tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post3430905576370246135..comments2024-03-29T13:53:27.554+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: If syariah punishment is so benign why increase the flogging?KTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-7011048420506279802016-10-16T17:34:07.656+08:002016-10-16T17:34:07.656+08:001. i have yet to see any muslims taking ablution a...1. i have yet to see any muslims taking ablution after consuming the meat not even the salafis or wahabbis. (considering that's the teaching of the companions - was it from abu hurairah? - tak perlu jawapan).<br />2. is your syiah friend saying that allah had ommitted to include camel meat as prohibited food, only the prophet did so? - juga tak perlu jawapan). cheers!kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-81953205080730444752016-10-16T16:54:02.814+08:002016-10-16T16:54:02.814+08:00my shia friend did not say the Prophet (pbuh) ate ...my shia friend did not say the Prophet (pbuh) ate camel meat; he only said shias followed the prophet's instructions on camel being haram<br /><br />similarly the tale about the Prophet (pbuh) performing wudoo after eating camel meat came actually from the Companions, which was why I penned "the performing of wudoo was instructed by the Companions, who mentioned the Prophet (pbuh) did so."<br /><br />so it had been the Companion who said so, about camel meat being halal, and to perform wudoo after eating it. Thus I reckon the hadith on camel meat being halal most likely came from the Companions or one of themKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-26725070801756378032016-10-16T15:50:10.414+08:002016-10-16T15:50:10.414+08:00there are ahadith and there are ahadith.
earlier ...there are ahadith and there are ahadith.<br /><br />earlier you said the syiah friend of yours told you that they follow the prophet's teachings (meaning he (saw) did not eat camel meat), but now you ask why the prophet performed wudoo. so, pls ask your syiah friend whether nabi makan atau tidak makan daging unta? kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-80412954809062441962016-10-16T15:31:11.765+08:002016-10-16T15:31:11.765+08:00then why did the Prophet )(pbuh) perform wudoo (ab...then why did the Prophet )(pbuh) perform wudoo (ablution) after eating only camel meat but not other meat (of course not pork)<br /><br />the performing of wudoo was instructed by the Companions, who mentioned the Prophet (*pbuh) did so. thus the shia story may have a truth in it that the halalness of camel came from the Companions, who were nto recognized by shias<br /><br />in fact the Prophet (pbuh) said the camels were born from devilsKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-19514953454342300712016-10-16T15:09:52.797+08:002016-10-16T15:09:52.797+08:00yes, those are mentioned in the torah but not in a...yes, those are mentioned in the torah but not in alquran wrt camels. are you implying that syiahs are closet jews? if they (syiahs) simply say that they choose to not eat camel meat, that's ok. kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-16379760684579448062016-10-16T14:51:08.373+08:002016-10-16T14:51:08.373+08:00jews who don't eat pork also don't eat cam...jews who don't eat pork also don't eat camels because of the split cloven hoovesKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-2972797270266965942016-10-16T14:24:52.414+08:002016-10-16T14:24:52.414+08:00both syia & sunni read the same book in which ...both syia & sunni read the same book in which it only prohibits swine flesh, dead meat, blood....but not camel. so, syia who claims to be the prophet's descendant are doing in justice to their ancestor(saw). mereka haramkan yg halal.kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-40739537367577673192016-10-16T13:53:26.621+08:002016-10-16T13:53:26.621+08:00shia consider camel as haram but unnis don't; ...shia consider camel as haram but unnis don't; I asked a shia friend about the difference. he told me the sunnis eat camel because they follow the teachings of the companions of the prophet, while shia follow the teachings of the Prophet pbuh. Therefore it might have been one or more of the Prophet's Companions (but not the Prophet pbuh himself) who said okay to camel meatKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-22152745459054136142016-10-16T13:17:58.328+08:002016-10-16T13:17:58.328+08:00betul ka daging unta haram?betul ka daging unta haram?kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-78428497391754978942016-10-16T10:42:36.694+08:002016-10-16T10:42:36.694+08:00Wakakaka ...... my verdict Ktemoc 1 Hasan 0. No an...Wakakaka ...... my verdict Ktemoc 1 Hasan 0. No answer to the question so resort to being offensive and then the ultimate weapon, you insult my religion. wakakaka .........Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05897849745222330597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-88422533564048374842016-10-16T10:13:46.383+08:002016-10-16T10:13:46.383+08:00don't forget Islam was revealed to the Arabic ...don't forget Islam was revealed to the Arabic (principally desert) people at a time in the medieval period hence its practices originated from that time and largely influenced by the desert and war.<br /><br />do you think Allah swt intend for muslims to live in that dark age or to progress with time and with different environment?<br /><br />whatever the will of Allah swt was and is, it has been blasphemously hijacked by ulamas, who saw hudud as a great frightening tool to intimidate muslims into obedience.<br /><br />ask yourself why would Allah swt want thieves to have their hands chopped off in modern times? it may be expeditious in medieval time or during a war in those times, or in Arabic desert culture, to make those shameful felons eat with their LEFT hands, but today amputation by syariah laws is no longer necessary because human beings including muslims have progressed beyond expeditious measures<br /><br />but the ulamas won't have it - besides some ulamas in a distant time decided to close the door to amending or updating islamic laws with the lousy excuse those laws were then perfect (except for allowing eating of camels even though the creature is haram according to Quranic specifications)KTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-53527265072690153802016-10-16T07:47:36.801+08:002016-10-16T07:47:36.801+08:00KT is an Atheist; for him “Allah” does not exist, ...KT is an Atheist; for him “Allah” does not exist, therefore to him there is no “Word of Allah”, and so, there is no Qur'an. Please remember that!<br /><br />Hence, verses 43:2-4, that the Qur'an is the 'mother of books' and the fact that it is an exact replica of the 'eternal tablets' which exists in heaven is of zilch significance to him.<br /><br />In addition, KT is of the opinion that human beings created the volumes of hadiths via a corrupt process which can easily be manipulated according to the whims and agendas of the orators, much like a child’s game of 'Chinese Whispers'. Wakakaka.<br /><br />Not only KT doesn't believe in the Qur'an and hadith, but he also sees that Islam created the Qur'an instead of the Qur'an creating Islam. Wakakaka.<br /><br />KT also presupposes that Islam in the early 7th century is a religion of Arabic traditions and cultures which was formulated in a backward dysfunctional nomadic environment. Its laws encapsulate all the worst excesses of the Bronze Age desert tribes of the time. <br /><br />With the above backdrop KT's reaction to hudud is to ask the questions 'cui bono' and/or 'cui prodest'? To him of course lah.. the answer is Pak Haji Hadi and PAS and the imperialism of Islam and their explicit goal of making the nons to give in and kowtowing to them. Hence,this explains KT's angle of consistent attack on hudud and Hadi - as I see it?hasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05663082048545287345noreply@blogger.com