tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post7382053939466251741..comments2024-03-29T11:50:34.283+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: BN government vindictive towards Penangites?KTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-34251405581477036662008-06-27T14:46:00.000+08:002008-06-27T14:46:00.000+08:00Lucia & KTemocELEVATED moving walkways - not at ro...Lucia & KTemoc<BR/>ELEVATED moving walkways - not at road level. Leave the roads alone to the cars, buses, lorries and hee hee hawkers, cultural activities. Being above the traffic, there are no such things as traffic jams that make a mockery of bus time tables.<BR/>These are prefab modular light aluminium sections which can be assembled quick and cheap, and expanded when money and interest is there. KL monorail and LRT took a long time to build. Terrible piling works and land problems, hell of expensive. Limited routes and areas covered, dependence on limited number of made-to-order motorised carriages, dangerous electrified routes. No need to mention bail out. Difficulties for commuters to reach stations and parking needs. Sardine like jams. No - you won't like it once you have been there and experienced the disadvantages.<BR/><BR/>For elevated moving walkways, you can just keep adding blocks of adjoining or independent blocks to serve areas with traffic or move them about as needed. It is impossible to do so with LRT or monorail.<BR/>Looking at it from industrial cargo moving or airport baggage moving angle, it can either continuous moving walkway or small motorised standplates that automatically zip the standees with baggage or shopping holding on to a pole or rail from place to place along the block circuit. There is no need for big fancy expensive touristy carriages and special tilting mechanisms etc. Such kinds of things would not be difficult for local manufacturers to make.<BR/>Mr TAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-70355556293461434072008-06-27T11:41:00.000+08:002008-06-27T11:41:00.000+08:00moving walkways as a means of transportation on th...moving walkways as a means of transportation on the road? but for people (and bags) only? what about vehicles? we are also talking about vehicles on the road when we talk about transportation. er... i don't think the idea of moving walkways (if i understand the concept correctly) is feasible. long ago, when i was a child, i had all the time dreamed that the pavement or walkways/sideways (whatever) on the roads are moving walkways so that we don't have to walk at all but i guess it was a silly kiddy idea.<BR/><BR/>KT, i share the same idea as you regarding the lumping of PORR and monorail. to me, as i blog, PORR can go porr-aahh! as i don't care for PORR at all but i think the monorail is a good idea.luciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02351637920885427050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-6769076911525283842008-06-27T03:25:00.000+08:002008-06-27T03:25:00.000+08:00anon of 11:46 PM, an innovative proposal, thanksanon of 11:46 PM, an innovative proposal, thanksKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-79477497236496941132008-06-26T23:46:00.000+08:002008-06-26T23:46:00.000+08:00Looking at it, actually it is a truly win-win situ...Looking at it, actually it is a truly win-win situation. The people of Penang benefit hugely by not having ill conceived PORR and monorail which would cause more problems than benefits. The country saves huge amounts of money from cost overruns and variation orders. Anyway the two projects were dead and not so profitable the moment BN lost Penang and the ability to bulldoze land and route appropriation for the benefit of the sponsors.<BR/>Even the 2nd Penang Bridge is a dubious and extravagant idea. Much cheaper if they add a train or tram line across the existing bridge to do away with the need for so much car and lorry traffic.<BR/>Looking at KL, one can see that monorail and LRT are two dumb old copycat ideas of people stuck in the past. The major disadvantages are the heavy, strong and expensive structures required which severely restrict the areas and routes that can be served. Penang is a very small place. Even Klang Valley is a small place. What is needed is a system to move people and bags which can be extended or changed if needed. The simplest solution is just a covered elevated moving walkway like those in KLIA or moving ramps like those at TESCO which can handle carts. The up-down ramps are more bag and people friendly than moving stairs. Just make light prefab aluminium sections to be put up where needed. Each section can be controlled to switch itself off and on with the use of sensors depending on the presence of passengers to save electricity. Each section should be a loop - the moving walkway does not go underneath but goes round and round in one direction around an area/block. Speed is not really that important. Actually the monorail and LRT are damn slow - the distance between stations are too short for speeding up. Congestion, erratic behaviour, bad timing, waiting time, electricity wastage in periods of low traffic of monorail and LRT are really inherent limitations of such systems which do not exist in moving walkways. For that matter, many of the disadvantages also apply to bus systems which also have human driver, management, wages, discipline, ticketing and pollution problems as well.<BR/>Moving walkway users have to carry a debit chipcard, and automatically get charged for using each section. Inspectors can catch those the system detect as not carrying chipcard, to make them buy debit chipcard.<BR/>Mr TAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-44544706810427007462008-06-26T22:58:00.000+08:002008-06-26T22:58:00.000+08:00Never ever trust BN government; still never learn...Never ever trust BN government; still never learn from march 8th. Vengeful and vindictive. See what has happened? Sabah's SAPP voiced out no confidence against the PM, Yong Teck Lee kena ACA investigation. Before that, semua is ok, no problem. Then, in damage control mode, now wants to check the immigrants. Even that, it is doubtful whether it will be effective. Najib said will send illegals back to their countries, but at the same time, it depends on whether their countries want to take them back. For years and years, couldn't be bothered about Sabahans' problems. PM for all Malaysians? Boleh percaya kah?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-67485566106762308182008-06-26T19:41:00.000+08:002008-06-26T19:41:00.000+08:00IMHO, Guang Eng is taking his sweet time cooking B...IMHO, Guang Eng is taking his sweet time cooking BN for the shelves of monorails. <BR/><BR/>In fact, there is so many things a state government can do, especially for Penang state. Unlike Kelantan or Trengganu that are low income people, Penang are one of the 4 high income state in the country, base on the brain, not natural resources.<BR/><BR/>Penang state government will not get support on alternate public transport system if the federal government continue the monorail project. Unlike dense old London, HK city or Singapore, Penang are only 1/10 of the population density, so efficient bus system will cope. <BR/><BR/>In fact, Penang government can implement a carrot and stick traffics system to make people use the public transport.<BR/><BR/>In fact, every RM saved from the people from pumping petrol, will eventually went into the state economy through other spending.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-20074587675852202012008-06-26T18:16:00.000+08:002008-06-26T18:16:00.000+08:00Maybe the sour grape thing was a knee-jerking resp...Maybe the sour grape thing was a knee-jerking response..and UMNO has been known to do things like that..nevertheless, give BN a lil credit in that they remain a POLITICAL party..and if Terengganu is to tell us anything, the BN would want to WIN back Penang, and if so then such "obviously punitive" measures would really be the last thing that they would do. Many have been advocating for trams in Penang..and the green-light on PORR would have a negative impact environmentally in Penang. So maybe with the scrapping of these the monorail and the PORR..other alternatives can now be looked into more seriously?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-11475666302979675572008-06-26T17:51:00.000+08:002008-06-26T17:51:00.000+08:00Perhaps there is a solution, follow the Honorable ...Perhaps there is a solution, follow the Honorable Dr Lim Chong Eu footstep. PR join up with BN to rule. After Gerakan joint BN, Dr Lim went on to built the Penang Bridge and set up Bayan Lepas Free Trade Zone. <BR/><BR/>After all that was a successful proven formula. Penang went on to become very successful and prosperity state for many years. Penang State success begin to decline only after Dr Lim was kicked out by DAP LKS,<BR/><BR/>Without the wise decision from Dr Lim then, I think we may be still planting padi in Bayan Lepas...kekekeke.... Obviously the MNC have uplifted our standard of living of penangites.<BR/><BR/>YB Lim Guan Eng please consider my proposal.<BR/><BR/>Cheers and have a nice dayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-79907392038612986452008-06-26T17:10:00.000+08:002008-06-26T17:10:00.000+08:00Its fast getting to the point I don't have to do a...Its fast getting to the point I don't have to do any more persuading on the legitimacy of kataks. People can see and hear what Badawi, UMNO and Barisan are doing and not doing.<BR/><BR/>I had lunch just now with my DAP friend, who's a bigwig in DAP Padang Kota. Like Karpal Singh, he is or rather was opposed in principle to Frogs.<BR/> <BR/>After the news broke about the Penang monorail project being shelved he was asking me, "When is the Sheikh going to bring his friends over ? Cannot-tahan anymore. These B*st*rds are trying to strangle Penang".<BR/><BR/>I don't know when, lah, but the Sheikh is working on it....kekekekek...<BR/><BR/>Chin Nia Kuai Larn Knia<BR/>Bayan Lepas, Penang.Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05482725674818312298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-64282594564984301182008-06-26T16:51:00.000+08:002008-06-26T16:51:00.000+08:00it's not 'not people-centered'. it's not umno-peo...it's not 'not people-centered'. it's not umno-people-centered, so it's shelved. unless proven otherwise, we'll continue to believe this is so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-75714926364499448882008-06-26T16:43:00.000+08:002008-06-26T16:43:00.000+08:00;-) "PM-for-life" - kk46, don't be melodramatic la...;-) "PM-for-life" - kk46, don't be melodramatic lah, I know you're building up a case of legitimacy for Anwar's deformasi party defections kekekekekeKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-90150899344320189802008-06-26T16:36:00.000+08:002008-06-26T16:36:00.000+08:00Meanwhile, the much-vaunted Badawi judicial reform...Meanwhile, the much-vaunted Badawi judicial reforms have been shelved.<BR/><BR/>The IPCMC is nowhere in sight.<BR/><BR/>Badawi for PM-for-life !Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05482725674818312298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-2869236281624610482008-06-26T16:34:00.000+08:002008-06-26T16:34:00.000+08:00so much for being a PM for all Malaysians.Penang p...so much for being a PM for all Malaysians.<BR/>Penang people should stand up. Next election, kick out the remaining BN fellas. Thats the best response to their vindictiveness.<BR/>meantime, Penangnites should consider DAP Ngor's suggestion on tax payment to the Federal Govt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com