tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post4334412368280468462..comments2024-03-29T21:49:05.495+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: DAP shot down party hoppers.KTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-79942408411444582402008-03-27T13:12:00.000+08:002008-03-27T13:12:00.000+08:00Nik Aziz on party hopping: “Saya pergi ke rumah Za...Nik Aziz on party hopping: <BR/><BR/>“Saya pergi ke rumah Zahid ialah kerana dia sebagai seorang Menteri dan kita kena pergi. Kebetulan pula sebelum itu beliau ada buat kenyataan untuk melaksanakan peraturan dan menggubal undang-undang anti lompat kerana kebetulan anti lompat itu dulu itu kita yang mula bukan dia.<BR/>...<BR/> Ekoran timbul masalah itu kita sudah pun baiki dah peraturannya malah kita bawa masalah itu pergi ke mahkamah bagaimanapun mereka tolak kita dan kita kalah."<BR/><BR/>http://edition.globalmediachannel.tv/content/view/1098/60/<BR/><BR/>So, even if many in BN don't vote for the measure, there could be more than enough to compensate for it from DAP and some from PAS, and a few PKR reps who would seriously look like assholes to their more metropolitan constituents if they don't vote for it (including Nurrul Izzah).<BR/><BR/>Of course, this is assuming the exact terms of the legislature are broadly acceptable. Wouldn't it be funny if the first draft is worded so that, effectively, you can jump into BN but not out of it :PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-28181046682289608252008-03-26T20:37:00.000+08:002008-03-26T20:37:00.000+08:00If the BN plans to introduce an anti-hopping bill ...If the BN plans to introduce an anti-hopping bill in Parliament, it better make sure that all their MPs will vote for it. <BR/><BR/>If there is a group of Barisan MPs waiting to lompat, all they have to do is defeat the bill when it is tabled and demand a vote of no confidence in the BN government. <BR/><BR/>What can the BN whip (I presume Najib is still the whip) do in such a situation? Sweet nothing!PeterPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07629474715939200243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-65790814225687691122008-03-26T19:24:00.000+08:002008-03-26T19:24:00.000+08:00"A parliamentary seat doesn't "belong" to the part..."A parliamentary seat doesn't "belong" to the party represented. By accepted principle, it is really a combination of the person and the party. That's why when a representative dies, or gets convicted of a serious offense etc., the seat becomes vacant and there has to be a by-election. <BR/><BR/>Otherwise it would have been acceptable for the party just to appoint another representative in his place, no ?"<BR/><BR/>You've said it yourself... voters vote for the candidate AND THE PARTY - that is why the ballot sheet has both the candidate's name and the logo of the candidate's party. So when a voter votes for candidate X of party Y, we must conclude that both X and Y were factors in the decision.<BR/><BR/>In the event that either of the two criteria should change (i.e. if X changes party to Z or, if as you say, X dies or otherwise becomes disqualified), then there should be a new vote as the ballot has essentially been changed.<BR/><BR/>As for why anti-hopping laws have not materialized in some other major democracies (in India I think I read somewhere that it was actually put to legislators but didn't survive scrutiny)... I must confess I don't really know much about it.<BR/><BR/>But can't we all at least in spirit agree on the basic principle that party-hopping per se, barring some extenuating circumstance, is a violation of voter trust? As for the letter of the law (and extenuating circumstances), we can debate all that. All parties have capable law makers, and all parties have a vested interest in this legislature passing or failing, so we can expect heavy debate on the matter... which is good.<BR/><BR/>"On the buying of "Katak"s Aren't there ample laws and long jail sentences available as a detterent to corruptly "buying" MPs ?"<BR/><BR/>There are so many ways to circumvent such "laws" that they are essentially meaningless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-63022971871479770932008-03-26T15:53:00.000+08:002008-03-26T15:53:00.000+08:00It's not such a simple issue, actually. I've done ...It's not such a simple issue, actually. <BR/><BR/>I've done my own little research on nearly 800 years of Parliamentary history in Britain, and newer elected houses like the US Congress and Australia. <BR/><BR/>While party hopping is always condemned by the "aggrieved" party, but there are good reasons why none of these older democracies have chosen to enact anti-hopping laws. <BR/><BR/>A parliamentary seat doesn't "belong" to the party represented. By accepted principle, it is really a combination of the person and the party. That's why when a representative dies, or gets convicted of a serious offense etc., the seat becomes vacant and there has to be a by-election. <BR/><BR/>Otherwise it would have been acceptable for the party just to appoint another representative in his place, no ?<BR/><BR/>In the long course of Parliamentary history, especially in Britain, there have been legitimate cases of parties merging, parties dissolving, representatives expelled from a Party (so they either become Independents or join another party), representatives who simply could not accept major changes in their Party policy. <BR/><BR/>It is morally arguable that in such cases, the representative should resign and allow a by-election to take place. <BR/><BR/>But to legally enforce a low making it illegal to leave a party or force a by-election - No, none of the long established democracies have taken that step.<BR/><BR/>On the buying of "Katak"s<BR/>Aren't there ample laws and long jail sentences available as a detterent to corruptly "buying" MPs ?Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05482725674818312298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-3820169720191623312008-03-26T15:00:00.000+08:002008-03-26T15:00:00.000+08:00one can defect but not take along a seat won on a ...one can defect but not take along a seat won on a party's ticket - so if they are not MP or ADUNs, there's no stopping a DAP chap from joing MCA or a PKR sweetie from joining UMNO Wanita, or vice versa.KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-24970556000308669272008-03-26T14:15:00.000+08:002008-03-26T14:15:00.000+08:00"He has objected to money politics and outright bu..."He has objected to money politics and outright buying in broad day light"<BR/><BR/>UMNO is also against buying in broad day light... like that people can see la, better if noone can see.<BR/><BR/>The problem is, how do you jump and prove that your jump is in line with the people's wishes? The only way I can think of is for the jumper to step down, and have a by-election. That is the right way to do it.<BR/><BR/>And that is why Nik Aziz said orang yg lompat parti tidak bermaruah.<BR/><BR/>"Hadi Awang made it clear that the new law was a ploy to save UMNO and gave instances where UMNO rejected that law earlier."<BR/><BR/>So it begins then... the first breaking of ranks within the "Barisan Rakyat", with more to come I am sure. DAP has been calling for this legislature since 1978, and it doesn't seem as though they are going to back down now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-26654324847362920342008-03-26T11:24:00.000+08:002008-03-26T11:24:00.000+08:00Nik Aziz didn't object to party defection. He has ...Nik Aziz didn't object to party defection. He has objected to money politics and outright buying in broad day light. He has UMNO members just like UMNO has PAS members. He has PKR members just like PKR has PAS members. Hadi Awang called a press conference to state the Party's position in his capacity as the political leader of the Party while Nik Aziz made an off the cuff statement as a politician. That's the difference. Hadi Awang made it clear that the new law was a ploy to save UMNO and gave instances where UMNO rejected that law earlier. Your mind shouldn't be clogged. This is an issue as old as Malaysia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-25715094815011400872008-03-26T11:18:00.000+08:002008-03-26T11:18:00.000+08:00Anyone who starts a blog naturally writes about wh...Anyone who starts a blog naturally writes about whatever interests him/her or whatever is within their sphere of expertise.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, it is unnecessary to get all riled up just because the reader disagrees with the writer's viewpoint. The solution is so simple -- if you don't like what you see then don't come here to read it.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, it really is good to see all the arguments and disagreements here. That's democracy at work! It adds flavour and spice to the commentary section. Imagine if everyone is in full agreement with each other -- that would be like totally boring!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-7424705221719158832008-03-26T06:49:00.000+08:002008-03-26T06:49:00.000+08:00fair minded, did u read what Nik Aziz said about p...fair minded, did u read what Nik Aziz said about party hoppers? <BR/><BR/>Pak Haji: <I>"Elected representatives should not disappoint the people who had voted for them. <BR/><BR/>"Party-hopping is not the work of politicians but those who makan upah (accept money)."</I><BR/><BR/>see http://www.nst.com.my/Sunday/National/2193682/Article/index_html<BR/><BR/>ke ke ke!<BR/><BR/>So ..... 'fair minded'? ;-)KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-72537191210428322732008-03-25T22:34:00.000+08:002008-03-25T22:34:00.000+08:00Hadi Awang today rejected the BN trap of anti-hopp...Hadi Awang today rejected the BN trap of anti-hopping law saying that "this suggestion was raised again to save UMNO and not save democracy." He added that "Whatever it is, they (MPs) have the right to switch parties if they feel that their original parties were no longer championing their oginal cause."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Well, that's the truth. At least most of you raised that honest issue because you were objective. PAS will not support such an UMNO and BN law. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Read the rest in Bernama.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-7142347380584689832008-03-25T22:30:00.000+08:002008-03-25T22:30:00.000+08:00Wow. Great stuff you have here ktemoc. Glad to hav...Wow. Great stuff you have here ktemoc. Glad to have dropped by. Good job, bro/sis!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-2668192690813930132008-03-25T20:46:00.000+08:002008-03-25T20:46:00.000+08:00Essentially your whole site has devolved into "The...Essentially your whole site has devolved into "The I Fucking Hate Anwar Webpage"...<BR/><BR/>Some unhealthy obsession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-45268711993113806162008-03-25T19:37:00.000+08:002008-03-25T19:37:00.000+08:00convulsions only? He'll wrap himself in his Buddhi...convulsions only? He'll wrap himself in his Buddhist monk robes and immolate himself in front of Anwar's house.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-70631279461839873282008-03-25T18:15:00.000+08:002008-03-25T18:15:00.000+08:00Whether you like it or not, there's a fairly stron...Whether you like it or not, there's a fairly strong possibility Anwar Ibrahim will be the Prime Minister of Malaysia before the end of the year....<BR/><BR/>Poor Ktemoc is going to have convulsions when this happens...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-21080445828684974542008-03-25T17:58:00.000+08:002008-03-25T17:58:00.000+08:00KT, it's the black background that's attracting al...KT, it's the black background that's attracting all the negativity. try changing it to pink-lah. ;) your new fonts are also too big for your column width. why dun u add some subtitles to such a long post esp when you jumped quite a bit...or a bit of COLOUR...maybe a photo or two...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-78884357710144795162008-03-25T17:54:00.000+08:002008-03-25T17:54:00.000+08:00I woke up to a beautiful day today. Nik of PAS del...I woke up to a beautiful day today. Nik of PAS deliberated his stand on the ship-jumping culture. Essentially translated as Anwar STFU. Sdr LKS news release on DAP’s support of the anti-hopping bill proposed by BN just top it all. True democracy in the making. Constitutional or not it’s up to the Malaysian lawmakers to circumvent. Anwar should dig a hole and do the two-toed ostrich for making unilateral decision to go fly fishing. He has shown disrespect to Tun M, UMNO, DAP, PAS, PKR and Malaysian in general.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-14649875530764404692008-03-25T17:45:00.000+08:002008-03-25T17:45:00.000+08:00Kt.. KT... kt..I admire you for your courage and y...Kt.. KT... kt..<BR/><BR/>I admire you for your courage and your strong point of view...<BR/><BR/>But unfortunately, I must say that i disagree with you all the time...The Way I See Ithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06642723604380482540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-56684431153853548012008-03-25T17:31:00.000+08:002008-03-25T17:31:00.000+08:00Bodowi today said "The government will respond eff...Bodowi today said "The government will respond effectively" to the challenge from blogs.<BR/><BR/>That means there's going to be plenty of openings available for pro-government blogs. <BR/>As usual with anything that UMNO touches, there will be $$$ to be made.<BR/><BR/>Any takers ?...nudge, nudge, wink, wink...Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05482725674818312298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-19897214040200180662008-03-25T16:36:00.000+08:002008-03-25T16:36:00.000+08:00damn decent of you James after your "... the intel...damn decent of you James after your <I>"... the intellectual penury of your individualistic rants ..."</I> ;-)KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-36811774856652959342008-03-25T16:33:00.000+08:002008-03-25T16:33:00.000+08:00Hindraf 5? They were on my facebook for quite a wh...Hindraf 5? They were on my facebook for quite a while until just 2 or 3 days ago. I have blogged on them quite a fair bit, and I have never stopped supporting Hindraf nor attributing the success of Opposition victories in recent election principally (though not wholely) to Hindraf kicking us in the pants.<BR/><BR/>But a blogger can only post so many topics per day or week and contemporary issues have to take precedence.KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-44623871441680428372008-03-25T16:30:00.000+08:002008-03-25T16:30:00.000+08:00wits0, I agree with you. Honestly speaking I'm dea...wits0, <BR/><BR/>I agree with you. Honestly speaking I'm dead set against anyone leaving his/her party unless he seeks a new mandate. If a certain party leaves its ideals, then reason and reality dictate that one must leave that party. However, since he/she did join Parliament through his/her current party, then let the YB consult his/her constituents again on the way forward. This is something I have always believed in and not simply started today after UMNO feeling the danger of its exsistence started preaching it. However, there are many people who would disagree with such a legislation and definately they have many reasons. Probably, there is need for more time and so on depending on the situation at hand since we have started a new era. <BR/><BR/><BR/>On your raised issue about Kaytee which you wrote: <I>"it is inconceivable that <B>any intelligent and logical person</B> would indulge so much excess time and wasted effort in harping on the same old tales otherwise"</I>, then I must say it is a small truth that all of us are aware of. I'm here arguing concerning the main issue and UMNO's purported political maturity but not to convince Kaytee on how good or bad Anwar can be. I think there is a family problem or a personal tragedy that befall him or his family directly by Anwar, I think something of the sort. Otherwise, even a nut wouldn't find solace day in day out on harping on one person. This is because even a dog is useful. If you don't agree with someone on certain issues, there are many others issues that unite you. But as you can see, this man's case is different. My instinct tells me it is a personal issue and affair that may have caused him immense pain and distress. All what I can do it to argue about issues and leave the Anwar nightmare to him, after all, I'm happy with life and I can't dedicate it to a constricted, personal hostility. Just cheer him up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-65081235346524255862008-03-25T15:19:00.000+08:002008-03-25T15:19:00.000+08:00James, KT has long been known for his Derangement ...James, KT has long been known for his Derangement Syndromes. Anwar Derangement Syndrome(ADS), Bush Derangemenr Syndrome(BDS), and of course, Jooos Derangement Syndrome(JDS).<BR/><BR/>They only get to resemble more and more like paid advertisements aka propagandas because it is inconceivable that any intelligent and logical person would indulge so much excess time and wasted effort in harping on the same old tales otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-57015690433214879802008-03-25T13:32:00.001+08:002008-03-25T13:32:00.001+08:00KT,How come your never write about the Hindraf 5 ?...KT,<BR/>How come your never write about the Hindraf 5 ? They are still languishing in Kem Kamunting. <BR/>Its a perversion of justice and all that is good.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately the blogging community has mostly forgotten them.<BR/><BR/>Don't forget, Hindraf and Makkal Sakthi were among the key catalysts for the political awakening of many apathetic MalaysiansAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-60166355645017577042008-03-25T13:32:00.000+08:002008-03-25T13:32:00.000+08:00KT,How come your never write about the Hindraf 5 ?...KT,<BR/>How come your never write about the Hindraf 5 ? They are still languishing in Kem Kamunting. <BR/>Its a perversion of justice and all that is good.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately the blogging community has mostly forgotten them.<BR/><BR/>Don't forget, Hindraf and Makkal Sakthi were among the key catalysts for the political awakening of many apathetic MalaysiansAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-29919428588751207652008-03-25T13:20:00.000+08:002008-03-25T13:20:00.000+08:00You are being undermined by your centric position....You are being undermined by your centric position. And may be that's why you are angry at those who vomit at your shoes not knowing that you fed them with them stinking shit. I’m one who is against any party switching unless someone seeks direct mandate again, but that’s different from me buying your argument which I feel is far from the love for general good. <BR/><BR/><BR/>There is difference between Anwar, the anti-hopping law, the past, the present, the reality, the moral aspect of it, UMNO, the need for the new law, the qualities of the new law, the demand for such a law, the political expediency behind such a law, the political benefit behind such law, the MCA position, the Gerakan position, the UMNO position and etc. But the unfortunate thing is that your strong aversion to Anwar blurs and blinds you so much so that you can separate issues. I believe that's why people don't feel any tinge of honesty in your arbitrary work. Retorting to them through assembled words from the English dictionary augments their belief of the intellectual penury of your individualistic rants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com