tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post1378797689409624832..comments2024-03-28T21:13:41.450+08:00Comments on KTemoc Konsiders ........: 3 Revelations on 'Keling'KTemochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-2136480116416264822013-10-07T20:18:58.941+08:002013-10-07T20:18:58.941+08:00Well, Malaysian Kaliningans, help Manas if you can...Well, Malaysian Kaliningans, help Manas if you can. ThanksKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-64058414966325536472013-10-06T22:20:47.812+08:002013-10-06T22:20:47.812+08:00Hiii, this is Manas Mallick from real Kalinga( mod...Hiii, this is Manas Mallick from real Kalinga( modern day Odisha, India) I want to know more about Kalingans residing there. I write articles on historical matters especially on rich maritime history of Kalinga. Pls write to me more facts about Kelingans in MALAY and INDONESIA.regards , your brother ....my mail id- manasmallick07@gmail.com.Manas Mallicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-46290205181360749622013-04-10T18:12:11.717+08:002013-04-10T18:12:11.717+08:00there is a marked difference between negro and kel...there is a marked difference between negro and keling. The former, as mentioned, is the Romance language for 'black' whereas the latter, keling' means a person from the Kalinga nation. One is a colour to denote person of a certain skin hue, the other is about their national origin.<br /><br />Negro is certainly derogatory even in its earliest use, but keling possesses a proud pedigreeKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-31393363819043023442013-04-10T17:16:30.400+08:002013-04-10T17:16:30.400+08:00Exactly. The word "negro" itself comes f...Exactly. The word "negro" itself comes from the word for black in Iberian languages. In itself, it has no inherent derogatory meaning.<br /><br />But over history, its usage has given it a negative meaning.<br /><br />The word "keling" has this unfortunate history just as well and this is just a normal process of evolution in languages.<br /><br />What matters is whether the community it describes finds it acceptable or not. In this case it doesn't and out of respect, none of us should use it.osternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-83510510060687998112013-04-10T00:53:22.854+08:002013-04-10T00:53:22.854+08:00"I opine the Kulim Wonder was railing more ag..."I opine the Kulim Wonder was railing more against the Hindu Holy Book more than Indians per se. Well, f* him for that rather than the keling word."<br /><br />Well, I also want to say, f* him for that. <br />Thank you very much<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-84940124300157851952013-04-09T22:05:36.003+08:002013-04-09T22:05:36.003+08:00malacca people? java people, sumatera people? hist...malacca people? java people, sumatera people? historically chinese do not identify people by race or ethnic, this is totally a foreign concept. the history of ming mentioned malacca (满剌加). <br /><br />wrt ming, i notice there r many factual error in one recent syed akbar ali writing:<br /><br />"Other people also made this same mistake. In the 15th century China was the richest and most modern civilisation known to mankind until that time. Then the Ming Emperor Zhu Di also known as the Yongle Emperor issued an edict (a fatwa) that Chinese should not sail the seven seas anymore. His mandarins (the ostat classes) said China should have nothing to do with the barbarians who lived outside China. China had everything it needed and they need not interact with outsiders anymore. The Ming Emperors had written their laws in stone."<br /><br />two of zhenghe final voyage were done after yongle pass away, ming stop sailing because of financial constraint. HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-36159872713963774502013-04-09T17:33:33.270+08:002013-04-09T17:33:33.270+08:00why don't u tell me, wakakakawhy don't u tell me, wakakakaKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-4081411336159512282013-04-09T17:31:17.896+08:002013-04-09T17:31:17.896+08:00ha ha, tqvm, so, non-huanaas still want to questio...ha ha, tqvm, so, non-huanaas still want to question the status of huanaas? (am not talking abt the fucked-up implementation of nep, malay rights and the weird definition of malay in the constitution - they are separate issues) what did the chinese merchants, travelers, emperors call the inhibitants of malaya, java, sumatera, borneo & even philippines? am sure it wasn't huanaa. kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-16237107905016820812013-04-09T13:46:00.192+08:002013-04-09T13:46:00.192+08:00Native as in indigenousNative as in indigenousKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-59420150107265272062013-04-09T13:33:22.130+08:002013-04-09T13:33:22.130+08:00what does Huanaa really mean? is it red indian? what does Huanaa really mean? is it red indian? kampong ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105388122398462146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-87826875498148257882013-04-09T09:02:55.033+08:002013-04-09T09:02:55.033+08:00the use of the word 'kia' (or more correct...the use of the word 'kia' (or more correctly pronounced as 'knia' with a slight nasal sound) seems to indicate the shopkeeper was probably Teochew. Teochews use this suffix to indicate the race of a person, as in T'ng Laang knia (Chinese), Huanaa knia (Malay), Jitpun knia (Japanese), Ar Mor knia (Mat Salleh), Siam knia (Thai) etcKTemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951253039042572381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-76284090443588652472013-04-09T08:54:55.885+08:002013-04-09T08:54:55.885+08:00Once an Indian friend was very furious when the sh...Once an Indian friend was very furious when the shopkeeper saw him and said to the colleagues " Keling kia lai liew ". He vowed he would never visit that shop again.<br />To me is really no big deal for an Indian to be called so. Its just like somebody calls me Chinaman and frankly I won't mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-13745017454631709522013-04-09T08:44:09.563+08:002013-04-09T08:44:09.563+08:00Spot on . You can bet RT will even sell his daught...Spot on . You can bet RT will even sell his daughter , wife , mother and grandma if the price is right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-8900484891018145212013-04-09T06:25:47.447+08:002013-04-09T06:25:47.447+08:00Just look at history, Chinese History if you want,...Just look at history, Chinese History if you want, are people like that Ustaz Ang WS, RT, or even Kulim Wonder chance occurrence? Some people can even sell their souls to get what they want!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-9668590887489775322013-04-08T21:51:43.976+08:002013-04-08T21:51:43.976+08:00Only DKRs have the habit of using this term.Only DKRs have the habit of using this term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-54665603657237804772013-04-08T20:12:50.927+08:002013-04-08T20:12:50.927+08:00As like now he says..." kita orang melayu ni....As like now he says..." kita orang melayu ni...." wa ka ka ka !<br /><br />Just like our Dr M when he first entered into politics....dropping his A/L from his IC name and started almost every sentence with...you guess it...."kita orang melayu ni.." No more condescending look-down-his-nose at what he claimed were the "inbreeding malays" responsible for their lack of intelligence and motivation....although he never stops berating them for not being grateful enough, as though all the monies come from his own pocket to uplift the malay bumiputras.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-23512048339809015612013-04-08T17:18:38.047+08:002013-04-08T17:18:38.047+08:00HY, it is just that the supreme arrogance of the d...HY, it is just that the supreme arrogance of the dissenting few can tarnish the image of many who are not racists and who wants to leave in peace and harmony. We will leave it there ok. Nope HY.. I would not embrace benevolent autocracy because it would only reduce me to be a passive and an obedient citizen. I am looking for a purified democracy. Someone said to me... you can go on dreaming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-92142065728797003842013-04-08T16:55:20.420+08:002013-04-08T16:55:20.420+08:00...and the scumbag whenever he speaks will say, &q......and the scumbag whenever he speaks will say, "...we Japanese..."KKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-53916092123603089502013-04-08T15:26:38.174+08:002013-04-08T15:26:38.174+08:00bro, i actually share the same view, however i thi...bro, i actually share the same view, however i think it is up to one who subject to the remark to tell whether is offensive or no. do read hisham post on 'the failure of democracy', some may argue that benevolent autocracy is much better, the claim might be correct but do you want to live under one if given choice? that is why i prefer not to comment much on issue like interlok and nama tuhan. one never feel the pain unless it happen to him/her. <br /><br />HuaYongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-61237894481512237602013-04-08T15:24:52.684+08:002013-04-08T15:24:52.684+08:00Anon 10.09 am, you are right on target with your a...Anon 10.09 am, you are right on target with your analysis. Those creatures that evolved and then clambered out of the gutter will do anything and debase themselves without limit to ensure their survival and hang onto their undeserved privileges.sammnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-25271791628554312522013-04-08T12:52:55.647+08:002013-04-08T12:52:55.647+08:00The popular meaning and usage of words can change ...The popular meaning and usage of words can change in a surprisingly short period of time. <br />I learnt my English in the 1970's and 80's , mostly reading from books published up to the 1970's. "Negro" was a neutral , acceptable descriptive word for an American of African origins. <br />By the time I was a student in the US in the early 1990's, I found out it was considered impolite to call a Black American "Negro" <br />The origin of this change was the way racist Whites, especially in the Deep South, referred to them as "Niggers", a mutated form of the normal word "Negro".<br />There's something similar at work here on the word "Keling".Kelingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-3104022507944593212013-04-08T12:23:04.376+08:002013-04-08T12:23:04.376+08:00HY... I don't think that word is offensive ...HY... I don't think that word is offensive 'atau menghina'<br />but from the video, the tone is strong enough for my ears and I would be offended if I am a K... because it is really hurts. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-59986870202579463692013-04-08T10:09:54.622+08:002013-04-08T10:09:54.622+08:00R Tee A is just a despicable opportunist. If Japan...R Tee A is just a despicable opportunist. If Japan were to invade and occupy Malaysia like what it did during WW2 , I bet the lowlife will immediately discard his baju Melayu,songkok and donning kimono ;denying he was a Muslim but a follower of Shinto !<br />He will transform instantly to be a Japanese then act "more japanese" than the Japanese.<br /><br />You can bet he will pledge his loyalty and devotion to the Japanese Emperor and army and does what a traitor is supposed to do.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-24613495564480701922013-04-08T09:56:17.249+08:002013-04-08T09:56:17.249+08:00There are many Malays (Constitutional Malays "...There are many Malays (Constitutional Malays "grin") who have the word "Keling" or "Kling" in their name, or their forebears name. <br /><br />It WAS not a derogatory word, just descriptive, that's all.<br />Similarly, the Penang Hokkien word Kelinga is just a noun, not derogatory.<br /><br />Kalinga, just one state in India, had at one time an empire so powerful , a Kalingan become synonymous with "South Indian".<br /><br />Yes, I'm a half "Keling".....wakakakakaka...Kelingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11109306.post-5157799964021765082013-04-08T09:36:53.514+08:002013-04-08T09:36:53.514+08:00thanks for educating.
not only penang, fact is i ...thanks for educating.<br /><br />not only penang, fact is i use the term since young, even today among many friends, however society tend to be more politically correct with progress and education, we would use less perceived offensive term unless we are talking history or literature, i am not too sure if our politician and writing are expressing the same thing, in most cases we are not.HuaYongnoreply@blogger.com