tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post8608370774862193392..comments2024-03-29T18:56:50.302+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: Hadi Awang's PAS - be afraid of divine wrath!KTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-57262839378061794492015-01-29T13:40:44.817+08:002015-01-29T13:40:44.817+08:00noted & kam sia again guys.noted & kam sia again guys.kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-12618510281235502292015-01-29T13:12:59.953+08:002015-01-29T13:12:59.953+08:00kampong lad. I read somewhere that Chinese, apart ...kampong lad. I read somewhere that Chinese, apart from the northern and western invaders, may be divided into two groups, those originating respectively north and south of the Yangtze river. The Chinese Malaysians are those from the south while the northerners at least in looks if not in genes are not unlike the Mongolians, Koreans and JapsKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-58857726287002425822015-01-29T11:27:09.726+08:002015-01-29T11:27:09.726+08:00One more thingy, Han-ren refers to a racial group,...One more thingy, Han-ren refers to a racial group, while Tang-ren refres to a citizenship.<br /><br />Thus Tang-ren can be Cantonese, Hokkien, Teochew, including the Manchus, Uighur, Tibetan & Mongol, while Han-ren can only be limited to the people from the Central plain of ancient China.<br /><br />However, the Southern Chinese still prefers to be known as Tang-ren rather than Han-ren, purely for historical reason as mentioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-82584473344617676642015-01-29T11:19:51.440+08:002015-01-29T11:19:51.440+08:00very interesting & informative. so, can i reas...very interesting & informative. so, can i reasonably say that hokkiens, teochews, canto (they are both races and languages - not chinese dialects) are not chinese if not for the invaders such as qin shi huang?. cheers! kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-38983678849047173212015-01-29T09:04:02.841+08:002015-01-29T09:04:02.841+08:00kampong lad,
The same question can be asked why u...kampong lad,<br /><br />The same question can be asked why used Bahasa Melayu as the representative language of Melayu – it’s purely historical.<br /><br />Within B Melayu, there r sub-branches of Kelate, Bugis, Minangkabau etc etc. Though these r dialects rather than languages like Cantonese, Hokkien & Teochew. Do remember they ALL share the same written forms.<br /><br />Since Yen dynasty (the Mongol empire), most of the official correspondences had been expressed/written in Putonhua, the language spoken by the Northern Chinese inhabitants. Partly due to official draconian rules & partly due to ease of conversational expression in trades, many of the other languages since then become only common conversational tool among the locals. Any conversational dealing with the ‘outsiders’ has to be done in Putonhua (Mandarin) in order to be understood & confirmed. Thus the official status of the Mandarin is established among the different regions.<br /><br />The Chinese Diasporas in SEA recognized Mandarin as the official language, despite the fact that they speak a different tongue, be it Cantones, Hokkien & Teochew etc, at home. <br /><br />Moreover, it’s the ONLY language that can be understood by ALL Chinese in spoken form, thus the unfaltering bondage it implies. <br /><br />The official status of the Mandarin doesn’t in any way jeopardize the usage of these ‘localised’ languages & the officials r tolerant about their proliferation among the locals. After all they have been spoken like that for thousands of years. In any way it also doesn’t form any obstacle in Chinese national unity.<br /><br />This is in totally different from the Malaysia govt’s current language standing.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-51057755772554413292015-01-29T07:07:42.423+08:002015-01-29T07:07:42.423+08:00wait, they may yet turn him into a folklore "...wait, they may yet turn him into a folklore "hero"KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-78810016856924038622015-01-29T07:05:02.175+08:002015-01-29T07:05:02.175+08:00Bryan, you got it in one strike - clerics don'...Bryan, you got it in one strike - clerics don't like democracy 'coz their dictator-bullshit, threats and control-persecution will no longer be laku, wakakakaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-27129305632446017162015-01-29T07:01:56.913+08:002015-01-29T07:01:56.913+08:00more than 70% of Mainland Chinese are native Manda...more than 70% of Mainland Chinese are native Mandarin speakers thus 70% beat 30% wakakaka. The "original" Chinese who were "pushed" or driven to the south by northern and north-western newbie-invaders were Hokkiens, Teochew, Canto. These three languages (not dialects as incorrectly posited) Hokkien Teochew and Canto contain many ancient Chinese words and (especially for Teochew) tones in their pronunciations that do not exist in Mandarin KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-10059633187237727072015-01-29T02:42:08.787+08:002015-01-29T02:42:08.787+08:00To add on a bit more trivial,think the reference m...To add on a bit more trivial,think the reference may have something to do with the fact that the Chinese diaspora beginning from the 19th century,that saw waves upon waves of emigrants -scattered throughout many parts of the world - as coolies or traders ,mostly originated from southern China, unknown thousands sailed away to foreign lands from ports in Guangdong province.- during the Manchu reign- "Ching dynasty".<br /><br />Southern Chinese -mainly " Cantonese ,Hokkiens ,Hakkas ,Teochews etc- see themselves as more Chinese than the diluted gene pool of the northern and central cousins ,aka Han Ren.(people of Han) plus Tibetans Mongols ,Manchus.<br /><br />Southerners prefer to associate with the "Tang-ren" label as opposed to the Han-ren, of which the latter term is used by the Manchu rulers to refer to all Chinese in general.The Manchus -despite ruling the middle kingdom for centuries and adopting many of the Han people's culture becoming quite assimilated into the psyche of the Han themselves ,were still seen by many Chinese as foreign invaders<br /><br />The Tang dynasty was at a zenith of the golden age of Chinese civilization.with great achievements in arts ,literature ,economics ,foreign trade and power projection ..A source of immense pride for pure blooded Chinese to be associated with.,and known as people of Tang.<br /><br />Although Han-ren or Tang-ren essentially means the same but since the Chinese that were mostly dispersed throughout the world were Southern Chinese ,who favoured Tang over Han , it explains why Chinatowns the world over are always known as Tong Yun Gai (cantonese for street of Tang people ) or mandarin Tang Ren Jia with the Hakka/Hokkien equivalent -never Hon yun Gai / Han-ren Jia .<br /><br />From US to European to SE Asian to Australian cities- Chinatowns are Tong -yan kai . Chnese are either Tang-ren / Tong-yan /Teng-lang /Tong-ngin. as in Malaysia.- although the popular term of Hua Ren is gaining more usage.bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06583239788315206681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-23977812624218149212015-01-28T21:47:33.296+08:002015-01-28T21:47:33.296+08:00much obliged guys. since most of the earlier immig...much obliged guys. since most of the earlier immigrants were hokkien speaking people whose descendants can be found today in port towns such as penang, kuala muda in kedah, kelang in selangor, perak?, singapore, sabah & sarawak, philippines, indonesia especially in jakarta, semarang, surabaya, medan etc, why is mandarin is made an official language and not hokkien? thanks again.kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-7804969316813253852015-01-28T21:18:31.587+08:002015-01-28T21:18:31.587+08:00@Bryan Wong
Maybe there's yet another possibi...@Bryan Wong<br /><br />Maybe there's yet another possibility.<br /><br />"Imagine there's no heaven<br />It's easy if you try<br />No hell below us<br />Above us only sky"<br />Imagine by John Lennon<br /><br />-huaren<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-57555335844087891362015-01-28T20:05:49.289+08:002015-01-28T20:05:49.289+08:00@HuaRen..The parable of the elephant in the dark r...@HuaRen..The parable of the elephant in the dark room and 5 men who have never seen elephant before ,goes in 1 at a time , feel a section of the creature and each one comes out to describe what they think the creature looks like.. Each felt different part. 1.Trunk 2..Ears 3.Body 4. Legs 5 Tail - <br />And each stubbornly insist their description is accurate and the other 4 got it all wrong.<br />In heat of the argument that built up to blind fury ,ego and pride kicks in and they go at each other violently. ,with whatever weapons that came in handy and in the ensuing bloodbath orgy,they mortally wounded each other and all 5 eventually died from their injuries.<br />They managed to kill each other all in the name of the "truth"..or their respective part of it..of what an elephant looks like..<br />If only the fools compared the differing accounts and piece it all together,then they can get the absolute "Truth" of what the creature truly looks like..<br />And meantime ,as they managed to kill themselves mutually , the "whole" elephant will still retain its real shape and form.. ( metaphorically referring to religious Truth) <br />Each of them so convinced they possess the absolute Truth because they "touched" it..<br />Maybe only one religion is right ,yet that "right" religion may very well be a summation of all the parts put together ,but quarrelsome humans with a propensity to hate and kill just because others do not agree with their view,may have a tough time to figure it out.bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06583239788315206681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-76717855017001457332015-01-28T19:03:56.790+08:002015-01-28T19:03:56.790+08:00Endorsing local goverment elections might mean tha... Endorsing local goverment elections might mean that state goverments will have slight curtailing on their arbitrary choices to appoint pre-approved and vetted candidates -be it mayors ,district officers - councillors or Ulamas and municipal level administrators.etc .Then there is always the thought of having to deal with request for autonomous administrating of municipalities or districts after the local elections.<br />In PAS held Kelantan, it may mean , a loosening grip of power on the reins of state administration and affairs throughout the entire state. .Local goverment officials that are ELECTED and not appointed by the state may posed some "complications" to a state goverment like Kelantan with a shamocratic version of democracy., who are also experimenting with a religious themed style of governance. No surprise they are against the idea of local goverment elections.- dreading the implications or ramifications..<br />."The Entire PAS membership is against local goverment elections! claims Harun DIn the deputy spiritual leader.! <br /> An overly presumptuous and mis- representative claim to make.- to shoot down the idea of local goverment elections-probably made in anxiety that the idea may take root and appeal to the local populace.bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06583239788315206681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-39067346763854964912015-01-28T17:46:07.957+08:002015-01-28T17:46:07.957+08:00thanks, coincidentally someone just informed me of...thanks, coincidentally someone just informed me of that but nonetheless thanks for a valuable piece of info<br /><br />Tang Dynasty was the cultural model for Japan and Korea, which has been why (as I had been informed) the Japs and Koreans still eat or entertain sitting on the floor with low tables a la Tang, while post Tang the Chinese move on to chairs and high tablesKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-39748012047058774862015-01-28T17:36:27.715+08:002015-01-28T17:36:27.715+08:00The reason is bcoz Hokkien was the official lingua...The reason is bcoz Hokkien was the official lingua franca of the Tang dynasty. <br /><br />& most of the Hokkien, thus call themselves t'ng lang = tang ren = people of Tang.<br /><br />Since most of the earlier immigrants in SEA r from Hokkien, the term stuck. <br /><br />The Nothern part of China never has such a term been used.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-41938345450594006732015-01-28T16:25:12.966+08:002015-01-28T16:25:12.966+08:00The ethnic political conflict in Malaysia was and ...The ethnic political conflict in Malaysia was and remains Malays - Chinese. <br /><br />The Indians are sometimes bit players, the Dayaks and lain-lain seldom figure. The Kadazans have been neutralised by the Suluks, thanks to Project IC.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-85639011820054364382015-01-28T16:06:53.726+08:002015-01-28T16:06:53.726+08:00http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/287582
Ktemoc...http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/287582<br /><br />Ktemoc's much admired Zaid Ibrahim is asking the right questions about the doubts surrounding the Altantuya murder case. The official "Altantuya story" has holes big enough to drive a 40-foot container through.<br />At least, he hasn't descended to denigrating those who have been loudest asking the questions - PKR - just because he doesn't like them politically - unlike Ahemm. a certain person.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-62800716489674763992015-01-28T16:00:36.160+08:002015-01-28T16:00:36.160+08:00Well, to be fair to KT, it is looes who has been u...Well, to be fair to KT, it is looes who has been using the C word and KT is just returning the favor. Like I have said before, we should just treat it as terms of endearment. Just make sure they do not put another C word in front. Cheers. Adam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-87095009130381444572015-01-28T15:37:38.818+08:002015-01-28T15:37:38.818+08:00t'ng lang = tang ren = people of Tang (Tang as...t'ng lang = tang ren = people of Tang (Tang as in Tang Dynasty).<br /><br />The Tang Dynasty was the acme of Chinese civilization where art and literature flourished. Unlike the earlier Han Dynasty which focussed on Confucianism ad Legalism (the latter was a harsh application of absolute laws, inherited from the earlier Qin Dynasty and predecessor dynasties), Tang Dynasty was more accommodating to all religions/philosophies, Confucianism, Legalism, Taoism and (coming from India during Tang) Buddhism.<br /><br />Though people in China call themselves the Han people, most Chinese in SE Asia especially the southern Chinese immigrants, call themselves Tang People - don't ask me why,w akakakaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-57755569110356407032015-01-28T12:18:35.173+08:002015-01-28T12:18:35.173+08:00i notice & observe most malaysians are unquest...i notice & observe most malaysians are unquestionably obsessed with race & religion which has become a way of life. (ini sendiri bikin as a political tool & bukan tuhan kasi). they exist in all political parties. take a road accident case for example - the first question normally asked by the 'spectators' at the scene is 'melayu, cina?' or 'huanna, th'ng lang?' never 'bhai, aneyney or lain2'. btw kt, what's the real meaning of th'ng lang (kern tang lang), it cannot be chinese right? cheers!kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-63904244153236613742015-01-28T11:31:10.991+08:002015-01-28T11:31:10.991+08:00@Bryan Wong
"Only one religion is right but ...@Bryan Wong<br /><br />"Only one religion is right but I won't say which one because I want you to figure it out by hating and killing each other while I watch."<br />From TheTweetOfGod<br /><br />-huarenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-41536742113151934682015-01-28T11:20:56.848+08:002015-01-28T11:20:56.848+08:00we can therefore rule out the Abrahamic religions,...we can therefore rule out the Abrahamic religions, which does NOT necessarily approve Hinduism (Hindus killed Muslims and Christians), Buddhism (Myammar Buddhists killed Rohingyas and vice versa, Ceylonese Buddhists warred with Tamil Hindus), Shinto Japs killed everyone, etcKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-80071977900695706042015-01-28T02:46:04.684+08:002015-01-28T02:46:04.684+08:00The best Religion is the one that gets you closest...The best Religion is the one that gets you closest to your God"<br />That makes you a better person - responsible ,principled and ethical .<br /><br /> Not conniving - treacherous or sinister minded..constantly scheming unscrupulously underhanded nefarious political tactics or insinuating suggestions of violence along ethnicities in a bid to unsettle mindsets. Or perhaps a veiled threat ?.<br />Sometimes using religious conformity as a tool . -just to ensure or maintain a secure political perch.<br /><br />" Thereby , whatever Religion that makes you,a more sensible, more humble, more responsible and more Ethical with unwavering principles.<br />Whatever Religion that will do that for you is the Best religion. bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06583239788315206681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-83026445856199617182015-01-28T02:25:19.938+08:002015-01-28T02:25:19.938+08:00LGE is telling the truth? Cibai you lah, looes74 t...LGE is telling the truth? Cibai you lah, looes74 the loser! RPK has exposed LGE has given RM1.5 million flood relief money to PasMA to overthrow Tuan Guru Haji Hadi. Tell me if LGE is a man of principal? Songlap dana meant for flood victims to achieve his immoral agenda. Stupid looes74!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-36679049381546447162015-01-27T18:28:06.922+08:002015-01-27T18:28:06.922+08:00Yeah, these two foul mouthed idiots probably suffe...Yeah, these two foul mouthed idiots probably suffer from Severe Lack of Access to Female Vagina Syndrome.<br /><br />Looes - long time no go Geylang kah ?<br />Ktemoc - I can recommend some highly skilled operators in Oxford Street , Sydney. Guaranteed satisfactionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com