning the book covers just to showcase u have read them?

      Both of them advocating natural rights under absolute or limited liberalism.

      Mfer, what's yr understanding of NATURAL RIGHTS of the citizenry?

      Peace & harmony under a good & benevolent Governance Structure!

      Only mfer, like u, would want chaos & lawlessness likeen to those in HK now in upholding yr demoncratic principle!

      Mfer, who r u to dictate my passport holding?

      Perhaps u should reread the writings of the Formosa 皇民 to refresh yr fart choked mind!

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    4. so the chinese natural right is limited to peace n harmony hand out by ccp? malaysiatwn no peace meh? europe no peace meh? usacanada no peace meh? oznz no peace meh? dun just deep read, shallow understanding oso can help, especially to zombie.

      i am fine if u dun hold ccp pasport, just like i am perfectly fine u attend anglo u wakaka.

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    5. Mfer, what a twist!

      No, not only the chinese natural right is limited to peace n harmony hand out by CCP?

      Every administration is responsible for the peace & harmony of their citizen under the prevailing sopo conditions!

      Thus, m'sia, Europe etc etc.

      F*cked head likes u only want to see western demoncracy to thrill, comes what may!

      Thus, as reflected in the untold sufferings of the blurred/collateralized citizen under the failed Arab Spring!

      If u r fine with anything WHY then yr indisputable hatred for CCP? In short, u r just a 纨袴子弟 doing pure CCP hatemongering to vent yr inconsequential farts!

      Typical exhibition of a petrified brain processed by zombie le.

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    6. so whats chinese natural right? write so long say so little, in fact zilch.

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    7. Mfer, that's WHY u r a RD!

      Peace & harmony to live a decent life!

      Comprehendi?

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  2. Ccp passport better than colonial worshipper. Caucasian wanna be with thick chinese slang of english.anywhere thay stay betray own country.

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    1. peibi, first of all, dun use colonial language, use yr mother language.

      secondly, could it be yr ignorance n unimaginative mind that cocoon u in the current socio-political condition to sée the wider perspective, hence all u could do is to label others betray own country like what umno usually did?

      finally read more book from caucasian, its not a bad habit.

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    2. Wakakakaka…

      "…all u could do is to label others betray own country…"

      Ain't pigeonholing yr favourite pass time?

      What makes u when u r practising - don't do what I do, just do what I say?

      A munafik mfer that knows no shame!

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    3. nope, i just remind u all wheres the magic mirror.

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    4. & who's the one that consistently ignore that mirror, even though I a cracked one?

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