tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post6495148145563927896..comments2024-03-28T23:42:23.455+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: Religion, Religiosity and the "Religious" in MalaysiaKTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-49193872588157547132015-12-20T15:48:41.769+08:002015-12-20T15:48:41.769+08:00My apologies.. typo error for survived and also mo...My apologies.. typo error for survived and also modernization. And perhaps messianic vision should be understood as utopian vision.hasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05663082048545287345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-10262826844912816172015-12-20T14:45:24.476+08:002015-12-20T14:45:24.476+08:00Marx/Engels ~ history is a man-made process which ...Marx/Engels ~ history is a man-made process which could be controlled and modified. Islam was/is an obstacle to the realization of their messianic vision. Thus, Islam must be banished from history. But Islam refused to bury its 15 hundred years of ancient history. It had/ has survivied the demise of its Prophet and Caliphates, European imperialsm and colonization, secularism and modernaization. So, a new strategy is needed to combat Islam. Today, they called it Islamic barbarism/despotism that must be ontologically obliterated by nuclear surgery. No?hasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05663082048545287345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-8086547484122252362015-12-20T11:10:45.194+08:002015-12-20T11:10:45.194+08:00o.O WTFo.O WTFUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03431352248378490137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-13101512908143510612015-12-20T10:51:39.441+08:002015-12-20T10:51:39.441+08:00The administration of society have always been per...The administration of society have always been perilous affair. There is no perfect government, and mankind have come a long way to the present stage of which democratic states so far seem to be the best setup but which still represents an <br />uneasy balance between the various centers of power. Humans cannot be trusted with power, it is rare that a benevolent dictator comes along. The democracies we see now is the evolution of many events of history such as Age of Enlightenment, industrial revolution, French Revolution ......etc<br /><br />Along came Marx with his version of utopia, after dismissing the other utopias, and he gave credence to his own by claiming his to be "scientific".<br /><br />Marx said that the "evil" capitalist system shall eventually give way to the communist system where all will give their best and take only what they need. And no classes, no state, police, no army etc...According to his teachings, this is the way of history whether humans like it or not. <br /><br />Many took his words as gospel "Truth", and set to put his words into practice. It was Lenin that franchised Marx, and beget versions like Stalinism, Maoism, Pol-Potism, Kim-il Sungism...... And in the propagation of Marx's teachings, <br />countless humans had been persecuted or killed either for not being communist enough, or for just being a communist, depending on which country they were in. Whole nations were run like theocracies where dissenters (unbelievers, apostates) <br />are persecuted, and with portraits of Marx/Engels revered just like saints (and embalmed leaders too).<br /><br /> Al Berthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15251769866746245911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-14431412792500623652015-12-20T08:40:17.173+08:002015-12-20T08:40:17.173+08:00If kaytee put a mosque picture, apa macam? Will yo...If kaytee put a mosque picture, apa macam? Will you now massacre kaytee? Be honest!<br /><br />Kaytee should be thankful that he is not in northern ireland. Perhaps for the first time, unionists and nationalists may join in giving special treatment to kayteelooes74https://www.blogger.com/profile/12843815696241803293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-9876816583417171202015-12-20T08:38:02.870+08:002015-12-20T08:38:02.870+08:00If only catholics here were like Irish ones......h...If only catholics here were like Irish ones......hahahahahalooes74https://www.blogger.com/profile/12843815696241803293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-66787400620018668662015-12-20T08:26:58.036+08:002015-12-20T08:26:58.036+08:00interesting questions, P, bringing us back to that...interesting questions, P, bringing us back to that eternal adage of "don't fix/change it if it ain't broken", wakakakaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-1938181859807176682015-12-19T22:24:24.051+08:002015-12-19T22:24:24.051+08:00utopia - was it an evidence of the original condit...utopia - was it an evidence of the original condition and character of mankind? if so, have we then enchained ourselves with erroneous philosophies and doctrines and built our legislative states upon/within those philosophies/doctrines??Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03431352248378490137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-85226211621735680922015-12-19T18:09:27.313+08:002015-12-19T18:09:27.313+08:00“More travels to Antwerp as an ambassador for Engl...“More travels to Antwerp as an ambassador for England and King Henry VIII… One day, More sees …a bearded man whom More assumes to be a ship's captain… Hythloday, who turns out to be a philosopher and world traveler.<br /> <br />Hythloday has been on many voyages with the noted explorer Amerigo Vespucci, traveling to the New World, south of the Equator, through Asia, and eventually landing on the island of Utopia. He describes the societies through which he travels with such insight… Hythloday points out that the policies of the Utopians are clearly superior to those of Europeans… Hythloday moves to a discussion of Utopian society, portraying a nation based on rational thought, with communal property, great productivity, no rapacious love of gold, no real class distinctions, no poverty, little crime or immoral behavior, religious tolerance, and little inclination to war. It is a society that is superior to any in Europe…<br /><br />Hythloday finishes his description and More … concludes that many of the Utopian customs described by Hythloday, such as their methods of making war and their belief in communal property, seem absurd. He does admit, however, that he would like to see some aspects of Utopian society put into practice in England, though he does not believe any such thing will happen”. ~ UTOPIA (1516) – By Thomas More<br />hasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05663082048545287345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-6700955169562729342015-12-19T11:52:45.306+08:002015-12-19T11:52:45.306+08:00" There are a number of things that make part..." There are a number of things that make particular ideologies dangerous. One of them is the prospect of a utopia: since utopias are infinitely good forever, and can justify any amount of violence to pursue that utopia, the costs are still outweighed by the benefits. Utopias also tend to demonise certain people as obstacles to a perfect world, whoever they are: the ruling classes, the bourgeois, the Jews or the infidels and heretics. As long as your ideology identifies the main source of the world's ills as a definable group, it opens the world up to genocide."<br />-----Steven Pinker, author “The Better Angels of our Nature”Al Berthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15251769866746245911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-35497974839202409522015-12-19T09:08:00.661+08:002015-12-19T09:08:00.661+08:00And the first one to get his limp dick greased for...And the first one to get his limp dick greased for free is u. Dei tambi, u r supposed to be an Ajib supporter la. Confused alredi ar? Hehehe.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10866442706725266100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-41203818696263684122015-12-19T09:03:25.328+08:002015-12-19T09:03:25.328+08:00He is working for Ahjib mah. Hehehe.He is working for Ahjib mah. Hehehe.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10866442706725266100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-66751118640416708192015-12-18T22:33:56.973+08:002015-12-18T22:33:56.973+08:00A new bloke has arrived in town and outdone the sa...A new bloke has arrived in town and outdone the sapu taxis and leg spreaders of PKR.His name is Ismail Sabri.He is welcoming horny dudes to his whorehouse and offering the first six humpings for free.He sure do need jugs of jelly for his sore ass when the dudes are finished with him.brunohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18125168104617279859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-24395286281413793232015-12-18T17:36:15.518+08:002015-12-18T17:36:15.518+08:00hy.. kt said "the term 'church' used ...hy.. kt said "the term 'church' used here is generic and embraces all religions... likewise for above picture of a 'church'." therefore he hentam semua lah..ok la boleh diterima pakai..siapa yang makan cili terasa juga pedas nya.. but it is a good write.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03431352248378490137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-27167653788363842232015-12-18T17:01:10.035+08:002015-12-18T17:01:10.035+08:00It took 30 years to get a Catholic Church to be bu...It took 30 years to get a Catholic Church to be built in Shah Alam, largely due to political obstruction. <br />There is not a very large number of Catholics in Shah Alam, but definitely sufficient to support a substantial Church. <br /><br />It was a gross violation of the right of Catholics to practise their religion to tell them they must go to an out of town church for their prayers.<br /><br />Just as it is a gross violation of freedom of religion to tell Christians they cannot have scriptures in the language they are most comfortable with, if the language happens to be Bahasa Malaysia. Who are you to do that ?<br /><br />It was also a violation for the Malaysian Government to arrogate to itself the power to dictate what specific words cannot be used inside a Bible. Who are you to do that ?<br /><br />In the face of such continuing and increasing threats to their personal religious space, Malaysian Christians have no choice but to be political. <br /><br />Being Political means you take a clear stand on public issues which impact the right to practice religion.<br />That is right, and it is totally different from being Partisan. <br /><br />Partisan politics is when you urge support for So-and-So political party, or demonise another political party. <br /><br />The Church has not , will not engage in Partisan politics.<br /><br /><br />Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13694084861364885645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-8432204225156099152015-12-18T16:59:26.129+08:002015-12-18T16:59:26.129+08:00I am very surprised that my message does go throug...I am very surprised that my message does go through your censorship. Last time I check, you cry father cry mother when your comment was delayed.<br /><br />Again, why no write-up on NSC? Aren't you afraid that Najib will turn to persecute you for violating the first tenet of rukun negara?<br /><br />Whatever you say would be useless because Najib is Shah of all Shah. <br /><br />I will be grabbing my popcorns and watch with glee when Najib is doing onto youlooes74https://www.blogger.com/profile/12843815696241803293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-58729955142804893992015-12-18T12:58:33.258+08:002015-12-18T12:58:33.258+08:00how a christian preference in politics have to do ...how a christian preference in politics have to do with secularism? either u r bias against the christian, or u do not wan to be too direct n harsh to the malaysia muslim. u worry muslim like hasan n unknown cant defend themselves, u start to concur with ha that muslim is weak n christian is strong wakaka.HYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569953968996951830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-77309786878309090522015-12-18T10:57:51.436+08:002015-12-18T10:57:51.436+08:00you're in reality a far bigger cb-MF* wakakaka...you're in reality a far bigger cb-MF* wakakaka. Just to remind/warn you, the Fijian authorities are still after you for seditious meddling with their state affairs, to wit, using your church for nefarious subversive activities<br /><br />dun worry, if you're incarcerated there, I'll send some Maggi mee to your cell. It's my socialist genrosity and compassion, wakakakaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-3557658798005617422015-12-18T10:52:58.921+08:002015-12-18T10:52:58.921+08:00my dear bro, secularism is NOT atheism, wakakaka. ...my dear bro, secularism is NOT atheism, wakakaka. Secularism is about the state not being involved in nor promoting religion in its state affairs and policies on, say, politics, education, judiciary, laws, international relationship, etc.<br /><br />Religion should be an individual or private business.<br /><br />So in fact, you're right in that secularism allows and tolerates many many religions (including atheism, wakakaka) but not as an intrinsic part of or within its state/official fold.KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-15423223234489426792015-12-18T10:50:29.194+08:002015-12-18T10:50:29.194+08:00Hahahahahaha........hantam everybody except Najib
...Hahahahahaha........hantam everybody except Najib<br /><br />Trademark of Cibai Motherfucker kaytee<br /><br />Kaytee should be extremely worried when Najib decides to persecute atheists. Seriously, I wouldn't mind if kaytee is persecuted by Naiib and the chances are extremely high.<br /><br />If not, why NSC bill was rushed through with full speed by none other Najib.<br /><br />So that cibai motherfucker kaytee can blame Madhater, Anwar or his dead mother, the crucial fact is Najib is the main culprit<br /><br />Case close<br /><br /> looes74https://www.blogger.com/profile/12843815696241803293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-3740407620384231342015-12-18T10:31:11.950+08:002015-12-18T10:31:11.950+08:00“Compel them to come in” ~ Luke 14:23; perhaps to ...“Compel them to come in” ~ Luke 14:23; perhaps to Rev Dr Hermen Shastri and Paul Sinnappan that’s what Jesus have done and said if he was here today?<br /><br />To compel the fence sitters to reformasi or be deformasi-ed or destroyed? To produce proselytes and compel them to blaspheme? All of these I disagree strongly. There will always be doctrinal error and/or biblical misunderstanding, be it intentionally, or unintentionally. <br /><br />Well after all Karl Max began his academic career in religious study? But if secularism means no religion – I shall disagree with KT! And didn’t Luther introduce the idea of priesthood for all the believers? And didn't Calvin preach the Doctrine of Election? And wasn’t Newton was impelled in his science by his faith and scriptural ideas? Anyway, I digress too far! In a nutshell, I quite agree with this article of KT. However, my version of secularism is to have/allow many religions, and be that as it may, I will agree with Zaid…Let’s all have the “live and let live” attitude.<br /><br />“Is [religious] uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half of the world fools, and the other half hypocrites”. ~ Thomas Jefferson<br /><br />In England, secularisation had been secured after a few hundred years of intense physical, political and intellectual war. Now, England has still got her problems. Perhaps, the philosophers of ancient Greece and Rome had erred too?<br />hasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05663082048545287345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-73205287565700766312015-12-17T22:40:27.411+08:002015-12-17T22:40:27.411+08:00Hahaha. Ahbeng keyboard warrior. Still twerking in...Hahaha. Ahbeng keyboard warrior. Still twerking in front of the mirror ar?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10866442706725266100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-84935413208490761672015-12-17T22:37:30.814+08:002015-12-17T22:37:30.814+08:00Is there any country in this world that had an IGP...Is there any country in this world that had an IGP,who is a moronic clownish twitter happy creep?No wonder,criminals are running loose,like horny dogs chasing bitche down the streets.Malaysia mesti boleh.brunohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18125168104617279859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-24341084487229218362015-12-17T21:49:28.413+08:002015-12-17T21:49:28.413+08:00tokio rain,do not forget that your idol Anwar is i...tokio rain,do not forget that your idol Anwar is included in the lists of these fuckups.Go figure.brunohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18125168104617279859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-50748498808846377482015-12-17T21:23:39.510+08:002015-12-17T21:23:39.510+08:00What a foul-mouthed empty-headed comment. Then aga...What a foul-mouthed empty-headed comment. Then again, what do u expect from a big Anwar fan? Hehehe.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10866442706725266100noreply@blogger.com