tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post8289941445257387709..comments2024-03-29T13:53:27.554+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: Should Chinese Malaysians adopt indigenous surnames?KTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-66357357790663356592014-03-06T21:33:01.927+08:002014-03-06T21:33:01.927+08:00'Ps. If you had gone deeper, if there's as...'Ps. If you had gone deeper, if there's assimilation race will not be an issue. Malays have always accepted other races as Malays as long as they practice Islam and speaks Malay. So many examples. You know why? By Islam there's a brotherhood already.'<br />Assimilation is about insignificant minority blend into majority, In Malaysia, it is extremely difficult as chinese is significant minority. But no matter what races, blending into each other is a good thing, not only chinese/indian into malay, malay into chinese indian too should be supported. While I do not see there is a problem with chinese/indian assimilated into malay (having islam as religion, speak bahasa) but i do see a lot of obstacle for malay to blend into other races, there is no religion freedom for malay. Also speaking on vernacular school, those school do not prohibit your children from entering it, unlike sekolah agama or Mara, UiTM. Is an added advantage for your kid to be able to speak mandarin, so why abolished it. Vernacular school is not dividing the nation as long as they taught bahasa and english in their curriculum, they are no way close to 'racist'. I also have chinese friend that are from sekolah kebangsaan. It just a matter of choice whether you want your kid to equip one more language skill. If you see your kid not making any chinese friend, feel unbalance about it, send your kid to chinese school, a lot of open minded malay starting to do so too.wahahahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17353166326337789110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-16640022170486787382014-03-06T21:32:14.816+08:002014-03-06T21:32:14.816+08:00'Ps. If you had gone deeper, if there's as...'Ps. If you had gone deeper, if there's assimilation race will not be an issue. Malays have always accepted other races as Malays as long as they practice Islam and speaks Malay. So many examples. You know why? By Islam there's a brotherhood already.'<br />Assimilation is about insignificant minority blend into majority, In Malaysia, it is extremely difficult as chinese is significant minority. But no matter what races, blending into each other is a good thing, not only chinese/indian into malay, malay into chinese indian too should be supported. While I do not see there is a problem with chinese/indian assimilated into malay (having islam as religion, speak bahasa) but i do see a lot of obstacle for malay to blend into other races, there is no religion freedom for malay. Also speaking on vernacular school, those school do not prohibit your children from entering it, unlike sekolah agama or Mara, UiTM. Is an added advantage for your kid to be able to speak mandarin, so why abolished it. Vernacular school is not dividing the nation as long as they taught bahasa and english in their curriculum, they are no way close to 'racist'. I also have chinese friend that are from sekolah kebangsaan. It just a matter of choice whether you want your kid to equip one more language skill. If you see your kid not making any chinese friend, feel unbalance about it, send your kid to chinese school, a lot of open minded malay starting to do so too.wahahahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17353166326337789110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-967227449747499882013-07-10T12:22:16.453+08:002013-07-10T12:22:16.453+08:00黃 (Huang) = Duthch-spelt Oei, Oey, Ng, Wie = in In...黃 (Huang) = Duthch-spelt Oei, Oey, Ng, Wie = in Indon are Darwis, Wienathan, Wibowo, Widiatmo, Wijaya, Widjaja, Winata, Widodo, Winoto, Willy, Wiryo, Wirya, Wiraatmadja, Winarto, Witoelar, Winardi, Wibisono, Wiryono, Wiranata, Wiyono, Wijono, Wuisan, Wijanarko<br /><br />I think the Chinese Indons played on the 'Wi' (as in the Dutch spelt Wie for Ooi)KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-66811442978187084842013-07-10T08:53:47.721+08:002013-07-10T08:53:47.721+08:00Hi, how about the surname ooi (Hokkien)
Can you su...Hi, how about the surname ooi (Hokkien)<br />Can you suggest some indonesian names?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-37939571646080709162013-06-30T16:34:10.817+08:002013-06-30T16:34:10.817+08:00Ellese,
Make the national type school secular an...Ellese, <br /><br />Make the national type school secular and improve the quality of the education system and many nons will willingly put their children in these schools. Religious education should be on your own time. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-61885181913180896812013-06-30T12:13:49.532+08:002013-06-30T12:13:49.532+08:00I think the Chinese are immensely a practical peop...I think the Chinese are immensely a practical people. But others have also not been spared. For example in Malaysia, many Sikhs had to follow the Indian practice of including their father's name after their personal name. It made sense because South Indians largely did not use or have surnames. Their style allowed them to trace their ancestors. Later - after 1940s - Malaysian Sikhs in some cases reverted to using their surnames in birth certificates and other documents (although in other cases the father's name was also included to satisfy the clerks in Registration Department).<br /><br />The funny thing is that some Sikh converts (sometimes from Hinduism) adopted Jat surnames. I do not know what the reason is but it has been suggested it helped them as the Jats are the aristocracy of Sikhism. Incidentally Jats are a race that defeated Alexander the Great's army in Bahawalpur (in the Punjab).<br /><br />In the West, Sikhs who have intermarried use their surnames in the Western style i.e. the wife adopts the husband's family name after marriage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-49860778444006342662013-06-29T09:45:00.876+08:002013-06-29T09:45:00.876+08:00Don't get too excited...most of the Hui sweeti...Don't get too excited...most of the Hui sweeties look like this....<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HuiChineseMuslim3.jpg<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-40556037893043151472013-06-28T16:13:56.190+08:002013-06-28T16:13:56.190+08:00Liu Duo, Miss Chia World 2006 is another Hui hotti...Liu Duo, Miss Chia World 2006 is another Hui hottie. She's tall at 178 cm.<br /><br />http://chinese10.com/models/Liu-Duo.html<br /><br /><br />KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-89704770732518949682013-06-28T16:08:44.702+08:002013-06-28T16:08:44.702+08:00here's another one, Cecila Liu Shishi
photos ...here's another one, Cecila Liu Shishi<br /><br />photos of her - https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Cecilia+Liu+Shi+Shi&rlz=1C1ASUT_enAU467AU469&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=NUTNUYL_LoSikQX1rYGYAQ&ved=0CE0QsAQ&biw=1366&bih=574KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-31053084452779690362013-06-28T15:14:35.547+08:002013-06-28T15:14:35.547+08:00Wah...Muslim Hui like that ah ?
I'm used to t...Wah...Muslim Hui like that ah ?<br /><br />I'm used to thinking Hui women cover their hair and wear baggy, conservative dress....and any guy wanting to marry them have to "potong"...wakakakaka...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-82822898594734644872013-06-28T15:09:31.832+08:002013-06-28T15:09:31.832+08:00One of a few exceptions.One of a few exceptions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-41756618965380403532013-06-28T14:51:21.627+08:002013-06-28T14:51:21.627+08:00Lao Tze, founder of Taoism (Daoism), when asked ho...Lao Tze, founder of Taoism (Daoism), when asked how he wished to be buried after his death, replied (words to the effect): "If you bury my corpse, the maggots will eat it, if you leave my corpse unburied, the birds (vultures) will have it. It makes no difference to me; after all I'll then be dead." KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-18418534802878992162013-06-28T14:09:07.627+08:002013-06-28T14:09:07.627+08:00It's Chinese tradition to bury the dead. Owing...It's Chinese tradition to bury the dead. Owing to Buddhism influnce, more are cremated nowadays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-7662492128690193572013-06-28T13:53:56.092+08:002013-06-28T13:53:56.092+08:00I love Hui people, especially this one http://fash...I love Hui people, especially this one http://fashioncentral.asia/celebrities-profiles/jj-jia/attachment/jj-jia-hot-chinese-model-12/ wakakakaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-51392731912255350652013-06-28T13:47:02.057+08:002013-06-28T13:47:02.057+08:00Actually the Muslim Hui people have both a Chinese...Actually the Muslim Hui people have both a Chinese name and a Muslim name. Based on old imperial edicts, their public names must be Chinese, but they all privately retained their Muslim names, which are Arabic-based. <br />Ma , a common name among the Hui, is an alias for Muhammad.<br /><br />The system is akin to the law in Indonesia, where all the Chinese had to be known by Indonesian (Malay) formal names, but within the family, many were given personal Chinese names.<br /><br />Apparently I had Hui ancestors, but when the family moved to Malaya (at the time) they ceased to be Muslims and blended into the wider Chinese community.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-90466974029934810612013-06-28T12:11:55.707+08:002013-06-28T12:11:55.707+08:00Muslims in China, who preceded Muslims in Malaya/I...Muslims in China, who preceded Muslims in Malaya/Indonesia by more than 500 years, have just Chinese names (I'm sure Allah swt knows they are Muslims without their need for a 'bin Abdullah' or any Arabic name).<br /><br />The famous Hsing I (Xinyi quan martial arts) master, Ma Xueli, was a Muslim.<br /><br />And so was Admiral Zheng He who visited Malacca - see http://bolehtalk.blogspot.com.au/2007/03/bend-ethnic-belief-bin-bin-abdullah.htmlKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-68565809550030365582013-06-28T10:07:36.242+08:002013-06-28T10:07:36.242+08:00Besides language, religion plays a very important ...Besides language, religion plays a very important role in shaping one's culture. For instance, a Muslim Chinese may be known as Riduan Teh Bin Addullah. Which means he has no Chinese name. His children may even drop the family surname.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-23502076875145917472013-06-28T09:29:00.994+08:002013-06-28T09:29:00.994+08:00Jenny,
I think Ellese has mentioned about the Mus...Jenny,<br /><br />I think Ellese has mentioned about the Muslim Brotherhood or in Islam we call it “Ikhwan al Muslimun”. Islam is not a political faith. Islam addresses itself more to the community rather than to the individual per se. A true representation of Muslim brotherhood is not to attack Christians or Nons but asked them to join hands in confronting the tragedy of human evil.<br /><br />Islam is not Malay and Malay is not necessarily Islam. To investigate Islam according to the topography of politics is bound merely to discover hatreds for the Malays. This is because politics have colonized and exploited the illegal immigrants into new Malays which were/are seen as a direct challenge to Nons and its political domination.<br /><br />My comment on Ellese’s write is angled to the religious and physical dimensions and not politics. However, contemporary political events and objectivity will always took the upper hand over religious belief and faith. Thus, the mere fact of being Malay or Chinese has profound political consequences.<br /><br />Nevertheless, you can take comfort that most Malays are not trouble makers. Most of them join hands with the Nons in confronting corruption and racism. Cheers.<br /><br />-hasan<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-13589309425848801762013-06-28T08:34:56.675+08:002013-06-28T08:34:56.675+08:00Yesterday morning at the hotel breakfast, I exchan...Yesterday morning at the hotel breakfast, I exchanged pleasantries with what looked like a typical middle-class Chinese family who could be from anywhere in Malaysia or perhaps Singapore. <br /><br />I spoke to them first in Mandarin, but they didn't comprehend. Not that unusual, there are Chinese Malaysians who are non-Mandarin speakers. I switched to English, which they were fluent in, but with an unusual accent. Only when the kids spoke to their parents in Bahasa Indonesia then it became obvious where they were from.<br /><br />So they are completely assimilated from a language point of view - their children have Bahasa Indonesia as their First or home language.<br />Both husband and wife were obviously ethnic Chinese, and the family's lifestyle, dressing and outlook are more similar to Malaysian Chinese , not typically native Indonesian.<br />So they haven't lost their ethnic and cultural identity, but have basically lost the language.<br /><br />How much of cultural identity is also lost when you lose the language ? As an English-educated Banana ( I attended Chinese classes much later as an adult), I realised that culture is heavily bound with language, and large parts of a community's culture is inaccessible unless you are fluent in the language.<br /><br />Just a bit of social observation from my travels around the country.Rocketmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-32276354727369633652013-06-28T04:19:34.210+08:002013-06-28T04:19:34.210+08:00Hassan:
"“Malays have always accepted other ...Hassan:<br /><br />"“Malays have always accepted other races as Malays as long as they practice Islam and speaks Malay. So many examples. You know why? By Islam there's a brotherhood already”. True and I would subscribe to that statement by Ellese. "<br /><br />The main problem I have with that statement, is that it prioritises someone just by religion alone. I have read comments by someone who said that giving out citizenships freely in Sabah was no big deal, because it was to increase the number of Muslims in Malsysia!<br /><br />Just like the gov turns a blind eye to many illegal immigrants from Indonesia and Pakistan, for example. And these same ppl are then granted bumiputera rights.<br /><br />Personally, I'd evaluate a person only by his character, not by whatever religion he professes. There can be bad Muslims, good Christian or even good atheists. Just like the extremists in Middle East. Just like the Christians and Inquisition in the past. Just like the rampant corruption by our so-called Muslim leaders.<br /><br />Just because someone proclaims himself a Muslim/Christian/Hindu/whatever doesn't make him/her a good person in my book unless I know his character.<br /><br />-jennyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-62343118827176739912013-06-27T22:07:20.000+08:002013-06-27T22:07:20.000+08:00"Most Malays want to be Arabs" ?"Most Malays want to be Arabs" ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-19328123006599885612013-06-27T21:53:47.315+08:002013-06-27T21:53:47.315+08:00Ellese,
Awak datang sini bising bising buat apa?
...Ellese,<br /><br />Awak datang sini bising bising buat apa?<br /><br />Jawablah pasal Sekolah Agama dan Kolej MARA.<br /><br />HYPOCRITE!Wave33noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-46572559163929315472013-06-27T21:40:55.421+08:002013-06-27T21:40:55.421+08:00failing the test and failing to learn and understa...failing the test and failing to learn and understand are two different things. malayan/malaysian history has many versions. anyway why shd malays adopt native names like ningkan, jugah and what have you since they have their own such as melati, seroja, bawang putih, bawang merah, hitam, puteh, delima and many more. but the problem is most malays want to be arabs. muslim javanese still maintain their native names which don't make them less muslim.kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-70680876677010840542013-06-27T20:53:13.829+08:002013-06-27T20:53:13.829+08:00Thanks, KT.Thanks, KT.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-83527408133703715792013-06-27T20:49:52.865+08:002013-06-27T20:49:52.865+08:00George Santayana, not Winston CHurchillGeorge Santayana, not Winston CHurchillKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.com