tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post7726828835616011487..comments2024-03-28T23:42:23.455+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: Hudud, the genie who won't return to the bottleKTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-6372519444836084812009-01-17T03:39:00.000+08:002009-01-17T03:39:00.000+08:00and didn't you claim you would be better than them...and didn't you claim you would be better than them? How?KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-26836178693509245832009-01-17T00:59:00.000+08:002009-01-17T00:59:00.000+08:00"how you persecute your opponents to prosecute the..."how you persecute your opponents to prosecute them."<BR/><BR/>In case you haven't notice, your favoured BN has been doing that for donkeys years...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-42100821588833762892009-01-16T20:28:00.000+08:002009-01-16T20:28:00.000+08:00that's a pretty long long long jump of conclusion,...that's a pretty long long long jump of conclusion, from 'helping' to 'blowing up a woman'. As I had said, I'm glad you guys aren't in power if that's how you persecute your opponents to prosecute them.KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-59322213611044264962009-01-16T17:33:00.000+08:002009-01-16T17:33:00.000+08:00In case you have forgotten, a person got blown to ...In case you have forgotten, a person got blown to bits as a result of that "help".<BR/><BR/>In a less politically-controlled jurisdiction, e.g. Australia, where I believe you are now residing, the person who arranged that "help" would be facing some very serious questions indeed.<BR/>The best advice to him would be to get a good lawyer, pronto.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-13926508618629415272009-01-16T16:07:00.000+08:002009-01-16T16:07:00.000+08:00;-) this is ridiculous - why would Najib's ADC be ...;-) this is ridiculous - why would Najib's ADC be open to prosecution? for what?<BR/><BR/>... for asking a fellow police officer to help Baginda regarding a woman harassing him?<BR/><BR/>Sure am glad you guys aren't in power if that's how you prosecute or more correctly, persecute your opponents!KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12018893363551120035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-42487008408471898142009-01-16T14:55:00.000+08:002009-01-16T14:55:00.000+08:00Ktemoc,Don't be too quick to dismiss this. It does...Ktemoc,<BR/>Don't be too quick to dismiss this. It doesn't mean Najib's guilty of murder.<BR/><BR/>But it means there is strong reason to believe he is somewhere involved in Altantuya's death. His ADC definitely needs to be his witness. Unless the ADC swears he acted in his personal capacity (which opens him to prosecution), we have to go up the chain of command.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-34761403019158214342009-01-16T08:28:00.000+08:002009-01-16T08:28:00.000+08:00witch? what a terrible hurtful description of a wo...witch? what a terrible hurtful description of a woman murdered.<BR/><BR/>help Razak Baginda? does that mean Najib's guilty of murder? there's more wishful hope here than reason, logic or evidence - wakakakakakakakakaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-72993308984960487662009-01-15T15:30:00.000+08:002009-01-15T15:30:00.000+08:00Side issue, but relevant since we are talking abou...Side issue, but relevant since we are talking about the Kuala Terengganu by-election.<BR/><BR/>The Mongolian witch refuses to rest in peace.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/16012-azilah-says-najibs-adc-instructed-him-to-help-razak-baginda" REL="nofollow">Azilah says Najib's ADC instructed him to help Razak Baginda </A><BR/><BR/><B>Last 1 1/2 days of campaigning, and Najib becomes an issue again - <I>The curse of the Mongolian witch </I></B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-64172670826742755502009-01-15T14:46:00.000+08:002009-01-15T14:46:00.000+08:00Int, unfortunately, as for all political parties p...Int, unfortunately, as for all political parties practising robust democratic ideals, like the DAP does, there cannot always be <I>only-sokong-sokong-sokong-the-leader-regardless</I> as we see in a certain party.<BR/><BR/>Karpal Singh as the chairperson of the DAP has already threatened to pull the DAP out of the Pakatan Rakyat if PAS and more importantly PKR do not retreat from PAS’ avowed intention to implement the hudud when it comes to power - see http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/96415<BR/><BR/>Yet, Lim GE and Teresa Kok and a few others are still campaigning enthusiastically for PAS as part of the PR unified effort. Obviously, like you and observer, they see the objective of defeating UMNO as far more important than the need to stand against PAS’ hudud intention<BR/><BR/>Lim KS has spoken out against the hudud but he has been less unequivocal as Karpal, so I would say he stands somewhere between political principles and political pragmatism.<BR/><BR/>I stand with Karpal Singh as I see a greater danger in the hudud than UMNO corrupt rule. <BR/><BR/>Thus, we cannot assume the entire DAP is committed to PAS winning despite its avowed intention to implement the hudud when it comes to power.<BR/><BR/>On a separate issue, you have been right to point out Anwar’s half-hearted and insincere campaigning for DAP in the Machap by-election, but that’s hardly surprising because Anwar hasn’t been and still isn’t sincerely enthusiastic about the PR or anyone, unless it’s about him, him and himself.<BR/><BR/>To Anwar, the PR is merely a convenient platform, to be used as a pressure foil against UMNO, for him to leverage himself back into UMNO.<BR/><BR/>It is in these highly differentiated commitments (by DAP for its coalition partners as opposed to that by Anwar and PKR for DAP) that I see the truth in what you said about DAP's disaster in 1999: <I>DAP, of all parties, suffered for the faults of others, which is clearly a warped and self-defeating logic</I>: because in years to come (perhaps in 2013), when the non-Muslim and even many Muslim voters are looking for the culprit behind PAS successful push for hudud, it’ll be the DAP (by then, perhaps minus the party’s stalwart Karpal Singh) who will cop it sweet.KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-11638944399908322792009-01-15T13:52:00.000+08:002009-01-15T13:52:00.000+08:00Observer said:"Apart from the Malay heartland in K...Observer said:<BR/><BR/>"Apart from the Malay heartland in Kelantan and Kedah, there is no PR state government which can be formed without DAP and/or substantial non-Muslim support."<BR/><BR/>I wish this were true, but sadly I don't think it is. "Ketuanan Melayu" governments could arise in Perak at least, and possibly in Selangor as well, if UMNO were to somehow forge an alliance with PAS.<BR/><BR/>But Ktemoc, I am in complete disagreement with you here. I don't think a vote for PAS is a vote for Hudud. It can't be, seeing as DAP is in the thick of it, while at the same time Karpal is playing secularist fullback with such tenacity. DAP is anti Hudud, of that there is no doubt, right? With DAP campaigning for PAS in KT, it becomes clear (to me at least) that this is *not* a referrendum on Hudud.<BR/><BR/>If you really trust DAP, why second guess them on this? A boycott (or at least a half-hearted campaign contribution ala-Anwar Ibrahim in Machap) was looking imminent until very recently, so it's not like they had no choice but to kowtow to the PR groupthink and campaign in KT. When push came to shove, DAP is putting up the goods, and that should be acknowledged, otherwise this is a repeat performance of 1999 when DAP, of all parties, suffered for the faults of others, which is clearly a warped and self-defeating logic.<BR/><BR/>PAS' leverage over DAP comes in the form of PKR, which is why DAP's efforts must be rewarded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-51490902713187740742009-01-15T13:41:00.000+08:002009-01-15T13:41:00.000+08:00KTI am in full agreement with you here. How can An...KT<BR/><BR/>I am in full agreement with you here. How can Anwar the GSOS support Hudud laws(even though he claims it is only for Muslims) when on the other hand he speaks so passionately about civil society, human rights, freedom of speech and other First World democratic ideals ? While he would like us to believe that only he could lead Malaysia into 21st century, but his support for Hudud indicates that DSAI more likely will drag us back to the 15th century.<BR/><BR/>The suggestion that people should vote for PAS in order to punish UMNO is not just idiotic but also will be a highly dangerous "shoot-ourselves-in-the-feet" policy to pursue. If UMNO wins, it will make no difference as this seat was held by them before. But if PAS wins, this will give them more confidence and stronger leverage over DAP. Worse still, if the KT Chinese ignore the Hudud issue and vote PAS, these Malaysian Talibans likely to view the vote as an endorsement of the Chinese community for Hudud.<BR/><BR/>DAP already having problem managing Anwar and PAS from implementing Hudud and by increasing the PAS representation in the Parliament will only make their jobs harder. UMNO might be morally and materially bankrupt but they have proven over the last 51 years that they would not implement Hudud. However, PAS and PKR have clearly will make Malaysia an Islamic Republic ala Afganistan (under Taliban) or Iran if they form the Federal government.<BR/><BR/>I believe DAP's strategy of supporting PAS is a short-sighted one that will one day prove to be highly damaging to the party.Killerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580597986796672384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-19183255135699987222009-01-15T13:24:00.000+08:002009-01-15T13:24:00.000+08:00I love this shot by Haris IbrahimPAS vs. DAP ? - T...I love this shot by Haris Ibrahim<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://harismibrahim.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nik-aziz-speaking.jpg?w=480&h=359" REL="nofollow">PAS vs. DAP ? - Take a look</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-77991975703592547972009-01-15T12:50:00.000+08:002009-01-15T12:50:00.000+08:00Its sheer hypocrisy to call to support UMNO in KT ...Its sheer hypocrisy to call to support UMNO in KT over the huddud issue.<BR/><BR/>Does UMNO oppose Huddud ? NO !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-69686867060524333382009-01-15T12:30:00.000+08:002009-01-15T12:30:00.000+08:00I am unequivocal in my principles and what I stand...I am unequivocal in my principles and what I stand for.<BR/><BR/>I oppose the corruption and decadence which the Barisan Nasional government stands for and will continue to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-89260020782764775782009-01-15T12:19:00.000+08:002009-01-15T12:19:00.000+08:00Our political principles, commitment and support s...Our political principles, commitment and support shouldn't work the way. We have to be <B>unequivocal</B> about what we stand for. If we (Muslims as well as non Muslims) do not accept hudud, we must send an unequivocal message, in the same principled manner that Karpal Singh has done.<BR/><BR/>We cannot on one hand, for example, sympathise with and support the cause of Lina Joy, and then, in hypocritical fashion, do a volte-face when it comes to the unofficial plebiscite on hudud in Kuala Terengganu.<BR/><BR/>We would be virtually saying to Lina Joy, tough shit sweetie, we are politically supporting your execution for apostacy coz we want to vote for PAS in order to keep alive a so-called reform (the obscene irony being that the so-called Mr Reformasi has demonstrated examples of deformed politics rather than reformed politics).<BR/><BR/>We can rationalise all we want with the number games but once the hudud proponents have a foot in the door, we will see the beginning of the end of secular/civil laws, and not long after, perhaps even the Saudi way of having regular decapitations after Friday mosque prayers, at the whims and fancies of the local ayatollahs.KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-41555104266346253172009-01-15T09:29:00.000+08:002009-01-15T09:29:00.000+08:00Lets look at the reality of the numbers.Apart from...Lets look at the reality of the numbers.<BR/><BR/>Apart from the Malay heartland in Kelantan and Kedah, there is no PR state government which can be formed without DAP and/or substantial non-Muslim support. Same with any imaginable PR Federal Government, if it wins the next GE.<BR/><BR/>So DAP effectively holds a veto over any Hudud moves by PAS or even PKR. The only way they can get pass this and get the needed Constitutional amendement - is if they form a Super-Muslim coalition of UMNO-PAS-PKR (without its non-Muslim support-which is substantial). <BR/><BR/>Look, if the Muslims in Malaysia EVER get sufficient consensus on this issue to want Hudud, there is nothing the DAP and the non-Muslims can do to block it anyway. <BR/>By that time, we would have effectively become another Pakistan.<BR/><BR/>It won't happen in my lifetime, or even yours. Nothing is impossible, of course. If that happens, I should just go back to my ancestor's land in Balik Pulau and plant fruit trees, forget about politics and just wait for my time to come...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-82393933268964757542009-01-15T08:29:00.000+08:002009-01-15T08:29:00.000+08:00Brighteyes, your "Pakatan at least has 2 parties t...Brighteyes, your <I>"Pakatan at least has 2 parties that are able to veto PAS"</I> may not be all that reliable as Karpal Singh has just lambasted Anwar for acquiescing to PAS' hudud.<BR/><BR/>I don't blame Anwar so much for his desire to avoid offending the conservative Muslims/Malays as for his fallacious 'assurance' to non Muslims that "hudud is OK coz it's not applicable to them" - that's patently not correct with Karpal Singh describing Anwar's misleading assurance as a fallacy (a deceptive, misleading, or false notion).<BR/><BR/>Anwar hasn't changed from his UMNO ways/days - I believe when push comes to shove, he will let the Pakatan Rakyat supporters down.<BR/><BR/>But while I, as someone who has voted for the DAP, would and should logically support PR to win, I believe the KT by-election has to be an exception as it has unfortunately transformed into a indirect plebiscite (despite PAS and PKR denials) on non-Muslims' attitude towards PAS' intention to implement hudud.<BR/><BR/>If PAS wins, it will lay claim that non Muslims have indicated their acceptance of Sharia laws for Malaysia. Hence I am not supporting PAS on this particular by-election.<BR/><BR/>As I discussed with a friend last night, we need to look at the bigger pictrure because if we worry about and just focus on the UMNO musang stealing our chickens, we may allow the hudud python to sneak up and swallow us whole.<BR/><BR/>As I had blogged, hudud as a code of legal punishment, once accepted (mnore so by non Muslim Malaysians, would be like a draconian genie who won't and can't be made to return to the bottle.KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-27281323440859595282009-01-15T01:33:00.000+08:002009-01-15T01:33:00.000+08:00Hm, on the outset... Kuala Trengganu is a situatio...Hm, on the outset... Kuala Trengganu is a situation of being trapped between the devil & the sea. A choice between a ethnocentric party & a theocratic party... though the majority of its voters are your heartland Muslim Malays.<BR/><BR/>Looking closer however, PAS is willing to sit down & discuss... while UMNO has (and still has) this "my way or the highway"/"u tak suka u keluar" attitude.<BR/><BR/>Also, UMNO will not hesitate to jump on the hudud bandwagon later on if they think its what it takes to out-Islamize PAS. Pakatan at least has 2 parties that are able to veto PAS... while the BN component parties are just dragged around by Tuan Besar UMNO.<BR/><BR/>If UMNO wins, it will think it has been accepted back & continue with its arrogant racial attitude. Thats why I'm a little partial towards a PAS win on Saturday.<BR/><BR/>But lets see how it goes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-67387619552119312292009-01-14T23:23:00.000+08:002009-01-14T23:23:00.000+08:00The stress which many businesses are facing today ...The stress which many businesses are facing today has little to do with alleged "trouble making" by PR, a lot more to do with the financial crisis in the major Western economies.<BR/><BR/>If you must find someone local to blame, you might as well blame the BN regimes which ran the five states up to a short 10 months ago, and BN had run them for the last 50 years.<BR/><BR/>I hardly equate PAS with the Taliban. This trivialises the murderous nature of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan when it was in power.<BR/><BR/>"UMNO and MCA can have their take...as long as I can survive" - that's precisely the kind of mentality which BN to rob the country blind for the last 50 years...<BR/><BR/><B>You make me want to vomit </B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-4066182140662406212009-01-14T22:13:00.000+08:002009-01-14T22:13:00.000+08:00DAP supporting PAS candidate who's party want to i...DAP supporting PAS candidate who's party want to implement Hudud law, and DAP promoting it to the chinese in KT. People have short memories, forgotten what the Taliban have done to Afghanistan, SIGH!!!!.........<BR/><BR/>Malaysian politics is exactly like the many Chinese movie, Heros and heroines rise and team up to support supposedly a virtuous leaders with good causes, together they fought to dethrone the devil. But later these people have to fight a more difficult battle to bring down those leaders they supported when their leaders turn out to be demon. At the end very few survive and the cycle repeated again and again. <BR/><BR/>I am no hero. after all the experience of PR governing five states and denying BN the two third majoring is bitter lessons for me, In the last ten months I have seen a lot, the people clearly have been deceived by DAP and PK, now I am backing MCA. UNMO and MCA can have the take, I don't care as long as I can survive, but with the trouble making PR many people are dying.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-22127800919295109342009-01-14T18:38:00.000+08:002009-01-14T18:38:00.000+08:00UMNO-run government already imposes cruel and inhu...UMNO-run government already imposes cruel and inhumane punishments under Islamic law - this one in Pahang.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/15961-caning-for-liquor-consumption-too-heavy-a-syariah-court-sentence" REL="nofollow">Pahang Syariah court sentences Six strokes of the Rotan for Muslim couple for consuming alcohol in Public - including the Woman</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-57940843718205245652009-01-14T18:24:00.000+08:002009-01-14T18:24:00.000+08:00Good to be here!I have to agree with Observer, whi...Good to be here!<BR/>I have to agree with Observer, while Ktemoc has some sensible points.<BR/><BR/>My 2 sen would be that while we hold armchair debates on hudud, which I believe remains a distant and remote possibility as long as Nik Aziz and the Erdogan faction are among us, we should focus on the current legal system.<BR/><BR/>ISA, OSA, PPPA, UUCA, Dangerous Drugs Act and Emergency Ordinance (among others) are here to turn Malaysia into a hidden police state. While hudud requires a constitutional amendment and deep changes (at last, thanks to the latest General Elections), the above laws are fully in place. They mean most public documents are hidden from public access for fancy reasons, people are put into jail for indefinite time for little justification, editors and students have to lick BN barons and so on and so forth. To me, this requires much more attention than hudud.<BR/><BR/>Likewise, in the dual justice system we are now living in with some civil (inheritance, divorce, etc.) and criminal law ("apostasy", drinking alcohol etc.) being used as a cruel divider in the Malaysian society.<BR/>Just allow these two examples: how many spouses and children of secret Muslim converts will be expelled from their home by JAKIM and the like this year? Does caning tally with beer drinking while corrupt UMNO freely exhibits its wealth and corrupt ways (eg F class contractors' lucky draw in KT).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-78872470899826002582009-01-14T18:00:00.000+08:002009-01-14T18:00:00.000+08:00Elections, are, unfortunately a zero-sum game, unl...Elections, are, unfortunately a zero-sum game, unless you chose not to vote at all, which I don't count as a responsible choice.<BR/><BR/>So its down to BN, PAS or the independent. <BR/>The independent would basically be a wasted vote.<BR/><BR/>Me, vote for BN, after the putrid display of electoral vote buying in the last two weeks ? And the way the Mentri Besar practically threatened the Chinese community yesterday ?<BR/><BR/>NO WAY !<BR/><BR/>I will be making the long drive back to KT tomorrow morning...and PAS is my choice, warts, Hudud and all...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-65538901654678491192009-01-14T17:18:00.000+08:002009-01-14T17:18:00.000+08:00Vote BN - the reliable, dependable and moderate pa...<B>Vote BN - the reliable, dependable and moderate party</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-1999349312092930432009-01-14T16:05:00.000+08:002009-01-14T16:05:00.000+08:00My attitude towards PKR and Anwar is like taking a...My attitude towards PKR and Anwar is like taking a public bus. <BR/><BR/>I neither like nor dislike the bus.<BR/>If they are going roughly the same way I want to go, I will continue to sit on the bus. If it doesn't look like they are keeping to the route, that's where I get off.<BR/><BR/>Hudud will need a 2/3 majority in Parliament. It won't happen. I haven't lost any sleep over Hudud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com