tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post7976243068365499416..comments2024-03-28T23:42:23.455+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: Separation of State and Church must be enforcedKTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-46764525281547528602016-10-22T12:28:39.804+08:002016-10-22T12:28:39.804+08:00Your comment "arising from his support for Ma...Your comment "arising from his support for Malaysian Official 1" is a joke, nay, a reckless slanderous joke without any evidence at all<br /><br />I stand by my belief in separation of church from state as history has already proven me right.<br /><br />As for your cases, slavery just like trafficking in opium were evil, and oppression of blacks in both SA and USA were equally evil - hardly appropriate for Bersih which under Maria Chin has become confused as to its roleKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-72483250087568217362016-10-22T11:59:39.122+08:002016-10-22T11:59:39.122+08:00Counterpoint to Ktemoc's atheistic prejudices....Counterpoint to Ktemoc's atheistic prejudices.<br />Case No. 1<br />During the late 18th Century, the Methodist Church in England was instrumental in galvanizing public opinion against the evils of Slavery. It culminated in <br />-The outlawing of slavery in all territories in the British Empire.<br />-Making it an offence for any British subject to engage in the business and traffic in slavery, anywhere in the world. They could be tried and jailed by a British or Empire court for engaging in slavery even outside British territories. It was a controversial early application of Extraterritorial laws, but such was the opprobrium against slavery. <br />- The Royal Navy - at the time the most powerful military force in the world - was given orders to interdict slave ships anywhere on the world's oceans. <br />Ultimately it was the politicians in Parliament who were goaded to act, but it was the Methodist Church which provided a powerful moral and Non-Partisan voice against slavery.<br /><br />Case 2.<br />Bishop Desmond Tutu and the South African Anglican Church provided a powerful voice engaging international opposition to Apartheid in South Africa. It was most effective because the Bishop was a respected and Non-Partisan voice.<br /><br />Case No. 3.<br />Martin Luther King - "I have a Dream" - was the most powerful voice of the 1960's Civil Rights Movement in America. He was also a Baptist Minister.<br />His leadership in the Civil Rights Movement did not violate the separation of Church and State. <br />His being a Baptist Minister was incidental, because he acted in his personal capacity as a citizen (something Ktemoc does not recognise).<br />The Church itself was not involved in the Civil Rights movement, and Martin Luther King did not claim to be speaking for the Church.<br /><br />Frankly, I find Ktemoc's unrelenting attacks against Bersih , arising from his support for Malaysian Official 1, as a subversion of citizen's democratic rights.<br />Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13694084861364885645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-80655746358952864672016-10-22T11:51:29.314+08:002016-10-22T11:51:29.314+08:00Maksud u, jadi org macam dia, tak bolih exercise h...Maksud u, jadi org macam dia, tak bolih exercise his/her personal right due to the official duty his/her is holding. Right?<br /><br />Kalau I ingat betulx2, u'd written before that personal expression was an indisputable right despite the official post!<br /><br />Too lazy to search for those blogs. But I'm sure u can remember.<br /><br />So, macam mana???<br /><br />Perhaps, this is just one of those form & substance spins, just like yr sifu's <br />CORRUPTION AND ABUSE OF POWER NOT DUE TO THE NEP!<br /><br />NEP is only the medium where CORRUPTION AND ABUSE OF POWER r been executed by the elites. It could very well be any other official policy.<br /><br />In bolihland, nothing beats NEP in creating CORRUPTION AND ABUSE OF POWER. PERIOD.<br /><br />Just to clarify;<br /><br />- NEP/official post = form<br /><br />- CORRUPTION AND ABUSE OF POWER/personal opinion = substance<br /><br />If u concentrated & twisted the form & ignored the content & substance, u reach yr current stage of illogical rant.<br /><br />It can clouded the simple mind of the easily confused blur sotong. Then mission completed!<br /><br />The above examples, might not be the best as they involve negative (NEP/corruption) with positive (post/personal opinion) form&substance comparison. But the essence of the idea is there.CKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16423926161945889390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-6657878425234334402016-10-22T05:15:44.481+08:002016-10-22T05:15:44.481+08:00he was once groomed to head PAS but UMNO has more ...he was once groomed to head PAS but UMNO has more "attractions" wakakakaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-90929539291968516202016-10-22T05:14:29.024+08:002016-10-22T05:14:29.024+08:00in his personal or official capacity, the bishop i...in his personal or official capacity, the bishop is a 'man of god' thus when he speaks he speaks with the so-called authority or sanction of god. once a cleric, a man of the cloth, the bishop is no longer a civilian like us<br /><br />thus, when he participates in Bersih, he brings his god and church along with himKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-60561489391616775292016-10-22T01:15:00.520+08:002016-10-22T01:15:00.520+08:00Religion has no place in politics.Then,Anwar will ...Religion has no place in politics.Then,Anwar will not be where he was,when in Umno.brunohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18125168104617279859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-75115201018761853912016-10-21T23:04:24.885+08:002016-10-21T23:04:24.885+08:00Not so quick lah.
Can u justify yr rant if Malacc...Not so quick lah.<br /><br />Can u justify yr rant if Malacca and Johor Catholic Diocese Bishop Bernard Paul is taking part on Bersih5 on his personal capacity?<br /><br />Or r u going to argue that person who is holding post in public/social office have no such right?<br /><br />Do look back to yr past postings before u jump to comment. Wakakakaka.CKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16423926161945889390noreply@blogger.com