tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post4878085909568458717..comments2024-03-29T13:53:27.554+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: Datuk KongKTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-53344640279233589382017-02-02T23:40:12.125+08:002017-02-02T23:40:12.125+08:00during a funeral, the buddhist monk (heshang), the...during a funeral, the buddhist monk (heshang), the daoist priest (daoshi) n the scholar (rusheng) perform their own ritual in the same place n no one claim who is more holy than the others, that is inclusive.HYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569953968996951830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-26682801420211980642017-02-02T23:23:13.523+08:002017-02-02T23:23:13.523+08:00taoism is a thought, daojiao is a religion. google...taoism is a thought, daojiao is a religion. google zhang daoling.<br /><br />shenism is a western term from a western angle, i doubt chinese know what is shenism.HYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569953968996951830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-1295159999637142872017-02-02T16:29:21.688+08:002017-02-02T16:29:21.688+08:00In Penang, there are still a number of Muslim shri...In Penang, there are still a number of Muslim shrines , tombs of holy men, venerated mostly by Indian Muslims. <br /><br />There is one to Dato Koyah, near Transfer Road, and another one to Nagore Durgha Sheriff, at the junction of Chulia Street and King Street.<br /><br />As Penang Indian Muslims more and more identify themselves as Malay, denying their Muslim Indian heritage, these shrines increasingly fall into disuse and lack of maintenance.<br /><br />Some Chinese also used to pray there for 4-Digit or DaMaCai numbers.Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13694084861364885645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-9307215632408185372017-02-02T16:20:51.878+08:002017-02-02T16:20:51.878+08:00The Taiping Rebellion in Qing China, one of the la...The Taiping Rebellion in Qing China, one of the largest insurrections in human history, was the outcome of a leader , and his core followers, who regarded Jesus as a Chinese diety.<br /><br />They cannot be considered Christians in any conventional sense. <br />There was never any church or Christian theology associated with the Taiping rebellion. <br />They basically absorbed Jesus-worship like any Chinese-Taoist deity-worship.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_RebellionMonsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13694084861364885645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-52350943602768800452017-02-02T11:31:37.258+08:002017-02-02T11:31:37.258+08:00This one is a big shrine in Loyang , Singapore, wi...This one is a big shrine in Loyang , Singapore, with an Islamic motif.<br />Very famous for punters.<br /><br />https://www.flickr.com/photos/snapsg/2569476139<br /><br />You must not offer any pork dish offering, and should refrain from eating pork on the day you go to pray at the shrine.Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13694084861364885645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-38035547121953207342017-02-02T10:06:04.221+08:002017-02-02T10:06:04.221+08:00actually Taoism is very high yet simple-to-impleme...actually Taoism is very high yet simple-to-implement philosophy, that of being in tune with nature, of being effortless in our ways, and at one with the universe.<br /><br />the worship of folk religion or animism or shamanism is nowadays called Shenism (from the word 神) rather than incorrectly Taoism<br /><br />Shenism includes Datuk Kong worship.<br /><br />The mosque-like dome is not due to any insensitivity but (uneducated?) ignorance. That shrine or temple for Datuk Kong is not the only one in Peninsula which has a mosque-like dome. That's because the Chinese devotees believe the Datuk Kong would be more happy in a Muslim-type habitat, wakakaka - <br /><br />It's due more to the Chinese devotees' respect for the Muslimness in Datuk Kong rather than insensitivity towards MuslimsKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-64247126873676144132017-02-02T09:50:25.557+08:002017-02-02T09:50:25.557+08:00Taoism is fundamentally pantheistic.
Even in China...Taoism is fundamentally pantheistic.<br />Even in China, this had included paying respects to place spirits. This may have been an accretion from the animist beliefs which predated Chinese dynastic conquests.<br /><br />When the Chinese came to Malaya they continued the practice, except the place spirits are now Datuk Kong.<br /><br />I have to say, dressing up the shrine with an Onion Dome associated with Islamic religious buildings was insensitive.<br />Monsterballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13694084861364885645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-78766893146242500832017-02-02T08:06:31.534+08:002017-02-02T08:06:31.534+08:00The concept of 汉化 has long been practised by the H...The concept of 汉化 has long been practised by the Hui Chinese in the essence of substance over form!CKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16423926161945889390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-47729321634417757082017-02-02T07:57:38.402+08:002017-02-02T07:57:38.402+08:00佛教东传 to China has been 汉化 through thousand of year...佛教东传 to China has been 汉化 through thousand of years' 'includive' modifications. <br /><br />The most critical inclusive element is the transient RESPECT the Chinese pay to someone/something bcoz of the good deeds shown by these entities. Note, there is zero religious element here!<br /><br />This is 尊崇道义, the core of every CinaBeng's tradition, tracing back long before 儒家思想 set foot in that tradition.<br /><br />It has zilch element of supernatural cpncept, which many of u like to associate with!<br /><br />It's an intra-being interaction that eventually being converted into folk n commoner version with god-like ceremonial procedure.<br /><br />That's the reason y chinese can pray to almost anyone n anything bcoz of this treasured inclusiveness.<br /><br />I sincerely hope that yr idea of inclusiveness is THAT - one of the same!<br /><br />BTW, what official version of Chinese religion is u talking about? When is there such a concept?<br /><br />Perhaps it grows out of yr frequent 'friendly' jom makan with the zombies, who has a dying claim on an official religion. <br /><br />Otherwise, like those Penang mamak (Melayu palsu), their identity is nothing!<br /><br />BTWx2, can u make such an outrageous statement - most malay only wan to be a muslim n nothing else?<br /><br />Who r u, for them?<br /><br />If u have that 'cable', then tell them to be with peace with their Allah within their own hearts lah. That's the ONLY true way of been submissive & act as His servants. <br /><br />Forcing every damned Islamic ways, as if it's the ONLY way, for the common masses, is NOT the way of only wan to be a muslim n nothing else!!!!CKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16423926161945889390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-65779225412566202432017-02-02T02:48:17.004+08:002017-02-02T02:48:17.004+08:00"Year of monkey is over, now everybody can ta..."Year of monkey is over, now everybody can talk cock"<br /><br />wakakaka, very droll, TeoKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-38470355314611147482017-02-02T02:47:29.828+08:002017-02-02T02:47:29.828+08:00good idea, brother hasangood idea, brother hasanKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-20653704019194150342017-02-02T02:46:47.343+08:002017-02-02T02:46:47.343+08:00chinese buddhists know that buddha was an indian (...chinese buddhists know that buddha was an indian (not a chinese), chinese non-christians know jesus was a jew (not a chinese, chinese folk religionists know that monkey was of chinese creation so please lah, domn't bullshit about inclusiveness. Chinese non-christians pray to anyone because they want guarantees of sorts, even from malay or indian deities, which has been why chinese have been the greatest devotees of lord subramaniam (thaipusam)KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-74064321537616684922017-02-02T02:24:18.654+08:002017-02-02T02:24:18.654+08:00Year of monkey is over, now everybody can talk coc...Year of monkey is over, now everybody can talk cock. That shrine could be for the red shirt Datuk Jamal since he can do a lot of things others can't.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18183337165973741918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-69016671032979924652017-02-01T23:30:03.578+08:002017-02-01T23:30:03.578+08:00i am not one that claim non christian chinese pray...i am not one that claim non christian chinese pray to jesus. u asked me is jesus a chinese deity n i answered, start with the word 'if'.<br /><br />the reason y chinese can pray to almost anyone n anything including monkey, malay datuk or indian buddha is because we treasure inclusiveness, at least in the context of religion. malay use to be inclusive, that is y we can share a datuk. we dun pray to jesus bec christianity is exclusive, they disallow their believer to worship anything except jesus. if we disagree with their way, they would enlighten us with gun n warship.<br /><br />u (n ck) only see the official version of chinese religion, however the one that influence the people most is actually the folk n commoner version ie like guan gong, nazha, tua pek kong / natuk. <br /><br />btw, no matter how hard u try, most malay only wan to be a muslim n nothing else. <br /><br />HYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569953968996951830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-15167287185097370882017-02-01T22:32:15.389+08:002017-02-01T22:32:15.389+08:00If Datuk Gong symbolises socialization between the...If Datuk Gong symbolises socialization between the Chinese and Malay communities, and it can help maintain harmonious ethnic relations, then let it be la..<br /><br />Perhaps, the government can consider allowing limited use of Islamic signs and symbols in Datuk Gong in order to demonstrate a congruence between Chinese and Malay culture that has allowed Chinese folk religion to localize.<br /><br />Of course Malay Muslims don't do keramat worship anymore but I know there are some Malays who still do. The pure form of Islam is to pray only to Allah - the only God.<br /><br />BTW the female version of Datuk Gong is Datuk Nenek or Na-du-nai-nai.hasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05663082048545287345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-81099055435517144652017-02-01T16:48:25.107+08:002017-02-01T16:48:25.107+08:00why would a non-Christian Chinese pray to Jesus? D...why would a non-Christian Chinese pray to Jesus? Don' talk cock lah. Don't bring in Monkey because he's a Chinese deityKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-2618087975896353262017-02-01T16:45:24.342+08:002017-02-01T16:45:24.342+08:00if a non christian chinese pray to jesus, then jes...if a non christian chinese pray to jesus, then jesus is a chinese deity to that chinese. just like when we pray to a monkey, the monkey become our deity. is this not how taoism the religion work?HYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569953968996951830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-60262606764930569062017-02-01T15:26:59.243+08:002017-02-01T15:26:59.243+08:00why do you think Datuk Kong is a Chinese deity?
I...why do you think Datuk Kong is a Chinese deity?<br /><br />Is Jesus also a Chinese deity?KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-56960704470657258032017-02-01T15:00:50.262+08:002017-02-01T15:00:50.262+08:00natuk kong not necessarily a muslim, most probably...natuk kong not necessarily a muslim, most probably a malay though, since there used to be freedom of religion in the past wakaka. n i believe chinese does use haram foodstuff, but if naduk is now a chinese deity, haram or no haram is not relevant. not sure whats yr point.HYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569953968996951830noreply@blogger.com