tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post3461278654266826298..comments2024-03-28T17:30:08.148+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: Najib's Han Chiang Counteroffensive?KTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-31784097775225581022013-05-10T21:15:29.784+08:002013-05-10T21:15:29.784+08:00when will we see the end to racial politics. Stop...when will we see the end to racial politics. Stop the system which require us to fill in the form Malay, Chinese, Indian and others. There is no Malaysian race until today. There is no national unity. UMNO, MCA, MIC played the race card and the threat of May 13 and it is not working anymore. We Are Friends Mah! Put an end to this nonsense about race. Race politics will die in the end. A boy holding an IC with Chau Lai Fatt on may look like a Malay, Chinese, Indian or a combination of the genes of a parent. Stop the race bias and accept all as Malaysian.hockthaihttp://www.funeralservicesmy.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-55196601825741665882013-05-02T17:31:30.199+08:002013-05-02T17:31:30.199+08:00....cont...
back to my position, i wish to state .......cont...<br /><br />back to my position, i wish to state that i am also fine with what we are having now ie to let the market dictate as long as we can improve our education standard and quality. don’t forget vernacular school is only at primary level, and cis is private school, 90% chinese actually attend national school in secondary level, thus there is 5-7 years or up to 11 years if include tertiary for “bode well for nation building?”, which again you have no answer what is that beside telling us your personal experience. so which part i pretend not to understand u?<br /><br />and where did i ever claim it is impossible to be done? i said “we need one who have political will and sincerity to make it work. I dont know if PR could do it, but i am very sure BN can't”. see, when i told u to debate what i said and not what u hope i said, u grumble i am being condescending, and again very funny it is okay for u to use term like roundabout which i assume is round, and the moment i mentioned run in circle then u protest as if my circle is a square one. in fact yours n mic/mci tone were pretty bigot and prejudice toward those from chinese school, or shall i say sort of genaralisation and stereotyping? <br /><br />if u has no answer on the ‘how’, i suggest u give yourselves a break n rest until kt come up with a post on the same subject, then we continue our discussion?<br />HYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-65800358874864465172013-05-02T17:28:46.624+08:002013-05-02T17:28:46.624+08:00if u want to know my position, u can always ask. i...if u want to know my position, u can always ask. i don’t take absolute stance in most issue including this one, i dont see the world in black and white. i am fine with one school (yours version plus reasonably quality), and all issues i raised is real that deter the one school objevtive, i don’t pluck it from the sky and that is why i am asking you how? if you have the answer, fine, if you choose to ignore them, fine as well, but as far as I’m concerned, your answer hasn’t arrived yet, and to remind you again, abrahim lincoln is not a answer. <br /><br />a little bit about lincoln and american history, emancipation was a military policy, lincoln is a racist base on today standard, and here is lincoln speech : <br /><br />“I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man.”<br /><br />if I will to use your argument, i can also say to preserve vernacular school is unpopular while one school is popular, therefore we elect our leaders to take on difficult ideas and vision, like what Lincoln did, to preserve an unpopular vernacular school, and as long as one are willing to sacrifice, a non std education system can also bode well for nation building. i personally think this sort of rhetoric is laughable if not childish, what do u think?<br /><br />...cont....HYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-16628012784908807012013-05-01T22:05:22.614+08:002013-05-01T22:05:22.614+08:002/2
And then pretend to not understand what I repl...2/2<br />And then pretend to not understand what I replied earlier:<br /><br />"I agree with your assertion that we shouldn’t segregate our children, I am asking you how we could achieve this, and your reply is remove VS and Abraham Lincoln?"<br /><br />And of course, your condescending quips:<br /><br />"Dear, you started do sound like garbage the first time around."<br /><br />"And again dear, you must learn how to read, and learn to debate what I said, rather than what you hoped I said, "<br /><br />"of course u r tiring bec u just go around in circles like a dog chasing her tail, fun to watch i suppose."<br /><br />"Now I should give you some credit for at least having the honesty to admit that you don’t know the answer. In fact if you reread KT, he already clearly spell out the answer, and Ellese love to say this, jangan malas membaca, now go re-read again KT piece."<br /><br />Well I did read KTs piece, but I agree with MIC's opinion on not expanding further the Chinese schools and disagree with KT that politicians should pander to Chinese community using Chinese education. <br /><br />So I guess basically your position is that you "appear to agree" that different school systems are bad, but just that it is very hard to remove them. I put "appear to agree" since you have seemingly try to discredit mine and MICs opinion with round about issues, pretending to not understand, and using passive-aggressive condescending quips.<br /><br />-jennyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-33184007295887978672013-05-01T22:04:15.717+08:002013-05-01T22:04:15.717+08:001/2
"how many times i have to repeat the sta...1/2 <br />"how many times i have to repeat the statement i have no issue with one school that allow our children of all races to share their moment together?and how many times you want to share with us the good of one school?"<br /><br />In that case what were we discussing about? What was your position again in the discussion? From posts like this:<br /><br />"I read “does not bode well for nation-building” a number of times but I doubt you have any facts to substantiate your claim that Chinese school is the cause beside some anecdotal experiences, perhaps you may provede us some reference, preferably those minority in other countries that attend the same school and speak the same language. <br /><br />"Who dictate what action are fair to which communities? Malay deem NEP is fair"<br /><br />"Again same question, what is the core values of our national school? I know Malaysia is not Greater China, but we are also not Great Britain."<br /><br />"I doubt you have any facts to substantiate your claim that Chinese school is the cause beside some anecdotal experiences, perhaps you may provede us some reference, preferably those minority in other countries that attend the same school and speak the same language."<br /><br />"If you believe Chinese School is a problem, what can’t you allow me to think that English School is likewise a problem? What PAGE is trying to achieve? Why can’t they learn M&S in Malay, do they have an issue to priorities Malay?"<br /><br />I assume you do not agree with my idea of a standardised education stream. So clearly you seem to switch positions when it fits to try to appear as being reasonable. <br /><br />So then can I assume your position is only that as a Negative Nancy, saying that you agree with my idea but just that it is impossible to be done, as you posted below?<br /><br />"In short, what would you do to convince the Chinese parents who decide to enrol their kids into SRJKC now and future that the “integrated, standard education system” is the best for their children? Please bear in mind that in a democratic society, we can’t simply remove this and remove that."<br /><br />When I replied saying that well, a single education system has to happen (and I note again, apparently now you seem to agree with it) even though things might be tough/no leaders etc, with the example of Abraham Lincoln taking an unpopular task of abolishing slavery. You replied:<br /><br />"Lincoln solved the so called slavery issue by refusing secession and started a war that cause 3% USA population died, on the contrary our leaders, mostly are Malay (of course not Mahathir), have the visionary to implement a much inclusive policy to bind us together and move forward, pray tell who have the better wisdom by not simply remove this and that?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-38769381432318124862013-05-01T14:44:26.018+08:002013-05-01T14:44:26.018+08:00Regarding the discussion of the ranking of univers...Regarding the discussion of the ranking of universities, it is not just who colonised the countries the universities were located.<br /><br />Our local universities have one extra factor - NEP.<br /><br />I attended one of the 5 local government universities in the 70s, and saw students who are not fit to be studying there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-67838917991779624422013-05-01T12:58:46.103+08:002013-05-01T12:58:46.103+08:00Najib (like Germany) might be able to develop the ...Najib (like Germany) might be able to develop the atomic bomb code-named EC [ EC for Explosive Calamity], wakakakaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-15244231184913968732013-05-01T10:01:28.670+08:002013-05-01T10:01:28.670+08:00Military historians consider the Ardennes offensiv...Military historians consider the Ardennes offensive as Nazi Germany's last maneuver battle. <br />WW 2 in Europe continued for another 4 months but after that, all remaining military operations by the German Army were purely localized defense and retreat. Germany no longer had enough tanks , no fuel for the tanks, lack of trained crews , not enough professional soldiers, not enough ammunition, no air cover. <br />The End and Surrender.<br /><br />Is BN facing The End ?<br /><br />Najib says BN will get 2/3 majority, which will likely mean the end of PR.... who to Believe ?History Buffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-41331752096653115812013-05-01T01:42:16.125+08:002013-05-01T01:42:16.125+08:00how many times i have to repeat the statement i ha...how many times i have to repeat the statement i have no issue with one school that allow our children of all races to share their moment together? and how many times you want to share with us the good of one school? of course u r tiring bec u just go around in circles like a dog chasing her tail, fun to watch i suppose.<br /><br />i brought up page n eng school bec you mentioned page earlier, and u also said “that prioritise the language/culture/history of another country”, so what another country r u talking about and how am I missing the point? and what this has to do with china when the chinese school exist long before we get independence? many orang asli cant speak bm and why not u label them pendatang? kt in his post articulated the reason why failure of national school to become mainstream, and the prerequisite of government role ie education ministry to do more to ensure the parents could make adjustment with specific action (mci/mic words), which is not happening at all. u r like the rightist that talk talk talk until cow come and keep demanding for sacrifice but no action, almost everyone of my friends that criticize the vernacular system send their kids to chinese school, even my cousin sister, a assuntarian, who cant speak a word of mandarin that use to call chinese school a communist school send her kids to chinese school, so what sort of sacrifice you want from them? and what is the role of a democratically elected government in all this problem and dilemma? wait for the durian to jatuh?<br /><br />i don’t know how often u mix around with the malay, the non-english speaking one, similar to chinese that from various dialect background, they are equally diverse, perhaps in johor u don’t see much difference, but among kelantanist, perakian, kedahan, they speak with an accent I cant fully understand, and it is common of them from the same place to speak the cakap melaka, cakap perak, cakap kelantan among themselves, shd I feel left out bec they dont speak std bm in front of me or shd i respect their rights and habit to speak whatever suit them better? i prefer to call this diversity, not divisive. we are not communist, we don’t have to move toward everything uniform n homogeneous, we shd treasure our difference, our diversity, like rainbow (ellese prefer depiction), as malaysian with a common objective, ada paham?<br /><br />and now u call what shuzheng wrote an attack? i thought it was a opinion you feel oblige not to dismiss? funny la u.<br />HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-17033292371267109242013-04-30T23:37:00.607+08:002013-04-30T23:37:00.607+08:00As expected.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/ma...As expected.<br />http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/han-chiang-college-given-university-college-status-with-rm1mil-grant/<br /><br />Gigantic crowd welcomes Najib in Rifle Range.<br /><br />Lim Guan Eng better spend more time defending his turf in Penang...PR's hold on the state is getting shakier by the minute.Ma Huanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-7208897393480627922013-04-30T21:26:57.889+08:002013-04-30T21:26:57.889+08:002/2
2. The segregated environments between the ver...2/2<br />2. The segregated environments between the vernacular/boarding schools encourage a homogenous culture outlook and minimizes integration opportunities between different cultures/people. I think this point is clear, but if you still think this isn't a problem then that's clearly nothing I can say that can convince you otherwise.<br /><br />By the way, I also disagree with PAGE's stand. I don't think learning science in English is important, but our English syllabus and teaching needs to be revamped.<br /><br />"I am with many Malay almost every night, I believe most of them don’t find it disrespectful if I will to communicate mandarin/hakka/cantonese/tamil with another Chinese which we did, unless it is a formal occasion, and we always joke using all sort of Chinese term."<br /><br />Of course they won't mind, but honestly if you are sharing the same table and someone else keeps making throwaway comments and jokes you don't understand, indirectly you will feel left out. This is what I mean, I still think of this kind of integration as quite superficial. <br /><br />"Aku Cina’ Ang, Anthony Loke, Tony Pua, Lisa Ng, Gerakan’s Rowena ‘Rowettlier’ Yam, Aussified KTemoc, Shannon Teoh, Mkini’s Steven Gan and so on. They might claim Chineseness, yet all would have been raised in the same fashion, having grown up in La Salle schools, fed on a diet of Sunday schools, toast and marmalade jam, speaking English, ignorant of what’s Chinese. They only know how to be white. So it is true, they are not Chinese.##<br /><br />Thanks a lot - this is the kind of attack that I'm used to quite often. No my mandarin is not impeccable, I speak Cantonese, no I don't go to Sunday school and not Christian. I don't really watch TVB dramas these days (not my cup of tea), but used to watch lots of period drama and kungfu movies when I was younger. And yes, I do quite like songs by Siti Nurhaliza, Hujan and Peterpan. I don't like nasi lemak prepared by Chinese, they are usually a bit bland and not spicy enough for me, I like my nasi lemak prepared by Malays. Thanks for telling me I'm not Chinese. <br /><br />But you know what, I'm fine with that. I will say I'm Malaysian first. I will say that the "real" Chinese, as you call it, as well as the other "real" Malays, Indians etc which cling strongly to your ethnoidentity, will continue to make a divisive society.<br /><br />-jenny<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-35723390887570830252013-04-30T21:26:24.580+08:002013-04-30T21:26:24.580+08:001/2
I tire of this roundabout "discussion&quo...1/2<br />I tire of this roundabout "discussion", you clearly pretend to be obtuse and just attempt to divert each point. But this line shows me that you're still missing the point.<br /><br />"If you believe Chinese School is a problem, what can’t you allow me to think that English School is likewise a problem? What PAGE is trying to achieve? Why can’t they learn M&S in Malay, do they have an issue to priorities Malay?"<br /><br />"The Chinese language and culture are our language and culture, and we study Malaysia history and of course history of others country as well, we study BM as one of the main subject, gosh, where the hell are you coming from? Just turun kapalterbang kah? Or are you a newly recruited CIMB for election purpose? You seem know nothing about us."<br /><br />This is not an issue with Chinese school alone, but all vernacular and boarding schools. It's fine if you think English school is a problem (which don't exist by the way, only national schools). It doesn't matter which type of school is the problem, the problem is the existence of these different type of schools. I'm only using Chinese school as an example since that is that is the one i'm most familiar with.<br /><br />If somehow we are in China, the priority would be Chinese, then English and then the other languages. If we are in Great Britain, then we will take English. But we are not, we are in Malaysia and since BM is the official language. <br /><br />The problems of vernacular/boarding/segregated education systems are two-fold:<br />1. Different emphasis. By diverting more time to Chinese/Tamil/religious studies etc, you have to take away from other subjects. The BM syllabus in vernacular schools are two years slower than national school, for example. This also creates another cultural-identity issue - if we are all Malaysians, why do some schools teach more Malay, or more Chinese or more Indian stuff? This only serves to reinforce the "chinese-ness" or "indian-ness" of different groups.<br /> <br />That's why my proposal is to provide everyone with an equal amount of focus on main subjects (including Malay and English), and electives for the rest.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-63551914340503605002013-04-30T21:03:03.281+08:002013-04-30T21:03:03.281+08:00KTee, intentionally did not included HK or Taiwan....KTee, intentionally did not included HK or Taiwan.. otherwise someone will say trying to give unintended message... Anyway, to be objective, HK & Taiwan are more homogenous societies (in a general sense). Therefore, better to have case study in multicultural-religious situation where Chinese & Indians are mingled in society. That is why also exclude India & Singapore (except for reflection on the chart in the latter's mention).<br /><br />1) Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia are nationalised educations systems. Malaysia is not. But why Philippines & Indonesia not on the ranking?<br /><br />2) Can education be corelated to their main employment and export of labour?<br /><br />3) Is education in these countries a corelation to the government policy making and general culture (eg. tolerance, open society, open or limited civil liberties - religion, gender etc)?<br /><br />Maybe if Singapore had bigger land space & population, more will be mentioned. Forgot to mention, Nanyang Tech in Singapore is #11.<br /><br />Aiyaah, just asking questions lah... No opinion... Form your own. Wakakakaka<br /><br />PS. Indonesia was colonised by Dutch, Philippines by Spanish & US, Malaysia by Dutch, Portugese and finally British and Singapore, British only. Thai, never colonised.<br /><br />Thailand shares similarity with Malaysia in that we have rulers. Majority of Thais respect their royalty as do Malaysians.<br /><br />Hong Kong & India shares similarity with Malaysia in that all had British rulers.<br /><br />By the way, Vietnam & Cambodia was occupied by French who also colonised many parts of Africa... Just a passing comment and that Indo-China loves baguette. WakakakakaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-5439325921705094402013-04-30T20:41:14.285+08:002013-04-30T20:41:14.285+08:00“And, 2 person speaking the same language is the n...“And, 2 person speaking the same language is the normal way to communicate, I'm not sure about you……” <br /><br />I am with many Malay almost every night, I believe most of them don’t find it disrespectful if I will to communicate mandarin/hakka/cantonese/tamil with another Chinese which we did, unless it is a formal occasion, and we always joke using all sort of Chinese term. I find most Malay are friendlier and kindful compare to Chinese especially the national school type, and perhaps because most of us are not university graduate and that make the difference? I don’t know, but that is my personal experience.<br /><br />“I'm saying if we want to argue that it's not fair for bumiputera rights etc, the same can be argued for vernacular schools. What I'm saying is that the existence of vernacular schools, that prioritise the language/culture/history of another country, is a contributory factor for extremists who can shout 'pendatang' etc. It's fine if personally we want to learn all this stuff, but it shouldn't be prioritised or allocated by our education system.”<br /><br />So you have no solution for scholarship? Fine. I have no problem with bumiputra rights (or you mean special position, which is which huh?) do you? The Chinese language and culture are our language and culture, and we study Malaysia history and of course history of others country as well, we study BM as one of the main subject, gosh, where the hell are you coming from? Just turun kapalterbang kah? Or are you a newly recruited CIMB for election purpose? You seem know nothing about us. <br /><br />“So are you saying that it would have been better to keep slavery, since there were unfortunate deaths and people didn't like it?”<br /><br />Dear, you started do sound like garbage the first time around. <br /><br />“So far you have not provided any rebuttals or explanations on how keeping different education stream and keeping the children in segregated learning environments, does a much better job for building a mixed society. You keep pointing out feasibility, "oh it's too hard, democracy won't allow this, we don't have leaders". The issue of leaders, well it's good thing Dato Jaafar Onn, Tunku Abdul Rahman, Mahatma Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln etc were around back at those times, eh?”<br /><br />And again dear, you must learn how to read, and learn to debate what I said, rather than what you hoped I said, I agree with your assertion that we shouldn’t segregate our children, I am asking you how we could achieve this, and your reply is remove VS and Abraham Lincoln? <br /><br />“I can't provide all the answers, but I do think simply throwing our hands up because "it's too hard" is not going to solve the prevalent divisiveness in society, and the way going forward.”<br /><br />Now I should give you some credit for at least having the honesty to admit that you don’t know the answer. In fact if you reread KT, he already clearly spell out the answer, and Ellese love to say this, jangan malas membaca, now go re-read again KT piece. <br /><br />HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-590504682587475792013-04-30T20:40:10.205+08:002013-04-30T20:40:10.205+08:00“Just the fact that you simply dismiss the opinion...“Just the fact that you simply dismiss the opinion of others who did not go through the Chinese education system.”<br /><br />Perhaps you are right, to me if an opinion makes sense, I would say fantastic; if not, then it’s as useful as yesterday’s paper, for instance one at below :<br /><br />##In the search for his poor soul, Ooi admits he is not Chinese: he doesn’t even know how to speak his own name in hanyu much less write it. If you’d ask him, however, then he would say he is a Malaysian, not a Chinese. Just like Kit Siang: being Malaysian is an accomplishment, a conversion out of being Chinese (or Malay). Both men, ill-educated as they are in the English language, can’t tell the difference between the individual (such as a Malaysian), who is the creation of the state, and the individual as an existential being who is hinged to his past, his culture, and his upbringing. And it is these variances in both ethnicities and cultures that make a Malaysian, who is not to be abused and spit at as if those differences are necessarily and mutually exclusive. In another way of rephrasing Ooi, he is actually saying he has made it — the proud Malaysian — whereas the rest are just stupid not to see the way he sees things; and worse, racist to boot. Ooi’s kind of bigotry confronts a dilemma: why is it that only Anglophiles, Christian Chinese mostly, but not Confucian Chinese or Muslim Malays, are saddled with the problem of the soul? That question is itself actually half the answer, that is, it is also self-evident. Hence, one sees the same existential angst among people very much like Ooi: people like Kit Siang, son Guan Eng, Hannah Yeoh, Helen ‘Aku Cina’ Ang, Anthony Loke, Tony Pua, Lisa Ng, Gerakan’s Rowena ‘Rowettlier’ Yam, Aussified KTemoc, Shannon Teoh, Mkini’s Steven Gan and so on. They might claim Chineseness, yet all would have been raised in the same fashion, having grown up in La Salle schools, fed on a diet of Sunday schools, toast and marmalade jam, speaking English, ignorant of what’s Chinese. They only know how to be white. So it is true, they are not Chinese.##<br /><br />So if MIC or MCI continue his assertion that this writing is the result of study in our Chinese school, I would repeat the same retort. <br /><br />“By the same token, can you provide any statistics or actually, any explanation on how keeping the children in separate education systems for 6-11 years growing up, is better for creating a more integrated society?” <br /><br />Since you are one that making the claim, the onus is on you to provide proof, not me, this is the most basic in any debate. And If I have more time, I can share with you my experience, but that is just me. <br /><br />“This is the favourite argument I hear often, which attempts to insinuate that I'm proposing assimilation.”<br /><br />I think you misunderstood, I am requesting you to provide proof that preferably from any countries where the minority attend the same school and speak the same language and see how they bode well for nation building. And I see nothing wrong with assimilation. <br /><br />“But pray tell me, is there any justification for a national education policy that allows language and history of another nation to be put above its own language?”<br /><br />Of course no, but where did I said that?<br /><br />“Like MIC said, "This is Malaysia, not Greater China". And I don't know why you rebutt that with "not Greater Britain", since that doesn't make any sense.” <br /><br />If you believe Chinese School is a problem, what can’t you allow me to think that English School is likewise a problem? What PAGE is trying to achieve? Why can’t they learn M&S in Malay, do they have an issue to priorities Malay?<br /><br />HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-14821909462999271052013-04-30T20:24:37.854+08:002013-04-30T20:24:37.854+08:00you forget to add HK's universities - I believ...you forget to add HK's universities - I believe at leasty 4 are among the top 100 around the world, not just AsiaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-87187195722257174752013-04-30T19:10:57.591+08:002013-04-30T19:10:57.591+08:00Something to ponder... comparing apple with apple,...Something to ponder... comparing apple with apple, then with orange. Looking at what our neighbours are doing...<br /><br />Indonesia - There is only one national education system. No quotas and preferences. Dominating factor to harmonize ethnic and religious groups - Pancasila. Main language - Indonesian<br /><br />Philippines - Same as Indonesia. High percentage of college graduates but due to years of corruption leading to uneven economic growth and opportunities for high paying employment. Main language - English & Tagalog<br /><br />Thailand - Same as the above countries. Nationalised education, some uneven growth but economy sustained in several industries. Main language - Thai<br /><br />In these countries, Chinese & Indians easily and readily assimilate to the educational system and language. Very few would see themselves based on ethnicity but rather on nationality.<br /><br />Needless to speak about Singapore - Main language: English, Mandarin or mother tongue (eg. Bahasa Melayu).<br /><br />Please refer to the following top 100 ranking universities in Asia: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2012-13/regional-ranking/region/asia<br /><br />#2 National University of Singapore<br />#55 King Mongkut in Thailand<br />#61 Mahidol University in Thailand<br />#82 Chulalongkorn University in Thailand<br />#87 University Kebangsaan in Malaysia<br /><br />Any interpretation anyone? Look at demographs, population size as per geographical size of country, culture, national philosophy, history (colony or never colonised. Colonial rulers etc), political will for societal & educational change etc as keys for self analysis. (Indonesia & Philippines do not feature in the list).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-77689212880385664202013-04-30T18:18:47.955+08:002013-04-30T18:18:47.955+08:002/2
"The major complaint for scholarship is i...2/2<br />"The major complaint for scholarship is it was not awarded base on merit, since Chinese school student attend the same exam similar to those National school student, so I don’t know how it is relevant, do you meant one school can solve the issue? How?"<br />"Product of politics meant a quid pro quo of A153. Perhaps I misread you, that is fine."<br /><br />I'm saying if we want to argue that it's not fair for bumiputera rights etc, the same can be argued for vernacular schools. What I'm saying is that the existence of vernacular schools, that prioritise the language/culture/history of another country, is a contributory factor for extremists who can shout 'pendatang' etc. It's fine if personally we want to learn all this stuff, but it shouldn't be prioritised or allocated by our education system.<br /><br />"Lincoln solved the so called slavery issue by refusing secession and started a war that cause 3% USA population died, on the contrary our leaders, mostly are Malay (of course not Mahathir), have the visionary to implement a much inclusive policy to bind us together and move forward, pray tell who have the better wisdom by not simply remove this and that?"<br /><br />So are you saying that it would have been better to keep slavery, since there were unfortunate deaths and people didn't like it? <br /><br />So far you have not provided any rebuttals or explanations on how keeping different education stream and keeping the children in segregated learning environments, does a much better job for building a mixed society. You keep pointing out feasibility, "oh it's too hard, democracy won't allow this, we don't have leaders". The issue of leaders, well it's good thing Dato Jaafar Onn, Tunku Abdul Rahman, Mahatma Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln etc were around back at those times, eh?<br /><br />I can't provide all the answers, but I do think simply throwing our hands up because "it's too hard" is not going to solve the prevalent divisiveness in society, and the way going forward.<br /><br />-jenny<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-32252318585740636602013-04-30T18:17:42.542+08:002013-04-30T18:17:42.542+08:001/2
"Perhaps you are new here and I doubt you...1/2<br />"Perhaps you are new here and I doubt you read much about Shuzheng, Ellese and our host."<br /><br />Thanks, but it doesn't really matter. Just the fact that you simply dismiss the opinion of others who did not go through the Chinese education system.<br /><br />"I read “does not bode well for nation-building” a number of times but I doubt you have any facts to substantiate your claim that Chinese school is the cause beside some anecdotal experiences, perhaps you may provede us some reference, preferably those minority in other countries that attend the same school and speak the same language."<br /><br />By the same token, can you provide any statistics or actually, any explanation on how keeping the children in separate education systems for 6-11 years growing up, is better for creating a more integrated society? You may simply dismiss my opinion as anecdotal, but I have heard the same things being repeated by many folks who came from national schools and found a completely alien environment when they entered into a local uni.<br /><br />From the first day of uni, I was told "oh we need to stick together, cos the Malays have these and that". Since when did it become "we people" and "they people"? I'd say one of the things lacking from growing up together, is that we fail to see them as people and persons just like us, and not simply as a group of 'different people'.<br /><br />"preferably those minority in other countries that attend the same school and speak the same language."<br />This is the favourite argument I hear often, which attempts to insinuate that I'm proposing assimilation. But pray tell me, is there any justification for a national education policy that allows language and history of another nation to be put above its own language? Like MIC said, "This is Malaysia, not Greater China". And I don't know why you rebutt that with "not Greater Britain", since that doesn't make any sense. What would make sense, is a national education policy that prioritises BM (and subsequently, English) and then the other languages. I never proposed banning or abolishing other languages.<br /><br />And, 2 person speaking the same language is the normal way to communicate, I'm not sure about you. In my national school, we mostly spoke BM and English in school cos there are Malays, Indians and even Chinese who don't understand Mandarin/Cantonese etc. But between ourselves, if we know everyone in the group understood, we spoke Cantonese. My point is, we try adjust based on who we are talking to. I actually find it quite disrespectful (when I entered uni) and we were all seating together for discussion and 2 chinese folks will start talking in Chinese, oblivious to other people in the table. Yes, both of them are not addressing the other people, but it does make the others feel left out. It's not a problem if in another case, everyone is at the table is from different countries who don't share a language, but in our case we're all Malaysians!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-12847055824215893032013-04-30T17:03:54.781+08:002013-04-30T17:03:54.781+08:00The idea to do away with venacular schools along w...The idea to do away with venacular schools along with boarding schools or to fully open MARA/matriculation to all, though good-intentioned, will not materialise as the bumi-only institutions are one of the bastions of ketuanan/social-contract/article-153...<br /><br />Didn't a Higher Education Minister Dr. Shafie Salleh once said he will never allow non-Bumiputra students to enter UiTM? (UMNO AGM 2004)? So whatever they do, the they will still maintain some preserves or inner sanctum that are off-limits-to-nons, in reverence to the sacred doctrine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-69882450839523062682013-04-30T15:54:20.436+08:002013-04-30T15:54:20.436+08:00"Never underestimate the capacity of voters t..."Never underestimate the capacity of voters to be bought..."<br /><br />...Tun Dr. Mad-hater and sidekick Latuk Silly NaajiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-51861348398852268692013-04-30T13:58:21.315+08:002013-04-30T13:58:21.315+08:00If Najib make the UEC announcement, pakatan can al...If Najib make the UEC announcement, pakatan can also do the same... This is not an issue. At this late stage, I think all najib can hope for is for pakatan to make a serious error. Of course, BN is cool, they have back up plans to boost their votes.elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02739249921664559477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-857488808654137752013-04-30T12:35:18.656+08:002013-04-30T12:35:18.656+08:00Announced all they like.Umno/BN will be exterminat...Announced all they like.Umno/BN will be exterminated on 5.5.13the gaffe guy who know'snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-49387237703974927702013-04-30T12:32:36.267+08:002013-04-30T12:32:36.267+08:00Jenny, interesting write and experience.
Perhap...Jenny, interesting write and experience. <br /><br />Perhaps you are new here and I doubt you read much about Shuzheng, Ellese and our host. But that is fine, I briftly make some introduction here. Shuzheng seem to believe that Chinese school and Chinese language is the best in the world, you can know more about him by visiting his blog, just google shuzheng. Ellese criticize DAP version of Chinese school (because DAP talk only since they have no political power yet) but rarely we read his comment on one that actually implement and manage the vernacular school ie BN ergo you must be very caution and do more reading before claiming that you agree with him :). And lastly our host, I believe he already provide a quite comprehensive justification (or excuse depend on one pov) why the existence/flourish of Chinese school, however I know for a fact that not many able to read his damn bloody long article in entirety, his fault, not yours.<br /><br />I read “does not bode well for nation-building” a number of times but I doubt you have any facts to substantiate your claim that Chinese school is the cause beside some anecdotal experiences, perhaps you may provede us some reference, preferably those minority in other countries that attend the same school and speak the same language. <br /><br />The major complaint for scholarship is it was not awarded base on merit, since Chinese school student attend the same exam similar to those National school student, so I don’t know how it is relevant, do you meant one school can solve the issue? How?<br /><br />Lincoln solved the so called slavery issue by refusing secession and started a war that cause 3% USA population died, on the contrary our leaders, mostly are Malay (of course not Mahathir), have the visionary to implement a much inclusive policy to bind us together and move forward, pray tell who have the better wisdom by not simply remove this and that?<br /><br />I said “Shuzheng and Helen would most probably think it is a rights”, thus I don’t see anything semantics about my statement. <br /><br />Product of politics meant a quid pro quo of A153. Perhaps I misread you, that is fine.<br /><br />HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-52190309700605277872013-04-30T10:07:18.302+08:002013-04-30T10:07:18.302+08:00MCI
No one say it is not doable, look at some fa...MCI <br /><br />No one say it is not doable, look at some facts first:<br /><br />1)Singapore did it during a time when everyone worship English, and LKY is smart enough to turn Singapore into a anglophile city, and make English the communication language in government and business. <br /><br />2)Singapore never close Chinese school, they just wait until the enrollment turn low and eventually reach zero.<br /><br />3)Who dictate what action are fair to which communities? Malay deem NEP is fair. <br /><br />4)Read the history on how Secondary Chinese School converted to SMJKC, and the 60 schools that insist no change and become CIS, where is the mother tongue language class as agreed? How do turn word into action is something we Malaysian lack of.<br /><br />5)Again same question, what is the core values of our national school? I know Malaysia is not Greater China, but we are also not Great Britain. <br /><br />It is not racist, we need one who have political will and sincerity to make it work. I dont know if PR could do it, but i am very sure BN can't.HYnoreply@blogger.com