tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post2810974590347155985..comments2024-03-28T23:42:23.455+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: Archbishop of Canterbury, Muslims, Christians & JewsKTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-6499793597676561632008-02-13T10:40:00.000+08:002008-02-13T10:40:00.000+08:00Much has been written on why Dr.Rowen Williams' id...Much has been written on why Dr.Rowen Williams' ideas are not practical.....<BR/><BR/>Two well written & concise articles :-<BR/><BR/>http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/strands-of-sharia/<BR/><BR/>http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2008/02/09/opposing-sharia-arbitration-courts-in-uk/PeterPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07629474715939200243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-27024534247391261182008-02-13T05:16:00.000+08:002008-02-13T05:16:00.000+08:00thanks brighteyes, I was referring to those who we...thanks brighteyes, I was referring to those who were railing and scare-mongering about British hands about to chopped off ;-)<BR/><BR/>as I said, let's have some intelligent debate. I am not automatically supporting any calls to embrace syariah law, no, not by any (personal) means, but I was 'Voltaire-ing' for Rowen Williams.KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-40162120545964612042008-02-12T21:45:00.000+08:002008-02-12T21:45:00.000+08:00Now, before you start labeling "Islamophobe" on an...Now, before you start labeling "Islamophobe" on anyone who opposes the Archbishop's ideas, keep in mind there are many who have made very valid points, examples below. They don't dwell upon stuff like stonings, hand amputations, and that stuff... but focus on the familial and matrimonial parts of shariah. Notably the fact that the law seems to be in favor of men than women...<BR/> <BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2ce429<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yasmin Abligai Brown, a critic of US wars, Israel, & neocolonialism: http://tinyurl.com/3xq6go<BR/><BR/><BR/>It appears the term "Islamophobe" is being used against valid criticism of elements in the Muslim world. Very much like how the "anti-Semite" label is overused by Zionists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-55329901685876912402008-02-12T17:45:00.000+08:002008-02-12T17:45:00.000+08:00The way I see it, the Archbishop of Canterbury (AB...The way I see it, the Archbishop of Canterbury (ABC) did not research the topic sufficiently and he then compounds it with “clumsy deployment”.<BR/><BR/>His "as a matter of fact certain provisions of sharia are already recognised in our society and under our law" is not entirely true. <BR/><BR/>There are Islamic Councils in Leyton, Dewsbury in West Yorkshire, Birmingham and Rotherham, South Yorkshire and some have claimed to have dealt with more than 7,000 divorces. However, most are understood to concentrate on divorce cases - although such judgments are not recognized in British law - as well as financial disputes.<BR/><BR/>Even “a Muslim nikah marriage is not regarded as a legally valid marriage in the eyes of English law.” – Association of Muslim Lawyers (U.K.) - http://www.aml.org.uk/_law_reform.php<BR/><BR/>So what was the ABC talking about?<BR/><BR/>Then his “… much like the way Orthodox Jews have their own courts for some matters.” <BR/><BR/>I think he was referring to the London Beth Din here. Again their religious marriage and divorce rituals have no status in English law. For the state to recognise their marriages or divorces, Jews have to marry or be divorced according to English law just like everyone else.<BR/><BR/>Between 2002 and 2005 the government of Canada had wanted to incorporate religious laws into the existing Canadian Laws. But after strong opposition, from among others, the Canadian Council of Muslim Women they backed down. See http://www.ccmw.com/activitites/act_no_religious_arb.html<BR/><BR/>Now, who is going to suck on that?PeterPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07629474715939200243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-9495989650837505952008-02-12T16:42:00.000+08:002008-02-12T16:42:00.000+08:00Naturally KK46.See : http://www.youtube.com/watch?...Naturally KK46.<BR/><BR/>See : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2dC1iWzwwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-66730071503244794252008-02-12T13:57:00.000+08:002008-02-12T13:57:00.000+08:00The atmosphere in Britain is quite a bit different...The atmosphere in Britain is quite a bit different. <BR/>I was in London, travelling the Undeground, quite soon after the July 11, 2005 bombings. There was a siege mentality going around.<BR/><BR/>There has been a lot of hardening of attitudes among the UK white population towards the Muslim minority.Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05482725674818312298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-47693682622836527372008-02-12T12:30:00.000+08:002008-02-12T12:30:00.000+08:00Rowan Williams comes across as a snooty over educa...Rowan Williams comes across as a snooty over educated (common senseless) dinosaur from the Blair's years , one who has been pushing the envelope in many other matters too. Irritating specimen with that illusion of grandeur. Though he apparent escaped this one, permanent damage to his own credibility is assured.<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/28o2h6<BR/><BR/>A well informed and erudite atheist wouldn't think too much about Rowan: <BR/>To Hell With the Archbishop of CanterburyRowan Williams' dangerous claptrap about "plural jurisdiction."<BR/>http://www.slate.com/id/2184186/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-59109225846404856972008-02-11T23:38:00.000+08:002008-02-11T23:38:00.000+08:00Indeed, all religion books are dangerous if people...Indeed, all religion books are dangerous if people follow it blindly or interpret their way.<BR/><BR/>During the golden era of Chan(Zen) teaching in China, a Guru has ask his apprentice,"how many books of of heaven Sutra are Buddha thinking and how many are devil though?", and the apprentice answer "all of it". <BR/><BR/>----------<BR/>For Archbishop of Canterbury talk of Sharia law. KT, it is eye opening to learn that Orthodox Jews has their own court. However, is that mean the Orthodox Jews court can overwrite common law? I don't think so. <BR/><BR/>It is fine for Dr. Rowan Williams to state something value that exist in Sharia also appear in common law, however, the first question is, is it something to do with UNIVERSAL valuation? If yes, then it is utterly rubbish to talk it since it is not pattern to one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-5430593197254052292008-02-11T22:37:00.000+08:002008-02-11T22:37:00.000+08:00Amended throughout liao, Thanks LuciaAmended throughout liao, Thanks LuciaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-9319294171314123102008-02-11T22:31:00.000+08:002008-02-11T22:31:00.000+08:00thnaks for spotting my misquote Lucia, I missed ou...thnaks for spotting my misquote Lucia, I missed out an entire paragraphKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-44383584229001659492008-02-11T22:19:00.000+08:002008-02-11T22:19:00.000+08:00quote:"Farish also asked of the Christian communit...quote:<BR/>"Farish also asked of the Christian community: Predictably the first to react to the seizure of the Bibles were the Christians of Malaysia. But it is sad to note that the same level of anger and outrage that was expressed by Muslims over the Muslim-bashing sentiments of a Dutch politician thousands of miles away was not evident when this outrage was perpetrated on their own shores."<BR/><BR/>you picked the wrong paragraph to bash the christians. <BR/><BR/>to me, i don't believe this para was where farish targetted at christians.<BR/><BR/>before this para "predictably the first to react to the seizures..." you gave here the para "a case in piont is the recent..." BUT in farish's full article this "a case in point..." is not the para preceeding this "predictably the first to react..." para. there are 2 other paragraphs preceeding the "predictably the first to react..." para, which you did not put in.<BR/><BR/>thus, this para:<BR/>"Predictably the first to react to the seizure of the Bibles were the Christians of Malaysia. But it is sad to note that the same level of anger and outrage that was expressed by Muslims over the Muslim-bashing sentiments of a Dutch politician thousands of miles away was not evident when this outrage was perpetrated on their own shores."<BR/>the way i look at it is that farish was wondering if the muslims can expressed outrage over muslim-bashing sentiments in another country, now there is another religion bashing (christian bashing) in their own country, why no expression of outrage from the muslim?<BR/><BR/>however the following para after "predictably the first to react..." did bash christians, or rather ALL religions, and ok KT, i do agree with you that yes christians (just like other religion) most of the time only jumped up and made noises when their own religion is affected/attacked and not when other religions are attacked.<BR/><BR/>i would say this is just normal or human nature. i don't want to be a hypocrite so i will admit i too of course jumped up a lot if my family is attacked but not when other families are attacked.luciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02351637920885427050noreply@blogger.com