tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post1393972999064013638..comments2024-03-29T21:49:05.495+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: Tacky wedding, timid GerakanKTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger95125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-54633707804901768652012-11-03T11:43:05.830+08:002012-11-03T11:43:05.830+08:00Ellese, agree that US SPJ is the ideals that all m...Ellese, agree that US SPJ is the ideals that all media personnel should adhere to.<br /><br />That includes not only journalists, but their editors, censors, owners etc.<br /><br />What can we do in Malaysia wher the media is highly polarised ?<br /><br />Sometimes we got to read both sides to get a complete picture.<br /><br />For example, do you know that law minister Mohd Nazri Abdul Aziz used the F-word in a press conference in Parliament over his son's use of the Hummer? I read a cop of the Mkini transcript here : (scroll down) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beritamalaysia/message/123600Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-32728747043123869192012-11-03T10:01:58.080+08:002012-11-03T10:01:58.080+08:00Utusan and TMI are the same. Its that they are at ...Utusan and TMI are the same. Its that they are at the extreme end. Why not we take through. We can go through the currently hot issue on political financing. But we need a standard. And on this we use the US SPJ ethical standards. Amacam? You read it and I will highlight the rules on distortions and lies (untruth). Ellese Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13791900100205630825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-1340429540607215092012-11-02T18:44:18.933+08:002012-11-02T18:44:18.933+08:00Ellese (10:31 PM, October 10, 2012) said ".....Ellese (10:31 PM, October 10, 2012) said ".... TMI and utusan is of the same level. Both are rubbish. I think Star is probably the most reliable among msm and Am..."<br /><br />No, I think Utusan is far far worse, practising gutter journalism blatantly, and and now lawsuits pending.<br /><br />About the Star, Helen Ang (KT's sweetie) said that it actualy the DAP's Rocket in disguise! http://helenang.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/senior-citizen-bullied-but-the-star-badmouths-victim-instead/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-34909007761148200512012-10-11T09:10:55.249+08:002012-10-11T09:10:55.249+08:00many well known western media outlets are bias if ...many well known western media outlets are bias if we subscribe to the view of non global mainstream outlets like al jazeera and china global times. however what make the noticeable difference is most western countries government dont have control over what is being reported and who did the reporting, and this freedom allow their media outlets to become a relatively objective and reputable media. in fact i think we all know the answer and solution. HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-83712611791721193182012-10-11T00:32:47.658+08:002012-10-11T00:32:47.658+08:00Woah....war between Ellese and Monsterbaby oredy ?...Woah....war between Ellese and Monsterbaby oredy ?<br /><br />Here's my first take..... so far, what Ellese said so far about fair and balanced media reporting sounds reasonable, although it is of course doubtful we will see anything of that sort anytime soon in this good old malaysia, hehe, not even Star, far from it....its ommission of certain news, its telling of only part of the news is just as telling. And let's not even go to Utusan...that so-called news media is only good for barfing....that awang selamat langsung tak selamat untuk negara kita ! hehe<br /><br />Monsterbaby gave some pretty good comments ocassionally here....so please don't spoil it by giving craps ( yes, craps !) like bringing in stupid issue like 'newbie' commentators....as though just coz someone who decided to comment here at a later date has a less valid reason to voice their opinions or pass judgement.<br /><br />So that's my first take, hehe. Continue on your wrangling guys, then i could weigh later with my second take :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-20002444372711781432012-10-10T23:06:49.282+08:002012-10-10T23:06:49.282+08:00Monsterbaby,
Cut the chase man. Someone here comm...Monsterbaby,<br /><br />Cut the chase man. Someone here commented derogatorily Ive been banned by din. I told them I defend my repute and explained why din unjustifiably banned me explaining the facts and surrounding circumstances. Ive recorded this in writing. Then one fine sunday suddenly this one monsterbaby totally disregarded the facts and started defending din to the hilt. I recap back what transpired and he now complaining im patronizing him while saying hes a long time senior commentator and Im a newbie.<br /><br />Cut the crap. We go back to the issue. You purposely responded and retorted my write. I explained my arguments and find you skirting the issue. Similarly with Din. You could easily have said hes wrong in my case but think hes blog is fine. But no. You want to show hes a good blogger because he supports PR. Huh?? Crap. Now trying to lead an argument its fine to ban me. This goes against the whole premise of my write.<br /><br />Check yourself. You come with moral high ground against corruption etc. If you want that defend your position. Otherwise just say your piece and dont argue Im a newbie and youre a senior. And since youre a senior you need to be protected just like Din's crony ke? Man Ive seen this too many times. You see the above comments. Some commented against me purely without basis tau? Some with name calling like you calling me refugee. And you dont even complain or have qualm about this. Come on. Dont patronise me. Do remember the first reply by you to me above was an uncalled condescending name calling. Ellese Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13791900100205630825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-39043729740763654972012-10-10T22:31:59.569+08:002012-10-10T22:31:59.569+08:00On media let me state my stand. TMI and utusan is ...On media let me state my stand. TMI and utusan is of the same level. Both are rubbish. I think Star is probably the most reliable among msm and Am. Mkini I dont subscribe to but with what I have read I position it between star and Utusan/ TMI. Of course a better reliability would be the business papers. Ive not included all such as sinar etc. Nor the chinese/ tamil papers.<br /><br />My stand on media is that we as a Nation need an objective, fair. accurate and balance media. Our media right now are too left or right that we cant get any common ground. Everything must be decided by politics. We need to move beyond this.<br /><br />The standards of reporting can be seen everyday from western based reputable papers like NYT, British broadsheets etc. They can be biased or leans to a position but all maintain certain standard of reporting. This standard can be found eg at US SPJ website.<br /><br />Our MSM and AM mixed facts and opinions. Report half truth. Skew the views. Distort news. All these are rubbish. Then we get many unthinking readers who cant differentiate between the facts and falsity. For everyone's comparison, just look at the standards of western reporting and what our msm and am are doing:<br />The journalists are to:<br />— Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.<br />— Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.<br />— Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources' reliability.<br />— Make certain that headlines, news teases, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.<br />— Never distort the content of news photos or video. — Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.<br /><br />These are some of them. If want more you can go to the website. Then compare MSM and AM. Rubbish isn't it? Next time you red any report apply the standards and see how they con us.Ellesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-58097530858891921932012-10-10T22:21:43.842+08:002012-10-10T22:21:43.842+08:00The problem with Ellese is she comes here to pass ...The problem with Ellese is she comes here to pass judgements on other commentators. <br />She comes here to pick quarrels with other commentators.<br /><br />I come here to express my opinions, sometimes cross swords with <i> other commentators <b>ideas</b></i>. <br />I'm a nobody here, you are a nobody here. <br />I make judgements on ideas. I don't care to make judgements on people here, unless they start getting nasty, which your already are borderline - and its just your 2nd day here.Monsterbabynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-3023389641151648622012-10-10T22:04:35.010+08:002012-10-10T22:04:35.010+08:00Ellese,
You are a nobody.
On top of being a nothin...Ellese,<br />You are a nobody.<br />On top of being a nothing newbie here.<br />Don't think you can patronise me.<br /><br />I'm getting a good idea why Din Merican and even the very tolerant Dr. Raffick banned you.Monsterbabynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-87700222017758005552012-10-10T21:51:53.591+08:002012-10-10T21:51:53.591+08:00Monsterbaby
Youre really a funny person. Its not ...Monsterbaby<br /><br />Youre really a funny person. Its not about the blogs ke atau news media ke. Nor is it about legal culpability or legal consequence.<br /><br />Its about a person who condemns ours media for not publishing his views complaining he has a right to free speech and expression and then at the same time censor and not publish views which are contrarian to his. Apa jadah punya manusia macam ni? Thats bahasa pasar. In internet lingo its widely interpreted as WTF man? <br /><br />Din censored my comments for giving contrarian view. He deleted my response to his crony but allowed the crony to continue to comment against me without giving me a right of reply. He want to leave a bad impression on me on his blog.<br /><br />From the above, apart from being a hypocrite and a non believer in freedom of speech and expression, he practiced cronyism and selective unfair summary "persecution". Why the heck youre supporting this buffoon. Unless of course you believe in cronysim, unfair and selective "persecution", hypocrisy and repression of freedom of speech. If thats what you are its fine but dont write in the future anything about this becoz I remember. As it is I already formed a judgement that you dont believe in corruption. To you if bn use public fund for personal or political reason its abuse of power and corruption. But if PR does this like the examples I gave above you're okay with it (since you skirted the issue).<br /><br />So I'm already forming an opinion that youre like DIn. Probably one or more writes by you you will prove me right. I do hope youre better than this. Move on. Be principled; unless of course youre a politician in which case you should be showered with vituperations. Ellesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-42020011112242532862012-10-10T20:31:37.650+08:002012-10-10T20:31:37.650+08:00Ellese (6.30am) said...
"... We have no choi... Ellese (6.30am) said...<br /><br />"... We have no choice. All our politicians are rubbish..."<br /><br />Ellese, I think you meant that there are rubbish in both BN & PR (but not all are rubbish). There are some ok ones on either side.<br /><br />However, what can we citizens do? We can wait forever for perfection on both sides, and so far are there viable alternatives (3rd parties)?<br /><br />We still need each to check & balance the other. An imperfect solution in an imperfect world, knowing the stuff politicians are made of.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-27827288534197126162012-10-10T19:07:21.361+08:002012-10-10T19:07:21.361+08:00""That is why I read only certain blogs ...""That is why I read only certain blogs and MSM..."<br /><br />That is WHY buttercup could not see the difference between a state CM accepting sponsorships for his own personal event and those of a performing artist accepting sponsorships. <br /><br />Enuf said. <br /><br />[Shudder....there are miliions and millions of malaysians having these sort of thinking and attitude, 'educated' as they were ]<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-7724070697371828692012-10-10T17:48:00.596+08:002012-10-10T17:48:00.596+08:00"That is why I read only certain blogs and MS..."That is why I read only certain blogs and MSM..."<br /><br />Good on you ! Congratulations !<br />Hahahaha...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-68975673090819135822012-10-10T15:07:45.257+08:002012-10-10T15:07:45.257+08:00Buttercup said... "...Give me MSM anytime. Th... Buttercup said... "...Give me MSM anytime. They get news straight from the source. They don't spin second-hand stories. ... That is why I read only certain blogs and MSM..."<br /><br />For fair reporting it is not enough just to get news straight without spinning etc. A newspaper can report certain facts and omit unpleasant facts to give a different impression of the event being reported.<br /><br />For example, in the recent court apology from Utusan & Chamil Wariya to Teresa Kok, Chamil delivered also a damning indictment of Utusan's unprofessionalism in altering the short story , accusing Utusan of mala fide etc.<br /><br />If you read NST, you won't get to see this part of the apology. Of course, don't expect Utusan to report fairly all the facts at all.<br /><br />When it comes to blogs, would you trust the one that accused LGE's son of sexual harassment and printed a chess champion's picture as the 'victim'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-45872158338224258932012-10-10T12:34:55.844+08:002012-10-10T12:34:55.844+08:00"Din and other cyber news like Mkini, MToday ..."Din and other cyber news like Mkini, MToday etc picked up the MSM and spin the stories to tailor to the opposition slant."<br /><br />this is y we dun label them mainstream, our(reader) expectation is difference, tmi, mt mkini never claim they r objective n we never expect them to be. dont conflate. <br />HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-18496979733728152042012-10-10T10:38:25.669+08:002012-10-10T10:38:25.669+08:00Monsterbaby
I beg to differ. Din Merican sucks.
...Monsterbaby<br /><br />I beg to differ. Din Merican sucks. <br />He deletes comments not pleasing to his and his suckers ears.<br />And he is proclaiming he's a liberal tolerant and democratic blogger. Sic.<br />Why delete the comments but permit the comments condemning the deleted commentators.<br />This is the problem with most Pakatan bloggers including Sakmongkol.<br />There they go condemning MSM as BN lapdogs.<br />At least MSM do publish Pakatan stories with some censorship.<br />Give me MSM anytime. They get news straight from the source.<br />They don't spin second-hand stories. Din and other cyber news like Mkini, MToday etc picked up the MSM and spin the stories to tailor to the opposition slant.<br />That is why I read only certain blogs and MSM.<br />Din cant write except to print Terence Netto's writing which are full of verbosity and naught else.Buttercupnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-5432789654744697882012-10-10T09:50:54.549+08:002012-10-10T09:50:54.549+08:00Ellese 6.36am
Agree with your comments on Ali'...Ellese 6.36am<br /><br />Agree with your comments on Ali's alleged abuse of state resources. <br /><br />To be fair, perhaps those depts named should come out and explain or deny their role : PKNM chief executive officer Yusof Jantan, <br />Works Department, Syarikat Air Melaka Bhd , the Development and Coordination Committee of the State Legislative Assembly , state National Cultural and Department... etc?<br /><br />So far I don't think any of them have denied or defended their actions.<br /><br /><br />Anon 8.05noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-68207157385563736962012-10-10T09:50:07.168+08:002012-10-10T09:50:07.168+08:00monsterbaby, what u did in your blog do reflect yo...monsterbaby, what u did in your blog do reflect your values and what you truly believe in. i think that is what ellese trying to tell.HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-4736907018561022482012-10-10T09:21:45.215+08:002012-10-10T09:21:45.215+08:00A blog is short form for a Weblog. It is a persona...A blog is short form for a Weblog. It is a personal space. The Weblog author owns that personal space.<br />95% of all blogs in Blogger and Wordpress have nothing to do with politics. <br /><br />The technology allows comment feedback, but a blog is not, repeat not public media. <br />The web owner has a right to be open minded, less-than-open, or closed minded. Some blog owners don't even allow comments. <br />That's their right.<br /><br />Its is nonsensical to equate a Blog owner's moderation policy (or lack of) to accountability of news media. <br /><br />News media are publications , paid or unpaid, which claim to provide news and journalism to a mass public. NST, Star, TV3, Malaysiakini, Malaysian Insider are news media. <br />Din Merican's blog, and Ktemoc's blog are not news media, even if they talk about issues in the news.<br />My brother has a fairly popular blog, where he writes about tech gizmos, cars and sometimes, politics. He moderates his comments area. Its definitely not news media.<br /><br />A series of US court cases have upheld that Blogs are Not news media, and have the status of private publications - its a double edged sword because US laws provide both protection and restrictions to news media.<br /><br />I'm perfectly comfortable continuing to exercise my right to criticise News media, especially restrictions on their reporting and biased reporting, and at the same time maintaining my high regard for Din Merican's blog and his right to moderate comments on his blog. <br />The same with Ktemoc's blog.Monsterbabynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-27591973128263723442012-10-10T08:42:57.598+08:002012-10-10T08:42:57.598+08:00there is no absolute fos hence i dont equal censor...there is no absolute fos hence i dont equal censor n delete comment to not uphold freedom of expression, for instance i think rafick is fair in his approach, he delete and ban both that engage in flame war to evade any unnecessary disruption to other readers who wish to read something more meaningful. what annoy me is when the host delete n ban one and let the other to continue when both debate in more or less the same manner, or delete comment that disagree (not the senseless type) with the host. <br /><br />i think most commeters in din blog is commendable especially bean save the host. another host that shd deserve the same 'praise' is the evolved petra.HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-63878433962946548032012-10-10T07:47:20.881+08:002012-10-10T07:47:20.881+08:00Anon 1.01
Can you write this din story on my blog...Anon 1.01<br /><br />Can you write this din story on my blog at hakbersuara.wordpress.com. Let the world know who din is. Let it be recorded.<br /><br />ellesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-23850444446093259612012-10-10T07:40:50.612+08:002012-10-10T07:40:50.612+08:00And to the anons who make senseless remarks agains...And to the anons who make senseless remarks against me, go fly kite. ellesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-21727324272233085512012-10-10T06:41:27.508+08:002012-10-10T06:41:27.508+08:00To those who are supporting din merican,
Please n...To those who are supporting din merican,<br /><br />Please note din is a person who proclaims to believe in freedom of expression and free media but censors contrarian views and deny others the right of reply.<br /><br />This is utter hypocrite.<br /><br />Anybody who supports this have no right to claim and condemn any media whatsoever. And monsterbaby we all note your stand.Ellesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-22501053788393052702012-10-10T06:36:44.428+08:002012-10-10T06:36:44.428+08:00Anon 8.05
Thank you for your reference. I have fo...Anon 8.05<br /><br />Thank you for your reference. I have followed your reference and was able to click on mkini report but not the other reference. Normally I dont rely on one source to verify authenticity. Mkini purports to have the mimutes but for reason best known to them it was not published in full and shown partly. I have never taken any of our media (MSM and AM) including mkini and tmi as fair balance and accurate. However in this case unless proven otherwise I will take the letter as authentic for the time being. Based on this alone prima facie the state is funding the event. Ali is wrong in this case for the abuse. Full stop.<br /><br />However, we should not stop. We must make him accountable for the event. there are reported 130000 people and if the food cost for one is 10rm its already 1.3 million. In this regard, Pr is correct to request for accountabilty though LKS seems outlandish:<br /><br />"Pakatan Rakyat (PR) lawmakers have questioned how the wedding was funded, and the revelation of sponsors will spark more questions about the appropriateness of accepting money from businesses to pay for the wedding.<br /><br />PR lawmakers said that even at RM10 a head, the wedding banquet would cost RM1.3 million for food and beverages alone, far more than the long-serving chief minister’s salary.<br /><br />DAP parliamentary leader Lim Kit Siang used his Twitter account to speculate further on the cost of the wedding, saying the banquet appeared to cost RM100 a person or potentially RM13 million just for the food."<br /><br />Ali must account for this too. <br /><br />We must make our politicians account for their money irrespective of bn or pr.<br />ellesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-11883052432323189282012-10-10T06:30:01.852+08:002012-10-10T06:30:01.852+08:00dear Anon 12.20:
We have no choice. All our polit...dear Anon 12.20:<br /><br />We have no choice. All our politicians are rubbish. And the way PR is pushing does not give much hope otherwise. It should not push for hate politics but focus what they can bring. The reason this cannot be done by them is simply I think we have structural problems. We have problems at the root of political structruing and internal elections.<br /><br />The incentives and disincentives makes PR play the same game. Please note its not only pkr but the rest as well. Let me take an instance on the most revered person in PR. Nik Aziz himself has no issue and qualm to accept an expensive haj package (can be worth of up to 100k per person) for his family given by state concessionaires. What does it tell us. We are screwed. <br /><br />This is the most difficult area to reform. Both BN and PR are reluctant on this. Ive written like this for quite a while but as you will see most are interested only attacking the opposite party and can accept if their supported parties does it.<br /><br /><br /><br />Ellesenoreply@blogger.com