tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post3869471542953209174..comments2024-03-28T23:42:23.455+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: The cruel death of Kho JabingKTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-70138181343790179322016-05-23T10:35:16.996+08:002016-05-23T10:35:16.996+08:00That's why on such an issue of doing away with...That's why on such an issue of doing away with capital punishment we need national leadership. Currently in Malaysia there is none willing, ther than the late Karpal Singh (not sure about his sons) and Minister Nazri Aziz in his personal capacity. Why do I mentioned Nazri a anti capital punishment only in "his personal capacity"? That's because he has to toe the UMNO line of pro capital punishment, and which reflects the wishes of the Malay Heartland whether UMNO's or PAS' Heartland.<br /><br />Whether my personal stand sounds hollow or not can be seen in the total abolishment of capital punishment in the nations of Western Europe, Canada, NZ, Australia, Cambodia, Timur Leste, (hopefully still) Philippines, Cape Verde, Haiti, Nicaragua, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czech Rep, Croatia, Angola, Hong Kong, Mauritius, Moldova, Bulgaria, Poland, Bermuda, Chile, Serbia, Yugoslavia, Cyprus, Mexico, Liberia, Rwanda, and in the USA, the States of New Jersey, New Mexico, Illinois and Connecticut and<br /><br />... also in the de facto practices of countries such as South Korea, Taiwan, and the predominantly-Buddhist nations of SE Asia, namely Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, and Kenya.KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-64550752336748160152016-05-23T09:32:00.961+08:002016-05-23T09:32:00.961+08:00A typical case of 'not feeling the pain when t...A typical case of 'not feeling the pain when the thorns r not piercing one's flesh'!!!<br /><br />Know how the family of the killer's victim felt?<br /><br />For a bigger consideration, those Nazis, who committed the atrocities of crime again humanity, should be jailed for life rather than been hanged till dead.<br /><br />The Ozzie govt should incamp those 'economical' refugees within her own soil rather than 'troubling' her neighbours by strong ecomony arm twisting.<br /><br />This might sound unrelated, but they r all part of the humane civility development as dictated by the populace in a 'quantitative' political consideration.<br /><br />Might be ok for an individual to talk cockaroo. But at the end of the day, this take SOUNDS hollow & hypocrisy to the end in a larger picture.CKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16423926161945889390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-7769501479250948912016-05-23T09:25:03.479+08:002016-05-23T09:25:03.479+08:00To support or do away with capital punishment is i...To support or do away with capital punishment is indeed an issue of personal conscience or personal value or as you put it, judgement call.<br /><br />Many have mistaken my post as supporting or excusing the crimes of Kho Jabing. No, he was undeniably violent and found guilty and should be kept away from society. His punishment, as I would have wanted it, of life imprisonment (without parole) would be sufficient deterrent to wannabe killers.<br /><br />Many nations around the world have moved away from capital punishment for the reason they and their societies have found it inhumane, barbaric even, and for the religious, usurpation of the prerogative of the almighty (god or gods).<br /><br />Different societies perceive human rights differently, some to what we may think as ridiculous. For example, in the USA some years ago, a boy was allowed to divorce his birth parents (apparently on the egging of his adopted parents). Chinese or those of Confucian upbringing like Koreans and Japanese would have found that, a son divorcing his birth [parents, ridiculous and extremely repugnant.<br /><br />On polygamy, many societies allowed it, well, at least until reason times. The Islamic tecahing was originally to cter for war widows, where the family of a fallen warrior would be looked after by those still alive. For example, a young buck of say 18 might have been called upon to "marry" a 55 year old widow as his 2nd or 3rd or 4th wife, so as to look after her and her non-adult children. As with all good things, latter day Muslims have misused that calling.<br /><br />But polygamy was banned by the church even in medieval times as immoral - Christianity frowned upon adultery and polygamy. While the Israelites practiced polygamy and indeed slavery, strangely Deuteronomy 17:17 states:<br /><br /><i>Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.</i><br /><br />With the advent of communism in China, polygamy was also banned as the immoral and class-oppressive practice of bourgeoisie and the upper class.<br /><br />Malaya now Malaysia has two sets of laws, principally civil laws and to a limited/subordinate extent, syariah laws. In the latter it's accepted that Muslims can practise polygamy as allowed by their faith (though there was an original reason for it). I understand from Muslim friends that there are conditions to be fulfilled before a Muslim is allowed to marry a second or third or fourth wife, but in some cases, the "privileged" seem to be getting away with this (minus conditions).KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-19955280585788675202016-05-22T21:24:35.911+08:002016-05-22T21:24:35.911+08:00What you termed as "Social enlightenment"... What you termed as "Social enlightenment" in the abolition <br />of capital punishment would be a judgement call, as other <br />societies have different norms. In your example of polygamy <br />it is legal for 60% of the population of Malaysia but illegal for the rest. How come?<br /><br />Now isn't the alternative of life imprisonment a kind of <br />torture? So much so that :<br />"Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian extremist who <br />killed 77 people in a bomb and gun rampage in 2011, lives <br />in conditions that would seem luxurious by American <br />incarceration standards: a three-room suite with windows <br />that includes a treadmill, a fridge, a television with DVD <br />player and even a Sony PlayStation.<br /><br />"But on Wednesday, a Norwegian court found that the <br />government had violated his human rights, concluding <br />that his long-term solitary confinement posed a threat <br />to his mental health..... "(NYT-20/4/16)Al Berthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15251769866746245911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-30099962730675007882016-05-22T12:24:53.643+08:002016-05-22T12:24:53.643+08:00once nations like those in Western Europe, Canada,...once nations like those in Western Europe, Canada, NZ, Australia and a few nations in Asia have death sentence and executions, but those laws have changed and state execution ceased. Why? Social enlightenment, something which is definitely lacking in Singapore, Malaysia and most of Asia.<br /><br />China used to allow polygamy but now, that's illegal. Why? Social enlightenment<br /><br />How about slavery?KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-47158908988254101802016-05-22T11:08:01.391+08:002016-05-22T11:08:01.391+08:00The conviction and the execution were duly carried... The conviction and the execution were duly carried out according <br />to the laws enacted by the legislature of the country. (And why object to its occurance only during a sacred day or holy month, the remaining part of the year is open season?).<br /><br />The legislature are supposedly the peoples' representative, so the <br />laws are supposedly the wishes of the people.<br /><br />If, during the tabling of that law by the ruling party, any 'wakil rakyat' from that party who wants to vote against it based on his conscience he would be 'whipped' back into line. So if any segment of the people is against a 'barbaric' law, would they have any means of repealing it?<br /><br />In effect, the law represents the wishes of the ruling elite who act <br />supposedly according to the wishes of the people. Voters will not <br />throw out a government because of one law they disagreed with.<br />And the state have to balance the need for effective deterence and<br />being humane. Different societies have different levels of human<br />development.<br /><br />This particlar case was punishment for murder. Note that execution<br />is also punishment for lesser offences - possession of drugs, firearms. (Remember the 14-year-old student sentenced to hang for having a pistol 4 decades ago?). One do not have to kill to be eligible for capital punishment mere possession is enough. Of course we leave out those capital punishment under religious laws for non-life-threatening offences.<br /><br />And 'state-sanctioned murder' is also found in the act of war involving the armed forces of every country, isn't it?Al Berthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15251769866746245911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-22286515191992053672016-05-22T07:14:08.785+08:002016-05-22T07:14:08.785+08:00Ramsey, read the following for deterrence:
1) Cat...Ramsey, read the following for deterrence:<br /><br />1) Catherine Appleton, PhD, Research Officer at the Centre for Criminological Research, and Bent Grover, PhD, former Associate for Mitchell Madison Group/marchFIRST, in their Apr. 24, 2007 article for the British Journal of Criminology titled "The Pros and Cons of Life Without Parole," wrote:<br /><br />"For those in favour of LWOP [life in prison without parole], another key benefit is its retributive power. It is argued that murderers deserve to be so punished because of the heinous nature of their crimes. If the death penalty is to be abolished, a replacement sanction of sufficient gravity needs to be provided by law. <br /><br />Proponents in the United States have emphasized that ‘life without parole is certainly not a lenient sentence ’ (Blair 1994:198). Sometimes referred to as ‘death by incarceration ’ , such sentences are undeniably tough, pleasing both politicians and prosecutors, but also satisfying some opponents of the death penalty...<br /><br />Deterrence is seen to be another major strength of LWOP. Some abolitionists have put forward the argument that while reviewable life sentences offer little in the way of deterring those who might kill, LWOP is undeniably harsh and its deterrent effect should not be underestimated."<br /><br />2) Mario Cuomo, JD, Governor of New York at the time of the quote, in a June 17, 1989 article for the New York Times titled "New York State Shouldn't Kill People," wrote:<br /><br />"What makes the risk of wrongful execution all the more unacceptable is that there is an effective alternative to burning the life out of human beings in the name of public safety. That alternative is just as permanent, at least as great a deterrent and - for those who are so inclined - far less expensive than the exhaustive legal appeals required in capital cases. <br /><br />That alternative is life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. No 'minimums' or 'maximums.' No time off for good behavior. No chance of release by a parole board, ever. Not even the possibility of clemency. It is, in practical effect, a sentence of death in incarceration. <br /><br />Life without parole is achievable immediately. The Legislature could enact it Monday. I would sign the measure Tuesday. It would apply to crimes committed the next day. In fact, the only thing preventing the next cop killer from spending every day of the rest of his life in jail is the politics of death."KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-5239152660414586512016-05-22T06:53:58.212+08:002016-05-22T06:53:58.212+08:00my post was not to ameliorate the crime of Kho Jab...my post was not to ameliorate the crime of Kho Jabing, but to state my opposition to capital punishment per se. As I have stated, state sanctioned/legalized killing is a medieval barbaric form of punishment.<br /><br />religious reasoning applies to some, especially Malaysians of the Muslim-Christian faith, though many of the countries which do NOT have capital punishment are secular and based their code of punishment on the values of their civilized society who treasures humanity and compassion<br /><br />you're just typically opposing me for your own syiok sendiri-nessKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-72904498175817946452016-05-21T22:42:14.393+08:002016-05-21T22:42:14.393+08:00Kho Jabing was convicted of killing a man by strik...Kho Jabing was convicted of killing a man by striking his head repeatedly with a tree branch in a botched robbery attempt. The victim sustained 14 skull fractures and a brain injury and died six days later.<br />It was beyond reasonable doubt a deliberate, intentional and exceptionally brutal killing of an innocent human being. <br />The photographs of the victim's injuries, submitted as evidence in court, were revolting and nauseating.<br /><br />He received a fair trial , which was appealed to the highest level of Singapore courts.<br /><br />The penalty for such an intentional killing i.e. murder, in Singapore is death. So it is written in law, there are no ifs and buts.<br /><br />Religion has absolutely nothing to do with it. <br />Singapore is a steadfastly secular state.<br /><br />He committed a dastardly act, and he received the penalty under the law in Singapore.<br /><br />If this were Australia, he would have received, at most, life imprisonment, with possibility of parole in less than 20 years.<br />But that is Australia. Don't try to impose your Australian standards here.<br /><br />Rest in peace Koh Jabing. <br />I don't think you are going to a very pleasant place after this.Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13694084861364885645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-5871977832859551522016-05-21T20:20:54.700+08:002016-05-21T20:20:54.700+08:00I am a person who normally agrees with most of you...I am a person who normally agrees with most of your viewpoints..to the extent that I have shared your postings in other groups and my wall.<br />But this is one instance I am unable to agree...where is the deterrent otherwise?<br />BTW I do not subscribe to any religion currently.Ramseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597838740665781132noreply@blogger.com